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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Traveler on October 03, 2011, 12:17:02 PM
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Please consider the idea of replacing ENY with a system change to make aircraft availability linked to Strat Targets. So that like in real war, a countries ability to wage war is dependent on that countries ability to produce war materials and protect that ability with it’s forces.
Tie aircraft availability to certain hangers at each airfield. And limit aircraft availability based on the ability of each industrial zone to produce and supply each airfield.
The industry would be divided around each town/city The Industry could be supplied / repaired with field supplies via the automated convey system and or player provided supplies. Say 10 field supplies to bring it up to 100%. With the ability to stockpile supplies to bring the production up to 120%.
Damage to the industry zones near the towns and airfields would be to effect the ability to produce war materials (aircraft and tanks, ords) . Each industry zone has the ability to produce all war materials. Because of damage to the Industrial zones, some aircraft might become unavailable at the airfield supplied by that Industry zone, however that aircraft would still be available at other airfields supplied by other industrial zones.
An industry zone would have the ability to be captured and would therefore be protected with several Airfields, Vehicle Bases. A country would win the war by destroying the other guys ability to wage war and capturing territory.
I think this would promote fights, provide additional targets and provide additional strategy to the game. It removes the ENY issue because while an aircraft may become unavailable at one location due to the industrial zones inability to produce it, that aircraft is available out of other zones and can still be used. Different aircraft availability will be tied to the Industry zones percentage of damage to determine if the aircraft is available or not and it’s availability can be changed by repairing the damage in the Industry zone.
If the industrial zone is 100% destroyed, no war materials are produced out of that zone until at least 10% of the damage is repaired.
The three airfields that are now unable to be captured would remain as they are with 100% of all aircraft available because they are supplied by an underground Industrial zone that can not be captured or destroyed.
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Interesting idea...
But I think all it would do instead of promoting fights is promoting 40k+ B29 misshuns to pork all the factories. I for one log on to fight, if there was a normal fight for the strats, that's one thing. But if I have to climb to an absurd alt to try to prevent hordes of bombers from porking factories, that's totally not anything close to fun or a fight for me.
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:aok +1 i like this idea with more stuff to blow up!....what would happen when you want to take an aircraft out and damage prevents you? would it be a simple message? what about the rearm pad?
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I thought ENY was supposed to aid in balancing the three sides? Wouldn't the system you suggest simply make the side with the numbers advantage even more powerful because it can now deny use of better performing aircraft to the side that has fewer people?
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:aok +1 i like this idea with more stuff to blow up!....what would happen when you want to take an aircraft out and damage prevents you? would it be a simple message? what about the rearm pad?
I'd think perhaps the aircraft list in the hanger would be dynamic and only list the available aircraft. Also you could jump to fields that have no damage to their industrial zones and all aircraft would be there, You just might have to fly a little further.
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Interesting idea...
But I think all it would do instead of promoting fights is promoting 40k+ B29 misshuns to pork all the factories. I for one log on to fight, if there was a normal fight for the strats, that's one thing. But if I have to climb to an absurd alt to try to prevent hordes of bombers from porking factories, that's totally not anything close to fun or a fight for me.
That happens now, perhaps an adjustment to remove formation options for bombers or reduce the cost of perked plains to sides that are outnumbered.
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I thought ENY was supposed to aid in balancing the three sides? Wouldn't the system you suggest simply make the side with the numbers advantage even more powerful because it can now deny use of better performing aircraft to the side that has fewer people?
it can only deny a side better performing aircraft by totally destroying and keeping all industrial zones of the other side down 100% of the time. I doubt that will happen.
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I think something along these lines is a great idea. Dot has a point, though. Climbing to a fight would get tiresome. I would also propose airstarts be implemented a few sectors away from these strats.
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I don't mind 40k buffs.
They are tasty.
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I think something along these lines is a great idea. Dot has a point, though. Climbing to a fight would get tiresome. I would also propose airstarts be implemented a few sectors away from these strats.
I'm not one for air starts, however, I'd love to see the return of Puffy ack that is very lethal perhaps that covers the entire radar ring.
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Interesting idea...
But I think all it would do instead of promoting fights is promoting 40k+ B29 misshuns to pork all the factories. I for one log on to fight, if there was a normal fight for the strats, that's one thing. But if I have to climb to an absurd alt to try to prevent hordes of bombers from porking factories, that's totally not anything close to fun or a fight for me.
In thinking about it a littel bit more. I'd allow the Industrial zones to be re-supplied from any source, including the airfields that the zone supports. Also as I said, one could stock pile supplis , allowing the Industrial zones to be raised to 120%.
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+1
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I don't mind 40k buffs.
They are tasty.
*smirk*
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Interesting idea...
But I think all it would do instead of promoting fights is promoting 40k+ B29 misshuns to pork all the factories. I for one log on to fight, if there was a normal fight for the strats, that's one thing. But if I have to climb to an absurd alt to try to prevent hordes of bombers from porking factories, that's totally not anything close to fun or a fight for me.
Back when I played, our large bomber missions succeeded quite well in promoting (or provoking ;) ) large fights. Heaps of fun. :cool:
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1 thing for sure, the strat targets do not offer enough of an incentive to defend.
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1 thing for sure, the strat targets do not offer enough of an incentive to defend.
:aok
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The OP provides a wonderful idea for gameplay, but presented as a response to the wrong issue. The ENY system, when properly implemented, is meant to limit the ability of the strong side to attack the weaker ones, thus equalizing gameplay. A destroy-targets-to-limit-the-enemy system encourages hordes and massive side switches in order to garner the numbers to carpet bomb a now-indefensible country into Hurricane Mk. I oblivion.
