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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Pyro on October 31, 2011, 10:33:30 AM
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Ok so how long befor production is finished on the Beaufighter :P
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Ok so how long befor production is finished on the Beaufighter :P
As soon as you learn to notice the big red line underneath the word befor...
:P
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now that the cat's out of the bag, i can admit i was voting Yak-3 from the jump. WE NEED MORE SOVIET PLANES!! i'm sure the 410 will be cool tho. better than a meteor, that's for sure.
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As soon as you learn to notice the big red line underneath the word befor...
:P
I saw that as I posted but did not go back to fix it... lol
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Ugh....I just threw up a little bit.....
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Ok so how long befor production is finished on the Beaufighter :P
judging by the above shortly after they have completed the Yak and the Meteor
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:cry
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:rock Cant wait to fly the 410
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I object! :cry
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT ME-410!!!
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Congrats to the Me410 fan club! ;)
I wanted the D520 and Ki-43 Oscar. From there I really didn't care but voted for the Meteor and Me410 when it came down to it.
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:aok
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As nathBDP would say "WOOOOWOOOOOO"
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cool, we vote for a fighter and end up with an attacker :rolleyes:
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So nobody voted "Don't Know / Don't Care"?
I thought that category might garner at least a few voters...
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cool, we vote for a fighter and end up with an attacker :rolleyes:
:cry :cry<<<
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what does the 410 bring to the game the 110 doesn't already have ?
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So nobody voted "Don't Know / Don't Care"?
I thought that category might garner at least a few voters...
I knew it...it was fixed from the get go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Do both planes. Do the Me-410 first, then the Yak-3 later on.
IMHO the Yak-3 will be flown the most.
Thanks for posting the results of the poll.
:salute
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So nobody voted "Don't Know / Don't Care"?
I thought that category might garner at least a few voters...
Abstentions aren't counted in the results.
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"Abstentions", nice. You must of not been born in Texas. :)
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Any chance of the two finalist both being modelled?
I voted for the 410, but Irish is right too.
<S>
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it was close . . .
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When is AH3 coming out?
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When is AH3 coming out?
2 weeks :noid
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OK, playing a little legalese....you said next plane in queue. This means there are other planes ahead of it? I know it's a bit early for Christmas though what, pray tell, are those planes ahead of the Me-410B?
If we had another round of voting I would do as I did this time, put the D.520 in the first three. Great to have this French 'turn and burn' bird in the game. With the Japanese plane, isn't this the bird that only has two 0.50cal guns? If so, I've always worried this was not enough firepower and would result in it being a hangar queen. Just my observation.
Boo
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Abstentions aren't counted in the results.
Maybe they aren't counted to the final winner, but they are an interesting footnote in the overall voting process...
Any chance you can just summarize how many voted this way? If you recorded it at all?
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what does the 410 bring to the game the 110 doesn't already have ?
that's a good question, fanboys will be along shorty to tell ya :aok
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OK, playing a little legalese....you said next plane in queue. This means there are other planes ahead of it? I know it's a bit early for Christmas though what, pray tell, are those planes ahead of the Me-410B?
If we had another round of voting I would do as I did this time, put the D.520 in the first three. Great to have this French 'turn and burn' bird in the game. With the Japanese plane, isn't this the bird that only has two 0.50cal guns? If so, I've always worried this was not enough firepower and would result in it being a hangar queen. Just my observation.
Boo
the point of the 43 is that it would be great in scenarios and in the early war. early war I-16s vs. KI-43 for example would be really great.
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Hitech, which version 410 will we be getting and what will be the weapon loadouts? There were quite a few different gun/ord packages and Im very curious ( Im sure others are as well ) what we will end up with. If you can shed some light on this it would be very much appreciated.
99Mendo
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that's a good question, fanboys will be along shorty to tell ya :aok
Don't even need fanboys. Tons of threads on both the Yak-3 and Me-410 lately.
Essentially the 410 has longer range, some of the guns packages are better than the 110G, carries almost all its bombs and guns internally so it's faster at almost all alts (except down by sea level, it's a little slower). It was faster up at altitudes where you might hunt bombers (if that's your concern), and its full-power altitude was slightly higher than the 110Gs.
A bare-bones description for ya.
