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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: prono on September 25, 2011, 10:54:36 AM
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Hello
I was digging the forum to find more info about dueling bracket I just sign up and I've found old thread about H2H Ladder.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,321.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,321.0.html)
I was playing in a ladder like this during Warbirds time and it was great fun.
There are free online ladder sites now so we can start our without coding new web page ( like they tried in 2000).
Example
http://clanbase.ggl.com/rating.php?lid=12101 (http://clanbase.ggl.com/rating.php?lid=12101)
What do you all think?
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prono,
Saurkrat ( <-- spellin ),
ran an Aces High Dueling H2H Ladder for several years that was quiet successful here in Aces High
back in AH1 and during AH2, till eventually he had real life step up and get in his way, if I recall correctly
he also had a 2 vs 2 Ladder as well
with its own website and score tallying system, similar to what you have linked to above
TW9 was trying to get it going again a few years back, but I think Iraq came calling his name ( I may be wrong about the player and the fighting zone, just going off of memory here )
this was not an aces high ( HTC ) sanctioned event, it was done voluntarily by Saurkraut back then.......
if you want to do something like this try and see how many are interested in it, and if enough are ....... go for it, set one up....
hope this helps
TC
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,320054.0.html
isnt this what you are talking about....sign ups are still going on :aok
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,320054.0.html
isnt this what you are talking about....sign ups are still going on :aok
no sir, Ink
he is refering to a straight up dueling ladder like Hangtime, or Exile, or Sourkraut had running
where you could for example challenge the person that was ranked 2 positions above you or vice versa........ it is an on going ladder that runs continously
I have participated in several, back in Air Warrior, here in Aces High, etc.....
Sirloin, Shane, Steve, Sniper, Bustr, Lazer.............. oh heck numerous AH players participated in these........
Hangtime ran one back on WB and Exile & an AK ( can't remember his call sign ) ran the first one here back in 2000 or 2001........ NathBDP might of even helped run it with Exile
anyways the old Aces High Dueling Ladder Forum no longer exists....... but one might could do a search for sourkraut or for his postings
hope this helps
TC
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ahhh....that would be cool I would partake in something along these lines.
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ahhh....that would be cool I would partake in something along these lines.
+1 I would definitely want into it too.
The dueling bracket that Bald puts so much effort into is cool, but for guys like me it only amounts to 1 duel every few months. I would love an organized event that would let me get as much stick time vs better pilots as possible.
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+1 I would definitely want into it too.
The dueling bracket that Bald puts so much effort into is cool, but for guys like me it only amounts to 1 duel every few months. I would love an organized event that would let me get as much stick time vs better pilots as possible.
I agree....you got me thinking....this whole thread has...actually :headscratch:
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I like it someone make a private forum
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So... plz help me out with this, if im wrong. Not sure about theese phrases.
It would be something like the professional boxing or chess: the lower ranked one calls the highly ranked one for a duel match, and if the lower ranked one wins, he takes the others rank and became able to call out the next one? Or, just like the tennis or the snooker, about points gained?
Thanks,
Debrody
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Debrody, say your on the bottom of the ladder. You can challenge as far as three places above you. If you win you take their spot and I assume they go down just once.
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So... plz help me out with this, if im wrong. Not sure about theese phrases.
It would be something like the professional boxing or chess: the lower ranked one calls the highly ranked one for a duel match, and if the lower ranked one wins, he takes the others rank and became able to call out the next one?
Yes ladder uses chess like rating system.
You gain more points winning with higher ranked opponents but they gain little winning with you. :rolleyes:
Winning helps you climb the ladder but unless he is one place above you very unlikely place swap.
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im reading up on it.....thinking about starting one....something I always wanted to be a part of......
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Thanks for the help, sounds interesting.
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Sounds interesting, how do you handle plane types? I'd like it just so there was a formal way of asking for 1v1.
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Sounds interesting, how do you handle plane types? I'd like it just so there was a formal way of asking for 1v1.
I am guessing the challenger picks first plane loser picks next plane.......should be best of 5, for below top ten, at the top ten level best of 7....
