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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tupac on October 08, 2011, 11:34:23 PM
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Jim Morrison is a god
Just wanted to say that.
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Usually gods are smart enough not to overdose on drugs. He made some good music, and I'm a fan, but he was dumber then a bag of diks. Just saying.......
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_VfhKfCpDI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXeXm0uMDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plRgOw5uxLo&feature=related
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Clint Eastwood is jesus, and Chuck Norris is god :D
Edit: lil hyped up, Just watched Grand Tornio for the first time, epic movie!
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Overrated like the Beatles and Nirvana.
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Jim Morrison is a god
Just wanted to say that.
A god who died in a puddle of urine in a dirty Paris nightclub bathroom. Sure I'll buy that. :rock
P.S. Interesting bit of useless trivia, Jim Morrison's grave is the 2nd most popular tourist attraction in Paris, in between the Louvre and the Eiffel tower. :aok
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He died in his bath tub.
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freddie.
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He died in his bath tub.
That's the official story, but some of his close friends have come out in recent years and told a different story, that he died from an overdose in a bathroom stall of a nightclub his friend was managing, and then Morrison's dealers moved the body and dumped it in his apartment bathtub warning the club manager to never speak of what really happened.
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He died in his bathtub.
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It's so daft to bash The Doors.
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That's the official story, but some of his close friends have come out in recent years and told a different story, that he died from an overdose in a bathroom stall of a nightclub his friend was managing, and then Morrison's dealers moved the body and dumped it in his apartment bathtub warning the club manager to never speak of what really happened.
That has always been a suspicion, but not plausible.
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Spencer Davies group :)
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Jim Morrison is a god
Just wanted to say that.
TUPAC............ I..... hate.... you........ lol.
One of my buddies is Obsessed with The Doors, he sings that stuff everywhere he goes, he'll come in our bay, leave his ipod on full volume with no headphones it in playing Come on baby light my fire and just walk out,and plays it all night long! its driving me crazy! we are only 6 months into this deployment also!! :bhead
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prefer The Cars myself........... :aok
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Jim Morrison is a god
(http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq180/Defenestrator20/motivator6819256.jpg)
Jim Morrison was an enormous tool and the Doors as a whole were extremely overrated. When you grow up, you will realize these truths to be self-evident.
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There was group from the same place doing the same scene as the Doors 3 years before them can't remember what they were called though,it will come to me :)
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I don't think they would have gotten anywhere without that unique sound of Ray Mazarek...the man starts playing, puts me in a trance (he did the bass on the keyboard as well)
http://youtu.be/GC3TV0Hfyx4
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These guys die young, they still do. Bunch of Money and anyone to tell them any different.
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I'm fairly certain I wouldn't be here if I had that sort of access at that age
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Overrated like the Beatles and Nirvana.
+ infinity
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Being familiar with their music since before birth many of you cannot truly appreciate the Doors' uniqueness for the time.
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Being familiar with their music since before birth many of you cannot truly appreciate the Doors' uniqueness for the time.
do what? :headscratch:
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do what? :headscratch:
If everyone here was listening to the Doors in the womb, how can they be objective of their uniqueness for the times?
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(http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq180/Defenestrator20/motivator6819256.jpg)
Jim Morrison was an enormous tool and the Doors as a whole were extremely overrated. When you grow up, you will realize these truths to be self-evident.
This from a cubs fan speaks volumes.
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Being familiar with their music since before birth many of you cannot truly appreciate the Doors' uniqueness for the time.
I am well read on The Doors. I know exactly what you are trying to convey.
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This from a cubs fan speaks volumes.
Exactly. I'm a fan of one of the crumbiest sports franchises of all time. Yet even I am aware of how much Jim Morrison blows.
Someday you too may catch the net.
And don't go giving me any of that fanciful Lizard King crap. The guy was an ultra melon. To deny it is foolish.
EDIT: :lol ultra melon, that's hilarious.
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Well convey it to me, because I don't get why folks put him on a higher level then ..lets say Grace Slick, Arlo Guthrie or Dylan. Hell there's tons of others that conveyed similar messages for their times, like The Stones, The Who, even Syd Barrett for that matter. But it's Jim Morrison that has thousands of folk flock to his grave to pay homage every year. I don't get it. Is it because he died too young? Well so did Joplin, Hendrix, and Winehouse. Heck at least Jimi could play a Gibson upside down and be trippin' on top of that! :lol
The only reason I say Jim was dumb is because he had the world by the balls and friggin' blew it all on some dope. Money, fame, women, world travels, all gone at 27 because he just had to get high. It's a damned shame! I'm still pissed at Amy Winehouse. Damn I hate drugs....they ALL should have stuck to weed.
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Exactly. I'm a fan of one of the crumbiest sports franchises of all time. Yet even I am aware of how much Jim Morrison blows.
Someday you too may catch the net.
And don't go giving me any of that fanciful Lizard King crap. The guy was an ultra melon. To deny it is foolish.
EDIT: :lol ultra melon, that's hilarious.
Melvin. There is always next week, try then champ.
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I don't think Morrison has any more notoriety that Hendrix. If Dylan had been killed in that motorcycle crash he would have probably have been bigger than all of them.
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He was ahead of his times I guess http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=487_1318166934 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=487_1318166934)
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He was ahead of his times I guess http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=487_1318166934 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=487_1318166934)
Do ya think?
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That's the official story, but some of his close friends have come out in recent years and told a different story, that he died from an overdose in a bathroom stall of a nightclub his friend was managing, and then Morrison's dealers moved the body and dumped it in his apartment bathtub warning the club manager to never speak of what really happened.
And Paul died in a car crash many years ago. Who really knows what happened. If you weren't there then your just spreading the rumor.