Hitech, which version 410 will we be getting and what will be the weapon loadouts? There were quite a few different gun/ord packages and Im very curious ( Im sure others are as well ) what we will end up with.
The type doesn't come into play much. The 410A and 410B were the same. They only difference would really be which hangar options HTC chooses to add to the mix.
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The winner will be moved into the next available production queue.
Whats the chance they are working on something else already?
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Pretty good chance. Might mean redoing older ones, or adding new ones. Look at all the panzers and P-40s we just got, eh?
I don't think they have any gaps in the production schedule, so they must (logically) always be working on something!
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Pyro, I would be very interested in seeing this production queue :D
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I wonder how many people voted for the Me-410 because they thought it was better than the Me-262.
410 > 262.
:noid
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Pyro, I would be very interested in seeing this production queue :D
LOL! Wouldn't we all!
I think they don't list it for their own sanity... 5000-10000 community members clammoring to talk to HTC about why where and when their preferred ride is on the list, and only 10 or so HTC employees to respond! It's self preservation not to release that list! (my guess, at any rate...)
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So the 410 won?
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Late war blows.
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Late war blows.
And you think the Yak-3 would have changed that somehow?
The Me410 was operational end of '42 and early '43. That makes it midwar for the most part.
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So, the community selected another, easy to kill, bomb truck.....
How boring.
Any single-engine fighter would have been better than the redundant Me 410. We already have two versions of the 110, and the Mosquito (which will eat the 410 alive).
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LOL! Wouldn't we all!
I think they don't list it for their own sanity... 5000-10000 community members clammoring to talk to HTC about why where and when their preferred ride is on the list, and only 10 or so HTC employees to respond! It's self preservation not to release that list! (my guess, at any rate...)
Yeah, the suspense makes it more fun, anyway.
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How boring.
Quite possibly so!
It may very well end up being a dud (though part of me definitely hopes not)
I guess it depends on many factors, including your own wants/needs from the poll that didn't make it. Personally I would have found the Meteor rather boring, but others would have had a blast.
Edit: typo fix
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So, the community selected another, easy to kill, bomb truck.....
How boring.
Any single-engine fighter would have been better than the redundant Me 410. We already have two versions of the 110, and the Mosquito (which will eat the 410 alive).
i will do my best that you are going wrong, the 110 is a god fighter but the 410 will be better and i swear i will fly the 410 a complet year with out any other fighters to show its posibilitys :-)
cu christian
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Wow me-410 was a winner from the beginning. We can continue to fly yak9u and pretend its yak3. :joystick:
Now we need new boat : assault kayak :cheers:
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Awesome! :x I wonder if they will update the 110's when they add the 410... I am also hoping they have the 50mm as an option on the 410. :D
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The 110s have nothing (repeat: nothing) to do with the 410 at all.
They would require their own graphics update.
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I don't recall saying that the 410 is the same model as the 110.... Odd. :rolleyes:
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:cheers: (http://www.pigsonthewing.org/forums/images/smilies/drunk.gif) :rock (http://www.pigsonthewing.org/forums/images/smilies/groupjump.gif) :banana: :x (http://www.pigsonthewing.org/forums/images/smilies/muhaha.gif) :airplane:
( :ahand )
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I don't recall saying that the 410 is the same model as the 110.... Odd. :rolleyes:
Volron it's not like we know HTC's minds but common sense says there's not too good odds the 110 gets worked if 410's added. E.G. the 152 was left out of 190 updates. It might've been because of lack of time, but whatever the reason, you can see it's not exactly promising for that prospect.
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what does the 410 bring to the game the 110 doesn't already have ?
Better looks, internal and external
Maybe dive brakes on a few of the bomber variants
A bit more speed
50mm gun
glass cockpit
Maybe a bit more dogfighting performance, we won't know till we fly the physics. Don't hold your breath either way though.
Definitely better dogfighting performance if single seater's a hangar option. It shouldn't even compare with the two seater.
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I don't recall saying that the 410 is the same model as the 110.... Odd. :rolleyes:
So, just out of curiousity... why would you ask for the 110s to be update with the 410? I replied the way I did because normally such requests accompany "similar" airfames, as moot mentioned the 152 and the 190s, or say updating the FM-2 when the F4F-4 gets redone.
