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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hotard on October 02, 2011, 10:15:46 PM
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The one of the jap pow camp in indo-china, at the end of the war when the japs had bugged out, and the prisoners were waiting to be liberated.. You know the one where they painted the sign on the roof "Japs Gone Extract Digit"???? I first saw that picture in a book when I was very young, and didn't understand it at all.. I askde dad, and I don't remember what he told me, but it wasn't exactly the correct interpretation.
It's kinda how ENY is working in the MA when a certain chess piece has 180 to 100 advantage in numbers and an eny that barely affects the planes they can fly.. Really HTC you need to extract digit and fix the eny formula as long as you have no other way to balance numbers.
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I know you're skill level doesn't allow it but try and learn to fly something other than a La7.
ack-ack
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Believe the Rooks had like 50 more people and an ENY od 2.0 tonight?
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Believe the Rooks had like 50 more people and an ENY od 2.0 tonight?
No, it was ENY Rooks 11-13 when I was on... :old:
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The one of the jap pow camp in indo-china, at the end of the war when the japs had bugged out, and the prisoners were waiting to be liberated.. You know the one where they painted the sign on the roof "Japs Gone Extract Digit"???? I first saw that picture in a book when I was very young, and didn't understand it at all.. I askde dad, and I don't remember what he told me, but it wasn't exactly the correct interpretation.
It's kinda how ENY is working in the MA when a certain chess piece has 180 to 100 advantage in numbers and an eny that barely affects the planes they can fly.. Really HTC you need to extract digit and fix the eny formula as long as you have no other way to balance numbers.
:headscratch: I'm lost here. Are you looking for that picture or are you complaining about the ENY? I don't understand what the two have incommon.
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Wow, that's a pretty long way to go to get around to an ENY whine. Kudos for the originality of the execution, but you lose points for the staleness of the whine subject. :aok It gets a solid 4. Thank you for your performance.
Switch sides if it's an issue, or did you switch to get the victory perks and were stuck for 12 hours?
Wiley.
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I don't know AkAk but I have to disagree with you on this one. Folks want to fly what they want to fly, for whatever reason. We pay 15 bucks a month to fly what we like, and some of us with limited online time can't do that. I worked all week getting my sounds, skins, gunsights etc. installed and really looked forward to flying a D pony on a saturday night for the first time in a year. Just to find out that I couldn't fly one because on ENY. And I was logged on until 2 or 3 am :mad:. Couldn't change sides because I switched from Nits earlier in the day to fly with my squadie Fugi and have a chance to fight you.
I logged back in today at noon and Rooks still had ENY. Again no 51d FOR ME :bhead I'm excited to be back flying again but damnit this is one of the reasons I got fed up with the game in the first place. I've tryed to learn other planes but the fact is I want to fly what I want because I love that plane like no other. You're favorite just happens to be a plane that can be flown most of the time. I could bet that if the 38s had a ENY value of a spixteen or LA7 and you were not allowed to fly, you wouldn't play. I just can't picture you in a P40. :old:
POTW were kicking arse at a base last night I was at and I'd no more get leveled out and here would come 4 or 5 of them from all directions. I didn't stand a chance in a bpony much less a B38. I was twisting and turning on the deck with spixteens only to be nailed by Doras, C205s and Zeros coming in from above. If I'm going to get mugged 3 minutes into every fight then damnit give me what I want to fly. it's a slap in the face to be paying money to play and not enjoy what I want to fly. I felt like I was paying 15 bucks a month to help the other guy enjoy HIS time online... because I sure as hell wasn't diggin' on it at all.
I understand the need for ENY, but it needs to be a zone ENY. I like to get in there and dogfight but I don't want to be forced to fight 262s, 51s and Spixteens in a Stuka, B5N or some 109 I don't even have views set up for.