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Well convey it to me, because I don't get why folks put him on a higher level then ..lets say Grace Slick, Arlo Guthrie or Dylan. Hell there's tons of others that conveyed similar messages for their times, like The Stones, The Who, even Syd Barrett for that matter. But it's Jim Morrison that has thousands of folk flock to his grave to pay homage every year. I don't get it. Is it because he died too young? Well so did Joplin, Hendrix, and Winehouse. Heck at least Jimi could play a Gibson upside down and be trippin' on top of that! :lol
The only reason I say Jim was dumb is because he had the world by the balls and friggin' blew it all on some dope. Money, fame, women, world travels, all gone at 27 because he just had to get high. It's a damned shame! I'm still pissed at Amy Winehouse. Damn I hate drugs....they ALL should have stuck to weed.
BTW, his "drug of choice" was Jack Daniel's. You left out Brian Jones, Robert Johnson, Buddy Holly, Ronny Van Zandt, Randy Rhoades, Otis Redding, Cliff Burton, Gram Parsons, Pete Ham, Duane Allman and a host of others who "died young" and not necessarily by drugs.
I look at "The End" as a work of epic proportions that is often misinterpreted and is on one of the best debut albums in Rock & Roll History. There is not a single tune of filler on it and his version "of a relationship with a girlfriend and her family who don't like the boyfriend" are excellent.
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BTW, his "drug of choice" was Jack Daniel's. You left out Brian Jones, Robert Johnson, Buddy Holly, Ronny Van Zandt, Randy Rhoades, Otis Redding, Cliff Burton, Gram Parsons, Pete Ham, Duane Allman and a host of others who "died young" and not necessarily by drugs.
I look at "The End" as a work of epic proportions that is often misinterpreted and is on one of the best debut albums in Rock & Roll History. There is not a single tune of filler on it and his version "of a relationship with a girlfriend and her family who don't like the boyfriend" are excellent.
:old:
John Bonham
Morrison had talent .....besides the fact he never wanted to be a singer he was a poet....when that much money and opportunity arises it effects you and most people cannot handle it....
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BTW, his "drug of choice" was Jack Daniel's. You left out Brian Jones, Robert Johnson, Buddy Holly, Ronny Van Zandt, Randy Rhoades, Otis Redding, Cliff Burton, Gram Parsons, Pete Ham, Duane Allman and a host of others who "died young" and not necessarily by drugs.
I look at "The End" as a work of epic proportions that is often misinterpreted and is on one of the best debut albums in Rock & Roll History. There is not a single tune of filler on it and his version "of a relationship with a girlfriend and her family who don't like the boyfriend" are excellent.
When I was a kid there was an album rock station WWCK 105.5.. The first time I heard "The End" was late at night with my headphone on. it scared me... "When the Music's Over" is really good too.
"Waiting For the Sun"
"Break on Through"
"The Crystal Ship"
"5 to 1"
"Not to Touch the Earth"
Morrison's spoken word stuff was pretty cool too..
"Texas Radio and the Big Beat"
"Horse Latitudes"
It's easy to dismiss something without the perspective of having witnessed it's origination. Practically every band that has been famous since has taken something from the Doors. Morrison invented the dark, brooding stage persona.. Michael Hutchence.. Bono.. Owe 90% of their stage presence to Jim Morrison.
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"Moonlight Drive"!!
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Cant believe nobody even mentioned "LA Woman"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-wgIht3roA
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I didn't mention the more accessible stuff like "LA Woman" because that is the stuff that has been played to death to the point where it is no longer appealing. That is probably the unknown main contention that most people have with the Doors...
Although they released six albums, when a classic rock DJ is told to play a Doors tune it more than likely will be "Light my Fire" "Roadhouse Blues" or "LA Woman". The width and depth of their music cannot be appreciated with those three songs.
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Ill check out the ones above. Usually if I can catch one I havent heard on the radio, the instrumental audio is usually a giveaway.
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No mention of Robbie Krieger so far? Krieger's ability to play different styles on the guitar - flamenco, blues, fingerstyle - was a huge part of the Doors's sound. Wouldn't have been remotely close to the same band with a different guitarist in there.
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No mention of Robbie Krieger so far? Krieger's ability to play different styles on the guitar - flamenco, blues, fingerstyle - was a huge part of the Doors's sound. Wouldn't have been remotely close to the same band with a different guitarist in there.
Jim Morrison was the focal point of this thread. Densmore is an excellent technical drummer with jazz influences. Manzarek was a skilled keyboardist as well. Krieger is your blues influenced guitarist, who could lay down riffs like the best of them.
But again, Jim has been the primary focus of this thread.
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:old:
John Bonham
Morrison had talent .....besides the fact he never wanted to be a singer he was a poet....when that much money and opportunity arises it effects you and most people cannot handle it....
Almost put him and Moon in there, but I was just pointing out to Uptown that MANY artists have passed while they were young. I suppose Morrison, Moon and Bonham are very alike in that they drank copious amounts of alcohol and having that much disposable income only fueled that desire. Moon was in the "Hollywood Vampires" club with Alice Cooper, Mickey Dolenz, Harry Nillsson. The only way to get into the club was to out drink all the members.
Bonham's binges are legendary as well. It's just a shame that a lot of "stars" did it to themselves. So much talent.
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When I was a kid there was an album rock station WWCK 105.5.. The first time I heard "The End" was late at night with my headphone on. it scared me... "When the Music's Over" is really good too.
"Waiting For the Sun"
"Break on Through"
"The Crystal Ship"
"5 to 1"
"Not to Touch the Earth"
Morrison's spoken word stuff was pretty cool too..
"Texas Radio and the Big Beat"
"Horse Latitudes"
It's easy to dismiss something without the perspective of having witnessed it's origination. Practically every band that has been famous since has taken something from the Doors. Morrison invented the dark, brooding stage persona.. Michael Hutchence.. Bono.. Owe 90% of their stage presence to Jim Morrison.
Morrison did one thing great and it's subliminal. He'd put one foot on the mic stand (you can see it in a lot of the live footage). It was his way of saying: "I'm in charge, you will listen and we will play". He would taunt to the audience into participation.
You have named many good tunes that DO NOT get that much airplay.
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this one is awesome.
Black Train Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxNj-ETEC2k
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Ill check out the ones above. Usually if I can catch one I havent heard on the radio, the instrumental audio is usually a giveaway.
