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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Rob52240 on November 08, 2011, 11:51:19 AM
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Nov 28 they will be airing the top 40 challenges they've done and voted on by fans.
If you're not familiar....
Here is their "Drive through Alabama Challenge"
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/02/nascarsucks_topgear.jpg)
So interesting that 60 minutes did a piece on it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG0D2nRGrQ
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:rofl
I agree
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Nov 28 they will be airing the top 40 challenges they've done and voted on by fans.
If you're not familiar....
Here is their "Drive through Alabama Challenge"
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/02/nascarsucks_topgear.jpg)
So interesting that 60 minutes did a piece on it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG0D2nRGrQ
i've seen a couple recent episodes that they've done at their home location, bashing pretty much anything american again. including the cts. personally, besides doing it for the show, i think they're jealous that they can't build reliable performance as well as we can. :devil
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i've seen a couple recent episodes that they've done at their home location, bashing pretty much anything american again. including the cts. personally, besides doing it for the show, i think they're jealous that they can't build reliable performance as well as we can. :devil
Not really, remember the Ford GT.
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Not really, remember the Ford GT.
reliable and affordable high performance.......
American
mustang
camaro
corvette
cadillac cts
dodge challenger
British
import american, german, and japanese stuff
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clarkson owned a Ford GT and hammond owns a 60s Charger (RT iirc), another muscle car and a Harley ...
btw the beeb over here have been showing the US TG recently, nowhere near as bad as I was expecting from the reviews here :)
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import american
:rofl
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clarkson owned a Ford GT and hammond owns a 60s Charger (RT iirc), another muscle car and a Harley ...
btw the beeb over here have been showing the US TG recently, nowhere near as bad as I was expecting from the reviews here :)
i can't stomach the american top gear. i've tried 3 times. it's bland.
i think you're right. if i recall, the ford gt was troublesome to the point that he sold it. was probably a friday car. :devil
hampster does own a 1968 mustang gt390 fastback, and possibly that charger. i think capt. slow owns some sort of mercedes.
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They often have a point about plastic interiors, not just american cars.
Caddy's should be a bit more upscale imo. They do claim to be a luxury brand.
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they confused me with their dodge viper review.
"This is a great car, but its an awful car!"
"I really love this car, but its an awful car!"
Then they made an episode praising its speed, then saying it wasent fast at all.
:headscratch:
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We routinely have ford GT's on one lift and lambos or ferrari's on the lift at side by side.
Even a Lamborghini Reventon looks like a kit car compared to the ford GT (which will idle all day with the a/c on) once you start taking off panels and covers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMuPknhk67I
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They often have a point about plastic interiors, not just american cars.
Caddy's should be a bit more upscale imo. They do claim to be a luxury brand.
my neighbor has an 010 cts, but his is only a six banger. he loves the hell out of it. my aunt has an 09, with the same responses. i don't think either of those interiors are plasticy.
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they confused me with their dodge viper review.
"This is a great car, but its an awful car!"
"I really love this car, but its an awful car!"
Then they made an episode praising its speed, then saying it wasent fast at all.
:headscratch:
that's them showboating for the cameras. they did the same thing with a z06 vs an audi something or other. i was kinda shocked tha owdi didn't break during the beating they were inflicting.
he basically said the vette is a pos.....but he'd still buy it over the owdi, 'cause that's what made it fun to drive.
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They like to pick on America, they also like to pick on every other country they mention. Lets not be like the Mexican ambassador and complain about it like we're being singled out.
I'm especially fond of when they make fun of Germans.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tovsumS7CXU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7MMgHJKnVfo#t=578s
:D
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my neighbor has an 010 cts, but his is only a six banger. he loves the hell out of it. my aunt has an 09, with the same responses. i don't think either of those interiors are plasticy.
People can like or dislike what they want. But a caddy doesn't feel nearly as nice on the interior as a merc, bmw or audi.
I love the exterior of the CTS (the styling is cool), but I don't drive around looking at it from the outside all day.
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They like to pick on America, they also like to pick on every other country they mention. Lets not be like the Mexican ambassador and complain about it like we're being singled out.
I'm especially fond of when they make fun of Germans.
personally, i enjoy the show. i just noted that they don't seem to like anything american.
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People can like or dislike what they want. But a caddy doesn't feel nearly as nice on the interior as a merc, bmw or audi.
