H2H Ladder ( again ?)

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I dont wanna be in charge though..  INK step up

im working on it

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gonna work up some rules next

once the rules are finished I will post them in this thread...get as much feed back as needed to get them right, from there will post a new thread for sign up's

I don't think we should try for a "private forum" how bout a public forum for all to see? and wonder what the fuss is all about in this new forum.....

this will display the top 20 sticks...as more join and we need to expand more I will re do this to accommodate.

I figure the ones that sign up first will be randomly put into their spot from 1 on down....still not exactly sure about this though

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what I got so far....

History

Ladders have been used in many sports and in different forms. In fencing salles of the past, it was a traditional element of the culture. Often they were used to determine who would represent the salle in competitions. Today this concept can work to provide healthy internal competition.

Benefits

dueling the same people over and over isn’t necessarily a good thing. Duelers need to Duel with a variety of people to learn ACM tactics and improve their skills.

A dueling ladder is a great motivational tool that fosters problem solving as a necessary outcome for success.

    The ladder becomes a motivational impetus to improve.
    

Participation

 Participation in dueling ladders is purely optional. But, it is a lot of fun....



Dueling Ladder Rules

1) Challenging.

a) Duelers may challenge any of the three Duelers above them on the Ladder.

b) Duelers may challenge up to one time per week.

c) Challenges occur in the DFC Dueling Challenge Thread..

d) All challengees must accept challenges provided they are available and not in the middle of a duel with a previous challenger.. otherwise a date and time shall be set for the duel agreed upon by both duelists

e) The dueler in the number one spot may challenge the three Duelers below him/her to prevent ADs

 f)  If you challenge a member, they have the choice of the first round plane set.                                                              
    
The Duel

   1)   fuel will be 25%                                    
    
    2)If someone loses a wing, tail, or engine, the round is over. Duels are to be held in the dueling     arena
                                                                    
    3)  The Loser of a round has the choice of the next plane set.
                                                                        
    4)  Both contestants must get a fresh plane before the next round.                                                                    
      
     5) ladder rungs 6-20 The bout winner will be best out of five rounds, for rungs 1-5 the bout winner will be best out of ten. all fights do not need to be finished in one day.
                                                                                            
     6) Rounds must start Co Alt and Co E before the initial merge.  This means no going above the agreed altitude before the initial merge in order to gain more E then your opponent,once you are in icon range, you may dive under your opponent or initiate a climb...IE start your maneuvering.                                                                                                                            
    
      7) Head-Ons on the initial merge are looked down upon but are not against the rules...they go against what this ladder is all about...besides the fun factor, it is about killing your nme, with out allowing him to kill you.... A HO is just a toss of the coin...for the purposes of this ladder "HO" shots are not ACM and should be avoided...

       8) a front quarter shot is NOT a HO if you are able to get around and puts guns on your opponent and destroy his cartoon before he has guns on you...this is a very legit shot and one to be avoided.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                  
       9)  If you get more then 2.5K from your opponent while your plane’s nose is pointed away from him, you lose that round.  If both contestants are nose away, that round is forfeit.  This includes altitude.                                          
      

a) At the start of each Ladder “season”, all Duelers will be randomly drawn to determine their initial rung on the ladder. with the exception of the number one spot, that will not be givin to anyone it must be fought for.

b) If a challenger wins a bout, they will take the place of their challengee; and the challengee will move down one spot.

c) If a challengee wins, there is no change.



e) Automatic Degradation System: All Ladder fencers must fence at least once per month in order to maintain their place. For every month they do not fence, they will move down one place. Example: If the order of the fencers is Nadi, Pillar, Halberstadt, Santelli and Nadi and Halberstadt don’t fence one week, the new order will be Pillar, Nadi, Santelli, Halberstadt. Duelers may move up more than one place if more than one Dueler above them did not Duel.

f) It is the responsibility of the Duelers to submit the bout information: who Dueled and the final winner.


A season will consist of 6 months.



these rules were adapted from the DFC dueling rules and the fencing Ladder rules  

[Debrody]

Looks good.
Now lets count what we have and whats the "to do" list
-Forum: will be done soon.
-Rules: ready. One thing: why you want to make it a seasoned event? Let it be continous, just like the tennis world ranking. Opinions?
-Calculating system: looks good, but how can we decide in the beginning that whats the players place in the ladder? Everyone should be equal at first time.
-Participants: there should be a sign up thread on the forum. There would be more than 20, im almost sure.
Anything else we need? Yup, i cant wait to take part in it 

[Bruv119]

yes it does look good more about the fight. 

If people can't behave or continually argue please suspend them from the ladder.   It will solve any bickering or un-intentional accusations of favouritism. 

[prono]

How we are going to maintain pilot position in ladder ? Web script or someone will update ranking daily ?