Get the five albums:
The Doors
Strange Days
Waiting for the Sun
Morrison Hotel/Hard Rock Cafe
LA Woman
The tunes played on the radio have NOTHING on the others.
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Robby Krieger might have been the first guy to use long echo times to play notes that harmonized with the previous note in a carefully constructed lead line.
It sounds like two guitars but it was just one.
He did it in "Peace Frog" which might be the funkiest Doors song ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mw6o8HZg2I
Yngwie mentioned it inspired him to do his "echo etude"..............in which he takes it the extreme as only Yngwie can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvxPui7s4so
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Robby Krieger might have been the first guy to use long echo times to play notes that harmonized with the previous note in a carefully constructed lead line.
It sounds like two guitars but it was just one.
He did it in "Peace Frog" which might be the funkiest Doors song ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mw6o8HZg2I
Yngwie mentioned it inspired him to do his "echo etude"..............in which he takes it the extreme as only Yngwie can.
He's ripping off Brian May more than Robbie Krieger...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs87GuoOvYo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvxPui7s4so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYabmM-uxdE&feature=related
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Get the five albums:
The Doors
Strange Days
Waiting for the Sun
Morrison Hotel/Hard Rock Cafe
LA Woman
The tunes played on the radio have NOTHING on the others.
Sweet! They are on my Christmas list now :)
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Almost put him and Moon in there, but I was just pointing out to Uptown that MANY artists have passed while they were young. I suppose Morrison, Moon and Bonham are very alike in that they drank copious amounts of alcohol and having that much disposable income only fueled that desire. Moon was in the "Hollywood Vampires" club with Alice Cooper, Mickey Dolenz, Harry Nillsson. The only way to get into the club was to out drink all the members.
Bonham's binges are legendary as well. It's just a shame that a lot of "stars" did it to themselves. So much talent.
forgot about Moon....hell he gave Zepp their name....and yes I agree talent gone too early
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imagine these people in one band with your mind's ear if you can: hendrix, mercury, harrison, and flea. (plus someone to play the drums, anyone will do)
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wait, Flea from the Chilli Peppers is dead? wtf man!
Bonham on the drums ofcoarse :rock
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imagine these people in one band with your mind's ear if you can: hendrix, mercury, harrison, and flea. (plus someone to play the drums, anyone will do)
But Flea is alive........Throw Cliff Burton, James Jamerson, Dee Murray or John Entwhistle in there from the "list of deceased bass players" and I can see it working...
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:lol Thx Kayara. VonKrimm had me worried there for a second.
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Get the five albums:
The Doors
Strange Days
Waiting for the Sun
Morrison Hotel/Hard Rock Cafe
LA Woman
The tunes played on the radio have NOTHING on the others.
I have all of these except Waiting for the sun,I even have a copy of "the Doors" that has never been played. These are LP's that I have,most have only been played once or I have a second copy that I listen to.
Went through 7 copies of darkside of the moon over the years,still have an unplayed copy of that too.
:salute
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He's ripping off Brian May more than Robbie Krieger...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs87GuoOvYo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvxPui7s4so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYabmM-uxdE&feature=related
Brian May did that 30 years after Robby Krieger.
All of Brian's harmony lines were doubletracked on queen albums.
They were not done with delay.
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for me it was a long Time Otis Redding and Wilson Pickett....but look what they done....the club where he last play before he falled from the sky is now a ALDI discount market :(
and this is the check 6 call song ...help me help me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQknxjce3_Q&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQknxjce3_Q&feature=related)
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He actually wrote & self published 3 books of poetry ( 4 books if you count the last one put together from his 1st book and 2nd book )
the Lords notes on vision
The New Creatures
Ode to LA while thinking of Brian Jones, deceased
then the final republished work called The Lords and The New Creatures
and similar to what Masherbrum posted above...... the band ( The Doors ) hired professional boozers to keep tabs on Mr Mojorisin, but he was too much for them,
Johnny Depp narrarated a wonderful film about the Doors a few years ago...... When You're Strange ( is such an awesome song as well )
:cheers:
TC
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Brian May did that 30 years after Robby Krieger.
All of Brian's harmony lines were doubletracked on queen albums.
They were not done with delay.
You might want to recalculate the years. I can assure you that Brian May never ripped off Krieger. Queen's primary influence was Led Zeppelin.
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I didn't mention the more accessible stuff like "LA Woman" because that is the stuff that has been played to death to the point where it is no longer appealing. That is probably the unknown main contention that most people have with the Doors...
Although they released six albums, when a classic rock DJ is told to play a Doors tune it more than likely will be "Light my Fire" "Roadhouse Blues" or "LA Woman". The width and depth of their music cannot be appreciated with those three songs.
Yup...the first album I ever got was "Weird Scenes Inside the Gold Mine" (compilation) in the mid 70s'.....totally blew me away
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Brian May did that 30 years after Robby Krieger.
All of Brian's harmony lines were doubletracked on queen albums.
They were not done with delay.
Yeah... None of the videos i posted were of Brian May in the studio. He used delay extensively live to great affect. My comment was that Malmsteem (or whatever) was borrowing more from May than anyone.
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Makes sense but I remember Brian May using an eventide harmonizer for his live harmonies.
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Brian May did that 30 years after Robby Krieger.
All of Brian's harmony lines were doubletracked on queen albums.
They were not done with delay.
Makes sense but I remember Brian May using an eventide harmonizer for his live harmonies.
1. Guitar "harmonies" are a lot easier to do in the studio, than live.
2. Most forget that beyond the 9 - Vox AC30's May uses on stage, John Deacon built him "Deacy" which he will often place a coat over it, while recording.
3. Now, starting in 1972 Brian May was using in the Echoplex EP3 Tape Delay Studio and On-Stage (Gilmour and Wright from Pink Floyd used the Binson Echorec for Delay). Actually, he used two of them. Three amps on the Non-Delay Channel, three for Echoplex EP3 Delay 1 and three more for Echoplex EP3 Delay 2. Pete Cornish was hired by May to design and implement this system (later commissioned by David Gilmour in 76/77, 79, 99 & 06 to manufacture new pedal boards for each year listed). The above configuration was used on stage and in the studio until The Works. At that time (1982), he swapped the Echoplex EP3 Delay in favor for digital units. One of them at 900ms and the other to 1800ms.
