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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Edgar on September 25, 2011, 12:24:08 PM
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Good morning,
Let me preface this post by saying that my squad and myself are really enjoying the time we are having in the AvA and really enjoying the current scenario that you guys have set up. Kudos to all of the AvA staff for making this a truly great place to be.
My suggestion on the other hand would to have the ability to "De-tune" the "All" channel (1) so that the constant trash talking can be shut off. There are a couple of guys that just don't agree with the current orders and are very negative and want people that are following the orders out so that they can have the AvA to their liking. They constantly go on about how great they are, how pathetic and lousy we are and frankly it gets old listening to it.
I myself got so upset listening to it yesterday that I was sucked in and started to engage this person, but it really took a lot of the fun out of the scenario. We were only doing what we were ordered to do, by the official orders, not doing anything that we weren't supposed to be doing.
First off, I would like to apologize for my behavior yesterday, I shouldn't have let myself get drawn into that.
Secondly, I would propose that we have the ability to shut off the "All" channel so that those that do want to engage in it can tune or de-tune a common channel (such as 200) at their discretion and, if de-tuned, they do not have to hear the negativity.
I went in this morning and they are at it again, in fact chased another player off and told him to enjoy the MA because that particular person didn't want the MA mentality in the AvA. I realize that he wants to be a big fish in a small pond, but all it does is chase people off that might normally stay here and help build the numbers of the AvA.
I appreciate your consideration and again, I am sorry about letting myself get drawn into the mess last night.
<S>
Edgar
VMF-222
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We will look at this.
In the meantime..............
Players can squelch all channel. I believe the command is .squelch 1
They can also squelch individual players the same way or by right clicking on the name in the roster.
Players can also report others to HTC. right click on name in roster and you will see that option. or .report player name.
Abuse of this feature is frowned upon, however, it sounds like it would be justified in this instance.
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don't apologize edgar. the main dipstick in question is nothing more than a self proclaimed retardnet hero. we all know he wouldn't be so mouthy face to face.
unfortunately the admins won't do anything about said hero and those like him, regardless of what he says or does. best thing for anyone who tires of his incessant ramblings about his greatness to do is use the squelch option.
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One other suggestion :old: Can we get back to honorable behavior. As a fellow face shooter(when called upon to do so), can we get the, Let's behave speech back in the MOTD. You know the one I am talkin about. It goes something like "Respect all players, no Head On shots, please, no vulchin & picking is frowned upon"
Seems like we had a pretty high quality bunch there for a long time, then when Jimson, or Jaeger1 or other AvA CM's left out the spiel about "Be nice or go somewhere else" we started to get all types. Now if you think I am singling any one person out, I probably was talking about you :bolt:
Next question is about the Icons off issue. Suggestion coming here. Could we maybe get a single week in a month with them off? It seems like there is a lot of whining about 'great 1v1's being ruined' by seekers of teamwork or easy kills. There was less of this & it seemed like when enemy icons were off, you had to work with a team to get anywhere. I really miss it. Please don't tell me I can turn them off ;) It's not the same & we know it :headscratch:
Enough of the soapbox. Keep you head in the clouds and your heart in the fight :airplane:
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unfortunately the admins won't do anything about said hero and those like him, regardless of what he says or does.
It's not the admins fault, they can only do so much and have to witness the behavior before they can take action. Even then
they have to be careful. It's not like they have a magic doom stick they can use anytime they want.
The fault lies with the individual behaving like a jerk and attention should be focused on him not the admins.
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unfortunately the admins won't do anything about said hero and those like him, regardless of what he says or does. best thing for anyone who tires of his incessant ramblings about his greatness to do is use the squelch option.
I guarantee that this statement is completely untrue Gyrene. The current set of Admins and staff are committed to a fun arena for all, free of abusive players.
Follow this suggestion and problem solved. For abusive players, do not engage them in conversation. You will just feed their internet EGO and justify their behavior. If they do not quit their abusive behavior, then .Report them and then squelch them. If it continues past this stage please film and provide info to HTC and let the AVA staff know. Finally, If you cannot control yourself then squelch the all channel altogether.