In hindsight I see how you can mean other things, that at the time of replying I hadn't considered.
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BK5 prease?!?
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So, just out of curiousity... why would you ask for the 110s to be update with the 410? I replied the way I did because normally such requests accompany "similar" airfames, as moot mentioned the 152 and the 190s, or say updating the FM-2 when the F4F-4 gets redone.
In hindsight I see how you can mean other things, that at the time of replying I hadn't considered.
How about we group up asking for "deeper development and some updates" for the 110 lineup to the 190 lineup too? Also the Ju-87/88, maybe? I see similar requests being made for all of those, and they're already existing in the game (some better represented than others, of cource, but still the same "problem").
And then we can keep it out of the new A/C poll discussions in favor of other Luft A/C not even in the game yet at all, like the 410s and 111s and 217s and etc....
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(http://dasmuppets.com/public/dlamb/410/schema_Me 410 - full cutout_1024.jpg) (http://dasmuppets.com/public/dlamb/410/schema_Me 410 - full cutout.jpg)
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Moot: Question for you, as you might know the answer. In that scan, and in the museum pics, the gun barrels protrude from the blast tubes. However I've never seen a war-time photo that shows this.... BUT, I admit they could be photos of planes that removed those guns for some reason.
Did they stick out of the nose a little bit, or were they recessed/hidden?
(edit: typo fix)
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(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/twinscomparison.jpg)
The speed on the deck for the Me410 will probably be higher in AH than the one I listed on that table.
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(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/twinscomparison.jpg)
The speed on the deck for the Me410 will probably be higher in AH than the one I listed on that table.
I remember the chart from when you put it up, but have not read it in a long time. Why the change in estimate, if I may ask?
(AH would use a fraction of the weight? New info? Adjusted your estimates?)
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are you f'in kidding me?
wow im dissapointed. looks like im buying a new xbox instead.
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it will be interesting to see how many of you that voted for 410 will get caught dead in it/.....I will me in a yak9u checking in on you all. hope you get out of it what you think you will..
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I know one of my squadies really wanted this plane and that's cool :aok
me I will never fly it.....well maybe once or twice if that 50 mm gun is added :O
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it will be interesting to see how many of you that voted for 410 will get caught dead in it/.....I will me in a yak9u checking in on you all. hope you get out of it what you think you will..
I won't fly it much, but I think it would be a fun thing to fight against.
Then again, I tend to use one of the boring, twin engined bomb trucks, so my view won't matter much.
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me I will never fly it.....
Never? Awww, c'mon now... It's good to try out all the planes in the game every so frequently. It keeps things fresh, introduces you to fun tactics (i.e. dogfighting in a B-25C solid nose), and helps keep you familiar with what they can do so you know how to kill them better if/when you run across them. :joystick:
It also helps you keep proficienct for FSOs, scenarios, etc, if/when you need to fly one when it counts!
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It has two engines... I'll fly it.
Give me the challenge of dog fighting in this thing, I bet it will be fun.
Probably a lot of :ahand going on, just remains to see by who...
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The drawing's a drawing, and the museum piece could be/is probably just curators trying to make it look good. Or making do with what they have IE those non standard barrels are all they had.
I don't think it's a big deal considering how much improvisation the plane had in the field, historically. Many if not most of the bomb bay gun packs happened (meaning developed into factory "variants") because field crews bootstrapped em first. Another E.G. the holes one 410 had punched thru its nose to add another pair of 7mm
So, the community selected another, easy to kill, bomb truck.....
How boring.
Any single-engine fighter would have been better than the redundant Me 410. We already have two versions of the 110, and the Mosquito (which will eat the 410 alive).
Widewing can you check your PMs?
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doppelposten
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(http://dasmuppets.com/public/dlamb/410/schema_Me 410 - full cutout_1024.jpg) (http://dasmuppets.com/public/dlamb/410/schema_Me 410 - full cutout.jpg)
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An early-ish model?
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An early-ish model?
What makes you say that? To me, it looks about normal.
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if this plane can do 380mph with a heavy loadout as the characteristics suggest it will be perked!
