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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nypsy on October 17, 2011, 05:03:00 PM
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And the cops arrest the guy behind the counter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQafDUUCkpY
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Seriously?! This is just crazy on both sides. Fighting and going to jail, hospital and court over a freaking burger?!?!
Boo
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shame he probably cant afford a decent lawyer, I hope he gets acquitted and the other 2 learnt that "the customer isnt always right."
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shame he probably cant afford a decent lawyer, I hope he gets acquitted and the other 2 learnt that "the customer isnt always right."
I like the top comment.
"Rayon McIntosh is a hero. Let the beating he gave these two criminals be a lesson to all who attack defenseless clerks at convenience stores, fast-food places and gas stations every single day of the year. We need more hard-working heroes like Rayon McIntosh in the world. Anyone who thinks he hit these women too many times, get a clue! McIntosh had no way of knowing if they were armed with weapons. Once they cleared the counter to attack, he had to incapacitate them."
Though I don't agree he is a hero (far from one in fact), I believe his actions were called for.
He didn't 'brutally beat them down' as if he were trying to kill her. Yes, it was brutal, but he
TOLD her to STAY DOWN, and whacked her every time she tried to up.
Her fault. She shouldn't have badmouthed the cashier, or slapped him, or jumped over the counter,
or chased him across the freaking place. She got what she had coming, and I hope the man is found
not-guilty.
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I concur.
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the guy had served 10 years in prison for murder. I'd say that hyper violent reaction was due to that as well.
In any case, the woman leaped across the counter and made herself a clear threat to the man's safety and that of other workers & patrons.Self-defense in my opinion. Two attackers, 1 guy. He should not be charged with anything.
...but as we know, the clown eatery is perfect target for lawsuits and famous for settling out of court so these two crazy B***ches will most likely walk out of this one with a big cash payout.
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He had every right to protect himself. Hell, if it had been me I would've been using an axe, not a metal rod.
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Gives new meaning to "you deserve a break today" :lol
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(http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz115/William_Duenskie/lovinzf3f.gif)
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lols he done good, the lady probably didn't get her dollar burger cooked exactly to her standards so she responds like she ordered it from a top of the line steak house or something. Take your dollar an shove it lady!
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Unless he gets a really good liar... I mean lawyer he's going to get convicted if it goes to court. More than likely he'll enter a plea, do probation, and be forgotten about in a month. I'm not saying those chicks didn't deserve a healthy punch in the face but he could have escaped the situation without resorting to violence and violence with a 'weapon'. That particular McDonalds will be dealing with lawsuits for a while as well. In fact I'd be surprised if the women haven't already been contacted by people willing to represent them in a damages claim against the store.
Not saying it's right and I certainly don't agree with it. But the video evidence will be spun that he could have run out the back of the store and nobody would have gotten hurt. Further he continued to hit them when they were down. Tack in the fact that he's a convicted felon with a history and boom. The two people who incited the incident are temporarily rich (because they're who and what they obviously are.. trash) and he's either doing time or probation with very few job opportunities.
Ya lawyers and laws written by people who cry for mommy when they get a paper cut.
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I thought I read the employee was questioning if the cash she handed to him was real. I think he thought it was a fake $20 and she freaked.
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Knocking him out is one thing, but he kept going after he was clearly on the ground.
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(http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/zz115/William_Duenskie/lovinzf3f.gif)
reminds me of a clip i saw on worlds dumbest.
Big "bad" black guy threw a hissy fit because mcdonalds put onions on his big-mac. (he had forgotten to tell them no onions, but he thought he had) he starts throwing a hissy fit, begins throwing chairs around. then tries to jump the counter.
This employee comes running up from the back as he's trying to climb over the counter, and just spartan kicks the guy right in the face. he goes flopping down to the floor K.O'ed.the funny part of it was the hissy fit guy was around 6'5 and buffed. and the employee was some 5'6 scrawny teenager. but dam. he nocked him out with one kick to the face.
i cheered. :cheers:
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Knocking him out is one thing, but he kept going after he was clearly on the ground.
I don't think he knocked them out, he continued hitting them as they tried to get up. It looks bad, but if they had had some kind of weapon or something, it could have turned much worse. I don't know if that's why he did it, but that's sure what I would argue. "I was concerned that if they got back on their feet they would either continue to attack me or attack one of my co-workers."
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I don't agree with what they did, but he went way over board....unnecessary use of violence.
all he had to do was push them back off the counter...yet he ran into the back and got a weapon....for two woman.... :rofl
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I don't agree with what they did, but he went way over board....unnecessary use of violence.