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I don't know AkAk but I have to disagree with you on this one. Folks want to fly what they want to fly, for whatever reason. We pay 15 bucks a month to fly what we like, and some of us with limited online time can't do that. I worked all week getting my sounds, skins, gunsights etc. installed and really looked forward to flying a D pony on a saturday night for the first time in a year. Just to find out that I couldn't fly one because on ENY. And I was logged on until 2 or 3 am :mad:. Couldn't change sides because I switched from Nits earlier in the day to fly with my squadie Fugi and have a chance to fight you.
I logged back in today at noon and Rooks still had ENY. Again no 51d FOR ME :bhead I'm excited to be back flying again but damnit this is one of the reasons I got fed up with the game in the first place. I've tryed to learn other planes but the fact is I want to fly what I want because I love that plane like no other. You're favorite just happens to be a plane that can be flown most of the time. I could bet that if the 38s had a ENY value of a spixteen or LA7 and you were not allowed to fly, you wouldn't play. I just can't picture you in a P40. :old:
POTW were kicking arse at a base last night I was at and I'd no more get leveled out and here would come 4 or 5 of them from all directions. I didn't stand a chance in a bpony much less a B38. I was twisting and turning on the deck with spixteens only to be nailed by Doras, C205s and Zeros coming in from above. If I'm going to get mugged 3 minutes into every fight then damnit give me what I want to fly. it's a slap in the face to be paying money to play and not enjoy what I want to fly. I felt like I was paying 15 bucks a month to help the other guy enjoy HIS time online... because I sure as hell wasn't diggin' on it at all.
I understand the need for ENY, but it needs to be a zone ENY. I like to get in there and dogfight but I don't want to be forced to fight 262s, 51s and Spixteens in a Stuka, B5N or some 109 I don't even have views set up for.
I gotta agree with all of that. I personally don't switch sides anymore b/c my squad flies knights. But before I was in the squad I switched pretty regularly to go to GV fights or go to a low number side to build perkies faster. Then the 12 hour rule came along and messed up all my fun. Some of us actually enjoy fighting and HTC has taken away the ability to switch sides to go where the fight is. After all isn't this game about promoting fights?
I'm a huge hater of the ENY system as well. I don't care how many more players the other team has, they pay their $15/month I think they should be allowed to fly what they want and I should be allowed to fly what I want even when my team's numbers are high. Again, I thought this game was about promoting the fight.
These two systems seem to discourage fighting. i can't speak for everyone but I know when I don't have a fight on my side or the ENY is to high to fly or drive anything decent I log. Everytime.
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I don't know AkAk but I have to disagree with you on this one. Folks want to fly what they want to fly, for whatever reason. We pay 15 bucks a month to fly what we like, and some of us with limited online time can't do that. I worked all week getting my sounds, skins, gunsights etc. installed and really looked forward to flying a D pony on a saturday night for the first time in a year. Just to find out that I couldn't fly one because on ENY. And I was logged on until 2 or 3 am :mad:. Couldn't change sides because I switched from Nits earlier in the day to fly with my squadie Fugi and have a chance to fight you.
I logged back in today at noon and Rooks still had ENY. Again no 51d FOR ME :bhead I'm excited to be back flying again but damnit this is one of the reasons I got fed up with the game in the first place. I've tryed to learn other planes but the fact is I want to fly what I want because I love that plane like no other. You're favorite just happens to be a plane that can be flown most of the time. I could bet that if the 38s had a ENY value of a spixteen or LA7 and you were not allowed to fly, you wouldn't play. I just can't picture you in a P40. :old:
POTW were kicking arse at a base last night I was at and I'd no more get leveled out and here would come 4 or 5 of them from all directions. I didn't stand a chance in a bpony much less a B38. I was twisting and turning on the deck with spixteens only to be nailed by Doras, C205s and Zeros coming in from above. If I'm going to get mugged 3 minutes into every fight then damnit give me what I want to fly. it's a slap in the face to be paying money to play and not enjoy what I want to fly. I felt like I was paying 15 bucks a month to help the other guy enjoy HIS time online... because I sure as hell wasn't diggin' on it at all.
