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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: alpini13 on October 14, 2011, 11:17:11 AM
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Thanks for all the support for changing the fw-190 a-8 we have in the game. according to offical document for a fw-190 a-8 with 4 x 20mm and 2 x .50(13.1mm) with full feul load the official focke wulf documented weight is 4400KG...that is 9680 lbs...the same package in the game weighs 9675lbs...ABOUT THE SAME CORRECT WEIGHT.....the problem is the engine performance we currently get up to 1.58 ata boost and it should be 1.65 ata boost according to official document for all fw-190 a-8 after july 1944. this would give better climb and lower alt perfomance...up to 20000ft.....there is however another fw 190 with better climb rate and speed,more amour and the same heavy gun package...made in quantity(about 900) made in series production,saw combat and had kills....the fw-190 A-9 with a weight of 4470KG(9834 lbs) with the same fuel load out and gun package as above. with more power it is faster than the a-8 and climbs better......the link to the info is on an earlier page in the previous 190 a-8 thread, and shows about 10 documents for the a-8. the documented weight and power loadout and performance documnet is in the new TA-152 development book that is currently out it shows info and performance for the 190 a-8, 190,a-9,190 d-9,190 d-12,ta-152 c and ta 152 h
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Do all your topic subjects need to be in bold?
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where is the recording or video of kurt tank telling us the exact specifications? you are making that claim in your title...
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Cool! Is the one ingame the post-July 1944 model?
Wiley.
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Where in the hell are your paragraphs? I want to see proper grammar. I also do not see any capitalization in the beginning of your sentences. Your run-on sentences make my head hurt. Commas, apostrophes, and correct spelling is an absolute must if you want your thread to be taken seriously.
Your post makes a bold claim, but provides no factual evidence to support it.
Time to put the troll gloves back on. :devil
Sincerely,
Plazus - Grammar Nazi
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This is what is referred to as spamming the boards.
I would agree the TA 152 should be removed from game as it played little part in the war.
Thanks for all your support on being honest in game.
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This is what is referred to as spamming the boards.
I would agree the TA 152 should be removed from game as it played little part in the war.
Thanks for all your support on being honest in game.
I believe the TA-152 we have trys to 'fill the gap' between the many 190 models past the d-9 (such as the d-13) but don't quote me on it (I haven't researched it much).
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Which A-8 variant are you specificaly referencing to, please?
And an A-9 and D-11 would awesome, so would an A-7 though too... Ah heck, why not throw a F-3, F-9, D-13, and even a G-3 if somoene is feeling vigerous enough to arrange the multitude of armament loadouts and defencive armor combinations (6x20mm gun boat... err, barge :devil ).
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Which A-8 variant are you specificaly referencing to, please?
And an A-9 and D-11 would awesome, so would an A-7 though too... Ah heck, why not throw a F-3, F-9, D-13, and even a G-3 if somoene is feeling vigerous enough to arrange the multitude of armament loadouts and defencive armor combinations (6x20mm gun boat... err, barge :devil ).
6... 20mms?
You'd need a stick of dynamite to get me out of the cockpit.
Wiley.
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I feel as though all 190 variants should be removed from the game as they are clearly inferior to American aircraft (particularly the P-38).
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6... 20mms?
You'd need a stick of dynamite to get me out of the cockpit.
Wiley.
I think it was the Fw190 G-3/R3 that had the gun pods on the wings for strafing and buff hunting, adding 4 to the already standard 2 in the wingroots. They stripped them though of a bit of the extra armor that came standard in the G-3 (also, the G-3 standard was no cowl MG 17s - in place was additional armor and an additional oil tank for longer engine run times) for those 6-canon birds, and given the logic with the A-8/R8 that we have in the game, where they added armor for the duty of buff interception, I would assume that meant it was almost necessary on the G-3/R with the gunpods in order to be able to perform their operations (although that might just be for the buff hunters at high alts and such). I'd image with that loadout, it would be a bit of a dog, albeit one with some teeth.
