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Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« on: October 03, 2011, 12:17:02 PM »
Please consider the idea of replacing ENY with a system change to make aircraft availability  linked to Strat Targets.  So that like in real war, a countries ability to wage war is dependent on that countries ability to produce war materials and protect that ability with it’s forces. 

Tie aircraft availability to certain hangers at each airfield.  And limit aircraft availability based on the ability of each industrial zone to produce and supply each airfield.   

The industry would be divided around each town/city  The Industry could be supplied / repaired  with field supplies via the automated convey system and or player provided supplies. Say 10 field supplies to bring it up to 100%.  With the ability to stockpile supplies to bring the production up to 120%. 

Damage to the industry zones near the towns and airfields would be to effect the  ability to produce war materials (aircraft and tanks, ords) .  Each industry zone has the ability to produce all war materials.  Because of damage to the Industrial zones, some aircraft might become unavailable at the airfield supplied by that Industry zone, however that aircraft would still be available at other airfields supplied by other industrial zones.

An industry zone would have the ability to be captured and would therefore be protected with several Airfields, Vehicle Bases.  A country would win the war by destroying the other guys ability to wage war and capturing territory.

I think this would promote fights, provide additional targets and provide additional strategy to the game.   It removes the ENY issue because while an aircraft may become unavailable at one location due to the industrial zones inability to produce it, that aircraft is available out of other zones and can still be used.  Different aircraft availability will be tied to the Industry zones percentage of damage to determine if the aircraft is available or not and it’s availability can be changed by repairing the damage in the Industry zone. 

If the industrial zone is 100% destroyed, no war materials are produced out of that zone until at least 10% of the damage is repaired.

The three airfields that are now unable to be captured would remain as they are with 100% of all aircraft available because they are supplied by an underground Industrial zone that can not be captured or destroyed.
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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2011, 12:22:41 PM »
Interesting idea...

But I think all it would do instead of promoting fights is promoting 40k+ B29 misshuns to pork all the factories. I for one log on to fight, if there was a normal fight for the strats, that's one thing. But if I have to climb to an absurd alt to try to prevent hordes of bombers from porking factories, that's totally not anything close to fun or a fight for me.
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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2011, 12:26:43 PM »
 :aok +1 i like this idea with more stuff to blow up!....what would happen when you want to take an aircraft out and damage prevents you? would it be a simple message? what about the rearm pad?

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2011, 12:45:17 PM »
I thought ENY was supposed to aid in balancing the three sides?  Wouldn't the system you suggest simply make the side with the numbers advantage even more powerful because it can now deny use of better performing aircraft to the side that has fewer people?

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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2011, 12:51:12 PM »
:aok +1 i like this idea with more stuff to blow up!....what would happen when you want to take an aircraft out and damage prevents you? would it be a simple message? what about the rearm pad?

I'd think perhaps the aircraft list in the hanger would be dynamic and only list the available aircraft.  Also you could jump to fields that have no damage to their industrial zones and all aircraft would be there,  You just might have to fly a little further.
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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 12:55:13 PM »
Interesting idea...

But I think all it would do instead of promoting fights is promoting 40k+ B29 misshuns to pork all the factories. I for one log on to fight, if there was a normal fight for the strats, that's one thing. But if I have to climb to an absurd alt to try to prevent hordes of bombers from porking factories, that's totally not anything close to fun or a fight for me.

That happens now, perhaps an adjustment to remove formation options for bombers or reduce the cost of perked plains to sides that are outnumbered.
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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2011, 12:57:32 PM »
I thought ENY was supposed to aid in balancing the three sides?  Wouldn't the system you suggest simply make the side with the numbers advantage even more powerful because it can now deny use of better performing aircraft to the side that has fewer people?

it can only deny a side better performing aircraft by totally destroying and keeping all industrial zones of the other side down 100% of the time.  I doubt that will happen.
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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2011, 12:57:41 PM »
I think something along these lines is a great idea. Dot has a point, though. Climbing to a fight would get tiresome. I would also propose airstarts be implemented a few sectors away from these strats.
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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2011, 01:46:03 PM »
I don't mind 40k buffs.

They are tasty.

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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2011, 02:06:46 PM »
I think something along these lines is a great idea. Dot has a point, though. Climbing to a fight would get tiresome. I would also propose airstarts be implemented a few sectors away from these strats.

I'm not one for air starts, however, I'd love to see the return of Puffy ack that is very lethal perhaps that covers the entire radar ring.
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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2011, 02:18:52 PM »
Interesting idea...

But I think all it would do instead of promoting fights is promoting 40k+ B29 misshuns to pork all the factories. I for one log on to fight, if there was a normal fight for the strats, that's one thing. But if I have to climb to an absurd alt to try to prevent hordes of bombers from porking factories, that's totally not anything close to fun or a fight for me.

In thinking about it a littel bit more.  I'd allow the Industrial zones to be re-supplied from any source, including the airfields that the zone supports. Also as I said, one could stock pile supplis , allowing the Industrial zones to be raised to 120%.
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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2011, 07:50:15 PM »
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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2011, 08:55:56 PM »
I don't mind 40k buffs.

They are tasty.

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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2011, 09:51:27 PM »
Interesting idea...

But I think all it would do instead of promoting fights is promoting 40k+ B29 misshuns to pork all the factories. I for one log on to fight, if there was a normal fight for the strats, that's one thing. But if I have to climb to an absurd alt to try to prevent hordes of bombers from porking factories, that's totally not anything close to fun or a fight for me.

Back when I played, our large bomber missions succeeded quite well in promoting (or provoking ;) ) large fights. Heaps of fun. :cool:
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Re: Replace ENY with STRAT = Aircraft
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2011, 01:08:34 AM »
1 thing for sure, the strat targets do not offer enough of an incentive to defend. 

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