I understand the need for ENY, but it needs to be a zone ENY. I like to get in there and dogfight but I don't want to be forced to fight 262s, 51s and Spixteens in a Stuka, B5N or some 109 I don't even have views set up for.
That's a valid point. I actually have the same problem, one of the things that I look forward to when opening Aces High is flying the Spit14, and as you said quite often you can't do it because of the ENY. These days I have about ~10 hours a month of play and it really sucks when I can't fly the plane that I like. However I can't think of anything that would replace the ENY and perks, and we can't just remove them. So until someone comes up with a good idea to substitute ENY and perks we'll have to stick with what we got.
Hotard, you can't be blaming HTC for something that you don't like until you come up with a solution to the problem. By posting a complain you only identify the problem, than you expect HTC to be smarter than you and come up with a solution. Most of the time that's not going to work. If you really want to remove ENY or change it you need explain a new system that will take it's place. I tried thinking of one and came up with nothing, you don't see me posting threads saying "this sucks, change it!" I recommend you start thinking of a new system if the ENY really bothers you.
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Very good point zone eny sounds like a w inner imo :D
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Very good point zone eny sounds like a w inner imo :D
Local ENY has been suggested many times, but no one (that i know of) at HTC has ever acknowledged the idea. ENY as a system is a failure. There are a handful of side switchers who go where the fight is. The hardcore "win the war" types are undeterred by lack of choice. They fly the crappy planes in a horde just as effectively as they fly the good planes. A horde is a horde. They dont care what plane they take. The only thing that can salvage ENY imo is to make anything that carries troops much lower ENY than it is. Maybe if they lose their precious troops, they will think twice...if that doesn't work, we need to scrap the ENY limiter system completely, and start over from scratch. Maybe with a well thought out strat system, and some other objectives than just capturing bases....something that would break up the horde a bit. I dont have the answers. I wish i did. All i know is that the current system doesn't work, because no matter how bad eny gets, people dont switch. The ones who do switch are offset by the people from the other countries who switch to the hording country because they like being in the horde, not a victim of it. You see it all the time when a country is about to win the war...the imbalance gets even greater because people give up.
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cheap jet vs tbms = dead horde
mmm cheap jet
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Akak, idk why was this needed. Even tho we got a consensus about his skills, you missed his point badly.
Anyway, increase the effect of eny would be totally useless unless theres a major change in the 12 hours thingy. Think about it.
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190 A-8 = 30 ENY
30mm or 2 x 20mm guns = dead enemy plane and a nice handful of perks
whines on 200 from the horde about being lame and flying a tater plane or how the A-8 is not correct in it's current ENY slot = priceless
:aok
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190 A-8 = 30 ENY
30mm or 2 x 20mm guns = dead enemy plane and a nice handful of perks
whines on 200 from the horde about being lame and flying a tater plane or how the A-8 is not correct in it's current ENY slot = priceless
:aok
Most 109 = 30+ ENY too :D (K4 and G14 are the only two under 30). 109's can keep up with most planes, turn with most planes, and out-climb most planes. It just takes a bit more skill to fly, but it's a good way to test your skills and get better.
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I'd like to see the ENY kick in a bit quicker. First, the Me262, Tempest, Spit16, and P51D would all get an even lower ENY (2-4 range), then aircraft like the La7, George, F4U-4, and a few others would get a step lower as well. The scale needs to be adjusted and spread out with more steps, there are too many interval steps of 5, imo.
But on that note, I suggest people learn the 109's as someone else already suggested. They are quite capable aircraft once a few of the minor Achilles heels are learned (and avoided), and the better attributes are capitalized on those 109's can hang with anything if flown in their performance window.