In response, They were done with delay.
Brian May is probably the Master of Delay, with Gilmour right on his arse.
BTW, News Of The World, was the first album that featured Brian May with an Eventide Harmonizer.....
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Since I've been a fan of the Doors since their inception........they were truly unique.
You HAD to be ther at that time to realize that.
My favorite song...Land Ho!
Grandpa was a Sailorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ............he sailed the seven Seas :rock
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Overrated like the Beatles and Nirvana.
Ya and the wheel and fire aint much either.
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Makes sense but I remember Brian May using an eventide harmonizer for his live harmonies.
All delay...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbr7N_-rSz0
Same song from Live Killers..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgOM9Ik8u2Y
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If it is all delay, then why does the initial note have a harmony?
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"The killer woke before dawn,
he put his boots on,
and went and he took a face from the ancient gallery,
and he walked on down the hall"...........
The Doors are masterful, tragic, yet soothing. It is too bad things were cut short for them.
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If it is all delay, then why does the initial note have a harmony?
Because he didn't use a harmonizer on the first five studio albums and their respective tours. Brighton Rock uses only Delay.
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Since I've been a fan of the Doors since their inception........they were truly unique.
You HAD to be ther at that time to realize that.
My favorite song...Land Ho!
Grandpa was a Sailorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ............he sailed the seven Seas :rock
Almost as good as the Beatles :D
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Almost as good as the Beatles :D
BJ...unfortunately I was there at the inception of the Beatles........dam I'm old.
The Beatles didn't impress me at all.....The Kinks, Dave Clark five, and the Stones did.
I'm one of the few that just shrugged and yawned at I wanna hold your hand, she loves ya yaaaa yaaaaa yaaaaaaaa.
To bubblegum for my tastes. John Lennon however at the later stages...with him I was impressed.
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BJ...unfortunately I was there at the inception of the Beatles........dam I'm old.
The Beatles didn't impress me at all.....The Kinks, Dave Clark five, and the Stones did.
I'm one of the few that just shrugged and yawned at I wanna hold your hand, she loves ya yaaaa yaaaaa yaaaaaaaa.
To bubblegum for my tastes. John Lennon however at the later stages...with him I was impressed.
tend to agree with you Hajo,except you forgot the Hollies!!! I will say that once the Beatles stopped playing live and went into the studio they changed music forever and Lennon/McCartney were the most prolific song writers of our time! Ya I'm as :old: as you,still remember when they were on Ed Sullivan the first time! :x
:salute
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BJ...unfortunately I was there at the inception of the Beatles........dam I'm old.
The Beatles didn't impress me at all.....The Kinks, Dave Clark five, and the Stones did.
I'm one of the few that just shrugged and yawned at I wanna hold your hand, she loves ya yaaaa yaaaaa yaaaaaaaa.
To bubblegum for my tastes. John Lennon however at the later stages...with him I was impressed.
Badfinger has always been a favorite of mine. The Kinks are another favorite of mine. Both do not get the respect they deserve.
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BJ...unfortunately I was there at the inception of the Beatles........dam I'm old.
The Beatles didn't impress me at all.....The Kinks, Dave Clark five, and the Stones did.
I'm one of the few that just shrugged and yawned at I wanna hold your hand, she loves ya yaaaa yaaaaa yaaaaaaaa.
To bubblegum for my tastes. John Lennon however at the later stages...with him I was impressed.
a little factoid about the beatles that most don't know and the ones that do know ignore........when they very first got together they played a different type of music, they also had long hair....but the studios didn't like ether, so they made them change their look and music, they where completely re-made up by the studios so parents would like them and not just the youth.
the beatles where the first "pop/commercial" band and suk today just as much as they did back then.
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a little factoid about the beatles that most don't know and the ones that do know ignore........when they very first got together they played a different type of music, they also had long hair....but the studios didn't like ether, so they made them change their look and music, they where completely re-made up by the studios so parents would like them and not just the youth.
the beatles where the first "pop/commercial" band and suk today just as much as they did back then.
Find me a serious musician that doesn't respect The Beatles for being one of the most innovative, and ground breaking bands in history.
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Find me a serious musician that doesn't respect The Beatles for being one of the most innovative, and ground breaking bands in history.
there are plenty...... :rolleyes:
and besides that don't change the facts....
take AC/DC the worst rock and roll band ever, yet they are huge.....KISS suks yet huge.......
I could go on and on
like that song that never ends.... :t
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there are plenty...... :rolleyes:
and besides that don't change the facts....
take AC/DC the worst rock and roll band ever, yet they are huge.....KISS suks yet huge.......
I could go on and on
like that song that never ends.... :t
Its not a matter of what you think sucks. Now I'm not attacking your taste in music here, just stating things from my point of view.
Im not a huge AC/DC or KISS fan either, but in the case of KISS, they were innovative, they revolutionized the "glam" rock genre, and I give them the respect they deserve for that, even if Gene Simmons is a huge tool.
I don't care for bands like the Kinks either, just not my style of music, but I give them the respect they deserve for getting a whole new style of music going.
Most of all I cant stand rap. It just doesn't speak to me they way rock and roll does, in fact, it just makes me mad, but I give respect to groups like RunDMC for being innovators and getting a whole new ball rolling. Now if anyone can deny that The Beatles weren't innovators, and urged along a whole new style of music, and were some of the most talented musicians in history, then In my opinion, they are seriously confused. You don't have to like their music, just give respect where it is deserved. :rock
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Its not a matter of what you think sucks. Now I'm not attacking your taste in music here, just stating things from my point of view.
Im not a huge AC/DC or KISS fan either, but in the case of KISS, they were innovative, they revolutionized the "glam" rock genre, and I give them the respect they deserve for that, even if Gene Simmons is a huge tool.