I love the exterior of the CTS (the styling is cool), but I don't drive around looking at it from the outside all day.
but here's the difference.
at 50k miles, when the owdi starts breaking, the cadi will still be going strong. at 100k miles when the bmw starts breaking, the cadi will still be going strong. mercedes smell funny inside, but i haven't experienced them breaking as the owdis and beemers. :devil
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That's right cap, those german imports are undependable junk and aren't worth the money. The only reason so many are on the road in the US is because topgear likes them. The cts is pretty much the best sedan ever made but no one knows it yet but cap.
I like when cap is in his hater mode. He reminds me of beetle in a airbus vs boeing thread.
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That's right cap, those german imports are undependable junk and aren't worth the money. The only reason so many are on the road in the US is because topgear likes them. The cts is pretty much the best sedan ever made but no one knows it yet but cap.
I like when cap is in his hater mode. He reminds me of beetle in a airbus vs boeing thread.
:rofl
i go by what i see. i constantly see audis start breaking around 50k miles. i can't stand audis, and will never have anything good to say about them.
i like bmw's, and if i were gonna buy myself a euro car, it would be a beemer. but the fact is that i see them do their impression of audis at around 100k miles.
i don't care for mercedes.....no real reason, i just don't care for them. i also never see any major problems out of them. that's why my only comment about them was that they smell funny inside. :devil
almost forgot.....although my neighbor, and my aunt like their cts's........personally........th ey look like someone puked. :noid
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You should see some of the CTSs around here. I have seen 2 black ones both touting 800 RWHP. Nice n drivable too.
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My favorite insult may have been when Clarkson was testing an Audi and couldn't get the trip odometer to work. He mentioned that this is especially bad because it was installed by a German, who will be shot at dawn for his mistake.
Or when James said that "The Russians are to making cars, as the Germans are to making... Love"
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Yeah they like to hate on American cars, until they put their foot down and American HP kicks them in the ass. That usually brings a smile to their faces.
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Yeah they like to hate on American cars, until they put their foot down and American HP kicks them in the ass. That usually brings a smile to their faces.
yea, but then to make themselves feel better, they compare it to something stupidly expensive....that still only makes 400-500hp.
or, if any of you saw when they had the 2009(or whatever year it was...it was the older style), when they'd go through the hammerhead, oversteering, in the mustang, they're "all over the track". when it's one of their beloved mercedes, or audis doing the very same thing.....it's more like "look at the control of that car in the hammerhead!" i think they did the same thing with the corvette, and camaro. they just do not like american stuff. or they're seriously jealous of it. :devil
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The basic Mustang is crap. Clarkson actually likes the Mustang as long as it is a proper one like the Roush version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrbxdh5Bjcw
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You should see some of the CTSs around here. I have seen 2 black ones both touting 800 RWHP. Nice n drivable too.
i don't discount the cts's. i know chevy....oops......cadillac has done a friggin GREAT job with them. i just think that that design looks like someone puked on a cylon.
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The basic Mustang is crap. Clarkson actually likes the Mustang as long as it is a proper one like the Roush version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrbxdh5Bjcw
the basic mustang used to be crap. that is no longer the case. :aok
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3f-BKbaJ70 :aok
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3f-BKbaJ70 :aok
i gotta get home to see the vid. i dunno what the problem is, but it's hit or miss.....mostly miss......on youtube videos opening on this computer at work.
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LMAO. Why would they like American cars? Lets take a look at the list above;
mustang - They gave a good review
camaro - is built on an Australian chassis
corvette - the one they were given to test literally fell apart within 5 laps
cadillac cts - just doesn't compare to it's competition -Audi A4 and BMW piss all over it in every department.
dodge challenger - is pooh
Seriously. No-one cares about American cars in Europe. They use too much gas, are poorly made and cost too much.
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LMAO. Why would they like American cars? Lets take a look at the list above;
Seriously. No-one cares about American cars in Europe. They use too much gas, are poorly made and cost too much.
Actually, Europeans love American Muscle. I believe it was car&driver who took the mustang, Challenger, and camaro on a european tour. While out, they said whenever they parked somewheres, they had eruopeans gawking the muscle cars the same way americans gawk at the suped up riceburners from japan.
They even had a guy offer to trade his Porshe 911 for their challenger.