The 109F-4, albeit a single 20mm cannon w/ 200 rounds and dual 8mm MG's, the plane is quite agile. The 109G-2 is the same thing, but ever-so-slightly less agile but that much faster. The G-6 is the most stable and easy to fly but being slightly slower and a wee bit less capable in the turn and climb. The E-4 is... well.... an average aircraft in the EW and I'll leave it at that. ;) The G-14 and K-4 are the heavy hitters with the 30mm option, and their ability to climb is second to none. Keep in mind that the G-2 is faster than the G-14. ;) Oh, and leave the gondolas off unless your in jabo or bomber hunter mode. :)
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But on that note, I suggest people learn the 109's as someone else already suggested
The 109Gs arent as easy as you think. Every time i jump into any other ride (well, except the p39-p40) i almost feel like cheating.
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LOL akak (aka I can't fly anythiing that's not a p-38) ragging me about my la?? pleeezzzeee. Dude when was the last year you actually posted something on the bbs that wasn't a lame attempt at a troll? Go find another ankle, mine is getting sore.
While the eny as a whole does several things: restricts plane choices, modifys perk costs, and points. by making it a straight percentage, it gets over applied when the numbers are low; I mean why hamstring a side when overall numbers are low, it's not like 5-10 guys are a game changer, but when the numbers are high ie +80 on a side it is under applied and isn't a sufficient penalty. We see on a regular basis a 50 player differential and eny <5. Why does this matter? Because it discourages the undermaned side, and causes an increase in side switchers who would rather operate under a modest eny rather than face long odds; inssestant hordes etc.
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Akak, idk why was this needed. Even tho we got a consensus about his skills, you missed his point badly.
Anyway, increase the effect of eny would be totally useless unless theres a major change in the 12 hours thingy. Think about it.
Opinions vary. U and hackhack a consensus??
Debrody, you are a good stick, no need to troll. Personaly I feel like I'm cheating when I fly 109's. Ditto for KI's. Hats off to the guys who can dance in F4U's and 51's. I will say this for AKAK at least he knows his limitations and ALWAYS stays above the fight.
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lulz
fail, hotard
im not a good stik, but your name suits you very well. If the 109g is superior to the lghey, i gonna eat my hat.
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P38's do not have nearly the same performance envelope, speed, and firepower that the LA's do.
They are almost like a bomber. They even have a steering wheel... :noid
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190 A-8 = 30 ENY
30mm or 2 x 20mm guns = dead enemy plane and a nice handful of perks
whines on 200 from the horde about being lame and flying a tater plane or how the A-8 is not correct in it's current ENY slot = priceless
:aok
I'm about as eager to get into that thing as you are a 51, but I may be forced to try one. :(
I did try out a C202 this morning.......I think I embarrassed myself :uhoh
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P38's do not have nearly the same performance envelope, speed, and firepower that the LA's do.
They are almost like a bomber. They even have a steering wheel... :noid
La's performance envelope is pretty small, bellow 5K and between 300&400mph.
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Hotard, what's wrong with La-5?
It's got 20 ENY and handle almost like the La-7.
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Opinions vary. U and hackhack a consensus??
...... I will say this for AKAK at least he knows his limitations and ALWAYS stays above the fight.
If I had just a 1/4 of his "limitations" I wouldn't feel the need to post in this thread.
Anyway Hotard, if you want to validate your point you're going to have to let some comments side and not get sidetracked by them. Ribbing and ragging comes with the territory when ya post about ENY, hoardes and such. Rise above it man and help me, help you make the point here. So far the German flyers are winning this debate :cheers:
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If I had just a 1/4 of his "limitations" I wouldn't feel the need to post in this thread.
Anyway Hotard, if you want to validate your point you're going to have to let some comments side and not get sidetracked by them. Ribbing and ragging comes with the territory when ya post about ENY, hoardes and such. Rise above it man and help me, help you make the point here. So far the German flyers are winning this debate :cheers:
Ahh where to begin.