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Good morning,
Let me preface this post by saying that my squad and myself are really enjoying the time we are having in the AvA and really enjoying the current scenario that you guys have set up. Kudos to all of the AvA staff for making this a truly great place to be.
My suggestion on the other hand would to have the ability to "De-tune" the "All" channel (1) so that the constant trash talking can be shut off. There are a couple of guys that just don't agree with the current orders and are very negative and want people that are following the orders out so that they can have the AvA to their liking. They constantly go on about how great they are, how pathetic and lousy we are and frankly it gets old listening to it.
I myself got so upset listening to it yesterday that I was sucked in and started to engage this person, but it really took a lot of the fun out of the scenario. We were only doing what we were ordered to do, by the official orders, not doing anything that we weren't supposed to be doing.
First off, I would like to apologize for my behavior yesterday, I shouldn't have let myself get drawn into that.
Secondly, I would propose that we have the ability to shut off the "All" channel so that those that do want to engage in it can tune or de-tune a common channel (such as 200) at their discretion and, if de-tuned, they do not have to hear the negativity.
I went in this morning and they are at it again, in fact chased another player off and told him to enjoy the MA because that particular person didn't want the MA mentality in the AvA. I realize that he wants to be a big fish in a small pond, but all it does is chase people off that might normally stay here and help build the numbers of the AvA.
I appreciate your consideration and again, I am sorry about letting myself get drawn into the mess last night.
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Edgar
VMF-222
Edgar follow out the objective orders to your hearts content, and follow the above advice for dealing with abusive players. Please continue to have fun at all costs! :aok
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i love you notch... :cheers:
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i love you notch... :cheers:
OK,,,,,,I luv you too, man. You're still not getting any of my
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/notchman777/miller-lite.jpg)
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LOL i dont drink that crap anyway so you can keep it! :bolt:
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I guarantee that this statement is completely untrue Gyrene. The current set of Admins and staff are committed to a fun arena for all, free of abusive players.
considering what i witnessed, heard on vox and was part of last night as well as edgar reporting that the exact same crap from the exact same individual today, i guarantee my statement is correct. i was told last night by one of the ava staff members who knows said individual on a more than casual basis, "he's not such a bad guy" the entire time the moron was spouting off. same crapola i was told about another loudmouth individual who caused problems for visiting squads months ago. as shifty stated, the ava staff do not have a "magic doom stick", but no one should have to tolerate any abuse from an idiot that thinks his 1337 skillz in ah actually means anything but lack of a real world social life.
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Report it to HTC. We can only handle things when we are online and even then it's limited.
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It's very important to not respond in kind.
When admins are in the arena they often see folks going at each other and cannot single out the instigator.
Staying above it all helps single out the "problem child" and makes it easier for us to take action.
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, can we get the, Let's behave speech back in the MOTD. You know the one I am talkin about. It goes something like "Respect all players, no Head On shots, please, no vulchin & picking is frowned upon"
If that's how it is, please do put it in the MOTD. People come in, they don't realize it's a refined, gentlemanly fight the regulars are looking for. If that's the environment that's trying to be fostered, spell it out so people know up front and know either what to conform to, or to look elsewhere.
Wiley.
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Yes please put it up in the arena message. See someone breaking the rules, .warn so and so, if they do it again, .tower so and so. Explain what they are doing is not in the rules or spirit of the rules of the AvA and send them back out. They infract again then the old watch TV for a while .eject so and so. You don't want it to be like it was a while ago, when you had 3 people running off everyone except the diehards. Don't be afraid to call people out if your a mod, I do it all the time in the TA when someone is out of line, After I give you a warning, do it again and your watching TV. I haven't witnessed this issue recently, so I'm not sure who is in question here.
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BigRat
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Whats funny is, one of the biggest drama queens of last night (not gonna name him on here) said he was quiting both the AvA along with the game.
Yet, he was back in here tonight. Doing the same complaining he did last night.
:rofl
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.... night (not gonna name him on here) said he....
And why not? Maybe if he sees his name in the spotlight, he'll ease up a bit. Sometimes, a little peer pressure goes a long way. :salute
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could someone please list arena rules? i didn't know there were any? i know they(the admin group) want to promote "their gameplay", but I didn't know there were actual "rules". please list them for me so we can all see them and know what they are. this way we will all be on the same page.