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I don't think They hate American cars, Jeremy loved that ZR1 after he got tired of making fun of the plastic rear end. As far as the CTS's go, I've seen quite a few problems with the caddy motors. Broken intake valve spring, and a cam phaser issue in another. The V's however don't have the issues, becouse they are Gen III/IV LS engines not caddilac. Not impressed with the regular CTS's but the V's are a completely different animal.
:salute
BigRat
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Actually, Europeans love American Muscle.
Actually, they don't. People looked at them because they were different, because they hadn't seen them before, because no-one drives them. It's something they saw in a movie once, no something they would own. Europeans want MPG not BHP.
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Actually, they don't. People looked at them because they were different, because they hadn't seen them before, because no-one drives them. It's something they saw in a movie once, no something they would own. Europeans want MPG not BHP.
>Implying that your opinion is the opinion shared by every individual in Europe.
:rolleyes:
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Actually, they don't. People looked at them because they were different, because they hadn't seen them before, because no-one drives them. It's something they saw in a movie once, no something they would own. Europeans want MPG not BHP.
guess this explains how a british car show that talks about cars with massive horsepower is so popular, eh?
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LMAO. Why would they like American cars? Lets take a look at the list above;
mustang - They gave a good revieworiginally, they didn't. it was only on that blog thing that i saw a really good review of the stang, against the camaro and challenger.
camaro - is built on an Australian chassisyep
corvette - the one they were given to test literally fell apart within 5 lapsi would imagine it fell apart, due in part to some similar circumstances as the tesla didn't make 50 miles in their possession before the batteries died.
cadillac cts - just doesn't compare to it's competition -Audi A4 and BMW piss all over it in every department.a4..... :rofl :rofl i could run down a list of the crap i've replaced on them, long before it should've gone bad. including the flex pipe today, on......an a4. :rofl :rofl
dodge challenger - is poohsorta correct. it is a stunningly beautiful car, and the srt will perform very well. it is overpriced though. that should make it fit in with most german stuff. :devil
Seriously. No-one cares about American cars in Europe. They use too much gas, are poorly made and cost too much.
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The basic Mustang is crap. Clarkson actually likes the Mustang as long as it is a proper one like the Roush version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrbxdh5Bjcw
am i the only one that noticed the car he was driving was a 6 cylinder automatic?
and the bullit replica he drove? does he REALLY think it was called the gt390, for horsepower reasons?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3f-BKbaJ70 :aok
jeeze....c'mon dood........those are old. 4.6 liter? c'mon. get with the times. at least go for the 5 liter. while the 4.6 liters could easily be built to over 700hp, they sucked from the factory. the 5 liter on the other hand........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXusbh5hb8U
Ford and Chevy...just different flavors of awesome
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here's the hampster playing with a gt500...i think it's an 05. again, he doesn't know what the gt500 is for....and it's not for the horsepower. i think they found it to be in the 420hp range on that 4.6 liter. not bad for an engine only rated at 450.
the new gt500's use supercharged 5.4's rated at 540hp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O46E0gCF5os
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I'm a Top Gear fan, for the comedy not the cars.
The ironic thing about Clarkson ragging on Americans is the theme music for his own show is... ... classic American rock. He does it all in good nature though, and he seems to pick on the Germans, French, Albanians and Australians just as much.
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I'm a Top Gear fan, for the comedy not the cars.
The ironic thing about Clarkson ragging on Americans is the theme music for his own show is... ... classic American rock. He does it all in good nature though, and he seems to pick on the Germans, French, Albanians and Australians just as much.
yea i think you're probably right. i do really enjoy their show. a lot.
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It's simple. If American muscle cars were wanted in Europe, by Europeans, they'd build them there. They don't because no-one would buy one. Ford and GM apparently agree because they have absolutely no intention of making muscle cars for a European market.
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I don't think They hate American cars, Jeremy loved that ZR1 after he got tired of making fun of the plastic rear end. As far as the CTS's go, I've seen quite a few problems with the caddy motors. Broken intake valve spring, and a cam phaser issue in another. The V's however don't have the issues, becouse they are Gen III/IV LS engines not caddilac. Not impressed with the regular CTS's but the V's are a completely different animal.