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lol you guys are hilarious. first, as this is not school, i refuse to have proper grammar,capitalization,paragraph structure etc unless i am being graded on it and if i am bad at it i need to be kept after school by a very hot brunette 40-22-36 teacher. yes i like capital letters in my title,it kind of soothes me. and as for a video of kurt tank. spme people must be confused, there was NO video in ww2....kurt tank did order the official study to be made,checked with the testing and actually flew some of the aircraft in question, and then summerized the results to the LUFT high command. if you get the new excellent book on the TA-152 and actually read it you will see what i mean...if you can read that is. otherwise there are a few sourses that can verify these facts....adolf galland in one of his books that was published after the war actually quates what kurt tank said about this subject. would a highly decorated LUFT pilot of gallands caliber really lie about this? well considering he had nothing to lose and there was no internet or internet games in exsistance..i think not, at least there is evidence to support my claims in little items know as the official focke wulf company testing documents. as for a specific model to add...well the fw-190 a8 need a performance upgrade....add the fw-190 A-9 and while we are on the subject add a two drop tank option to the a-5 or add the a-6 or a G model 190...they would all do the same thing...but just add two drop tanks to a-5 would do the same without adding a new model a-6 or G
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and as for a video of kurt tank. spme people must be confused, there was NO video in ww2....
there was NO video in ww2? :headscratch: then something is amiss batman...
1933...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs)
maybe they got rid of the video cameras after that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tUzwG4T6Ac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tUzwG4T6Ac)
color even...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19X0qaChKx8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19X0qaChKx8&feature=related)
and you did claim "from the mouth of kurt tank"...not even a copy of what he said??? :headscratch:
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... i refuse to have proper grammar,capitalization,paragraph structure etc ...
and thats why your post reads like this:
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lol you guys are hilarious. first, as this is not school, i refuse to have proper grammar,capitalization,paragraph structure etc unless i am being graded on it
You are by this community, and you have failed judging by how the post has gone.
Treat me and others with some modicum of respect by at last trying to use what is probably the only language you speak/read/write and put some effort into communicating to us, in a clear and concise way, what you are trying to say. By doing so, you not only sound more convincing (a plus when you are arguing something) but also more intelligent (also a big plus).
There are people here who actually struggle with writing in general but they try, they re-read their posts, and they make an effort. You have done none of these things and instead have become defensive. Way to win respect.
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See Rule #4
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You do understand that folks are trying to help you out here right? Instead you come across like a little kid not getting his way. With the inability to use a paragraph or coherent sentence, all you are getting is folks figuring you don't have a clue.
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i'm just being a butthead guppy... :D
alpini i'm curious, how much 190 documentation have you found and translated? if you have anything that shows technical specifics it would be a good idea to show it in some manner, otherwise you're just blowing hot air.
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here is a link to 9 test documents and additional fw-190 a8 documents for your viewing pleasure. http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190a8.html
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I'm sure none of us has ever seen that site before.
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and so you have seen the info supporting the notion of using the higher rated boost and why...additional documents are in the various 190 and 152 books that are out there.
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here is a link to 9 test documents and additional fw-190 a8 documents for your viewing pleasure. http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190a8.html
sorry alpini, that link is old news and there is a lot more information available in other places. did you notice that it's all "test data" from flight trials and not actual production data? not to say it should be dismissed but key information is missing. i've got more complete production information in pdf format on my hard drive, in german.
i don't agree with the in game performance any more than you do but, if you do a search in the forums you will see this argument has come and gone repeatedly over the years. there has been no disclosure by htc as to exactly what specific data they used other than references to a pilots handbook, which if it's the same as the one's i found is missing a lot of technical information. until someone can find more complete data that shows the current flight model is inaccurate, (which is very time consuming and nearly impossible) anyone who says something is off is a luftwhiner. what would be needed to make a substantial argument is complete data on each production model from the first line to the last line. good luck finding something that extensive.
and so you have seen the info supporting the notion of using the higher rated boost and why...additional documents are in the various 190 and 152 books that are out there.
being far from an expert, the time i've spent researching the 109s and 190s has shown me that what is modeled in ah is based on an extrapolation of data from early production models and, the information commonly found in books is from data on later production models. it turns into an apples to oranges comparison.
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All fw 190 a8 were cleared for 1.65 ata. Our a8 only does 1.58 ata boost. Is this just an oversight, and the programmers will use the info to fix, or has the a8 truly been hit by the
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b36/legionaires/thm_41724.jpg)
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All fw 190 a8 were cleared for 1.65 ata. Our a8 only does 1.58 ata boost. Is this just an oversight, and the programmers will use the info to fix, or has the a8 truly been hit by the
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b36/legionaires/thm_41724.jpg)
Problem is, then you get into the use of higher boosts in the Spitfires, which don't have that ability. Then it's higher octane fuels etc. It's a bit of a no win.
