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Title: Yak 3.
Post by: lyric1 on October 26, 2011, 08:11:31 PM
I think this will make it so we better learn how to fly it. :rock


http://www.aviation.ru/contrib/Andrey_Platonov/Yak-3/PilotManual/index.htm
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: STEELE on October 26, 2011, 09:47:57 PM
this part makes perfect sense!
   Check the position and altitude control valve gasoline. Altitude control lever must be in a position fully to himself, petrol tap lever in a position completely on my own.



 :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: bubbrubb on October 27, 2011, 12:51:22 AM
yak3 was one of the most iconic planes of the war, it should definitely be included in this game before the glocester meteor which was nothing but a side show.


That is like the russian equivalent of this game asking if the p47 is relevant.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Getback on October 27, 2011, 01:00:16 AM
Hmmm, interesting to say the least.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: MachFly on October 27, 2011, 01:08:17 AM
I think this will make it so we better learn how to fly it. :rock


http://www.aviation.ru/contrib/Andrey_Platonov/Yak-3/PilotManual/index.htm

Not too many people here will be able to read that  :lol, but thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: uptown on October 27, 2011, 01:17:01 AM
Not too many people here will be able to read that  :lol, but thanks for posting.

my puter comes with a super dooper translate button.


I hope we get the Yak3 . It'll be fun fly i bet
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Tank-Ace on October 27, 2011, 01:44:27 AM
Yak-3 wasn't really "iconic". Entered the show too late, and was too similar to another plane for it to be quite "iconic".
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: MachFly on October 27, 2011, 01:47:34 AM
my puter comes with a super dooper translate button.


I hope we get the Yak3 . It'll be fun fly i bet

Right, forgot about those.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: zack1234 on October 27, 2011, 02:01:05 AM
I read all of it :old:
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Nathan60 on October 27, 2011, 08:59:23 AM
yak3 was one of the most iconic planes of the war, it should definitely be included in this game before the glocester meteor which was nothing but a side show.


That is like the russian equivalent of this game asking if the p47 is relevant.

yeha but does it have  whistletips?
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: matt on October 27, 2011, 09:18:43 AM
what's the eta of the new addition when the decision made :headscratch:
next year :furious
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Slate on October 27, 2011, 10:20:58 AM
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x126/ScotRanger/Yak3-3.jpg)
(http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo104/sarcastro01/EAA%202010/EAA2010208.jpg)
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: ozrocker on October 27, 2011, 10:48:04 AM
what's the eta of the new addition when the decision made :headscratch:
next year :furious
well, you asked for it....... 2 weeks :aok



                                                                                                                                     :cheers: Oz
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: B4Buster on October 27, 2011, 11:22:55 AM
I suspect they have already started work on the next aircraft. IIRC, the B-29 didn't come too long after the poll considering how long it must have taken to model,
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: doc1kelley on October 27, 2011, 11:29:20 AM
I gotta say it... Screw the Yak, I want my beaufighter! :aok

All the Best...

    Jay

Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Simon on October 27, 2011, 11:35:28 AM
I keep voting Yak 3 purely for nostalgic reasons. It was one of my favourite rides in Fighter Ace. Amazing E retention, good mid-alt speed and a HUGE rudder that would flip you in mid air. We also had a squaddie who owns one (USMC_YakAce), so they carry a significance for our crew.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: skorpion on October 27, 2011, 11:52:32 AM
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x126/ScotRanger/Yak3-3.jpg)
(http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo104/sarcastro01/EAA%202010/EAA2010208.jpg)
ytdhfy347568ghdaetuykg

sorry, was wiping the drool off my keyboard.


hoping we get the yak this time around!
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Greebo on October 27, 2011, 12:17:51 PM
I'd prefer the Yak over the Me 410 because it seems likely HTC would update the whole Yak line at the same time. Maybe give us a Yak 1 to go with the 3, 9U and 9T. The Yak 1 would be very useful from an early Eastern Front scenario POV.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: titan312 on October 27, 2011, 12:45:36 PM
As I've said before......the Yak-3 is the illegitimate love child of the Yak-9 and Spit IX.  I need it!
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Tilt on October 27, 2011, 01:05:44 PM
I'd prefer the Yak over the Me 410 because it seems likely HTC would update the whole Yak line at the same time. Maybe give us a Yak 1 to go with the 3, 9U and 9T. The Yak 1 would be very useful from an early Eastern Front scenario POV.

Ideally the Yak1  (105P) of 40/41 and the Yak1 (105PF) of 42/43 the latter sometimes refered to as the Yak1b the former sometimes equipped with both rocket rails or bomb racks.