I have been going over some rules and what not....would think they will be very similar to BE dueling turny or any duel in the DA :headscratch:
with different specific rules for the ladder progress
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I am guessing the challenger picks first plane loser picks next plane.......should be best of 5, for below top ten, at the top ten level best of 7....
I have been going over some rules and what not....would think they will be very similar to BE dueling turny or any duel in the DA :headscratch:
with different specific rules for the ladder progress
I like the idea and suport it 100%
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I like the idea and suport it 100%
cool beans :aok
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Btw, how can you create an algorithm what calculates the scores?
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Btw, how can you create an algorithm what calculates the scores?
Theory :headscratch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system)
Sample calculator :
http://elo.divergentinformatics.com/ (http://elo.divergentinformatics.com/)
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huh cool!
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Theory :headscratch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system)
Sample calculator :
http://elo.divergentinformatics.com/ (http://elo.divergentinformatics.com/)
we are gonna need someone a hell of a lot smarter then me if we are gonna keep a ranking based off of anything other then wins and losses, that's the way I figured it would work....the number one guy would have the most wins the last the most losses....I am taking it this is wrong......
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we are gonna need someone a hell of a lot smarter then me if we are gonna keep a ranking based off of anything other then wins and losses, that's the way I figured it would work....the number one guy would have the most wins the last the most losses....I am taking it this is wrong......
That online ladder page is for ( first post second link ) Kicking last player gives you nothing. You challenge player with close skills (points) to yours, fill after match report ( win/loss) and system calculate score. Then you can challenge next one or defend your position. Simple and automated.
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Bumpitty bump :aok
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I want to do this but I am hesitant to go full blown out on it, and it not go anywhere....hell BE has like half the sign ups....Im thinking we have all these "fighter types" where the hell are they :headscratch:
who would get involved in this?
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I want to do this but I am hesitant to go full blown out on it, and it not go anywhere....hell BE has like half the sign ups....Im thinking we have all these "fighter types" where the hell are they :headscratch:
who would get involved in this?
I know I would. Maybe a smaller start would be easier to manage while the bugs are worked out of the rules and procedures anyway. If you design it so that it is an ongoing thing that anyone can join at anytime, then you might be surprised at how it grows.
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If this happens I will participate.
Please try this, please make this happen, it really looks like fun.
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Ill make a private forum called The Dueling Ladder if skuzzy will allow. But we have to push egos aside and have fun. With. It
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But we have to push egos aside and have fun. With. It
Best way to do that is to make all the BS ego chest thumping crap against the rules and grounds to be ejected from the ladder. Zero tolerance. This would, of course, need to include certain squad rivalries.
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Best way to do that is to make all the BS ego chest thumping crap against the rules and grounds to be ejected from the ladder. Zero tolerance. This would, of course, need to include certain squad rivalries.
+1 (yes im saying it... guess)
Edit: it should be a "friends dueling club". Otherwise its predestinated to die in one month.
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I dont wanna be in charge though.. INK step up :)
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I dont wanna be in charge though.. INK step up :)
im working on it :D
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gonna work up some rules next :aok
once the rules are finished I will post them in this thread...get as much feed back as needed to get them right, from there will post a new thread for sign up's
I don't think we should try for a "private forum" how bout a public forum for all to see? and wonder what the fuss is all about in this new forum.....
this will display the top 20 sticks...as more join and we need to expand more I will re do this to accommodate.
I figure the ones that sign up first will be randomly put into their spot from 1 on down....still not exactly sure about this though :headscratch:
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/dfc_ladder-1.jpg)
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what I got so far....
History
Ladders have been used in many sports and in different forms. In fencing salles of the past, it was a traditional element of the culture. Often they were used to determine who would represent the salle in competitions. Today this concept can work to provide healthy internal competition.
Benefits
dueling the same people over and over isn’t necessarily a good thing. Duelers need to Duel with a variety of people to learn ACM tactics and improve their skills.
A dueling ladder is a great motivational tool that fosters problem solving as a necessary outcome for success.
The ladder becomes a motivational impetus to improve.
Participation
Participation in dueling ladders is purely optional. But, it is a lot of fun....