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its not that they were "rules" per say but it was a different play style originally. I can tell you the big draw for me at first was the no icon settings, been beaten to death so thats all i will say about that. It was a fun arena because it wasnt just about winning the war at all costs. Some said we all had chips on our shoulders and thought we were better then all the other MA players but this is not true, we just liked playing the game a different way. Ive personally been playing the game for about 10 years and ive seen a lot of changes, good and bad.
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And why not? Maybe if he sees his name in the spotlight, he'll ease up a bit. Sometimes, a little peer pressure goes a long way. :salute
speak of the devil...
could someone please list arena rules? i didn't know there were any? i know they(the admin group) want to promote "their gameplay", but I didn't know there were actual "rules". please list them for me so we can all see them and know what they are. this way we will all be on the same page.
same rules as everywhere else, the crap you have been spouting to players who don't do things your way is abusive to say the least. no one is impressed by your uber console 1337 gamer skillz by any stretch of the imagination. it's not your arena, nor your duty to berate other players for not doing things your way, or tell the ava staff members how to run the arena. if you have an objection over a setup, or how things are being played out on a setup, post it here in the forums.
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good to see everything is normal, now that I'm back from my vacation.
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Someone just say "Please leave the drama in the MA. We're here to just have fun."
That should be enough. If not, grow thicker skin; you're not going to change the behaviors of others. The mod's tools are not to be used to bend people to your playstyle - don't go down that road...you won't like what you find at the end of it.
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We are getting mixed messages right here and right now about what this arena is about. The current orders said Allied were to take the beach head from the south and push north by taking bases until we crossed the 7 line, ultimately taking Nagasaki. That is what we were doing when (we all know who now) was beraiting people about being tool shedders, not being welcome in the arena, suck game play to his standards, etc. I am now being told by others that the arena is not a win the war type of arena, it seems to me like you guys want a "Dueling Lite Arena". If this is the case, don't publish orders and objectives that ask us to roll bases and capture land. If this is the case, then the rest of the players that don't like it should shut it and follow the objectives.
As for the person doing all of the berating of players, don't play dumb that you don't know the rules. The #1 rule is to be civil to other players. You cant seem to follow this and pretty much chase anyone out of the arena that doesn't play it your way. Taunting, telling people they suck, etc. You did it Saturday night, chased another player out of the arena Sunday morning, tried to engage me Sunday morning again, berated a squaddie and myself Sunday evening on range for doing something we were not, but you thought we were (dropping into a 1v1), etc.
Just clarify, you guys want a Dueling Lite arena, or do you want us to follow the orders that you published?
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could someone please list arena rules? i didn't know there were any? i know they(the admin group) want to promote "their gameplay", but I didn't know there were actual "rules". please list them for me so we can all see them and know what they are. this way we will all be on the same page.
Like Grumpy37 said;
its not that they were "rules" per say but it was a different play style originally.
I knew it would be a "what rule did I break?" discussion after a while. Well as far as I know, it's called The Rule of Thumb First off,,,,,,,there ain't no guy named Thumb & it ain't about anyone's thumb :P The expression is applied to an implied set of principles that a society employs to govern itself.
For instance, it is just not polite to lick someone else's food while they are still eating it :eek: There is no real rule or law about this, you just have been taught that this is not acceptable behavior ;)
Sometimes I think we get in the mindset that no matter how hard we try to follow the rules, it is aggravating that someone else breaks them & gets away with it. To that discussion I would add these analogies. Is it stealing if you do not get caught? Are you a thief if you steal a penny? Was it really a 'homerun' the player hit while on performance enhancing drugs?