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The crying of ME-410 NOE raids will be immense. :aok
Oh yeah the V guys came back Bish again I guess the ME-410 wont be so bad after all. :D
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380 is at altitude and probably without any external stuff. If you look at speed/altitude performance chart, it's got that ~380 peak TAS, but elsewhere it's a marginally improved 110. IE it's not competitive with twins like P38, Mossie VI. If you look thru the old Me 410 threads you'll see this and more stuff hashed out.
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What makes you say that? To me, it looks about normal.
Canopy version.
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Specifically?
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funny thread, does anyone has any idea of what they voted for?
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Yes, we need more Soviet planes (for special events, anyway), but . . .
the ones we need are the Yak-1, LaGG-3, and Pe-2.
The Yak-3 got into the war after the Yak-9, and it has very similar performance to the Yak-9. So, it doesn't add much, in my opinion. Late-war Soviet is already well covered by the Yak-9, La-5, and La-7.
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funny thread, does anyone has any idea of what they voted for?
I voted for the one with the twirly thing on the front and the fiddly bits on the ends.
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Some 410 musings....
There's a small chance it was a few mph faster than that. The 388 oft-quoted has been commented on LEMB (or another forum like that, ww2aircraft.net, or something similar?) as possibly taken from a plane with external racks. Meaning the clean speed would be a few mph faster, mid 390-s. I read a short reference to this in a second place on the 'Net, but they didn't say the source, and could have been referring to the first place. More game-related I believe (one of the il2 mod pages, I think it was).
Not that I have found anything concrete. I suppose it doesn't change it much to add 7mph (12kmh quoted for racks, right?). Interesting to think about, though. Also, for comparison:
110g at 20k altitude.
100% fuel
360.........no gunpod or any ord loaded.
367 with wep
355.........gunpod only
360 with wep
347.........two rockets and gunpod
353 with wep
341.........four rockets and gunpod
348 with wep
330.........gunpod, drop tanks, and rockets
336 with wep
320.........gunpod, big bombs, drop tanks, and four rockets
324 with wep
"Clean" the 110G is close, but it is this NOE heavy role in the LWAs folks have mentioned that would see the larger performance gap, with less drag on the loadouts.
</musings>
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funny thread, does anyone has any idea of what they voted for?
38H (it was a write in) :D
As long as it has props :aok.............no more hairdryers
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single tail was better from the pilots mouth
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WMaker detailed in one of the last threads that something does not add up in the 410's aerodynamics (so little extra speed for so much more power and Cd or something), so I'd be wary of basing much speculation on a 110 loadout-varying speed survey. More so if the forward fuselage shape is the cause as DTango suspects.
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Never? Awww, c'mon now... It's good to try out all the planes in the game every so frequently. It keeps things fresh, introduces you to fun tactics (i.e. dogfighting in a B-25C solid nose), and helps keep you familiar with what they can do so you know how to kill them better if/when you run across them. :joystick:
It also helps you keep proficienct for FSOs, scenarios, etc, if/when you need to fly one when it counts!
true for the most part....I cant fly FSO or scenarios...my connection sux to bad for that, but ya I understand what you are saying.
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Better looks, internal and external
Maybe dive brakes on a few of the bomber variants
A bit more speed
50mm gun
glass cockpit
... Uh and MK 103, duh. 30mm with 50 cal ballistics. Probably will be the best A2A gun in the game by far.
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(http://dasmuppets.com/public/dlamb/410/schema_Me 410 - full cutout_1024.jpg) (http://dasmuppets.com/public/dlamb/410/schema_Me 410 - full cutout.jpg)
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What the heck...? It appears as thought that version you posted the pic of (nice one, by the way) has a pair of guns in the side, that look to be aimable to some extent..? And was there a pilot AND a gunner/radio operator/navigator?
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30mm with 50 cal ballistics
hello.
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I told ya so, I told ya so...never voted for anything else. People will really enjoy flying it!! :banana: :airplane:
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What the heck...? It appears as thought that version you posted the pic of (nice one, by the way) has a pair of guns in the side, that look to be aimable to some extent..? And was there a pilot AND a gunner/radio operator/navigator?
Yes the main variants were all two man crew. The single seater was intended (as far as Luftwaffe General Galland could help it) to be 100% of day-operations destroyer production (something like half and half MK 103 and BK 5), but it all went into the toilet for Germany right around that time.
