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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tec on September 28, 2011, 11:03:33 PM
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All I can say is..... :O
And the Sox tank it, and the Rays WIN!!!
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Braves epic collapse as well. Cardinals came back from the grave this past month to sneak in to the playoffs.
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EPIC COLLAPSE
diddlying RedSox deserve this. Every last one of them. Papelbon is a overhyped piece of toejam. Francona can't coach to save his life.
diddly them. They are one sorry bellybutton organization to collapse like they did this September.
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How bout them Orioles, the Sox kryptonite. The played one hell of a September for a team that ended up 69-93. Go J.J. Hardy, go Orioles. Hope they have a good year in 2012.
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Rays win!!! Yaaaahooooo!!
And... The braves lost... Can't win everything I guess
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I was watching both games tonight. Both games were extremely exciting. The Orioles won with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th and the Rays hit a tying home run in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs and 2 strikes. Both were great games.
But it really doesn't matter cause the Rangers are going to win it all :neener:
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EPIC COLLAPSE
uplifting RedSox deserve this. Every last one of them. Papelbon is a overhyped piece of toejam. Francona can't coach to save his life.
uplift them. They are one sorry bellybutton organization to collapse like they did this September.
:rofl full of Bodhisms
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LOL @ Boston.
AL teams suck anyway due to the fact that they tried to ruin baseball with the DH.
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Tito doesn't suck, Theo Epstein sucks. He hasn't brought in any good talent from free agency since 03. Lackey, Bedard, and Wakefield for your rotation, hell, put any manager in there and your going to lose.
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And the Cards were like 6 runs a head last night. I'm just guessing they win and tie Atlanta?
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And the Cards were like 6 runs a head last night. I'm just guessing they win and tie Atlanta?
no atlanta lost. Cards in, atlanta out.
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YAY CARDS!
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I was watching both games tonight. Both games were extremely exciting. The Orioles won with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th and the Rays hit a tying home run in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs and 2 strikes. Both were great games.
But it really doesn't matter cause the Rangers are going to win it all :neener:
I'll make sure my wife has a cup of coffee ready for ya when you wake up...
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Phillies%209_17_11/NewBarb_Phils.jpg)
102-60 and...
we have our pitcher back that you were borrowing for a while.
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LOL @ Boston.
AL teams suck anyway due to the fact that they tried to ruin baseball with the DH.
How does a DH "ruin baseball"? Most pitchers don't hit in college, or the minor leagues for that matter until double a and triple a. It's usually just a free out at the end of the lineup, save the occasional bunts and hits. I don't see how having that is good for baseball. The football analogical equivalent would be forcing the kicker to play defense for a set of downs after he kicks off.
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It's too bad Tec, I used to like you :furious
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So I saw the DH rule walking down the street the other day. Richard Simmons rolled by on his Vespa and called it a queer.
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How does a DH "ruin baseball"? Most pitchers don't hit in college, or the minor leagues for that matter until double a and triple a. It's usually just a free out at the end of the lineup, save the occasional bunts and hits. I don't see how having that is good for baseball. The football analogical equivalent would be forcing the kicker to play defense for a set of downs after he kicks off.
One reason is that it takes the strategy out of the 9th spot in the order:
It's the bottom of the 8th, 0-0. You have a runner on third with two outs. Your starting pitcher stands in. Do you pull a starting pitcher flirting with a shutout to put in a pinch-hitter to go for that potential game-winning run? Or do you let your pitcher swing away and take a chance? What do you do, Jack? What do you do?
The DH was ENTIRELY a marketing ploy in the 70s to generate more revenue at games by inflating the offense. It was one of THE major contributors to the Steroid Era and led to a proliferation of guys like David Ortiz whose ONLY contribution is being able to hit the ball far, but otherwise can't play the game worth a damn. Can you HONESTLY tell me a guy like that deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Ruth or Aaron, damn good hitters who actually played the WHOLE game?