I personally look at my performance in a fight & revel in a well flown, sharp gunned kill or death. When an unearned, cheap shot is used, it's just a Phffttt for me. That is all it is. Cheap shot have been taken by some of the greatest aces in all wars. Like the Commander in Flyboys said about unfairness. "You want justice? You have a gun, use it"
I would like to address ganging though. I think 2 guys working together is TEAMWORK :cheers: I can respect that. When 2 guys work against 1 & a 3rd guy picks or 2 to whatever number of fellas pile on, then that is ridiculous. Again there is a rule of thumb that works here. If you are one of the gangers, think about what you are doing ;) Whining about not getting a decent 1v1 is a losers way of saying, it is somebody else's fault my situational awareness sucks. Simpler way to say that is "oops, didn't see ya there"
Wow just went on Jabberjawing there didn't I? Point of all that was to say, this was supposed to be the one place in this crazy game folks could go to play ,what most percieved as, more civilally than the MA. Time to step up and say, we will not play that way. Time to have some integrity and not do what the other guy is doing! You control what you have control over :rock Yourself and your actions Don't worry about the other guy, just make him pay for his insolence :airplane:
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i still love you notch...... We can share coronas or something darker as long is it doesnt have 'Light" on the label..... :cheers:
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good post notch! well said!
as for ganging, its up to individuals to join in or stay out. i usually stay out, but when i do, the clown getting ganged usually comes after me, so he deserves what he gets.
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That's all I was asking. Now that I know it's a Marquis of Queensbury style arena, I know it's not my scene, and I'll not inflict myself on it unless that's what I'm in the mood for.
I just was saying there should be mentioned somewhere like the MOTD or when orders get posted to mention the playstyle that is expected so people won't get bent out of shape. Granted some won't read it but some will.
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Wiley.
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That's all I was asking. Now that I know it's a Marquis of Queensbury style arena, I know it's not my scene, and I'll not inflict myself on it unless that's what I'm in the mood for.
I just was saying there should be mentioned somewhere like the MOTD or when orders get posted to mention the playstyle that is expected so people won't get bent out of shape. Granted some won't read it but some will.
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Wiley.
Well, The AvA is all about realism, And even tho everyone here likes a fair 1v1 fight, Thats not really how world war 2 went down.
Like Meo was complaining it was "5 vs 1". sure, everyone usually hates getting stuck in that situation, But world war 2 wasent really a fair even sided battle. I'd be a bit turned away from the arena if it went by the MA standards.
My only Gripe with the AvA is that sometimes when its an objective operation, People will completely forget about doing the objective, and simply turn the place into the DA, Doing nothing but furballing.(Saw it with operation husky and the invasion of leningrad)
its peoples $14.95. But if your going to play in an objective based arena, why not actually try to fufill the objective?
<S> to all operation downfall tho. its going pretty fun. Nagasaki's got some brutal flak btw :lol
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I am member of VMF-222, but I speak for only myself.
We saw the notice last week of the impending battle in the AVA, posted it on our boards, and discussed our participation. The conversation was about, "this looks like fun", never did anone say, "hey lets go in there with our uberness and roll bases and win this war". It did look like there was a general plan and we thought that too looked like fun.
On Friday we had about 8 of us logged into the AVA. We flew as a squad. We attacked bases, killed enemy aircraft, covered each other and attempted to land safely, rearm, and go to battle again, as a squad. Frankly, we were in heaven. The setup was brillant as we could choose whick F4U aircraft type we wanted from the multitude of carriers. We got to fly our squads historical aircraft at will and engage with aircraft from the enemy of a proper type. We were tasked with missions that were, or could have been historically accurate. We were having a ball. Normally, Friday nights, would have found us in the FSO but it was an off week. As we chatted the general conversation was lauding the gameplay we had found and many expressed the desire to play here at least untill the scenario changed.
And then...............
The griefing started. Ironically the opening statement was "Don't bring that main arena BS into here, you guys ............................. ........................ and I'm better than any of of you because you guys......................... ............................. .you guys wont fight me fair because you guys......................... ................(ad infinitum).
Wow. Seriously took me by surprise. Thank you to the many arena regulars that supported our gameplay and reminded this individual that we were following the scenario set up and others were having fun too. Nothing would stop him.
Saturday evening. We log in again, same thing.
Sunday, I played in the main, wishing I could have been having fun in the AVA.
Thank you gentelmen. <S>
Z
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OK here is the deal.
Each week, a staffer put's his setup in. They each have some freedom as to what they would like to run, within reason.
We do not have the same abilities as the MA does, auto win the war map resets etc.