[PFactorDave]

-One thing: why you want to make it a seasoned event? Let it be continous, just like the tennis world ranking. Opinions?
-Calculating system: looks good, but how can we decide in the beginning that whats the players place in the ladder? Everyone should be equal at first time.

I would tend to agree on the seasons, just let it be a perpetually evolving ladder.

As for initial placement, I would vote for purely random.  This will force the better sticks to fight their way up the field.  The rankings will sort themselves out naturally over the first few weeks or months of the ladder's existance.

[Debrody]

As for initial placement, I would vote for purely random.  This will force the better sticks to fight their way up the field.  The rankings will sort themselves out naturally over the first few weeks or months of the ladder's existance.

I think you got it on the head. This is all about fun and friendly duels, it doesnt matters whats your place. I would like to start as the last one, if its allowed.

[IrishOne]

i would participate in a ladder fo sho.  +1000

[TequilaChaser]

Looks like you are off to a good start, Ink!

let me throw in a few thoughts here.......

1st - your above Image looks more like a straight up tournament ladder rather a regular ol dueling ladder that runs continously

2nd- starting out NOONE HAS PLACEMENT! - meaning anyone can register and sign up, but to gain placement on the results/position pge, people have to challenge each other:

example:

un-ranked: TC, Bruv119, IrishOne, Ink, DrSpek, kappa, Steve, FLS, Delirium.... 30 ro 40 other names

now you have just launched this ladder, and lets say that Delirium challenges me ( TC ) and is the 1st to do so..... we do our matches and I lose 3 to 2, so Delirium would be placed in 1st postion and I would be placed in 2nd

Position Rank:
1 - Delirium
2 - TC

then lets say kappa wants to challenge Delirium, and Del accepts....  they do their matches and kappa wins

so it would be


Position Rank:
1 - kappa
2 - Delirium
3 - TC


then lets say 2 others decide to duel  lets say DrSpek and Bruv119, they do their matches etc..... Bruv119 wins   3 to 1, the results would look like

Position Rank:
1 - kappa
2 - Delirium
3 - TC
4 - Bruv119
5 - DrSpek

now as we are rolling along, lets say DrSpek challenges me (TC) , we do our matches and I lose 3 to 2......... now the results would be as follows

Position Rank:
1 - kappa
2 - Delirium
3 - DrSpek
4 - TC
5 - Bruv119


now Bruv119 challenges Delirium and wins   3 to 2, the results will look like

Position Rank:
1 - kappa
2 - Bruv119
3 - Delirium
4 - DrSpek
5 - TC


this is how it should look ( all though with alot more people registered............ but remember, everyone is "unranked" until they challenge someone else or are challenged by someone else and they both fight, then they both are put on the "Ranked" board)

you should keep a running total of fight wins / fight losses / fight ties??? <--- this was actually on the last dueling ladder, but the ladder ran off of a script that kept score, round wins, round losses, plane types used, winning/losing percentage, etc.....

you can do this as a continously running dueling ladder, or you can split it up into 1/2 year , 1/4 year........... but I strongly recommend letting it run as a year long dueling ladder, reseting at the end of 365 days...


anyways, hope some of this is helpful

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TC

[ACE]

Looks good TC.  Bruv had this in going inside The Few squad worked out well! And was very helpful/fun.  I'm sure he would shed some light on how he ran his.

[TequilaChaser]

let me note that, the reason Bruv119 only challenged 3 spots up the ladder, is that is as far a person is able to challenge above them  3 positions

for as long as I can remember, dueling ladders had this limit in place that a person could only challenge up to 3 positions above themselves.....

also, someone already mentioned it, but if a ranked individual does not challenge or is not challenged  during a 30 day time limit, they will be either dropped one position on the ladder or if at the bottom they will be dropped off


and people can challenge people that are ranked below them to maintain their current position ( or if they lose to a lower ranked individual, they will be moved down 1 position ), again a person can only challenge  up to 3 positions in either direction......

hope this helps clarify my previous post


edit: thx  Ace 


TC

[PFactorDave]

So TC, does your system mean that only the very first pair gets to choose from the entire pool?  Then after that everyone else to follow must challenge a ranked player?

Or could TC challenge Bruv, and Irish challenge Ink all before anyone is ranked?  If so, how does that work?  Say TC wins and Irish wins, who is ranked where out of those 4?

[PFactorDave]

double post

[Zoney]

The first set of duels could be everyone of us paired up.  At the conclusion half of us would be tied for first place, half tied for second place.  The next round would be losers challenging the winners and would stay within the "Challenge 3+ or -" rule.  At the conclusion of the second round you would have guys tied for first that had not been defeated, guys tied for second that were 1 and 1, and guys tied for 3rd that were 0 and 2. And so on, the ladder will continue to diversify with more places and fewer ties.