Oh, and Ruth started his career as a pitcher. They put him in the field to get his bat in the lineup EVERY game, instead of every 4th or 5th. There's also plenty of hurlers in MLB today that can really swing a bat.
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Hey, how 'bout them Phillies?
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So I saw the DH rule walking down the street the other day. Richard Simmons rolled by on his Vespa and called it a queer.
I was going to respond to grizz, then this came up and said it all.
:salute
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Hey, how 'bout them Phillies?
Cardinals are red hot, I wouldn't start counting my chickens just yet.
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I was going to respond to grizz, then this came up and said it all.
:salute
Just poking fun at my homeslice. But even though hes a dirty redbirds fan Saxman summed it up pretty well.
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How does a DH "ruin baseball"? Most pitchers don't hit in college, or the minor leagues for that matter until double a and triple a. It's usually just a free out at the end of the lineup, save the occasional bunts and hits. I don't see how having that is good for baseball. The football analogical equivalent would be forcing the kicker to play defense for a set of downs after he kicks off.
Make them slews play offense, love watching this replay by my favorite player ever. RIP :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1mW3DrXsPg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1mW3DrXsPg)
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Just poking fun at my homeslice. But even though hes a dirty redbirds fan Saxman summed it up pretty well.
Fine.One reason is that it takes the strategy out of the 9th spot in the order:
It's the bottom of the 8th, 0-0. You have a runner on third with two outs. Your starting pitcher stands in. Do you pull a starting pitcher flirting with a shutout to put in a pinch-hitter to go for that potential game-winning run? Or do you let your pitcher swing away and take a chance? What do you do, Jack? What do you do?
The DH was ENTIRELY a marketing ploy in the 70s to generate more revenue at games by inflating the offense. It was one of THE major contributors to the Steroid Era and led to a proliferation of guys like David Ortiz whose ONLY contribution is being able to hit the ball far, but otherwise can't play the game worth a damn. Can you HONESTLY tell me a guy like that deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Ruth or Aaron, damn good hitters who actually played the WHOLE game?
Oh, and Ruth started his career as a pitcher. They put him in the field to get his bat in the lineup EVERY game, instead of every 4th or 5th. There's also plenty of hurlers in MLB today that can really swing a bat.
Not bad for a Card fan...
I'm still pulling for Philly at this point. (Again :cry )
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One reason is that it takes the strategy out of the 9th spot in the order:
It's the bottom of the 8th, 0-0. You have a runner on third with two outs. Your starting pitcher stands in. Do you pull a starting pitcher flirting with a shutout to put in a pinch-hitter to go for that potential game-winning run? Or do you let your pitcher swing away and take a chance? What do you do, Jack? What do you do?
The DH was ENTIRELY a marketing ploy in the 70s to generate more revenue at games by inflating the offense. It was one of THE major contributors to the Steroid Era and led to a proliferation of guys like David Ortiz whose ONLY contribution is being able to hit the ball far, but otherwise can't play the game worth a damn. Can you HONESTLY tell me a guy like that deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Ruth or Aaron, damn good hitters who actually played the WHOLE game?
Oh, and Ruth started his career as a pitcher. They put him in the field to get his bat in the lineup EVERY game, instead of every 4th or 5th. There's also plenty of hurlers in MLB today that can really swing a bat.
Valid points. I don't agree though. Pitchers hit batting practice maybe twice a week, position players hit every single day, sometimes twice a day. All they do is hit, they've been doing it their entire career. It's their job. Pitchers job is to pitch. Entire workout routines, daily maintenance routines are based on what position you play. Bullpens, arm maintenance, conditioning, long toss, is a pitchers regiment. Pitchers in today's game aren't hitters. Pitchers do not hit in the minor leagues below double A and only hit in Double A versus national league teams. Most college pitchers do not hit in college. The ones that do are very rare. Name me 5 current pitchers that are good hitters. Zambrano, Micah Owings, umm who else? It's rare.