I don't care for bands like the Kinks either, just not my style of music, but I give them the respect they deserve for getting a whole new style of music going.
Most of all I cant stand rap. It just doesn't speak to me they way rock and roll does, in fact, it just makes me mad, but I give respect to groups like RunDMC for being innovators and getting a whole new ball rolling. Now if anyone can deny that The Beatles weren't innovators, and urged along a whole new style of music, and were some of the most talented musicians in history, then In my opinion, they are seriously confused. You don't have to like their music, just give respect where it is deserved. :rock
(http://macromeme.com/cat/10-points-for-gryffindor.jpg)
:aok
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Its not a matter of what you think sucks. Now I'm not attacking your taste in music here, just stating things from my point of view.
Im not a huge AC/DC or KISS fan either, but in the case of KISS, they were innovative, they revolutionized the "glam" rock genre, and I give them the respect they deserve for that, even if Gene Simmons is a huge tool.
I don't care for bands like the Kinks either, just not my style of music, but I give them the respect they deserve for getting a whole new style of music going.
Most of all I cant stand rap. It just doesn't speak to me they way rock and roll does, in fact, it just makes me mad, but I give respect to groups like RunDMC for being innovators and getting a whole new ball rolling. Now if anyone can deny that The Beatles weren't innovators, and urged along a whole new style of music, and were some of the most talented musicians in history, then In my opinion, they are seriously confused. You don't have to like their music, just give respect where it is deserved. :rock
Kiss innovated nothing except marketing their own brand of BS. New York Dolls, Marc Bolan & Bowie were already well ahead of the glam rock scene before Kiss entered the picture.
Kiss also lifted quite a few things early on from Alice Cooper. It is evident in the old footage.
I am with Ink on the "Kiss is overrated/sucks" thing. Musically though, those with any talent habe already left the band.
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Kiss innovated nothing except marketing their own brand of BS. New York Dolls, Marc Bolan & Bowie were already well ahead of the glam rock scene before Kiss entered the picture.
Kiss also lifted quite a few things early on from Alice Cooper. It is evident in the old footage.
I am with Ink on the "Kiss is overrated/sucks" thing. Musically though, those with any talent habe already left the band.
I agree KISS does suck. Maybe instead of innovated I should have said they just took to a new level what bands you mentioned had already established.
EDIT: they did have some good stuff early on though when Ace Frehley was still in the band
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Its not a matter of what you think sucks. Now I'm not attacking your taste in music here, just stating things from my point of view.
Im not a huge AC/DC or KISS fan either, but in the case of KISS, they were innovative, they revolutionized the "glam" rock genre, and I give them the respect they deserve for that, even if Gene Simmons is a huge tool.
I don't care for bands like the Kinks either, just not my style of music, but I give them the respect they deserve for getting a whole new style of music going.
Most of all I cant stand rap. It just doesn't speak to me they way rock and roll does, in fact, it just makes me mad, but I give respect to groups like RunDMC for being innovators and getting a whole new ball rolling. Now if anyone can deny that The Beatles weren't innovators, and urged along a whole new style of music, and were some of the most talented musicians in history, then In my opinion, they are seriously confused. You don't have to like their music, just give respect where it is deserved. :rock
ok so the beatles deserve respect for being the first band to sell out.....they did not do anything that others were not doing they were not innovators.....
maybe I am just to narrow minded to see beyond the greatness of real musicians such as
Led Zeppelin-The best of the best
Queen
Fleetwood Mac
Jimi Hendrix
The Doors
Three dog night
Yardbirds
Blood sweat tears
Niel Young
Jethro Tull
The Guess Who
The Who
Crosby Stills and Nash
Canned Heat
The Animals
Eric Clapton
Frank Zappa
Cream
Steppenwolf
Ten Years After
Santana
Sly and the Family Stone
Heart
Moody Blues
Janis Joplin
lynard Skynard
Black Sabbath
Van Morrison
Jefferson Airplane
Bob Dylan
CCR
Pink Floyd
Alice Cooper
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Bad Company
Queensryche
Megadeth
Flotsam and Jetsam
DIO
Judas Priest
ZZ-top
Aerosmith (although not a fan)
Cheap Trick
Warrior Soul
.......drawing a blank......
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ok so the beatles deserve respect for being the first band to sell out.....they did not do anything that others were not doing they were not innovators.....
maybe I am just to narrow minded to see beyond the greatness of real musicians such as
Led Zeppelin-The best of the best
Queen
Fleetwood Mac
Jimi Hendrix
The Doors
Three dog night
Yardbirds
Blood sweat tears
Niel Young
Jethro Tull
The Guess Who
The Who
Crosby Stills and Nash
Canned Heat
The Animals
Eric Clapton
Frank Zappa
Cream
Steppenwolf
Ten Years After
Santana
Sly and the Family Stone
Heart
Moody Blues
Janis Joplin
lynard Skynard
Black Sabbath
Van Morrison
Jefferson Airplane
Bob Dylan
CCR
Pink Floyd
Alice Cooper
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Bad Company
Queensryche
Megadeth
Flotsam and Jetsam
DIO
Judas Priest
ZZ-top
Aerosmith (although not a fan)
Cheap Trick
Warrior Soul
.......drawing a blank......
That is a damn good list there. I agree with you on Led Zeppelin, if they aren't #1 then they are a very close #2
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That is a damn good list there. I agree with you on Led Zeppelin, if they aren't #1 then they are a very close #2
those are the bands that I like to listen to, but aerosmith I had to put on for the wife.... :rofl
notice I didn't put on
the stones
greatful dead
beatles
kiss
acdc
cant stand any of these bands, I feel they are very over rated.
but I do like a few songs from them.
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Except Heart and DIO.
Always have thought DIO was overrated.
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Dio was a legend. A true class act that would make sure every fan of his wasn't missed when signing things outside of venues.
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Beatles = Great Marketing and Publicity.
Their Music....another story. To long and boring to go into.