Any post relating to issues with the game in any form shape or fashion bring out the usual troll punks, it was to be expected. I could have placed money in Vegas as to who the flamers would be.
re ENY:
1. In the end HTC will ignore this as they ignore all constructive criticism that doesn't come from the chosen few.
Its the same reason a 51D has eny of what? 5? 8?; 109K4 eny 20.
re LA's:
The 5 is actually a bit better in maneuvering than the 7, but I prefer the 7 so I can catch those runstangs, 38's, 109's,f4u's etc. etc. that won't engage.
Hmm.. LA v 38 performance... no advantage in climb rate, turn rate, esp. as the 38 has a bigger envelope to deploy flaps. better roll rate perhaps. Firepower I'd rate about equal, they both slice and dice anything in their way, and don't have to worry about convergence. LA faster in the weeds, not above abt 5k. 38 retains energy better, better acceleration.
Rather doubt I've ho'ed you Debrody, I rather enjoy out flying 109's.
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Ok so here's my suggestion for an revised eny formula:
when your country has a given amount of players in excess of the lowest countries amount:
0-10 no eny
for every player above 10 +.25 eny up to a 20 player advantage i.e. with a 20 player advantage your eny would be 5.0
for 21-30 player advantage an additional .5 eny or at 30 player advantage, your eny would be 10.
beyond 30 player advantage eny is +1 for each additional player. i.e. at 40 player advantage eny is 20, up to the max eny penalty.
Another suggestion is get rid of the 12 hour side switch.. it seems to have had the unintended effect of keeping players on the overmaned side in place rather than encouraging them to switch to a more advantageous eny country, since they would be stuck there for 12 hours (log on time).
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Dude
ok i might be a bit rude
but think about it.
Trust me, the la5 handles exactly the same as the la7. If you take a look on the changelog between theese two aircrafts, you will realize, why.
I made my tests a year ago: the la series clearly outperform the p38s in everything but prop hanging ability. Do an offline test if you dont trust in me. Also theres a wonderful plane vs plane comprasion chart right on the main page... wanna me to post that? Also see Doc Gonzo's site... P38s full flap turn radius is around 520 feet, the la's one is about 450... if you cant outmaneuver a 38 in an la7, they are hackhacking for sure : )
Im flying a ride what has a top speed of 337 at sea level, yet youre complaining about players dont wanna engage your 355mph la5 so youre flying the 377mph la7... haha
Even tho somehow i can agree with your point about the eny, youre working against yourself.
Edit if you ever could outmaneuver me... i gonna eat my hat. Not couse im that good... im friggen lame.
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if you cant outmaneuver a 38 in an la7, they are hackhacking for sure
Except for turn rate, the La7 and La5 holds all the cards below 8k, including top speed, acceleration, climb rate, and roll rate against the 38G and J and most of time vs the L. Above 8k, the P38 has a slightly higher climb rate until 15k when the difference is remarkable.
Having seen some of the whines from Hotard in the past (ie 'HTC hates the bish'), I know talking to him about reality is a waste of time.
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Except for turn rate, the La7 and La5 holds all the cards below 8k, including top speed, acceleration, climb rate, and roll rate against the 38G and J and most of time vs the L. Above 8k, the P38 has a slightly higher climb rate until 15k when the difference is remarkable.
Having seen some of the whines from Hotard in the past (ie 'HTC hates the bish'), I know talking to him about reality is a waste of time.
Flamming aside,
HTC doesn't hate bish, but in my experience there are a few players, country affiliation unrelated, that seem to be able to bend HTC's ear, then there is the rest of us.
Simplistic comparisons aside, every plane has it's coffin corners.
If I flew the LA as a BNZ plane then, yes, like the Mustang, it's hard to touch and I would say get some skill. I don't fly the LA that way except horde busting, or the once in a week urge to vluch the runway. Get near me and I'm going to see just what kind of stick you are. LA vs Spit; KI; Nik; easy mode?? Not in turn fight, not in my book.