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IZ GETZ ME MAH GERMANZ STUFFZ! NOW ALL I NEED IS MAH HE177 AND WHERE GOOD
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i lovez 410.
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Specifically?
Seriously?... :huh
Stop confusing me by answering my question with questions dernit, I can't make it any more simple. It looks like an earlier model to me, and I am asking what the resource you are pulling it from cites the model as Moot, or no habla ingles?
Edited: Personal peeve I have to ask the same question three+ times in a row indifferently.
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I am asking what it is about the canopy that you recognize as "earlier".
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Nice. I've been hoping for the Me 410 to get added for 10 years. ( http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,1089.msg14527.html#msg14527 ) but due to a HD failure this weekend I actually didn't get to vote in final round.
I've promised myself to do a Me 410-only tour once it arrives.
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I split off the performance discussion of this topic into its own thread in the aircraft forum.
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:salute Pyro!
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I split off the performance discussion of this topic into its own thread in the aircraft forum.
WTG Pyro! Now why didn't just say it's what I'm gonna do and be done with it? hehehe I know.. us old farts like it slow and easy and the youngsters just like it fast and furious.
All the Best...
Jay
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Seriously?... :huh
Stop confusing me by answering my question with questions dernit, I can't make it any more simple. It looks like an earlier model to me, and I am asking what the resource you are pulling it from cites the model as Moot, or no habla ingles?
Edited: Personal peeve I have to ask the same question three+ times in a row indifferently.
Missed the edit. There is no specific model type given for that schematic. I know I got it from one book, but all I remember now is that it also shows up in Warplanes of the Luftwaffe.
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SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THE GUNS ON THE SIDE ARE FOR PLEASE!!!
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Same as the guns in the front, only pointed in the other direction and aimed by the second crewman.
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Cool. Aimed? How much could they traverse?
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(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7948/schemaa1weaponsangles.jpg)
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Go to 3:50 in following clip to see their movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zvkbIJWSRI
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Go to 3:50 in following clip to see their movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zvkbIJWSRI
Hey Snefens, you know you can copy the link directly to that time on the clip? Get it where you want, and pause it. Right-click the slider bar and choose "copy video URL at current time" and then paste that.
Here's the same link for 3:50:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zvkbIJWSRI&feature=player_detailpage#t=230s
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I am asking what it is about the canopy that you recognize as "earlier".
The open ports in the aft section of it, although I may be wrong about it being time specific. Running out of time today, but I'll try to find where the source is that has me thinking the streamlined version came out later as a later development and the demand for the 410 as a faster bomber intercpetor peaked before it eventualy was cancelled completely, mostly because of the bombers the Luft so desperatley wanted the 410 (and anything else) to stop.
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Go to 3:50 in following clip to see their movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zvkbIJWSRI
Great film...thanks for postin' it. Very clear display of rear gunner ability. :salute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRVfvRG6XVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRVfvRG6XVE) animation of rear gun used on spitfire.
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Yes, we need more Soviet planes (for special events, anyway), but . . .
the ones we need are the Yak-1, LaGG-3, and Pe-2.
The Yak-3 got into the war after the Yak-9, and it has very similar performance to the Yak-9. So, it doesn't add much, in my opinion. Late-war Soviet is already well covered by the Yak-9, La-5, and La-7.
While the Yak-3 and Yak-9U were of similar vintage, they were different in several ways. The -3 was considered more maneuverable, but a somewhat slower in terms of maximum speed. From what I've read, the -3 climbed better and accelerated faster, while turning smaller circles at higher rate. Performance wise, the difference isn't unlike that between the Bf 109G-14 and Bf 109K-4, and greater than the difference between the P-51B and P-51D.
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While the Yak-3 and Yak-9U were of similar vintage, they were different in several ways. The -3 was considered more maneuverable, but a somewhat slower in terms of maximum speed. From what I've read, the -3 climbed better and accelerated faster, while turning smaller circles at higher rate. Performance wise, the difference isn't unlike that between the Bf 109G-14 and Bf 109K-4, and greater than the difference between the P-51B and P-51D.
I hear you. Still, for late war, we are well covered right now, but for early to mid-war Eastern Front scenarios, we need the Yak-1, LaGG-3, and Pe-2.