However the  Yak most present during the battle of Kursk was the Yak7B
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: pervert on October 27, 2011, 01:06:21 PM
I'd prefer the Yak over the Me 410 because it seems likely HTC would update the whole Yak line at the same time. Maybe give us a Yak 1 to go with the 3, 9U and 9T. The Yak 1 would be very useful from an early Eastern Front scenario POV.

+1 voted yak needs the update
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Karnak on October 27, 2011, 02:10:39 PM
Yak-7 of some sort would be nice too.  Remember, the Yak is to the VVS what the Spitfire is to the RAF and the Bf109 is the Luftwaffe and coverage of the type should be similar.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: lyric1 on October 27, 2011, 04:17:30 PM
Not too many people here will be able to read that  :lol, but thanks for posting.

My PC translates automatically I forget that at times when I am looking at foreign sites. Sorry.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: crazyivan on October 27, 2011, 04:25:32 PM
I really like the look of the yak-3 but with again the light ammo load what would make it anymore appealing than the yak-9? I'll give her a go if added but wont like most be my main ride.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Tank-Ace on October 27, 2011, 04:30:25 PM
Me-410.... Just saying  :bolt:.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Slade on October 27, 2011, 05:57:43 PM
Yak-3 will be a blast to fly.  Cant wait!  :O
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Devil 505 on October 27, 2011, 06:05:36 PM
Why wasn't there an option of "Just make 'em both already!"  :bhead
 I voted for the Yak.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff252/DropkickYankees/Yak-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Raphael on October 27, 2011, 06:16:23 PM
Ill log in right now to vote Yak already
darn hope that powered hub gets here soon! my addiction is itching!
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Tank-Ace on October 27, 2011, 06:28:52 PM
Guys, yak will be a slightly more manuverable, slightly better climbing Yak-9
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: JOACH1M on October 27, 2011, 06:31:34 PM
Why wasn't there an option of "Just make 'em both already!"  :bhead
 I voted for the Yak.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff252/DropkickYankees/Yak-3.jpg)
please tell me if that is an actual WW2 skin :pray :pray :pray
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: B4Buster on October 27, 2011, 06:31:50 PM
voted for the Yak
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: 10thmd on October 27, 2011, 06:36:35 PM
Voted for the yak



TO LOSE   :neener:
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Devil 505 on October 27, 2011, 07:18:26 PM
please tell me if that is an actual WW2 skin :pray :pray :pray
I dont know if it is a histroical scheme.
But I want it.  :rock
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: 2ADoc on October 27, 2011, 08:50:54 PM
I have flown both the Yak-3 and the P-51 in real life.  I personally like the Yak better.  Mind you the Yak I flew had an Allison in it, and the gear was a pain in the butt, but I did like it better than the P-51.  I also never got above about 10000 feet where the 51 really shined, and the Yak was built for.  I will be voting for the Yak.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Krusty on October 27, 2011, 08:57:54 PM
please tell me if that is an actual WW2 skin :pray :pray :pray

I don't know about the yellow on the tail, but it seems pretty standard fare. Even the tail isn't out of ordinary, I just don't know if the markings are historical or just made up.

It's nothing we don't see already, by the way. If you flew the Yaks much you'd notice that :P


(http://www.netaces.org/skins/yak9t/skin3.jpg)

And similar but different shades of green:

(http://www.netaces.org/skins/yak9u/skin1.jpg)
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: pervert on October 27, 2011, 09:14:59 PM
If those pictures Krusty posted are not a reason to vote yak I don't know what is? Hitech needs to lock Waffle in a room for a few weeks and perform his 3d magic on the whole yak line up, the latest 3D models are ridiculously good can't wait to see how the Yaks turn out.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Krusty on October 27, 2011, 09:25:07 PM
It will have the same speed and cannon load as a yak9u, will turn 10% tighter than a 109G6, and have a fuel duration in the 27-28 minute range based on 2x fuel burn in the MAs.

IMO it's one of those that really doesn't fill much of a need. Nice, yes. Rounds out the planeset a bit, yet. Will it see much use? No more so than the sporadic Yak9U use we already see. Honestly, how often do you see a Yak in-game?
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Tank-Ace on October 27, 2011, 09:57:09 PM
Used to see them fairly regularly. I always enjoyed seeing them, not too hot in the verticle preformance  :airplane:.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Krusty on October 27, 2011, 10:17:22 PM
Now that you mention it... I do recall they used to have a minor presence, but a noticable one. Over a year back. Then they kind of fell out of favor. I suppose that's just the whimsy of the LWA environment? All rides wax and wane in popularity.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Tank-Ace on October 27, 2011, 11:02:55 PM
Seems to be so. They WERE more common back about a year, year and a half ago. They seemed to be kind of a niche aircraft, IMO.  Fairly fast, particularly on the deck, yet with good manuverability. If I had to guess, most of the crowd drifted towards planes closer to one end of the spectrum or the other.