I don't think it's very interesting strategy that a manager has to decide whether to take a pitcher out who is throwing a gem because he doesn't know how to hit and stands no chance with crucial runs in scoring position. In fact, it's kind of a stupid decision to have to make, like what would you rather do, eat a crap sandwich, or hang out with Tec for a weekend. Just mind numbingly painful.
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Valid points. I don't agree though. Pitchers hit batting practice maybe twice a week, position players hit every single day, sometimes twice a day. All they do is hit, they've been doing it their entire career. It's their job. Pitchers job is to pitch. Entire workout routines, daily maintenance routines are based on what position you play. Bullpens, arm maintenance, conditioning, long toss, is a pitchers regiment. Pitchers in today's game aren't hitters. Pitchers do not hit in the minor leagues below double A and only hit in Double A versus national league teams. Most college pitchers do not hit in college. The ones that do are very rare. Name me 5 current pitchers that are good hitters. Zambrano, Micah Owings, umm who else? It's rare.
I don't think it's very interesting strategy that a manager has to decide whether to take a pitcher out who is throwing a gem because he doesn't know how to hit and stands no chance with crucial runs in scoring position. In fact, it's kind of a stupid decision to have to make, like what would you rather do, eat a crap sandwich, or hang out with Tec for a weekend. Just mind numbingly painful.
Cliff Lee. :neener:
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Um, Cliff lee has a career .168 batting average with 2 walks and 53 strike outs. He's having a career year this season, hitting .200. He still only has drawn 1 walk and has 26 strikeouts. Wow what an offensive stud Krup. :rolleyes:
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Braves epic collapse as well. Cardinals came back from the grave this past month to sneak in to the playoffs.
I dont want to hear it. =/
Everything ATL as far as sports right now is an epic fail.
Bulldogs, Braves and falcons.
Only team playing worth a crap is GT.
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I dont want to hear it. =/
Everything ATL as far as sports right now is an epic fail.
Bulldogs, Braves and falcons.
Only team playing worth a crap is GT.
Who are the bulldogs?
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Um, Cliff lee has a career .168 batting average with 2 walks and 53 strike outs. He's having a career year this season, hitting .200. He still only has drawn 1 walk and has 26 strikeouts. Wow what an offensive stud Krup. :rolleyes:
I can name three just from recent St. Louis history without even needing to think about it:
Jason Maquis - Lifetime .273
Jeff Suppan - Lifetime .285
Adam Wainright - Lifetime .244
All they do is hit, they've been doing it their entire career. It's their job.
Uh, yeah, it's also their job to be able to PLAY THEIR POSITION IN THE FIELD. Ozzie Smith wasn't nearly one of the best hitters in the history of the game at his position, but put together a list of the greatest shortstops of all time, and if he's not at the TOP of the list itself, he's damn well among the leaders because of what he did with his GLOVE. By contrast Mike Piazza was a HORRIBLE catcher. He was a great hitter, yes, but SO WHAT? He was an absolute liability behind the plate and quite frequently showed it, and that is NOT a position you want to sacrifice your defense (great catchers win more games with their glove than they EVER do with their bats).
So what the hell, why not go the football route and have completely separate offensive and defensive lines! Stack whole teams full of Bondses, Cansecos and Ortizes. Baseball is all about the home run ball, right? Because that's the ONLY reason the DH was ever brought in in the first place: to promote a single aspect of the game at the expense of others (and for those of you who think the DH makes AL teams automatically superior, I once did a World Series win calculation of the periods prior to and after the DH was introduced. IT DID NOT CHANGE. The AL won the same % of games AFTER the DH as they did BEFORE it. Tim McCarver needs to remember that fact before the next time he starts humping the AL's leg over it). Any time you see a team sacrifice defense for power, more often than not they pay a stiff price for it with plays not being made, and runs being given up that can make all the difference in the world (that's why it's almost always pitching and DEFENSE that decide playoff games).
What the DH gives you are players who only play HALF the game: Hitters who never have to take the field and couldn't play worth a damn even if they DID, and pitchers who never have to dig in. Even the BENCH guys who might get an At-Bat once a week have to be able to play both sides of the game, so why should pitchers be any different?