Dueling Ladder Rules
1) Challenging.
a) Duelers may challenge any of the three Duelers above them on the Ladder.
b) Duelers may challenge up to one time per week.
c) Challenges occur in the DFC Dueling Challenge Thread..
d) All challengees must accept challenges provided they are available and not in the middle of a duel with a previous challenger.. otherwise a date and time shall be set for the duel agreed upon by both duelists
e) The dueler in the number one spot may challenge the three Duelers below him/her to prevent ADs
f) If you challenge a member, they have the choice of the first round plane set.
The Duel
1) fuel will be 25%
2)If someone loses a wing, tail, or engine, the round is over. Duels are to be held in the dueling arena
3) The Loser of a round has the choice of the next plane set.
4) Both contestants must get a fresh plane before the next round.
5) ladder rungs 6-20 The bout winner will be best out of five rounds, for rungs 1-5 the bout winner will be best out of ten. all fights do not need to be finished in one day.
6) Rounds must start Co Alt and Co E before the initial merge. This means no going above the agreed altitude before the initial merge in order to gain more E then your opponent,once you are in icon range, you may dive under your opponent or initiate a climb...IE start your maneuvering.
7) Head-Ons on the initial merge are looked down upon but are not against the rules...they go against what this ladder is all about...besides the fun factor, it is about killing your nme, with out allowing him to kill you.... A HO is just a toss of the coin...for the purposes of this ladder "HO" shots are not ACM and should be avoided...
8) a front quarter shot is NOT a HO if you are able to get around and puts guns on your opponent and destroy his cartoon before he has guns on you...this is a very legit shot and one to be avoided.
9) If you get more then 2.5K from your opponent while your plane’s nose is pointed away from him, you lose that round. If both contestants are nose away, that round is forfeit. This includes altitude.
a) At the start of each Ladder “season”, all Duelers will be randomly drawn to determine their initial rung on the ladder. with the exception of the number one spot, that will not be givin to anyone it must be fought for.
b) If a challenger wins a bout, they will take the place of their challengee; and the challengee will move down one spot.
c) If a challengee wins, there is no change.
e) Automatic Degradation System: All Ladder fencers must fence at least once per month in order to maintain their place. For every month they do not fence, they will move down one place. Example: If the order of the fencers is Nadi, Pillar, Halberstadt, Santelli and Nadi and Halberstadt don’t fence one week, the new order will be Pillar, Nadi, Santelli, Halberstadt. Duelers may move up more than one place if more than one Dueler above them did not Duel.
f) It is the responsibility of the Duelers to submit the bout information: who Dueled and the final winner.
A season will consist of 6 months.
these rules were adapted from the DFC dueling rules and the fencing Ladder rules
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Looks good.
Now lets count what we have and whats the "to do" list
-Forum: will be done soon.
-Rules: ready. One thing: why you want to make it a seasoned event? Let it be continous, just like the tennis world ranking. Opinions?
-Calculating system: looks good, but how can we decide in the beginning that whats the players place in the ladder? Everyone should be equal at first time.
-Participants: there should be a sign up thread on the forum. There would be more than 20, im almost sure.
Anything else we need? Yup, i cant wait to take part in it :aok
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yes it does look good more about the fight. :aok
If people can't behave or continually argue please suspend them from the ladder. It will solve any bickering or un-intentional accusations of favouritism.
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How we are going to maintain pilot position in ladder ? Web script or someone will update ranking daily ?
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-One thing: why you want to make it a seasoned event? Let it be continous, just like the tennis world ranking. Opinions?
-Calculating system: looks good, but how can we decide in the beginning that whats the players place in the ladder? Everyone should be equal at first time.
I would tend to agree on the seasons, just let it be a perpetually evolving ladder.
As for initial placement, I would vote for purely random. This will force the better sticks to fight their way up the field. The rankings will sort themselves out naturally over the first few weeks or months of the ladder's existance.
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As for initial placement, I would vote for purely random. This will force the better sticks to fight their way up the field. The rankings will sort themselves out naturally over the first few weeks or months of the ladder's existance.
I think you got it on the head. This is all about fun and friendly duels, it doesnt matters whats your place. I would like to start as the last one, if its allowed.