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The wierd thing is that it is the Yak3 that epitomises the late VVS Yak variant more than the belated Yak9U.
The Yak 3 VK105 PF2 was in frontline action from early June 44 reaching a total 4480 produced before the Yak3 finished the war in Manchuria and production had switched to the VK107 type (never to see combat in WWII)
The Yak 9U (VK107) was under combat assessment with one regiment from October 44 to January 45 when only then it was released to subsequent combat regiments totalling approx 2500 produced by mid 45 with approx 750 on strength by Mid May 45.
Some Yak front line introduction dates followed by approx end of production dates
Yak1 (from the I-26-2) June 41 to early 43 {M105}
Yak1(b) (from the Yak1) early 43 to late 43 {M105}
Yak7 (from the UTI26 trainer) Dec 41 to mid 42 {M105}
Yak7b (from the Yak7) mid 42 to mid 44 (main plant has stopped production Dec 43) {M 105 to VK105PF}
Yak9 (std) (from Yak7d/v/b)Nov 42 - - - -
Yak9T (from Yak9) July 43 to late 44 {M 105 to VK105PF}
Yak9D (from Yak9) July 43 to late 44 {M 105 to VK105PF}
Yak3 (from Yak1M dev.) June 44 to mid 45 {VK105 PF2}
Yak9M (from the Yak9T) mid 44 to mid 45 ( A Yak9D in a Yak9T fuselage ){Vk105PF to VK105PF2 after Oct 44}
Yak9U (from Yak9T/D) late 44 to late 45. {Vk107}
Some 35,000 plus Yak fighter variants had been produced by the war end................
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Yep, having only two Yaks in the planeset really makes for a big hole in it.
Yak-1, Yak-7b and Yak-9 is the bare minimum which should be added.
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Yep, having only two Yaks in the planeset really makes for a big hole in it.
Yak-1, Yak-7b and Yak-9 is the bare minimum which should be added.
:aok I agree
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Yep, having only two Yaks in the planeset really makes for a big hole in it.
Yak-1, Yak-7b and Yak-9 is the bare minimum which should be added.
Agreed the best spread for me would be
Yak1 {M105PA}
Yak7b {M105PF}
Yak9D {M105PF}
Yak9T {VK105PF}
Yak3 {VK105PF2}
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I would much rather have a Yak-1 and then a LaGG-3 before any other Yak variants.
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P-47....
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When is AH3 coming out?
Ask not for AH 3 ,ask for AH 3D ;)
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P-47....
We have a higher density of P-47s than we do of any other aircraft.
Seven Spitfires covering from 1940 through 1945. One point one seven models per year covered.
Six Bf109s covering from 1940 through 1945. One model per year covered.
Five P-47s covering from 1943 through 1945. Two and a half models per year covered.
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now that the cat's out of the bag, i can admit i was voting Yak-3 from the jump. WE NEED MORE SOVIET PLANES!! i'm sure the 410 will be cool tho. better than a meteor, that's for sure.
We need a whole load of twins. I voted 410 but we could also use the Beau, the A-26, the Pe-2, the Blenheim, and even the Ki-45. This would do a lot for scenario play and would also add quite a bit of color to the MA.
I reckon they'll model the remote guns in some way analogous to RL. You sight and move and either one or both guns track - ie, each gun is constrained.
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I'd say I agree we need more twins -- be it fighters, attackers, bombers.
I don't think the Blenheim has much use. It was obsolete when the war started. It didn't have much of a career. It would be nice to have some bombers in that class (old, slow, weak bombload) for all the many early scenarios and as a stand-in for other planes, but there may be a better solution than the Blenheim. That said, the Blenheim is rather iconic... It does hold some sentimental appeal!
The A-26 IMO is one of those things folks want because it's uber. I recall more the photos I saw of them flying as level bombers in WW2, rather than as heavily-laden, bombs-under-wings, turn-fighting, cannon-armed-strafers...
I'd like an A-26 if it was just a fast level bomber. That wouldn't be worthy of perkage (or, at least not much). What I don't like is the idea of what folks describe as a super turn fighter, nimble, fast, climbs like a rocket, carries 8k or ord and has a nose bristling with enough guns to orbit Schwarzeneger. THAT setup doesn't appeal so much as the level bomber I recall first reading about when I was younger.