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no Allman Brothers, Ink?
or the Band or Bob Seger or George Thurogood or Eagles
just curious........ you must be a Jimmy Page fan, you listed like 3 or so bands he was in including Zepplin........ ( same with Clapton )
I don't like much by Sanatana...... I think Neil was a much better player although you can still here lil bits of Carlos in his music, he grew above and beyond being a one sound pony, like Carlos is.... if Carlos Santana is playing on a song you instantly can recognize it.....
now John Sykes.... there is a guitar Player..... like Zakk wyldes Pride & Glory --- that album goes from one extreme to the other and is all great.....
but everyone is different, we all like different genres and styles..... old Kiss with Ace & Peter was fantastic............... I don't care much for them though after around 1983 they went commercialized..
Clapton & Page back in the Yardbirds......... awesomese before Led Zepplin was even a mind thought.......
interesting thread here......
TC
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no Allman Brothers, Ink?
or the Band or Bob Seger or George Thurogood or Eagles
just curious........ you must be a Jimmy Page fan, you listed like 3 or so bands he was in including Zepplin........ ( same with Clapton )
I don't like much by Sanatana...... I think Neil was a much better player although you can still here lil bits of Carlos in his music, he grew above and beyond being a one sound pony, like Carlos is.... if Carlos Santana is playing on a song you instantly can recognize it.....
now John Sykes.... there is a guitar Player..... like Zakk wyldes Pride & Glory --- that album goes from one extreme to the other and is all great.....
but everyone is different, we all like different genres and styles..... old Kiss with Ace & Peter was fantastic............... I don't care much for them though after around 1983 they went commercialized..
Clapton & Page back in the Yardbirds......... awesomese before Led Zepplin was even a mind thought.......
interesting thread here......
TC
ya I like the Allman brothers and everyone else you mention.......after I posted a bunch more came to mind...but I figure I got my point across.
except for KISS they are so bad....yes some of the earlier members were good musicians. and some of that stuff didn't suk as bad as the rest.... :D
dont forget Jeff Beck...some say that the three never played together at the same time, but believe they would be wrong...jimmy played the bass. (supposedly while Beck and Clapton were in the band also)
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Blue Oyster Cult and Rush two awesome bands not on the list
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Blue Oyster Cult and Rush two awesome bands not on the list
yup..also forgot Nazareth
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dont forget Jeff Beck...some say that the three never played together at the same time, but believe they would be wrong...jimmy played the bass. (supposedly while Beck and Clapton were in the band also)
Yep they all 3 were in the same band and played together ........... that was before I was born ..... thinking it was early 60's ( 62/64 era I believe maybe lil later )
love the history of music and bands .........
TC
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Hair of the Dog!
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add..... John Mayall, J.J. Cale, Humble Pie, Traffic, Emerson Lake and Palmer, to the list.
I have every band posted on this thread on my Ipod.
Good Work Guys!
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Humble Pie! 30 Days in the Hole!
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add..... John Mayall, J.J. Cale, Humble Pie, Traffic, Emerson Lake and Palmer, to the list.
I have every band posted on this thread on my Ipod.
Good Work Guys!
J.J. Cale and David Teegarden still recording locally, along with a few others.
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All of those bands on that impressive list came after the Beatles.
The metamorphosis that you talked about happened when their manager recognized that they were a bar cover band that was unmarketable. They would have been completely unsuccessful without cleaning up their act. The music, on the other hand, was not affected by anyone other than themselves. Most of their artistic growth came after their second album. Their first two records were them doing the cover tunes that they played at their shows and a few songs that they wrote that emulated the songs that they played in their shows.
It kinda sound like you dislike them for daring to be so successful... Starting with A Hard Day's Night the cover songs started to go away and they began boldly changing popular music. When you listen to "I Want to Hold Your Hand" next to "Come Together" it's hard to believe that they were only a little over six years apart.
It's okay to prefer heavier music over the fluff that the Beatles put out but to totally dismiss their influence is just ignorant.
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Lynyrd Skynyrd! They turned a lot of old songs into RR.
T or Tx and Tn....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY63KTMrkTM
Two locals died in the Ronnie plane crash.
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Humble Pie! 30 Days in the Hole!
I saw them in 81 or so, they opened and closed with "I Don't Need No Doctor"
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All of those bands on that impressive list came after the Beatles.
The metamorphosis that you talked about happened when their manager recognized that they were a bar cover band that was unmarketable. They would have been completely unsuccessful without cleaning up their act. The music, on the other hand, was not affected by anyone other than themselves. Most of their artistic growth came after their second album. Their first two records were them doing the cover tunes that they played at their shows and a few songs that they wrote that emulated the songs that they played in their shows.
It kinda sound like you dislike them for daring to be so successful... Starting with A Hard Day's Night the cover songs started to go away and they began boldly changing popular music. When you listen to "I Want to Hold Your Hand" next to "Come Together" it's hard to believe that they were only a little over six years apart.
It's okay to prefer heavier music over the fluff that the Beatles put out but to totally dismiss their influence is just ignorant.
Actually, The Beatles, The Who and Stones share the same influences: Skiffle and R&B. Brian Epstein had the biggest impact on their success. When he died, the House or Cards burned from within.
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Actually, The Beatles, The Who and Stones share the same influences: Skiffle and R&B. Brian Epstein had the biggest impact on their success. When he died, the House or Cards burned from within.
yep, the beatles and the stones are nearly the same age as a group late 59 to early 61 era and the yardbirds are right close to them as well......
Chess records ( Cadillac records some called it ) brought the stones to the US as well as having Clapton show up and record in the studio at times in the early mid 60's
delta blues influenced the Rolling stones also influenced Page, Beck, Clapton, Jones etc...... oh and Bob Dylan should be included right there in the late 50's early 60's as well.....
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I actually like Kiss and AC/DC. I hated AC/DC for a while but you've got to give props to a 65 year old man (Brian Johnson) for still being able to pack arenas whenever and where ever he wants. I just think Kiss are goofy and I like goofy stuff. I am a musician as well so these aren't merely laymans thoughts.