Many folks have suggested that the arena needs to have some sort of point, some objective.
Otherwise all it is is a 2 sided limited planeset dueling arena.
I have said this dozens of times concerning the debate between strategic players vs dogfighters or basetakers vs furballers:
While the latter can occur within a game that has the former, the reverse is not true.
No one is saying that if all you want to do is furball, that you can't just fly around and shoot down planes.
That is fine, but my personal opinion is that there needs to be a place for all different styles of gameplay for the arena to be successful.
The objectives listed and the "orders" posted, (perhaps I should have used the word suggestions instead) are there for those who choose to play a strategic game.
There is no perfect setup. Some problems always come up. The downtimes for ords have been shortened, as that seemed to be a bone of contention, so now ords will come back up sooner.
The AvA is not the MA. We have 2 countries enabled and specific planesets and we cannot use the automatic tools that are present there. We are a scenario type of arena but the AvA is also not the SEA, we are a 24/7 arena and HTC doesn't want us to compete with the SEA.
We are also not the DA with limited country specific planes.
If you think it's easy to thread this needle then you haven't been paying attention. We have never been able to please everyone and we never will.
We can develop some sort of written rules, but we are also limited there.
There has been mention in this thread about a "gentlemans" sportsmanship statement.
We once had such a description on the special events website, that said vultching, spawn camping etc were frowned upon in AvA.
Perhaps that is the one that is being referred to.
We were directed in no uncertain terms by HTC to remove it as they percieved it to be disparaging of the game and the MA.
I can assure you that Hitech takes a very dim view of anything that can be interpreted as derogatory to the MA or anything that sets up a we (AvA) vs they (MA) mentality.
Enforcing "gentlemens" rules is a no go. Encouragement by example is probably the best thing that can be done in this area.
However, harrassment and insulting others is a different thing entirely.
Two last points I will make, the AvA staff is not a "borg collective" we are individuals with different opinions. These are mine and I am responding because this is my setup.
Lastly, everyone wants a decent population in the AvA. No one wants to log into an empty arena.
So where do you think these people are going to come from?
Think about that before you ridicule the MA players.
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I am member of VMF-222, but I speak for only myself.
We saw the notice last week of the impending battle in the AVA, posted it on our boards, and discussed our participation. The conversation was about, "this looks like fun", never did anone say, "hey lets go in there with our uberness and roll bases and win this war". It did look like there was a general plan and we thought that too looked like fun.
On Friday we had about 8 of us logged into the AVA. We flew as a squad. We attacked bases, killed enemy aircraft, covered each other and attempted to land safely, rearm, and go to battle again, as a squad. Frankly, we were in heaven. The setup was brillant as we could choose whick F4U aircraft type we wanted from the multitude of carriers. We got to fly our squads historical aircraft at will and engage with aircraft from the enemy of a proper type. We were tasked with missions that were, or could have been historically accurate. We were having a ball. Normally, Friday nights, would have found us in the FSO but it was an off week. As we chatted the general conversation was lauding the gameplay we had found and many expressed the desire to play here at least untill the scenario changed.
And then...............
The griefing started. Ironically the opening statement was "Don't bring that main arena BS into here, you guys ............................. ........................ and I'm better than any of of you because you guys......................... ............................. .you guys wont fight me fair because you guys......................... ................(ad infinitum).
Wow. Seriously took me by surprise. Thank you to the many arena regulars that supported our gameplay and reminded this individual that we were following the scenario set up and others were having fun too. Nothing would stop him.
Saturday evening. We log in again, same thing.
Sunday, I played in the main, wishing I could have been having fun in the AVA.
Thank you gentelmen. <S>
Z
yeah there are a few that can get annoying, I kinda got upset about a 5 v 1 the other day(when TdMetal and I upped m-16's to defend the v base) then I upped a A6m5b after we gotted bombed to bolivian( :rolleyes:) in which I was ho'd a cpl times but I didnt know you were going after that base. I wouldn't have complained about the ho's if I knew about the lvt's and the invisable wall I thought you were just shacking thre base a and furballing lol I didnt think you were trying to take it cuz I never saw lvt's untill after we had been going at it for like an hr, but back to my original post I think I know who you're talking about and thwe game is much better if ya squealch him, he always has something to say,complain about or order you to do.