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HTC doesn't hate bish, but in my experience there are a few players, country affiliation unrelated, that seem to be able to bend HTC's ear, then there is the rest of us.
I rest my case.
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I rest my case.
Then please explain why the IL-2 doesn't have f3 mode anymore.
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Then please explain why the IL-2 doesn't have f3 mode anymore.
I'm sure it had nothing to do with unbalancing game play.
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You guys shut the lights off when you're done (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/Good_night.gif)
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I'm sure it had nothing to do with unbalancing game play.
Yup 1 guy in an IL-2 pwns a chosen one in his duce, presto no f3 mode in Il-2. I can see where that threatened the balance of game play all right. HTC doesn't seem to be likewise concerned with the furballing a-20's where the f3 mode allows a plane to be used in a way it never was in the real deal though. :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch:
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Yup 1 guy in an IL-2 pwns a chosen one in his duce, presto no f3 mode in Il-2. I can see where that threatened the balance of game play all right. HTC doesn't seem to be likewise concerned with the furballing a-20's where the f3 mode allows a plane to be used in a way it never was in the real deal though. :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch:
So you have trouble against A20s in a dogfight. :huh
AKAK was right in his first post :lol
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Yup 1 guy in an IL-2 pwns a chosen one in his duce, presto no f3 mode in Il-2. I can see where that threatened the balance of game play all right. HTC doesn't seem to be likewise concerned with the furballing a-20's where the f3 mode allows a plane to be used in a way it never was in the real deal though. :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch:
No it wasn't just one guy, but GHI was the best at it. The reason you see the A20s now is they are trying to use that as the replacement. It not as good so you see much fewer of them than you ever did with the il2s.
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So you have trouble against A20s in a dogfight. :huh
AKAK was right in his first post :lol
Only if it's Cobia38. U run across his A-20 1v1 and let me know how you do.
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I understand why they do eny, wish there was a way to do local/regional eny, completely understand when people log-in to fly ponies but instead have to fly Sopwith Camels.
What is a proper fix? On the one hand, paying $15/mo means you get to fly P-51Ds. On the other, having sides so overloaded you have almost no chance of winning sucks just as much. Being jumped by a dozen Fw-190A5s is workable if you have a ponyD to work with.
I actually exchanged a couple emails with Skuzzy on this a while back. They have noted that without eny, and massive imbalance of numbers with no equalizing factor, game participation drops as well. No easy answer.
Boo
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I understand why they do eny, wish there was a way to do local/regional eny, completely understand when people log-in to fly ponies but instead have to fly Sopwith Camels.
What is a proper fix? On the one hand, paying $15/mo means you get to fly P-51Ds. On the other, having sides so overloaded you have almost no chance of winning sucks just as much. Being jumped by a dozen Fw-190A5s is workable if you have a ponyD to work with.
I actually exchanged a couple emails with Skuzzy on this a while back. They have noted that without eny, and massive imbalance of numbers with no equalizing factor, game participation drops as well. No easy answer.
Boo
Guess skuzzy is away on mars or somewhere. if +60-80 players isn't a massive imballance I don't know what is.. Just tonight 1 country had +50 players compared to lowstest country, and an eny of <3. Now there's a real ballancer for you. Naturally it was a win for the mob.
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Thanks for the photo JimmyC, aside from that I'm with Uptown, ya'll shut off the lights when you leave, this has made me so sleepy I need a nap
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Another suggestion is get rid of the 12 hour side switch.. it seems to have had the unintended effect of keeping players on the overmaned side in place rather than encouraging them to switch to a more advantageous eny country, since they would be stuck there for 12 hours (log on time).
It's 12 hours of log on time not real time??? That would seem to defeat the whole purpose of ENY as no one would want to switch if he's going to be stuck there for a week or more. Surely it's 12 hours of real time?
I kinda like the solution posted recently elsewhere: allow side switching with no time limit, but only allow switching to countries that have lower online population than the one you're coming from.
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Yes, it's 12 hours of real time.