The difference is this McDonalds employee isnt' trained to defend himself. Even a pathetic public defender will have an easy win telling the jury he feared for his life, while being gainfully employed, and wasn't looking to provoke anyone.
Even though he already did his time, I think the biggest strike against him in court is his violent history (which I can't substantiate).
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The difference is this McDonalds employee isnt' trained to defend himself. Even a pathetic public defender will have an easy win telling the jury he feared for his life, while being gainfully employed, and wasn't looking to provoke anyone.
Even though he already did his time, I think the biggest strike against him in court is his violent history (which I can't substantiate).
I think they absolutely will use it against him...he is a violent x convict who used extreme violence against two woman, he seriously messed them up, broke bones...no jury is gonna think of him as a victim.
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A) Attacker was violent and approaching.
B) The Yute retreated to safety.
C) Attacker jumps counter and 2nd attacker also jumps counter.
D) The Yute is outnumbered, unsure if the attackers are armed and in fear of his life.
E) The Yute grabs the nearest thing that can be used for self-defense and applies self-defense.
F) Attackers refuse to comply with his instructions to stay down so more self-defense was applied until they did.
G) Case dismissed.
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There was another customer attack in a Mcdonalds over the Summer.
A women attacked an employee because they ran out of Chicken Mcnuggets.
WTF do these people think of when they go off for stupid stuff like this.
:cheers: Oz
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You go over the counter after an employee, you get what you get.
shamus
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I think they were nuts, but when do we expect from a culture that glorifies violence and perpetuates a false notion of personal rights?
Did she get what she deserved? I don't know... At least one of them is in the hospital with a fractured skull and charges are being pressed against them for criminal mischief and menacing.
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That's what they get for ordering a McBeatDown
with cheese...
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That's what they get for ordering a McBeatDown
with cheese...
And a McBroken Rib with a Big s'Mac...to go.
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I don't agree with what they did, but he went way over board....unnecessary use of violence.
all he had to do was push them back off the counter...yet he ran into the back and got a weapon....for two woman.... :rofl
Keep in mind these were not ladies. Not even close.
Female or not.... once they become a threat they are fair game. They stepped out of the realm of how to treat a lady.
In the heat of the moment I'm sure the fella was not thinking how much should I defend. If he'd just tried to calculate equal force the dang mess would probably still be going on. As it is.. it finished quick and business can go back to normal as soon as the trash is hauled off.
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The problem is most juries are going to see the initial hits as defense. The ones to keep them on the ground and controlled are going to be seen as him attacking a downed opponent. Personally once I had them down I would have retreated and only applied force again if they came after me, which goes along with AR self defense laws. Of course most sane people after getting the crap smacked out of them with a metal rod are going to not want anymore. For what it's worth the females deserved every hit but the poor guy is more than likely screwed if he goes before a jury unless he gets an outstanding lawyer.
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Keep in mind these were not ladies. Not even close.
Female or not.... once they become a threat they are fair game. They stepped out of the realm of how to treat a lady.
In the heat of the moment I'm sure the fella was not thinking how much should I defend. If he'd just tried to calculate equal force the dang mess would probably still be going on. As it is.. it finished quick and business can go back to normal as soon as the trash is hauled off.
he would have been much better off if he did exactly that.....use of enough force to stop the situation, but not to the point of what he did, that was way beyond the threat level.
I will bet money he gets more time then they do....
I was in prison with a guy who killed someone, that broke into his house. the jury decided he used excessive force to stop the burglar, and he got life for it.
for killing someone burglarizing his home at 2 in the morning :rolleyes:
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Good news is it looks like he has strong community support. McD fired him, but there is a defense fund started and a support group up on Facebook.
The dude should walk, imho.
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Good news is it looks like he has strong community support. McD fired him, but there is a defense fund started and a support group up on Facebook.
The dude should walk, imho.
wish you were on my jury...... :D
seriously though, he did go a bit over board, he is definitely gonna need a good lawyer, sad to say that is probably gonna be the deciding factor if he does time or not.
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he would have been much better off if he did exactly that.....use of enough force to stop the situation, but not to the point of what he did, that was way beyond the threat level.
I will bet money he gets more time then they do....
I was in prison with a guy who killed someone, that broke into his house. the jury decided he used excessive force to stop the burglar, and he got life for it.
for killing someone burglarizing his home at 2 in the morning :rolleyes:
Yes he could have waited to see if they kill him first.
In the latter incident.... hope all those jurrors suffer the consequences of their idiocy. I truely hope each one is burglarized and made to pay dearly for their bleeding heart. In hopes that innocent folks may not suffer for their actions.
Here in Texas we have a right to defend our home and property. There are rules of engagement for day and night. They do differ some.
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Yes he could have waited to see if they kill him first.