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Thanks, Jimson. That explains everything.
It's good to know there's a reason why you don't have the unwritten rules posted. Though I don't agree with it, I can understand HTC's logic.
I just don't see it as creating an 'us versus them' mentality to say 'side based combat is frowned upon in this arena.' It's a statement of fact, people will know what they're getting into from the get-go, and I would think it would lessen friction. But, it's not my house, I just visit once in a while.
Wiley.
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If I may, Jimson, "Orders" are part of the scenario immersion and are intended to guide the game for the week's scenario. Out in the real world, operations like these were/are developed by command planning staffs. If approved, the orders are prepared in a frag format and distributed to the combat units for execution. Since we, in game, are paying to play, there's no obligation to "follow orders" as is required in the military.
Jimson's scenarios have a more immersive read to them and thus "orders". So, we as paying customers can follow orders, or guidance (if that is more palatable) or not.
As far as "Gentlemen's Rules" goes, it's not intended to be disparaging towards the MAs or SEAs. The thing that attracted me to the AvA is the environment of civility and gentlemanly behavior that exists. Frankly, I got fed up with the childish and inconsiderate behavior that was consistent elsewhere. The vast majority of AvA players demonstrate a like minded way of playing the game and don't need to brow beat anyone else into their style of play. Those who have a burning need to be disruptive and disrespectful for their own purposes are in some sort of a bad place in life. This is displayed when they show up in a public forum and act as if there is no accountability.
So, Gentlemen's Rules tend to develop as a natural state of the environment and enable individuals to self police themselves. When one strays of track a bit, another gentleman will remind with peer pressure and the issue is solved with common courtesy and respect vs abusive smack talk and insults. So, anything disparaging is reflected on the individual not one of the many available arenas. :salute
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The griefing started. Ironically the opening statement was "Don't bring that main arena BS into here, you guys ............................. ........................ and I'm better than any of of you because you guys......................... ............................. .you guys wont fight me fair because you guys......................... ................(ad infinitum).
Wow. Seriously took me by surprise. Thank you to the many arena regulars that supported our gameplay and reminded this individual that we were following the scenario set up and others were having fun too. Nothing would stop him.
Saturday evening. We log in again, same thing.
Sunday, I played in the main, wishing I could have been having fun in the AVA.
Thank you gentelmen. <S>
Z
as an interested observer, I can't help but wonder how/why this individual was able to force you out of the AvA when you had been having a fun time?
you should never let someone else's selfish narrow minded opinion dictate how you fly! fly for own enjoyment.
if you really liked flying in the AvA you shouldn't let yourself be forced out so easily :salute
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as an interested observer, I can't help but wonder how/why this individual was able to force you out of the AvA when you had been having a fun time?
you should never let someone else's selfish narrow minded opinion dictate how you fly! fly for own enjoyment.
if you really liked flying in the AvA you shouldn't let yourself be forced out so easily :salute
Well, being told by a fairly active regular (judging by his rank) upon entering an arena 'Your style of play isn't what this arena is about.' carries some weight.
Wiley.
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'Your style of play isn't what this arena is about.'
that's such a popular refrain amongst the vocal 'elites' of Aces High that I would have thought everyone would be immune to it by now ;>
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Dont let rank dictate anything. Anyone could go in today play for an hour and capture the rank of #1 with ease. I liked it when the rank was turned off, it really serves no purpose in this arena anyway.
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Well, being told by a fairly active regular (judging by his rank) upon entering an arena 'Your style of play isn't what this arena is about.' carries some weight.
Wiley.
just tell the person, you'll play his way when he starts paying for your subscription. People like him i just ignore right off the bat, then hit .squelch and he's gone.
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Ah. Apologies. I wasn't making myself clear.
It was no skin off my nose, I'm about as thick-skinned as they come. My internal monologue went roughly similar to Coombz, grumpy, and Zoom's posts, except Zoom's came first. The rank comment was only mentioned as something that was noticed. The guys that generally get rank hang around a lot.
I was just pointing out that among the guys we were uncertain what the standards of play were and the loudest indication of anything was meou.