Kind of reminds me of the 110G. They were really popular for missions about 2-3 years back, then they kind of went through a period of relative disuse, and their numbers were starting to recover when I left.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: FireDrgn on October 28, 2011, 12:11:58 AM



              Yak3
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: AWwrgwy on October 28, 2011, 02:35:11 AM
please tell me if that is an actual WW2 skin :pray :pray :pray

I don't think there were any green and black Yak3s. Everything was grey by then.



wrongway
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Kazan_HB on October 28, 2011, 02:53:28 AM
(http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o196/mudrat00/YAK3White6800.jpg)
Marcel Albert Normandie Niemen
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Debrody on October 28, 2011, 02:57:39 AM
One thing against the Jak.
Its russian and the russki kommunists ruined my country, killed my greatfather, and brought the other one to the gulag for 10 years.

Btw. is it just me or it really looks like an la with a piston engine?
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Karnak on October 28, 2011, 03:31:51 AM
One thing against the Jak.
Its russian and the russki kommunists ruined my country, killed my greatfather, and brought the other one to the gulag for 10 years.

Btw. is it just me or it really looks like an la with a piston engine?
If we allowed misdeeds by the nations that built and used these things to bar us from flying the simulated ones, are there any that we'd be allowed to use with a clean conscience?

I can certainly understand your personal preferences in regards to that, though.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Debrody on October 28, 2011, 04:58:31 AM
Its only my personal opinion. Would be happy getting it tho.
Btw for Krusty: i get any jak in 2 turns in my g6. They turn noticably worse than the 109. The jak3 was a bit different in this role.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Kazan_HB on October 28, 2011, 05:37:04 AM
One thing against the Jak.
Its russian and the russki kommunists ruined my country, killed my greatfather, and brought the other one to the gulag for 10 years.

Btw. is it just me or it really looks like an la with a piston engine?

Germany with the Russians and Slovakia. Attacked my country in 1939

England and the USA, they have betrayed their allies at Yalta in 1945 ...
well! from today ...
Fly only Italian fighters   :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:  :bolt:
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: B4Buster on October 28, 2011, 08:02:26 AM
I don't think it will ever be a "common" plane to see, but I'm sure the Yak's usage will jump up some once it is updated (Yak-3 or not).
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: dirtdart on October 28, 2011, 08:25:04 AM
I am thinking it is going to be a low eny plane based off of performance and war record. Looks like 5 to 10 for me.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Shuffler on October 28, 2011, 09:19:38 AM
According to some on the 410 thread the 410 also carried a yak3 as armament lol
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: waystin2 on October 28, 2011, 09:21:23 AM
I am thinking it is going to be a low eny plane based off of performance and war record. Looks like 5 to 10 for me.

I concur Dirt.  It will definitely be a contender in the LW main as far as performance goes.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Tilt on October 28, 2011, 09:53:13 AM
please tell me if that is an actual WW2 skin :pray :pray :pray

Sorry its not............  those colours were were out of use (on Yaks)  by late 43. So you would find them on Yak9T's, Yak9D's, Yak1's and Yak7's

This however...............

(http://ram-home.com/ram-old/yak-3m.jpg)

or this

(http://www.air-and-space.com/20040828%20Camarillo/DSC_2826%20Yak-3M%20N529SB%20left%20rear%20l.jpg)

Would be more accurate IMO.

The nose spinner depicts the colours latterly chosen by the Normandie Niemen. The Lightening strike denotes that the ac flew as part of 303IAD. It was 303IAD that mostly controlled the skies above "The Battle" Operation Bagration and the subsequent capture of the Niemen between Minsk and the Baltic.

Bagration brought about the complete and utter collapse of the Whermachts Army Group Central and occurred about the same time that a (by comparison) minor incursion was made by Western Allies into Normandy.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Krusty on October 28, 2011, 10:26:09 AM
According to some on the 410 thread the 410 also carried a yak3 as armament lol

 :rofl :lol :aok

Priceless!
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Scca on October 28, 2011, 10:30:20 AM
this part makes perfect sense!
   Check the position and altitude control valve gasoline. Altitude control lever must be in a position fully to himself, petrol tap lever in a position completely on my own.



 :rofl :rofl

my personal favorite "give the command "from the screw," and received the answer "There is the propeller""
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: bustr on October 28, 2011, 02:30:01 PM
Did anyone notice how the russians center the gunsight?