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Problem is, then you get into the use of higher boosts in the Spitfires, which don't have that ability. Then it's higher octane fuels etc. It's a bit of a no win.
Not quite, the octane deal effects both Luft and allied rides. I believe the k4 with higher octane was able to achieve an even higher boost (I think 1.98 ata). So its not the same road.
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if you have more info ..for or against this thread...please post it, i am not a computer guy,i have lots of books with info that i can not post.....i can only post info from the net,or read the books and pass on the info.....the idea of raising the boost on the 190-a8...is...that is was actually done to production a/c and those in the field whereas the boost on the spit 14 say, was not widespread and although it may have been done in small quanity the info is sketchy as to whether they saw combat with the hight boost(+25 instead of +18)
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Thanks for all the support for changing the fw-190 a-8 we have in the game. according to offical document for a fw-190 a-8 with 4 x 20mm and 2 x .50(13.1mm) with full feul load the official focke wulf documented weight is 4400KG...that is 9680 lbs...the same package in the game weighs 9675lbs...ABOUT THE SAME CORRECT WEIGHT.....the problem is the engine performance we currently get up to 1.58 ata boost and it should be 1.65 ata boost according to official document for all fw-190 a-8 after july 1944. this would give better climb and lower alt perfomance...up to 20000ft.....there is however another fw 190 with better climb rate and speed,more amour and the same heavy gun package...made in quantity(about 900) made in series production,saw combat and had kills....the fw-190 A-9 with a weight of 4470KG(9834 lbs) with the same fuel load out and gun package as above. with more power it is faster than the a-8 and climbs better......the link to the info is on an earlier page in the previous 190 a-8 thread, and shows about 10 documents for the a-8. the documented weight and power loadout and performance documnet is in the new TA-152 development book that is currently out it shows info and performance for the 190 a-8, 190,a-9,190 d-9,190 d-12,ta-152 c and ta 152 h
I am curious as what exactly is your wish. since you dint mention it.
semp
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Still, there is something weird. Our a-8 is actually a lot slower than the a5, even with the small gun package, at every altitude except a small window between the deck and 3-4k. Also climbs worse, heck, never ever seen an a8 getting close to 4000 feet/min.
I dont know whats wrong, i dont have the information, but i dont think a 1944 bird should perform worse than its 1942 predecessor in every single role except the loadout choices.
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I am not here to win respect.......
[classsession]
You don't "win" respect. You earn it.
One of the common stipulations of earning respect is to show respect. [/classsession]
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does anyone know what engine is modelled in the ah version of the 190-a8?
it looks like in july of 1944 the bmw 801-d2 (1705 max hp??) was replaced by the bmw 801-q/tu (modified 801-d2 1750 max hp???). also in july of 1944 all of the a8s were equipped with an "emergency power unit" which was designed to over ride the super-charger boost regulator. the epu increased boost pressure on take off from 1.42 ata to 1.58 ata at the low super-charger setting (+13.6mph) and emergency power from 1.42 ata to 1.65 ata at the high super-charger setting (+15.5mph). it had a maximum time of 10 minutes.
the gm1 system could replace the auxilliary fuel tank but it wasn't normal. use was dictated for operational altitudes above 26,250 ft and gave a speed increase of 36mph at climb and combat power. i don't suppose there is any way to make that an option in the hangar...or maybe something that could be enabled for special events.
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the gm1 system could replace the auxilliary fuel tank but it wasn't normal. use was dictated for operational altitudes above 26,250 ft and gave a speed increase of 36mph at climb and combat power. i don't suppose there is any way to make that an option in the hangar...or maybe something that could be enabled for special events.
gm1 boost and/or AES engines on the 109s has been asked before... with no luck. The truth is you are absolutely correct, some scenarios are hobbled by not having the correct equipment to recreate the situation.
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I think the OP is on the roll for being nominated as the next Wishlist Warrior. Congratulations, alpini, Skuzzy fixed the title of your thread! You are destined for greatness. :old:
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