Wiley.
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just tell the person, you'll play his way when he starts paying for your subscription. People like him i just ignore right off the bat, then hit .squelch and he's gone.
Good point! ".squelch" certainly makes the game play more pleasant when someone is being offensive. As a technique, it might be an effective response if everyone .squelched the one guy who happens to be the irritant. Then the guy would effectively be standing in his own closet, harassing himself and having no affect on anyone else. It's all about what you choose to listen to.
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I am member of VMF-222, but I speak for only myself.
We saw the notice last week of the impending battle in the AVA, posted it on our boards, and discussed our participation. The conversation was about, "this looks like fun", never did anone say, "hey lets go in there with our uberness and roll bases and win this war". It did look like there was a general plan and we thought that too looked like fun.
On Friday we had about 8 of us logged into the AVA. We flew as a squad. We attacked bases, killed enemy aircraft, covered each other and attempted to land safely, rearm, and go to battle again, as a squad. Frankly, we were in heaven. The setup was brillant as we could choose whick F4U aircraft type we wanted from the multitude of carriers. We got to fly our squads historical aircraft at will and engage with aircraft from the enemy of a proper type. We were tasked with missions that were, or could have been historically accurate. We were having a ball. Normally, Friday nights, would have found us in the FSO but it was an off week. As we chatted the general conversation was lauding the gameplay we had found and many expressed the desire to play here at least untill the scenario changed.
And then...............
The griefing started. Ironically the opening statement was "Don't bring that main arena BS into here, you guys ............................. ........................ and I'm better than any of of you because you guys......................... ............................. .you guys wont fight me fair because you guys......................... ................(ad infinitum).
Wow. Seriously took me by surprise. Thank you to the many arena regulars that supported our gameplay and reminded this individual that we were following the scenario set up and others were having fun too. Nothing would stop him.
Saturday evening. We log in again, same thing.
Sunday, I played in the main, wishing I could have been having fun in the AVA.
Thank you gentelmen. <S>
Z
Yeah, I was in there Saturday night and was a part of the taking of A30 (I also porked the ords at A8 to keep the carriers safe.) It was a good time and an intense battle.
Then something happened...
It seems that a whole slew of defenders logged off leaving the numbers very lopsided in favor of the Navy guys. Instead of switching sides to even out the fight, (I find this to be a big need for the arena) the Navy guys used the numerical superiority to steamroll bases. This is what started to irk some people.
Then I noticed something else happening...
As soon as the P-51's and P-47's were available, all the "Navy guys" started flying them in their typical BnZ, 5v1, HO-you-till-you-die fashion. This irked me a little, but not too badly. Especially since a few of us were mopping the floor with the Allies, even going so far as to start a base take of our own. I got tired and went to bed.
In a nutshell: Lopsided steamrolling is lame, but so is whining about it. Just get into your plane and get to the business of killin.
:salute
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As soon as the P-51's and P-47's were available, all the "Navy guys" started flying them in their typical BnZ, 5v1, HO-you-till-you-die fashion. This irked me a little, but not too badly. Especially since a few of us were mopping the floor with the Allies, even going so far as to start a base take of our own. I got tired and went to bed.
Ive flown the pony from the start, even doing the 30 min flight from the far islands to get it to the mainland. Ive encountered some good fights, but the majority of Japs ive seen are nothing but HO'ing nikki's.
Theres problems on both sides of the bridge.
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Melvin, we ask for your forgiveness and patience. Us "Navy guys" are in a squad so we were waiting and hoping more players or another squad would come in and appose us. We learned from this and now know that we will have to switch sides to keep it balanced. We have already discussed this on our squad message board today. Because we had so much fun there we are very willing to do the work to fit in, grow the arena, and have even more fun with new friends.
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Because we had so much fun there we are very willing to do the work to fit in, grow the arena, and have even more fun with new friends.
This is most excellent.
Will try to get in there tonight.
- oldman
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Why is only the p38 G model selectable?
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Oops, that is an error, was supposed to be the L model. Will correct this.