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Um, Cliff lee has a career .168 batting average with 2 walks and 53 strike outs. He's having a career year this season, hitting .200. He still only has drawn 1 walk and has 26 strikeouts. Wow what an offensive stud Krup. :rolleyes:
I tried. :D
Oh, don't forget those two HRs. :)
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Adam Wainwright - Lifetime AVG-.223 OBP-.254 SLG-.333 OPS-.586 That's atrocious.
Jason Marquis - Lifetime Avg-0.197 OBP-.326 SLG-.283 OPS-.499 Beyond atrocious
He actually had one maybe two good hitting years in STL, he's blown before and ever since.
Jeff Suppan - Lifetime Avg-0.174 OBP-0.221 SLG-0.238 OBS-0.465 So beyond atrocious you can't even see the line for atrocious.
As for the rest of your post, you can't compare the game now to the game then. It's completely different. I hate to say but, Ozzie Smith would be an average Shortstop value wise in today's game. Just look at his stats. Defense is overvalued past a certain point. Making unbelievable plays is great and all but they are rare to happen and 0 for 4 days at the plate are much too common. The rise of sabermetrics have helped show a player's true value. If Mike Piazza was such a liability like you said, then why did teams pay him so much money to play for them and crush bombs? Jose Canseco played outfield most of his career, not DH.
From the first random article I found on the subject:
Don't be misled, though. In modern-day baseball, being the "best-hitting pitcher" is like being the world's fastest snail. Last year's stat line for the Cubs staff: a combined .201 batting average, .220 on-base percentage, and .302 slugging percentage. These are the numbers that give the Cubs such an advantage over the competition?
As the game gets tougher, the pool of two-way players dwindles. In Little League, the best player usually pitches and plays shortstop. The same is true, to a lesser extent, in high school, where raw athletic skill is more likely to prevail over specific, learned abilities: The cleanup hitter might not only be the pitcher, but also the point guard and the starting quarterback. A few collegiate stars—Dave Winfield, Mark Kotsay, John Olerud, and Mark McGwire, for instance—star on the mound and at the plate each year. But when pro teams get their hands on a rare pitcher-hitter combo, they usually make him focus on the batter's box.
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Phillies: 1
Cardinals: 0
:D
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http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19809519&partnerId=aw-8515112229686178340-1040
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GO TIGERS! I'll be there Tomorrow Night.
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Phillies: 1
Cardinals: 0
:D
1-1 :P
Cardinals have been doing this all season long: They drop the first game in the set, but come back hard to win the series. This isn't a team that's going to roll over and die for anyone.
On another subject, I get a HUGE kick out of the playoff flashback rally/promo ad TBS and Fox keep showing for the Brewers. All the clips they use for the flashbacks are from the '82 Series. Which they, y'know, LOST. To St. Louis. Not exactly something to make you feel encouraged. Someone failed to do their research when putting that together.
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Watching Cliff Lee and Carpenter try to hit last night made me laugh after this mini debate. :D
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Watching Pujols trying to run the bases is even funnier. He thinks he is Lou Brock! :rolleyes:
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Watching Pujols trying to run the bases is even funnier. He thinks he is Lou Brock! :rolleyes:
Ha, he is injured.
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Even more reason to not do this, and he has done it all year. It is amazing how many times he gets away with it though. :D
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I hate to say but, Ozzie Smith would be an average Shortstop value wise in today's game.
Did you ever see Ozzie play IRL with your own eyes ? The man was easily one the the greatest shortstops to play the game . If not for "stats" (sabremetrics be damned) then for just the sheer joy of watching the way he played the position . His style of play drew many fans to the park and I would argue made his "value" to the team much higher than any set of comparative stats . Ozzie was not just a ballplayer he was a showman that knew how to make it look both easy and fun . If baseball had more players like him today , there would be a lot more butts in the seats come gametime .