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i would participate in a ladder fo sho. +1000
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Looks like you are off to a good start, Ink!
let me throw in a few thoughts here.......
1st - your above Image looks more like a straight up tournament ladder rather a regular ol dueling ladder that runs continously
2nd- starting out NOONE HAS PLACEMENT! - meaning anyone can register and sign up, but to gain placement on the results/position pge, people have to challenge each other:
example:
un-ranked: TC, Bruv119, IrishOne, Ink, DrSpek, kappa, Steve, FLS, Delirium.... 30 ro 40 other names
now you have just launched this ladder, and lets say that Delirium challenges me ( TC ) and is the 1st to do so..... we do our matches and I lose 3 to 2, so Delirium would be placed in 1st postion and I would be placed in 2nd
Position Rank:
1 - Delirium
2 - TC
then lets say kappa wants to challenge Delirium, and Del accepts.... they do their matches and kappa wins
so it would be
Position Rank:
1 - kappa
2 - Delirium
3 - TC
then lets say 2 others decide to duel lets say DrSpek and Bruv119, they do their matches etc..... Bruv119 wins 3 to 1, the results would look like
Position Rank:
1 - kappa
2 - Delirium
3 - TC
4 - Bruv119
5 - DrSpek
now as we are rolling along, lets say DrSpek challenges me (TC) , we do our matches and I lose 3 to 2......... now the results would be as follows
Position Rank:
1 - kappa
2 - Delirium
3 - DrSpek
4 - TC
5 - Bruv119
now Bruv119 challenges Delirium and wins 3 to 2, the results will look like
Position Rank:
1 - kappa
2 - Bruv119
3 - Delirium
4 - DrSpek
5 - TC
this is how it should look ( all though with alot more people registered............ but remember, everyone is "unranked" until they challenge someone else or are challenged by someone else and they both fight, then they both are put on the "Ranked" board)
you should keep a running total of fight wins / fight losses / fight ties??? <--- this was actually on the last dueling ladder, but the ladder ran off of a script that kept score, round wins, round losses, plane types used, winning/losing percentage, etc.....
you can do this as a continously running dueling ladder, or you can split it up into 1/2 year , 1/4 year........... but I strongly recommend letting it run as a year long dueling ladder, reseting at the end of 365 days...
anyways, hope some of this is helpful
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TC
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Looks good TC. Bruv had this in going inside The Few squad worked out well! And was very helpful/fun. I'm sure he would shed some light on how he ran his.
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let me note that, the reason Bruv119 only challenged 3 spots up the ladder, is that is as far a person is able to challenge above them 3 positions
for as long as I can remember, dueling ladders had this limit in place that a person could only challenge up to 3 positions above themselves.....
also, someone already mentioned it, but if a ranked individual does not challenge or is not challenged during a 30 day time limit, they will be either dropped one position on the ladder or if at the bottom they will be dropped off
and people can challenge people that are ranked below them to maintain their current position ( or if they lose to a lower ranked individual, they will be moved down 1 position ), again a person can only challenge up to 3 positions in either direction......
hope this helps clarify my previous post
edit: thx Ace :aok
TC
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So TC, does your system mean that only the very first pair gets to choose from the entire pool? Then after that everyone else to follow must challenge a ranked player?
Or could TC challenge Bruv, and Irish challenge Ink all before anyone is ranked? If so, how does that work? Say TC wins and Irish wins, who is ranked where out of those 4?
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double post
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The first set of duels could be everyone of us paired up. At the conclusion half of us would be tied for first place, half tied for second place. The next round would be losers challenging the winners and would stay within the "Challenge 3+ or -" rule. At the conclusion of the second round you would have guys tied for first that had not been defeated, guys tied for second that were 1 and 1, and guys tied for 3rd that were 0 and 2. And so on, the ladder will continue to diversify with more places and fewer ties.
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The first set of duels could be everyone of us paired up. At the conclusion half of us would be tied for first place, half tied for second place. The next round would be losers challenging the winners and would stay within the "Challenge 3+ or -" rule. At the conclusion of the second round you would have guys tied for first that had not been defeated, guys tied for second that were 1 and 1, and guys tied for 3rd that were 0 and 2. And so on, the ladder will continue to diversify with more places and fewer ties.