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What's funny is when the A-26 get's added, some will treat it like a fighter only to find out that they are easy pickings against a real fighter. :lol
Which actually has me wanting to ask, the A-26 vs the Me-410. What are the advantages and disadvantages that each hold against the other, both with fight each other and as a comparison.
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410s more on the fighter side, a26 more on the bomber side... like how you can fly an A-20G like a fighter but it really isn't one?
I actually think a-20G would be a harder fight for the 410, assuming top speeds and high alts don't come into play.
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I actually think a-20G would be a harder fight for the 410, assuming top speeds and high alts don't come into play.
The A-20 has significantly lower wingloading (by my calcs) and would probably be a more vicious tangle. The 26 is about 20mph faster. In short, I think your assessment is probably about right.
I should say, the 20 is kind of a dangerous bird. I've flown it and gotten kills in it. My main problem with that one has been ripping its wings off but it has a wingloading that maxs at about 43.7 psf, from what I can see. This means, when it's light, it's got a good sustained turn capability, assuming, as I do, that it's got a good enough powerloading to crank the big bank angle.
I think the 26 is going to be a real BnZ strike bird - now you see it, now you don't.
Regardless, I'm looking forward to trying to pull diving lead shots in the 410. I can't seem to aim well past the schnoots of most of my rides.
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I'm curious how HTC will model bomb bay aerodynamics. If they model it. Cause you have the cockpit glass floor to see thru if the bay doors are open, on top of the glass cockpit sections. Does anyone even have a screen set up large enough to use that? But you could just look fwd+down.. Doesn't that almost sound like it's as much of an advantage as flying with external view? It sounds like a non negligible factor in dogfighting performance, to be assessed with whatever the 410's actual combat flight performance is. But then it would only apply for 2x 131 + 2x 151 loadout.
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Moot: I've seen the footage showing how the external panel folds inwards when the doors open, but what's there when it is closed? A hole into the bomb bay? A separate glass panel? I never understood why they did that, really.
F3 gives a very large camera angle on all sides, allowing almost perfect SA for anything in your front hemisphere. I think fears of this downard view are unnecessary for AH. In an F1 mode it will only allow for better lead and only if you're perfectly in plane with the target. If you're doing banked shots, crossing shots, etc, it just won't help at all.
It might be good to note this if you're trying to getaway from a tight turning 410, stay at an angle so you're not in his window! (or... something like that)
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What fears?
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Not yours, just some comments on the forums about that window and excessive concern about how easy it would be to pull lead on a target, comparisons to F3 mode, etc.
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I don't understand what you mean about "what there is" when the bay doors are closed. The low front glass panel swings open and shut. That's all there is to it.
The cockpit floor has a glass panel aft of that swinging front panel. You can see thru where the bay doors would be. "Perfectly" aligned is no problem, people do that all the time when lining up their shots e.g. in fighters with the worse cockpit bars. Doesn't help "at all" is exaggerated - it's at least a leg up on everyone else's SA. It'll make a major difference for me. It's a glass cockpit, literally.
Leading bombers will be a piece of cake with this. And 103/BK5's reach.
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All right! Me-410! :rock
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I don't understand what you mean about "what there is" when the bay doors are closed. The low front glass panel swings open and shut. That's all there is to it.
The cockpit floor has a glass panel aft of that swinging front panel. You can see thru where the bay doors would be.
That's what I meant by "what is there?" -- thanks for the clarification.
Like you mention, though, this would only be helpful in certain loadouts, and if the bomb bay has at least 1 bomb in it (in AH an empty bomb bay doesn't open).
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All right! Me-410! :rock
No sane Liberator driver is excited about seeing an Me410. You sure that's O2 you're breathing? :bolt:
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(in AH an empty bomb bay doesn't open).
Only true if it started empty. If it had bombs in it at the start of the sortie, the bomb bay doors will always work.
There is a drag penalty to having bomb bay doors open.
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Are you sure? I seem to recall some problems with the Ju88 after dropping my bombs, but it has been a while and I could be wrong. I knew about starting empty, but I thought there was an issue opening them up after you were done, as well.
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Yes you only get the "plane has no bay doors" message if you spawned empty.