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Ha, he is injured.
I loved the interview with Pujols after the game. When asked if the pain from his injury had to do with why he got caught up twice in one game he said "Pain? There's no pain in the postseason!" That was friggin' great!
Being that I live in STL I have no choice but to be a Cards fan but I have to be honest - I haven't even really followed the season at all this year but these last few weeks have gotten my attention again and I'm having fun!
It's also going to be a memorial post season for me. My dad is a HUGE Cards fan and since he's fighting cancer it doesn't look like he'll be with us to see the end of the season next year. I'm really hoping that we win it all and I'm looking forward to watching these next few games with him while he's still in decent enough health. Watching the Cards come back to clench the wild card has really been an uplifting experience for him despite him finding out the bad news, recovering from surgery and being told that his days are numbered even if he does take well to chemo.
GO CARDS!
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I hate to say but, Ozzie Smith would be an average Shortstop value wise in today's game.
Did you ever see Ozzie play IRL with your own eyes ? The man was easily one the the greatest shortstops to play the game . If not for "stats" (sabremetrics be damned) then for just the sheer joy of watching the way he played the position . His style of play drew many fans to the park and I would argue made his "value" to the team much higher than any set of comparative stats . Ozzie was not just a ballplayer he was a showman that knew how to make it look both easy and fun . If baseball had more players like him today , there would be a lot more butts in the seats come gametime .
Alan Trammell should be in the HOF.
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I hate to say but, Ozzie Smith would be an average Shortstop value wise in today's game.
Did you ever see Ozzie play IRL with your own eyes ? The man was easily one the the greatest shortstops to play the game . If not for "stats" (sabremetrics be damned) then for just the sheer joy of watching the way he played the position . His style of play drew many fans to the park and I would argue made his "value" to the team much higher than any set of comparative stats . Ozzie was not just a ballplayer he was a showman that knew how to make it look both easy and fun . If baseball had more players like him today , there would be a lot more butts in the seats come gametime .
His stats show that he would currently be a slightly above average shortstop value wise. He definitely is fun to watch on the highlight reels.
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Are the Yankees gonna choke?
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I'll make sure my wife has a cup of coffee ready for ya when you wake up...
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/Phillies%209_17_11/NewBarb_Phils.jpg)
102-60 and...
we have our pitcher back that you were borrowing for a while.
You were saying?? :rofl :rofl
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Pretty sure I grew an ulcer today.
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Are the Yankees gonna choke?
This one's for you Krup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMpXAknykeg
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So much for the cockiness of Rollins and Howard, Philly fans, and the National Media. Three words came to mind going into tonight's game: "The Tigers in Three" (one day I'll find a copy of that paper....).
NEVER count out the other team in baseball.
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What would have made today even better would have been if the diomond backs managed to beat the Brewers. I was sure pulling for them.
Anyways the Rangers are gonna win it all :noid
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So much for the cockiness of Rollins and Howard, Philly fans, and the National Media. Three words came to mind going into tonight's game: "The Tigers in Three" (one day I'll find a copy of that paper....).
NEVER count out the other team in baseball.
How were they cocky?
I kinda called it from game 1 anyways, didn't really feel right.
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I didn't see any cockiness out of the Phillies at all. Rollins said "we can't lose" but I think the tone in which that was sad was more of just a confident comment based on how much they had been through together as a team. Phillies are a stand up team. I'm glad Carpenter made them look like fools though.
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Phillies are a stand up team indeed. They could have played the last couple of games in the season easy as they had clinched. But they played all out and allowed the Cards to slip into the playoffs. I think they would have rather played Atlanta, but their manager is old school. :cheers:
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EPIC COLLAPSE
uplifting RedSox deserve this. Every last one of them. Papelbon is a overhyped piece of toejam. Francona can't coach to save his life.
uplift them. They are one sorry bellybutton organization to collapse like they did this September.
Francona can't coach a team that won 2 WS in 4 years?
Someone is showing their closet fan side.