Ok, that makes sense. Thanks
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Tattooing right now...will be here soon with the refined rules
thanx for input everyone :salute
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I like it....will allow a larger group to compete on a regular basis and work their way up to the top guys....
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ok I think I got the rules ironed out....I definitely did not like the idea of someone getting a top three spot easily so I came up with a way to make it fair and possible for anyone on the ladder in the beginning to achieve one of those spots.
ok here they are.....
History
Ladders have been used in many sports and in different forms. In fencing salles of the past, it was a traditional element of the culture. Often they were used to determine who would represent the salle in competitions. Today this concept can work to provide healthy internal competition.
Benefits
dueling the same people over and over isn’t necessarily a good thing. Duelers need to Duel with a variety of people to learn ACM tactics and improve their skills.
A dueling ladder is a great motivational tool that fosters problem solving as a necessary outcome for success.The ladder becomes a motivational impetus to improve.
Participation
Participation in dueling ladders is purely optional. But, it is a lot of fun....
expectations from participants.....you are expected to conduct your self with Honor, integrity,and Honesty first and foremost, I Don't believe we need a huge book of rules, and I am not gonna play the rule game....if you conduct yourself with Honor and integrity there is no reason for excessive rules....
if you Harass/verbally abuse via PM or Vox any participants in the dueling Ladder you will be ejected from the ladder, with no warnings... proof of harassment must be shown, if you have been ejected from one ladder you may participate in the next one, if a second ejection occurs then the person will be banned permanently from all future Ladders.
any obvious out right breaking of the rules will be ejection from the ladder.
film all Duels...with out film there is no proof.
ok on with the rules......
Dueling Ladder Rules
1) Challenging.
a) Duelers may challenge any of the three Duelers above them on the Ladder.
b) Duelers may challenge up to three times per week. except one he previously challenged and lost too, he must win a duel before he can re-challenge the one he lost to.
c) Challenges occur in the DFC Dueling Challenge Thread..
d) All challengees must accept challenges provided they are available and not in the middle of a duel with a previous challenger.. otherwise a date and time shall be set for the duel agreed upon by both duelists
e) The dueler in the number one spot may challenge any of the Duelers below him/her to prevent *ADS.....in the case where the Top Dog loses a challenge he put forth, they will switch positions on the Ladder, this is the only time a switching of positions will take place.
f) When you challenge a member, they have the choice of the first round plane.
The Duel
1) fuel will be 25% same plane, same ammo load out, (other ladders in the future may be designed as a non same plane match ups....IE you take your best plane I take my best plane see who wins)
2) If someone loses a wing, tail, or engine, the round is over, Duels are to be held in the dueling arena with an agreed upon ALT by the contestants, but a 10K ALT is a good starting point, for this opens up the fight much more and allows for more options on the merge. remember the fight is most often won in the merge.
3) The Loser of the round has the choice of the next plane.
4) Both contestants must get a fresh plane before the next round.
5) Rounds must start Co Alt and Co E before the initial merge. This means no going above the agreed altitude before the initial merge in order to gain more E then your opponent,once you are in icon range, you may dive under your opponent or initiate a climb...IE start your maneuvering.
6) Head-Ons on the initial merge are looked down upon but are NOT against the rules****...they go against what this ladder is all about...besides the fun factor, it is about killing your nme, with out allowing him to kill you.... A HO is just a toss of the coin...for the purposes of this ladder "HO" shots are not ACM and should be avoided...****
7) a front quarter shot is NOT a HO if you are able to get around and put guns on your opponent and destroy his cartoon pilot before he has guns on you...this is a very legit shot and one to be expected.
8) If you get more then 2.5K from your opponent while your plane’s nose is pointed away from him, you lose that round. If both contestants are nose away, that round is forfeit. This includes altitude.
Initial placement and working up the ladder
a) At the start of each Ladder “season”, all Duelers will be randomly drawn to determine their initial rung on the ladder. with the exception of the 1-3 rungs, these will not be givin to anyone, they must be fought for.
b) when a challenger wins a bout, they will take the rung of their challengee; and the challengee will move down one rung.