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My oldest son got me to listen to AC/DC a bit. I was never a fan first time around, but some of there stuff grew on me. As a teenager in the 70s I survived KISS. Never did get it. Oldest son was a huge Page/ Led Zep fan. I took him to see Page and Plant when they came around. Maybe it was the Zep saturation we got as teenagers, but I was never a huge fan of theirs either. To me they were the ultimate product of the tail end of the 60s early 70s era where there was a ton of money to be made and a lot of excess in the music. Pink Floyd was a product of that time too. Not knocking either band, but never saw them as the greatest thing since sliced bread either.
It was feeding oldest son different bands and types of music that got me to listen to the Doors again. I'd read "No one Gets out of here Alive" when I was about 15 in the mid 70s. I kind of resented Morrison for literally wasting himself like he did. I've always figured with those kinds of smarts he should have known better. And I always wonder how the legend would have grown had he not died. You can be perfect after you are dead as you can't make any mistakes anymore. I think it tends to make those artists a bit more untouchable. John Lennon is another example of that as is Hendrix. Odds are the 'what if' is always going to be better then the reality of what they'd have done as they grew older.
Oldest son and I would debate this stuff and dig to try and put some kind of perspective on it and we ended up coming to the conclusion that The Beatles and Dylan opened the door and with their success it allowed a lot of other folks to follow in terms of writing their own stuff and controlling what they did. The Stones took it in a more bluesy direction and kept it from getting to pop, with other bands like the Yardbirds, Cream, Zep heading down that path.
The 70s as mentioned headed down the road to excess which wasn't all bad, but it did seem like the music got taken over by the money makers even more and was purely manufactured. It wasn't until the tail end that it seemed like folks like Springsteen, Tom Petty, U2 and folks like that tried to get it back to the music and less of the for lack of a better word 'polyester' that seemed to fill much of that time. The 80s...ugh. Thankfully I was too busy with little ones. The only thing that stood out to me was GNR's first album that seemed to me to save us from hair bands for a time. The 90s and beyond? Three teenagers who thankfully listened to much of what I liked, although the daughters worried me for a long time :)
The question I've asked my kids over the years is name me something from today that will still be played on the radio in 20 years and stand the test of time. Still waiting for an answer :)
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I have a lot Soul and R&B on White label demos from the US :old:
Jack Montgomety "Don't turn your back on" $300 I believe now :)
Jack Wilson Demo White label
Some Otis Redding on Volt label.
Some Yardbirds and 1968 deep purple stuff
Small faces with Steve Marriott :)
My misspent youth :rofl
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My oldest son got me to listen to AC/DC a bit. I was never a fan first time around, but some of there stuff grew on me. As a teenager in the 70s I survived KISS. Never did get it. Oldest son was a huge Page/ Led Zep fan. I took him to see Page and Plant when they came around. Maybe it was the Zep saturation we got as teenagers, but I was never a huge fan of theirs either. To me they were the ultimate product of the tail end of the 60s early 70s era where there was a ton of money to be made and a lot of excess in the music. Pink Floyd was a product of that time too. Not knocking either band, but never saw them as the greatest thing since sliced bread either.
It was feeding oldest son different bands and types of music that got me to listen to the Doors again. I'd read "No one Gets out of here Alive" when I was about 15 in the mid 70s. I kind of resented Morrison for literally wasting himself like he did. I've always figured with those kinds of smarts he should have known better. And I always wonder how the legend would have grown had he not died. You can be perfect after you are dead as you can't make any mistakes anymore. I think it tends to make those artists a bit more untouchable. John Lennon is another example of that as is Hendrix. Odds are the 'what if' is always going to be better then the reality of what they'd have done as they grew older.
Oldest son and I would debate this stuff and dig to try and put some kind of perspective on it and we ended up coming to the conclusion that The Beatles and Dylan opened the door and with their success it allowed a lot of other folks to follow in terms of writing their own stuff and controlling what they did. The Stones took it in a more bluesy direction and kept it from getting to pop, with other bands like the Yardbirds, Cream, Zep heading down that path.
The 70s as mentioned headed down the road to excess which wasn't all bad, but it did seem like the music got taken over by the money makers even more and was purely manufactured. It wasn't until the tail end that it seemed like folks like Springsteen, Tom Petty, U2 and folks like that tried to get it back to the music and less of the for lack of a better word 'polyester' that seemed to fill much of that time. The 80s...ugh. Thankfully I was too busy with little ones. The only thing that stood out to me was GNR's first album that seemed to me to save us from hair bands for a time. The 90s and beyond? Three teenagers who thankfully listened to much of what I liked, although the daughters worried me for a long time :)
The question I've asked my kids over the years is name me something from today that will still be played on the radio in 20 years and stand the test of time. Still waiting for an answer :)
seriously cant stand the stones. mick jagger is straight up sukage at its best :aok
another thing I cant stand is when bands lose a member and they continue...huge respect for The Members of Zepp, once Bonham died they knew they couldn't replace him so they stopped playing as Zeppelin....how many others did that? None that I can think of.
No other Band rocked the world the way Zeppelin did.....every rock "critic" from back then, is eating their words....Zepp was one of the most hated bands by the critics, they were banned from many cities, many radio stations refused to play them...yet they still broke EVERY ONE of the beatles records, in sales and attendance...as a matter of fact Zepp is still the most requested Band of all time..even though they have not been together in twenty years, talk about staying power.
the beatles can directly blame Zeppelin for their demise, once Zeppelin came on to the scene most people where like "the beatles...who? :headscratch:"
there can be only one top dog...and in the music scene Led Zeppelin is their name. :rock
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oh forgot to say
best band to come out of the 80's was TESLA and they are my all time favorite band..........
also Molly Hatchet, Blackfoot, Marshall Tucker Band, anyone ever hear of "Southern Culture on the Skids"? Great White and Dokken were ok too......
during a side step in my youth I liked Generation X, Billy Idol, the runaways/Joan Jett, INXS, early days of U2 ( Sunday bloody Sunday ), some Clash some straycats ..... some dire straits ...... u know " I want my MTV" ROFL....
video killed the radio star .......
lol
TC
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oh forgot to say
best band to come out of the 80's was TESLA and they are my all time favorite band..........
also Molly Hatchet, Blackfoot, Marshall Tucker Band, anyone ever hear of "Southern Culture on the Skids"? Great White and Dokken were ok too......
during a side step in my youth I liked Generation X, Billy Idol, the runaways/Joan Jett, INXS, early days of U2 ( Sunday bloody Sunday ), some Clash some straycats ..... some dire straits ...... u know " I want my MTV" ROFL....
video killed the radio star .......
lol
TC
I liked great white till I saw them in a small club...a few of us wanted to have CD's signed, there was maybe 30 of us in all...the band acted like huge movie starts and wouldn't come out till we were all lined up in a row...very pathetic.....screw great white.