:salute
BigRat
i've only worked on an older one...i think it was an 01 or 02? i honestly thought it was a bmw engine in there. the suspension was crap on this one, but that was only due to the fact that the owner had let it go to that point.
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It's simple. If American muscle cars were wanted in Europe, by Europeans, they'd build them there. They don't because no-one would buy one. Ford and GM apparently agree because they have absolutely no intention of making muscle cars for a European market.
and yet, they DO sell american cars in Europe.
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>Implying that your opinion is the opinion shared by every individual in Europe.
:rolleyes:
You should probably not participate in such a discussion unless you've actually been to Europe and seen how devoid of American cars it is. Literally the only American car I saw over there was the Ford KA, which is a little hatchback that they don't even sell domestically (which makes sense, the market is totally different). While it may be a bit different in Britain, they honest-to-goodness don't like American cars over there.
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You should probably not participate in such a discussion unless you've actually been to Europe and seen how devoid of American cars it is. Literally the only American car I saw over there was the Ford KA, which is a little hatchback that they don't even sell domestically (which makes sense, the market is totally different). While it may be a bit different in Britain, they honest-to-goodness don't like American cars over there.
i'm actually ok with that(as if my opinion really matters). they seem to have two extremes. good performing cars....stupidly expensive....and then the cars that the "normal" people can afford.
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It's simple. If American muscle cars were wanted in Europe, by Europeans, they'd build them there. They don't because no-one would buy one. Ford and GM apparently agree because they have absolutely no intention of making muscle cars for a European market.
Repairing a car seems to cost a lot, if it's not made in it's native country of origin. My dad bought a TR8 in 1980. The gear box went south in about 20,000 miles. It cost him around 3,000 to fix in 1984; and it took about a year. The car was only about 12,000 new. The a/c compressor went out around that time, and it was $600 for the part.
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i'm actually ok with that(as if my opinion really matters). they seem to have two extremes. good performing cars....stupidly expensive....and then the cars that the "normal" people can afford.
When I was in Germany there were tons of BMW and Mercedes all over the place. I think our idea of accessible is a bit different over here as well. Midrange sedans from mid-high range manufacturers are popular as well, not just tiny hatchbacks and coupes with lawnmower engines.
Of course another reason for the prevalence of domestic autos is protective tariffs from what I understand, especially in Germany. A Chevy Cobalt or whatever can't really compete when it's the same price as a low end 3 series.
I was just looking through my pictures and the only one of an American car I had was a Ford Mondeo that I happened to snap because it had a Luxembourgian license plate... it's funny because I don't recognize many of the cars because so many of them are Renault, Citroen, FIAT, Opel, etc. that we don't have here...
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When the host say Merc, whom thinks they mean Mercurys?
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When I was in Germany there were tons of BMW and Mercedes all over the place. I think our idea of accessible is a bit different over here as well. Midrange sedans from mid-high range manufacturers are popular as well, not just tiny hatchbacks and coupes with lawnmower engines.
Of course another reason for the prevalence of domestic autos is protective tariffs from what I understand, especially in Germany. A Chevy Cobalt or whatever can't really compete when it's the same price as a low end 3 series.
I was just looking through my pictures and the only one of an American car I had was a Ford Mondeo that I happened to snap because it had a Luxembourgian license plate... it's funny because I don't recognize many of the cars because so many of them are Renault, Citroen, FIAT, Opel, etc. that we don't have here...
i think that tarriff thing works both ways, and if i;m not mistaken(which i very well may be?), that is a large part of why bmw, subaru, toyota, and a host of others are now built here in the us?
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SOMETIMEs i just can't let things go...even when i know full well i should.
someone mentioned that american cars aren't popular in the uk......yet, there seems to be no shortage of businesses specializing in importing them for buyers,.....
http://www.shipmycar.co.uk/2011/03/mustang-uk-buyer-guide/
http://www.mustangsuk.com/
http://www.stangs.co.uk/
i could put more. i'm also fairly confident that there are just as many importing camaros, and corvettes. or possibly these guys like losing money by importing unpopular cars.
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SOMETIMEs i just can't let things go...even when i know full well i should.
someone mentioned that american cars aren't popular in the uk......yet, there seems to be no shortage of businesses specializing in importing them for buyers,.....
http://www.shipmycar.co.uk/2011/03/mustang-uk-buyer-guide/
http://www.mustangsuk.com/
http://www.stangs.co.uk/
i could put more. i'm also fairly confident that there are just as many importing camaros, and corvettes. or possibly these guys like losing money by importing unpopular cars.