If a challengee wins, there is no change.
c) the top 3 "rungs" will not be givin out at the beginning of the season, each of the top three rungs must be fought for....#
for instance...say 25 people sign up there will be 28 "rungs" each pilot will be randomly placed in the bottom 25 rungs.
d) ladder rungs 20 and below will be best of 3, rungs 6-20 best out of five rounds, for rungs 1-5 the bout winner will be best of ten. all fights do not necessarily need to be finished in one day.
e) It is the responsibility of the Duelers to submit the bout information: who Dueled and the final winner, in the results thread.
# the coveted top three rungs and how to get there.....these are the rungs that are the hardest to get to....
the first duelist to win 3 matches in a row moves into the 3rd place rung
the first duelist to win 4 matches in a row moves into the 2nd place rung
the first duelist to win 5 matches in a row moves into the 1st place rung and will be Top Dog until he is ousted by a challenger.(or loses a challenge he put forth)
this will allow anyone on the ladder a fair chance to get to the top rung
once the top three rungs are occupied....all duelist must work their way up the Ladder, in the typical fashion.
* Automatic Degradation System: All Ladder Duelers must Duel at least once per month in order to maintain their place. For every month they do not Duel, they will move down one place. Example: If the order of the Duelers is INK,Prono,Irishone,Zoney,Debrody.... and INK and Irishone do not duel in that month, the new order would be Prono, INk, Zoney,Irishone,Debrody
**** more on the "HO" shot......this Ladder is for those of us that enjoy a fight, for those of us who want to get better at ACM, to be able to fight those that you may not get a chance to in the MA's with out being hoarded.....so if we as a Dueling community feel someone is not here for the right reasons IE A good fight.....and they choose to just HO every fight with out any ACM....an ejection thread will be started we will try to encourage this individual to change his ways if they still refuse and just HO every fight they will be ejected from the Ladder.
again the HO shot is just a coin toss.....it has NO PLACE in a dueling Ladder where good fights are expected.
A season will consist of 6 months.
these rules were adapted from the DFC dueling rules and the fencing Ladder rules
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looking for a couple people who would be willing to review films and just deal with anything that may arise if/when I am not around.
PfactorDave you mentioned something about it..... :D
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looking for a couple people who would be willing to review films and just deal with anything that may arise if/when I am not around.
PfactorDave you mentioned something about it..... :D
Sure, I'll help.
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Sure, I'll help.
cool beans at least one more...that should be good enough.
and this will not interfere with you being in the ladder...... :old:
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and this will not interfere with you being in the ladder...... :old:
Oh that's good! I hadn't even thought of that! I would hate to miss out on this.
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Deck merges?
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Deck merges?
Looks like the rules specify that the combatants can agree on merge altitude between themselves. The stipulation is that going above the agreed merge alt to build excess E is prohibited.
At least thats how I read it.
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e) The dueler in the number one spot may challenge any of the Duelers below him/her to prevent *ADS.....in the case where the Top Dog loses a challenge he put forth, they will switch positions on the Ladder, this is the only time a switching of positions will take place.
My question involves this line.
Does this mean that the top guy can challenge anyone to maintain his required activity? Even, for instance, the guy on the bottom rung?
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My question involves this line.
Does this mean that the top guy can challenge anyone to maintain his required activity? Even, for instance, the guy on the bottom rung?
yup...but if he loses to the guy on the bottom rung that's where he goes and that guy goes to his spot.... :t
I like this rule a lot gonna make it interesting
Deck merges?
ALT is whatever the duelists agree upon....but I would suggest a high ALT for a more open merge...gives ya more tactics and simulates the MA better...but again totally up to the two that are dueling.
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looking for a couple people who would be willing to review films and just deal with anything that may arise if/when I am not around.
I will volunteer to review any films.
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I will volunteer to review any films.
cc that
hopefully wont be needed....but.....haha
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butbutbut...
when can we start it? :x
Just fooling. Looks great, almost ready to roll.