In the latter incident.... hope all those jurrors suffer the consequences of their idiocy. I truely hope each one is burglarized and made to pay dearly for their bleeding heart. In hopes that innocent folks may not suffer for their actions.
Here in Texas we have a right to defend our home and property. There are rules of engagement for day and night. They do differ some.
Texas has some of the better laws dictating on what you can do to protect ones self.
I still do not agree with what he did, heck one punch in the face would have stopped them,or how about just pushing them back of the counter when they jumped on it...instead of running in the back and grabbing a weapon to beat the crap outta two woman, :rolleyes:
he beat them down, broke their bones, he used it as an excuse for hurting someone, thinking he was gonna get away with it.
it would have been easy to stop them, he did not have to do what he did....
I guess I just don't agree with hitting a woman no matter what idiocy she is causing.
one punch would have laid them out, even that in my mind would have been too much, 99.999% of people who think they are badarses, once confronted, not backed down from, they become meek really don't want there faces smashed in.
He should have stayed at the counter and just pushed them back off as they tried to climb over it, someone else would have called the cops they would have been arrested and he would not be in trouble at all.
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only reason he's going to jail is because he has a record. a policy officer/security guard would have pulled his/her gun shot both of them until gun was out of bullets and no questions would have been asked. a little bit of paperwork and going home as a hero.
semp
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only reason he's going to jail is because he has a record. a policy officer/security guard would have pulled his/her gun shot both of them until gun was out of bullets and no questions would have been asked. a little bit of paperwork and going home as a hero.
semp
This
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Texas has some of the better laws dictating on what you can do to protect ones self.
I still do not agree with what he did, heck one punch in the face would have stopped them,or how about just pushing them back of the counter when they jumped on it...instead of running in the back and grabbing a weapon to beat the crap outta two woman, :rolleyes:
he beat them down, broke their bones, he used it as an excuse for hurting someone, thinking he was gonna get away with it.
it would have been easy to stop them, he did not have to do what he did....
I guess I just don't agree with hitting a woman no matter what idiocy she is causing.
one punch would have laid them out, even that in my mind would have been too much, 99.999% of people who think they are badarses, once confronted, not backed down from, they become meek really don't want there faces smashed in.
He should have stayed at the counter and just pushed them back off as they tried to climb over it, someone else would have called the cops they would have been arrested and he would not be in trouble at all.
The guy doesn't look very big. He got excited and was probably scared. Different folks handle that stress differently.
Nothing would have happened had the women not caused it. The women want to be badasses.... then they have to face the consequences. Just my opinion.
I feel the women got what they deserved.
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I like this guy's response to the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h3c12kDUwE&feature=related
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lol Watched that video and an ad for McDonalds was on bottom...... findtherightjob at McDonalds. :)
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I like this guy's response to the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h3c12kDUwE&feature=related
This guy has it right. And I'm afraid the cashiers downfall will be that a co-worker was trying to get him to stop. he paused for a few seconds, then began hitting again.
All parties will be charged and rightfully so. If he was in that much fear, he could have used the back door. And that is what prosocutors are going to push. He will have a tough time getting out of this one.
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This guy has it right. And I'm afraid the cashiers downfall will be that a co-worker was trying to get him to stop. he paused for a few seconds, then began hitting again.
All parties will be charged and rightfully so. If he was in that much fear, he could have used the back door. And that is what prosocutors are going to push. He will have a tough time getting out of this one.
lol...... I think simply scaring some folks in the courtroom would show how different reactions can be when fear takes over.
Ask the prosecutor what the woman was going to do next after she jumped over the counter. No maybes... no ifs... what exactly was she going to do. Nobody knows and neither did the cashier. He reacted to protect himself out of fear. That would even explain why he hit them more. Intelligent folks don't jump over counters and attack people. He was dealing with some psychotic individual. He was scared.
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I really hope a world class lawyer jumps in and donates his time to this case. This country has become SO BACKWARD when it comes to victim/assailant blame. The bad guys are becoming the victims and the good guys are the ones being prosecuted here.
It's absolutely ridiculous. There's no doubt that he was ticked off and took things a little too far but the whole thing STARTED when they jumped the counter and came after him! I can't say I wouldn't have done the same!
Take for example someone driving drunk. A drunk driver can be sitting still at a red light and get rear ended by a sober driver. Who gets blamed for that accident? Yes the drunk driver. Why? Because he wouldn't have gotten rear ended if he was obeying the law because he would not be out on the road while drunk if he were obeying the law. Do you feel that is right? Even though the idiot who rear ended him is a horrible driver and probably does not need to be behind the wheel in the first place? Well that's how it is.