I think the best band from the 80's is Flotsam and Jetsam....insane talent
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My oldest son got me to listen to AC/DC a bit. I was never a fan first time around, but some of there stuff grew on me. As a teenager in the 70s I survived KISS. Never did get it. Oldest son was a huge Page/ Led Zep fan. I took him to see Page and Plant when they came around. Maybe it was the Zep saturation we got as teenagers, but I was never a huge fan of theirs either. To me they were the ultimate product of the tail end of the 60s early 70s era where there was a ton of money to be made and a lot of excess in the music. Pink Floyd was a product of that time too. Not knocking either band, but never saw them as the greatest thing since sliced bread either.
It was feeding oldest son different bands and types of music that got me to listen to the Doors again. I'd read "No one Gets out of here Alive" when I was about 15 in the mid 70s. I kind of resented Morrison for literally wasting himself like he did. I've always figured with those kinds of smarts he should have known better. And I always wonder how the legend would have grown had he not died. You can be perfect after you are dead as you can't make any mistakes anymore. I think it tends to make those artists a bit more untouchable. John Lennon is another example of that as is Hendrix. Odds are the 'what if' is always going to be better then the reality of what they'd have done as they grew older.
Oldest son and I would debate this stuff and dig to try and put some kind of perspective on it and we ended up coming to the conclusion that The Beatles and Dylan opened the door and with their success it allowed a lot of other folks to follow in terms of writing their own stuff and controlling what they did. The Stones took it in a more bluesy direction and kept it from getting to pop, with other bands like the Yardbirds, Cream, Zep heading down that path.
The 70s as mentioned headed down the road to excess which wasn't all bad, but it did seem like the music got taken over by the money makers even more and was purely manufactured. It wasn't until the tail end that it seemed like folks like Springsteen, Tom Petty, U2 and folks like that tried to get it back to the music and less of the for lack of a better word 'polyester' that seemed to fill much of that time. The 80s...ugh. Thankfully I was too busy with little ones. The only thing that stood out to me was GNR's first album that seemed to me to save us from hair bands for a time. The 90s and beyond? Three teenagers who thankfully listened to much of what I liked, although the daughters worried me for a long time :)
The question I've asked my kids over the years is name me something from today that will still be played on the radio in 20 years and stand the test of time. Still waiting for an answer :)
You pretty much hit it on the head here. Although I do like a lot of stuff from the 80s, Motley Crue probably being my favorite. How a band preforms live is another thing for me too. Bands like Aerosmith and Motley Crue that put on amazing live shows will always be at the top of my list.
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I liked great white till I saw them in a small club...a few of us wanted to have CD's signed, there was maybe 30 of us in all...the band acted like huge movie starts and wouldn't come out till we were all lined up in a row...very pathetic.....screw great white.
I think the best band from the 80's is Flotsam and Jetsam....insane talent
"If you're flammable and have legs, you're NEVER blocking a fire exit"
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"If you're flammable and have legs, you're NEVER blocking a fire exit"
:rofl
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"If you're flammable and have legs, you're NEVER blocking a fire exit"
Gotta love Mitch. :)
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Best 80's Band - Iron Maiden (Motorhead close 2nd)
Bruce Dickinson is not only a great singer, but look what else he gets to do that many of wish we could:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4726670632081603406#
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You pretty much hit it on the head here. Although I do like a lot of stuff from the 80s, Motley Crue probably being my favorite. How a band preforms live is another thing for me too. Bands like Aerosmith and Motley Crue that put on amazing live shows will always be at the top of my list.
My first concert was Aerosmith and Nazareth in 1974. Best remembered for the haze of pot smoke hanging all over the arena and the nicely carved pipe that bounced down the stairs from on high and into my lap.
Worst concert was the Stones in 1980. They were clearly not into it and Bill Wyman fell of the stage and ended up in the hospital. Best bang for the buck concerts were Springsteen. He plays forever and you are tired afterwards.
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My first concert was Aerosmith and Nazareth in 1974. Best remembered for the haze of pot smoke hanging all over the arena and the nicely carved pipe that bounced down the stairs from on high and into my lap.
Worst concert was the Stones in 1980. They were clearly not into it and Bill Wyman fell of the stage and ended up in the hospital. Best bang for the buck concerts were Springsteen. He plays forever and you are tired afterwards.
My first concert was Paul McCartney in 2004. I still remember it like it was yesterday. I went and saw him again a couple years ago, and in my opinion he still has it even at his age. I saw ZZ Top open for Aerosmith back in 09 and that was one hell of a show. Billy Gibbons lighting one up on stage because everybody is "going green" nowdays. :rofl
The best "bang for my buck" had to be Motley Crue and Poison this summer. Tons of pyro, and they still run around like its 1986.
Edit: I would have loved to have been around to see Aeromsith in their heyday. I bet that was freakin awesome. :rock
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imagine these people in one band with your mind's ear if you can: hendrix, mercury, harrison, and flea. (plus someone to play the drums, anyone will do)
Not anyone, must be Micky Hart.
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bonham
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Even if your not a country fan , and you get a chance to see Willie Nelson , do it . That old coot just gets better with age , he's amazing .
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Mr Mojo Risin is indeed a God.