Gunsight Centering Mark on Prop.
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8378/yak3guncenter.gif) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/695/yak3guncenter.gif/)

Anyone ever seen pictures of russian fighters with a mark on the back of the prop that didn't really make sense? Be interesting to see that. Possibly an historic art feature Waffel could use for our russian fighters.

Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: B4Buster on October 28, 2011, 02:34:08 PM
According to some on the 410 thread the 410 also carried a yak3 as armament lol

LMAO!!  :rofl
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: DrBone1 on October 28, 2011, 03:20:01 PM
Sorry its not............  those colours were were out of use (on Yaks)  by late 43. So you would find them on Yak9T's, Yak9D's, Yak1's and Yak7's

This however...............

(http://ram-home.com/ram-old/yak-3m.jpg)

or this

(http://www.air-and-space.com/20040828%20Camarillo/DSC_2826%20Yak-3M%20N529SB%20left%20rear%20l.jpg)

Would be more accurate IMO.

The nose spinner depicts the colours latterly chosen by the Normandie Niemen. The Lightening strike denotes that the ac flew as part of 303IAD. It was 303IAD that mostly controlled the skies above "The Battle" Operation Bagration and the subsequent capture of the Niemen between Minsk and the Baltic.

Bagration brought about the complete and utter collapse of the Whermachts Army Group Central and occurred about the same time that a (by comparison) minor incursion was made by Western Allies into Normandy.
Nice Tilt. You doing the new yak skins if we get it?   :pray
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Tilt on October 28, 2011, 05:17:50 PM
Nice Tilt. You doing the new yak skins if we get it?   :pray

LOL Greebo already has the pallet off pat with the La5FN................
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Tank-Ace on October 28, 2011, 05:39:36 PM
I concur Dirt.  It will definitely be a contender in the LW main as far as performance goes.

No more so than the Yak-9, and they aren't too common. IMO, its mostly because the Yak doesn't offer extermes of preformance in any one area.

It can do a bit of everything with reasonable preformance, but that leaves it vulnerable to any plane on the extreme end of the spectrum.

109K and 190D will BnZ/slash attack this thing to death, or will try to entice him into a looping match, which they know they have an edge in.

Spits and Niki's will out turn it, and tear it to shreads.

P-47's and P-51's will dive on it from 10k.


IMO, its vulnerable to extremes in preformance, which is why it is relativly rare. The same can be said of the C205, the La-5, etc. Both are deadly aircraft when they get even 1/2 a chance, but they don't usually see that chance against an equal opponent in a high preformance aircraft.
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: Mano on October 28, 2011, 05:49:36 PM
I voted for the Yak

The Yakovlev Yak-3 (Russian: Як-3)

Yakety yak (don't talk back)


(http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/WanakaWarbirds/Yak3/Yak3Taxying.jpg)


Quote
The Yakovlev Yak-3 (Russian language: Як-3) was a World War II Soviet fighter aircraft. Robust and easy to maintain,
 
it was much liked by pilots and ground crew alike.[1] It was one of the smallest and lightest major combat fighters fielded by
 
any combatant during the war, and its high power-to-weight ratio gave it excellent performance.[2] It proved a formidable
 
dogfighter. Marcel Albert, the official top-scoring World War II French ace, who flew the Yak in USSR with the Normandie-Niémen Group,
 
considered it a superior aircraft to the P-51D Mustang and the Supermarine Spitfire.



from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-3)


 :aok
Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: bustr on October 28, 2011, 06:19:27 PM
Even the IL2 used a gunsight centering mark on the prop.

(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1671/il2pbpgc.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/il2pbpgc.jpg/)

Has anyone checked recently if there are any marks on the russian props?

Title: Re: Yak 3.
Post by: FireDrgn on October 28, 2011, 07:02:31 PM
No more so than the Yak-9, and they aren't too common. IMO, its mostly because the Yak doesn't offer extermes of preformance in any one area.

It can do a bit of everything with reasonable preformance, but that leaves it vulnerable to any plane on the extreme end of the spectrum.

109K and 190D will BnZ/slash attack this thing to death, or will try to entice him into a looping match, which they know they have an edge in.

Spits and Niki's will out turn it, and tear it to shreads.

P-47's and P-51's will dive on it from 10k.


IMO, its vulnerable to extremes in preformance, which is why it is relativly rare. The same can be said of the C205, the La-5, etc. Both are deadly aircraft when they get even 1/2 a chance, but they don't usually see that chance against an equal opponent in a high preformance aircraft.


you dont see the yaks much because of the ammo loadout.  if you have to fight the yak9us fight your in for a great fight in any ride.

the ammo load out is not ideal for bnz or vulching.  you have to win the fight using the yak's advatages against the other plane sets.