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Melvin, we ask for your forgiveness and patience. Us "Navy guys" are in a squad so we were waiting and hoping more players or another squad would come in and appose us. We learned from this and now know that we will have to switch sides to keep it balanced. We have already discussed this on our squad message board today. Because we had so much fun there we are very willing to do the work to fit in, grow the arena, and have even more fun with new friends.
Kudos Zoney to you and your crew. The Pigs had to go thru this adjustment as well Sir.
:salute
Way
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Melvin, we ask for your forgiveness and patience. Us "Navy guys" are in a squad so we were waiting and hoping more players or another squad would come in and appose us. We learned from this and now know that we will have to switch sides to keep it balanced. We have already discussed this on our squad message board today. Because we had so much fun there we are very willing to do the work to fit in, grow the arena, and have even more fun with new friends.
Thats great to hear
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Melvin, we ask for your forgiveness and patience. Us "Navy guys" are in a squad so we were waiting and hoping more players or another squad would come in and appose us. We learned from this and now know that we will have to switch sides to keep it balanced. We have already discussed this on our squad message board today. Because we had so much fun there we are very willing to do the work to fit in, grow the arena, and have even more fun with new friends.
Kudos to VMF-222 and Zoney for not coming back to the bbs and simply telling us that it's their $15, and we can all shove it. :)
Some guys talk about "Gentleman's rules" and that sort of thing, but to me the big deal is in keeping sides relatively even. So I read this post this morning, and I got to thinking about it on the way to work. (Long, boring drive.) I started thinking, "What kind of incentive is there for a squad to split up in the AVA?" I came up with what I believe are two good reasons to send pilots to the opposing side. I feel these reasons will suit any squad, but at the moment they are directed at the Navy Guys.
A) It gives one the opportunity to get a feel for the strengths and weaknesses of an enemy aircraft that one might otherwise not fly very often. Consider it to be extremely valuable intelligence.
B) Use the AVA as a sort of "Top Gun" situation. By having more experienced pilots flying enemy aircraft and using enemy doctrine, it provides the opportunity to teach and evaluate other squad members in the art of dispatching said enemy aircraft.
Once again, thanks for the response and I hope to see you all again. I've got to eat and rack out now. 0300 comes awful early.
:salute
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A) It gives one the opportunity to get a feel for the strengths and weaknesses of an enemy aircraft that one might otherwise not fly very often. Consider it to be extremely valuable intelligence.
B) Use the AVA as a sort of "Top Gun" situation. By having more experienced pilots flying enemy aircraft and using enemy doctrine, it provides the opportunity to teach and evaluate other squad members in the art of dispatching said enemy aircraft.
Once again, thanks for the response and I hope to see you all again. I've got to eat and rack out now. 0300 comes awful early.
C) Sometimes it's just fun to fly against and shoot at the guys you normally fly along side.
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Kudos to VMF-222 and Zoney for not coming back to the bbs and simply telling us that it's their $15, and we can all shove it. :)
Some guys talk about "Gentleman's rules" and that sort of thing, but to me the big deal is in keeping sides relatively even. So I read this post this morning, and I got to thinking about it on the way to work. (Long, boring drive.) I started thinking, "What kind of incentive is there for a squad to split up in the AVA?" I came up with what I believe are two good reasons to send pilots to the opposing side. I feel these reasons will suit any squad, but at the moment they are directed at the Navy Guys.
A) It gives one the opportunity to get a feel for the strengths and weaknesses of an enemy aircraft that one might otherwise not fly very often. Consider it to be extremely valuable intelligence.
B) Use the AVA as a sort of "Top Gun" situation. By having more experienced pilots flying enemy aircraft and using enemy doctrine, it provides the opportunity to teach and evaluate other squad members in the art of dispatching said enemy aircraft.
Once again, thanks for the response and I hope to see you all again. I've got to eat and rack out now. 0300 comes awful early.
:salute
you forgot one thing. your own squaddies will give you the best and fairest fight, they will abide by gentlemans rules and they will help you get better. you cant get that from others. JG54 always split up for those reasons, and those reasons alone.
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you forgot one thing. your own squaddies will give you the best and fairest fight, they will abide by gentlemans rules and they will help you get better. you cant get that from others. JG54 always split up for those reasons, and those reasons alone.
I do it because i like killing jeager.... :x