<S>
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Ahh the memories... last I knew I was #1 or #2 on the previous ladder back in '05-ish? :old:
Here's the merge RoE as I recall them - and I've pretty much always follow them, even now. :aok
Agreed upon pre-vis (dot, not icon) alt cap, in general about 3k above whatever base alt is. This meant that we couldn't exceed that alt cap (you know how some weenies who duel like to climb higher then dive down before vis? :rolleyes: ) and filming would start on takeoff.
At vis (dot) anything goes except a HO on the initial merge - this means you can do whatever you please once you see the opponent's dot - except shoot him in the face. :joystick:
Over time i notice some definitions have been tweaked for clarity, such as agreement on ammo loads and emptying "excess" ammo, i.e. the .303's in spits or the 7.9's in FW's.
I've also seen it evolve into no firing until passing 3/9 (front quarter shot issue), but this implies a co-alt level merge, which goes against the anything goes at vis, such as lead-turning, diving or even climbing. This allowed for a variety of styles to exist within the ladder as opposed to a very specific skillset. the "rules" were also better defined to limit "running" via the 25% gas, and the addition of an icon range being exceeded, usually 2.5k, resulting in an automatic loss. There was no set rule about front quarter shots per se.
The ladder challenging rules, etc are very similar, if not the same as I recall. Well, except for maybe the challenging downward (it was generally up to 3 slots above.) Also the timing - I seem to recall it was a one-week limit and there was some sort of little "app" heh that let you both pick the times and show the results. Too bad both of the sites that hosted this are gone. :(
as for this go around... work out some of the general rules and count me in. :aok
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Ahh the memories... last I knew I was #1 or #2 on the previous ladder back in '05-ish? :old:
yep Shane, you was having a bout back and forth in it with WidThing I do believe ( and sniper )
ya'll traded spots bak and forth for 1st & 2nd
I think it was either dedalos or Octavious that was 3rd
I ended up 4th and Steve was 5th with BigMax being 6th.......... that's bout as best I can remember ( 3rd might have been Sniper now that I thnk about it more )
SourKraut had started this last go around ( session 0 with an additional dueling ladder of 2 vs 2 and DmdDano and myself were tops on that board but it never went anywhere and the whole thing just fizzled out eventually ( both the single's dueling ladder & the 2vs2 dueling ladder )
I only ever made it to 2nd or 3rd I think and got knocked down to 6th but fought my way back to 4th before it ended.......
I loved the way Sourkraut's script kept up with each individuals win-loss totals, plane types used, win-loss percentage ....etc....
I hope this works out for Ink & the community, but I am gonna sit this one out...... the 7 rd / 10 rd duel matches is just a bit more than I feel like partaking in..... no ffense
best of luck
TC
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I hope this works out for Ink & the community, but I am gonna sit this one out...... the 7 rd / 10 rd duel matches is just a bit more than I feel like partaking in..... no ffense
best of luck
TC
may wanna reconsider.... it's been changed to best of 3 (20+ rank) , best of 5 (6-19 rank) and best of 7 (top 5 ranked.)
I agree sour's script was awesome... he still around?
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yep Shane, you was having a bout back and forth in it with WidThing I do believe ( and sniper )
ya'll traded spots bak and forth for 1st & 2nd
I think it was either dedalos or Octavious that was 3rd
I ended up 4th and Steve was 5th with BigMax being 6th.......... that's bout as best I can remember ( 3rd might have been Sniper now that I thnk about it more )
SourKraut had started this last go around ( session 0 with an additional dueling ladder of 2 vs 2 and DmdDano and myself were tops on that board but it never went anywhere and the whole thing just fizzled out eventually ( both the single's dueling ladder & the 2vs2 dueling ladder )
I only ever made it to 2nd or 3rd I think and got knocked down to 6th but fought my way back to 4th before it ended.......
I loved the way Sourkraut's script kept up with each individuals win-loss totals, plane types used, win-loss percentage ....etc....
I hope this works out for Ink & the community, but I am gonna sit this one out...... the 7 rd / 10 rd duel matches is just a bit more than I feel like partaking in..... no ffense
best of luck
TC
you should Change your mind....the more fights just cements the win, instead of the "any givin sunday" this will insure that the more experienced would win.....also give the ones that are not quite as experienced a chance to get in some good fights with guys that they will learn from.
we have a good batch of guys you would make a good competitor :salute