Now take that example and apply it here. The women broke the law the second the jumped that counter and charged after him. I don't feel that he should be held accountable for what happens as a result. Yes perhaps he got a couple of strikes in there too many but we all know that they deserved it. His criminal record involved something that happened a decade ago and the fact that he was released and was able to get a job tells me that he's been (relatively) rehabilitated. I applaud him for actually working a job and not out on the streets again. If anything he should maybe get a slap on the hand for this incident but I don't feel the guy deserves to go back to prison.
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You can look at a film of a guy shooting 5 people and the news says.... the alleged shooter. :rofl
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The REAL criminal thing going on here was...PEOPLE EATING MCDONALDS FOOD.
For crissakes, that crappola will kill you, slowly. JUST SAY NO to McDonalds.
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So you could say by being clubbed by employee it was an attempted euthanasia, rather than just a beating? :D
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lol...... I think simply scaring some folks in the courtroom would show how different reactions can be when fear takes over.
Ask the prosecutor what the woman was going to do next after she jumped over the counter. No maybes... no ifs... what exactly was she going to do. Nobody knows and neither did the cashier. He reacted to protect himself out of fear. That would even explain why he hit them more. Intelligent folks don't jump over counters and attack people. He was dealing with some psychotic individual. He was scared.
I'm not taking any sides here, but what I was stating before was the obvious. He will go down just for what took place in the video. There was clearly a co-worker trying to stop him. The girls will be charged for what they did, but that is no green light to beat the crap out of them with a pipe. That is what the lawyers will state. They all have their faults in this one but to be honest, it could have been just the girls that faced charges. I do think he went a little over the edge. If someone comes at you, and after you hit them and they go down, are you allowed to keep beating them if they try to stand? That is what's gonna get him. He was right up to the point of hitting them after they were down. He had his opportunity to escape, in law terms here.
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Exactly Canacka.
The lawyers will argue, probably successfully, that he could have escaped WITHOUT resorting to violence. In that situation in the eyes of the law (and I don't necessarily agree with it) if you can escape that's what you're supposed to do.
One question I have that nobody has mentioned yet. Was the money counterfeit?
The women seemed a little over agitated about his questioning the validity of their currency.
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I'm not taking any sides here, but what I was stating before was the obvious. He will go down just for what took place in the video. There was clearly a co-worker trying to stop him. The girls will be charged for what they did, but that is no green light to beat the crap out of them with a pipe. That is what the lawyers will state. They all have their faults in this one but to be honest, it could have been just the girls that faced charges. I do think he went a little over the edge. If someone comes at you, and after you hit them and they go down, are you allowed to keep beating them if they try to stand? That is what's gonna get him. He was right up to the point of hitting them after they were down. He had his opportunity to escape, in law terms here.
No one reacts the same in fear. The other employee hollering stop means nothing. Fear can make a person unable to function fully, unable to hear, talk, or think straight. You set some folks off and your going to die.
Folks talk all day about reacting just enough..... but not a dang one can tell you just how much enough is..... and they sure can't do it when in fear for their safety.
No, simple fact here is the women set the stage and the show went on. It is no ones fault but their own. If they died doing it.... too bad. It was their choice to make and they made it.
Now if they said "I'm going to jump over this counter and slap you". Then you react accordingly. Here they failed to verbally state their intentions and voice their intended limitations. :rofl
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I'm not taking any sides here, but what I was stating before was the obvious. He will go down just for what took place in the video. There was clearly a co-worker trying to stop him. The girls will be charged for what they did, but that is no green light to beat the crap out of them with a pipe. That is what the lawyers will state. They all have their faults in this one but to be honest, it could have been just the girls that faced charges. I do think he went a little over the edge. If someone comes at you, and after you hit them and they go down, are you allowed to keep beating them if they try to stand? That is what's gonna get him. He was right up to the point of hitting them after they were down. He had his opportunity to escape, in law terms here.
like I said before an officer would have shot till the magazine was empty and they wouldnt be any question or charges brought up. and he wouldnt have been over the edge, all he had to do was say I was afraid for my life. that guy in the video could be all afraid he wants but still going to jail. double standard right there.
semp
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Seems like way to much caffeined up individuals. Sometimes I wonder if violent criminals are that way because of too much caffeine. I bet if someone were to do a study of caffeine consumption vs. violent criminals I bet the results would tell a revealing story.
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Seems like way to much caffeined up individuals. Sometimes I wonder if violent criminals are that way because of too much caffeine. I bet if someone were to do a study of caffeine consumption vs. violent criminals I bet the results would tell a revealing story.
:lol
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it's the damn reconstituted onions on the big mac they make me a lil crazy if I eat to many of them