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traveller, i love the sound of it. but it would be sort of a reverse eny'er.
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The OP provides a wonderful idea for gameplay, but presented as a response to the wrong issue. The ENY system, when properly implemented, is meant to limit the ability of the strong side to attack the weaker ones, thus equalizing gameplay. A destroy-targets-to-limit-the-enemy system encourages hordes and massive side switches in order to garner the numbers to carpet bomb a now-indefensible country into Hurricane Mk. I oblivion.
ENY does not limit the strong side's ability to attack the weaker side(s), it simply forces them to take what is less "easy" for them to get the job done.
Instead of P51D's fully loaded with ords, the F4U-D, F6F, etc are tapped. Not a real big disadvantage, really. It isnt until those heavy hauling fighters are grounded that the attackers are limited in fighter/bomber choices. Not until the ENY gets to 25 or so. Once all the 2000 lb+ ord carrying able planes are grounded and the 109's, 190's, (all) Japanese fighters are forced in to the jabo mode is the attacker "limited", at least in the jabo mode.
Regarding bombers... losing the B29, Mossi B 16, and Ar234 is hardly a worry. It isnt until the ENY gets to 20 that the lancs, B17, b24, etc are grounded.
The ENY system needs a tweak, no doubt. But HTC holds the password and the "coad". :D
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ENY does not limit the strong side's ability to attack the weaker side(s), it simply forces them to take what is less "easy" for them to get the job done.
when properly implemented
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1 thing for sure, the strat targets do not offer enough of an incentive to defend.
Toss a plane factory in there and they will defend it.
I remember when I was in the 168th Nightstalker's back in AW. We were 1 of the 1st squads to bring our buffs to FR <before the Avengers>. At 1st the FR crowd just squeaked and moaned about us. They told us bombers don't belong here. Called us names and so on. We liked it because it was harder to fly buffs in FR.
After about a month and a half of constant spit, munitions and maintenance bombing the FR guys starting defending their factories, As soon as the bar came up at they were grabbing. A working strat is a plus for the game and factories that get shut down will get defended.
If we had a plane factory I would be in buff allot more.
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traveller, i love the sound of it. but it would be sort of a reverse eny'er.
One of the big complaints that I read over and over on the boards over the years about ENY is the people that state “I have limited time to play and when I get on I can’t get he plane I want to fly, I pay $14.99 a months and I can’t fly what I want to fly because of ENY”.
I know my idea needs work, but what I’m suggesting is a change from ENY’s limiting aircraft and equipment affecting everyone within the arena, to the limiting aircraft and equipment affecting local areas governed by the local industrial zone. More like it was in an actual war zone.
Sides would have to defend their industrial zones and the result being that aircraft might be limited in a disputed zone, but still available from zones as yet unaffected . Just as we have airfields that can not be captured one could have an industrial zone that supports the un-capture able fields that can’t be captured or destroyed. Thus No one would ever be denied the aircraft that they wish to fly, they just might have to fly it a little further.
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Interesting idea...
But I think all it would do instead of promoting fights is promoting 40k+ B29 misshuns to pork all the factories. I for one log on to fight, if there was a normal fight for the strats, that's one thing. But if I have to climb to an absurd alt to try to prevent hordes of bombers from porking factories, that's totally not anything close to fun or a fight for me.
I keep going back to this because you have a very valid point and I have an idea that might address this. Each Industrial zone has working radar that has radar directed anti aircraft guns, very lethal Puffy ack from 15 K up to 50K, within the radar ring . Fighter cover would be responsible for 0 to 15K protection.
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I keep going back to this because you have a very valid point and I have an idea that might address this. Each Industrial zone has working radar that has radar directed anti aircraft guns, very lethal Puffy ack from 15 K up to 50K, within the radar ring . Fighter cover would be responsible for 0 to 15K protection.
so the game is gonna go from attacking bases to defending/attacking strats. how does one win to change the map?
semp
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I like the idea of a "aircraft factory". Just how would it be implemented??? Have the damage on a slider? The more severe the damage the more severe an artificial ENY ceiling is? Take down the factory to %50 and ENY 10 and better aircraft are disabled? Take it down to %25 and ENY 15 and better aircraft are disabaled? %100 = ENY 20 and better disabled???
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Ever notice people never start threads about how cool it would be if their side lost the ability to fly certain planes because they didn't defend the proposed strat airplane factories?
Why is that?
Wiley.
:bhead
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Ever notice people never start threads about how cool it would be if their side lost the ability to fly certain planes because they didn't defend the proposed strat airplane factories?
Why is that?
Wiley.
:bhead
With this proposed system, unlike the current ENY which does take away the ability to fly certain planes because they did nothing more then log on. The aircraft would still be available, just in a different Industrial zone.
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Anytime you log in there'd be the potential for your side to be down strats through no fault of your own. What's the difference?
Take a look at how ground ops unfold now in the arenas now. It's always easier to keep chipping away on the offensive until you eventually destroy something than it is to keep up a coherent defense for the same amount of time.
Wiley.
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Anytime you log in there'd be the potential for your side to be down strats through no fault of your own. What's the difference?
Take a look at how ground ops unfold now in the arenas now. It's always easier to keep chipping away on the offensive until you eventually destroy something than it is to keep up a coherent defense for the same amount of time.
Wiley.
I think I addressed that by making them easy to repair, via resupply from local airfields. as to logging in and strats may be down, your correct, just as when you log in now your ENY may make your ride unavalible, however with my suggestion, your ride would still be available , just not at the Industrial zone you happen to be in. Both sides cold be chipping away on the offensive and your nme would be faced with the same problems. I think it provides move areas of conflict, missions to destroy and misions to defend, sould to me like lots more places to fight.