If you have to go to a specialized importer to buy something then that means that the market isn't very big, logically. I can buy a Volkswagen, for instance, anywhere...
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If you have to go to a specialized importer to buy something then that means that the market isn't very big, logically. I can buy a Volkswagen, for instance, anywhere...
this is true....but why would you? i mean....a volkswagen........ :noid
or it could be a way around govt regulations that make it harder to own said vehicles.......
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cant speak for all of europe obviously but Tinman has it about right and Tyrannis has plainly never been here.
some UK base prices:
Camaro £32k ($51k)
Corvette C6 £53k ($85k)
Corvette Z06 £68k ($110k)
Challenger £42k ($67k)
Shelby GT500 £49k ($75k)
now bear in mind that something like this for £15k ($24) will be quicker and more fun on our UK roads:
(http://www.torquestats.com/static/cars/factory/66/main_66.jpg?1205963288)
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cap
Yes American cars are sold in the UK , however the sales figures arent that good .
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That's because the tariff causes huge price increases.
Many diplomats, when they are stationed abroad, will get a corvette or american musclecar and bring it with them as thier daily driver car free of tariff.
Then they sell it for big profit and buy a car abroad that is desirable in america because it was never imported and make money on the return trip home.
Camaros, mustangs, corvettes, lincoln town cars, and the big cadillacs are the most popular choices to take abroad.
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cap
Yes American cars are sold in the UK , however the sales figures arent that good .
I realize that. i suspect that our "small" cars are probably somewhat large for some of the back roads over there too.....
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There are many American cars in Europe, it's just that most of them are specifically designed and made for the European market. Likewise many European cars that are sold in America are either specifically designed for the American market or modified versions (bigger motors, more equipment etc.) The American and European markets are just too different. Different car culture, different needs and ideas of what a car should do for them, different road and city infrastructure, different laws, different fuel and environment taxation etc.
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Try doing this in an Escalade :huh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEd_7sWHCVk&feature=related
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I really liked the backup motorcycle they had in Vietnam
(http://europeanmotornews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/59705-a-nmmb.jpg)
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Actually, they don't. People looked at them because they were different, because they hadn't seen them before, because no-one drives them. It's something they saw in a movie once, no something they would own. Europeans want MPG not BHP.
I'm not sure about the rest but there are a lot of camaros exported to europe and the middle east.
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cant speak for all of europe obviously but Tinman has it about right and Tyrannis has plainly never been here.
some UK base prices:
Camaro £32k ($51k)
Corvette C6 £53k ($85k)
Corvette Z06 £68k ($110k)
Challenger £42k ($67k)
Shelby GT500 £49k ($75k)
now bear in mind that something like this for £15k ($24) will be quicker and more fun on our UK roads:
(http://www.torquestats.com/static/cars/factory/66/main_66.jpg?1205963288)
Yes there are tiny narrow roads over there for sure.
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Yes there are tiny narrow roads over there for sure.
That ought to teach them Europeans not to let the Romans build their roads.
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Don't forget Jeremy liked that Ford Fiesta. A fantastic car for evading Corvette driving baddies whilst in a shopping centre, as well as making a splendid beach assault craft.
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Don't forget Jeremy liked that Ford Fiesta. A fantastic car for evading Corvette driving baddies whilst in a shopping centre, as well as making a splendid beach assault craft.
i thought that was a focus?
was a friggin hilarious episode.
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that was a classic. ironically the royal marines appear to have quite a dry sense of humour :D
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one thing we really do like over here is seeing the corvettes racing in FIA GT races, those race-tuned V8s rumble like thor having a workout session with his war hammer :rock
edit: and dont forget the reasonably priced car is a chevy! :lol
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that was a classic. ironically the royal marines appear to have quite a dry sense of humour :D
i wonder how many of them wanted to dump him and his green focus into the ocean. :devil
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I did :lol when the commando in the back says "Are we there yet?"
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I did :lol when the commando in the back says "Are we there yet?"
i kinda felt sorry for them, as they were probably under orders to be polite, and professional. i'd imagine that the "higher ups" viewed that as a most excellent recruiting tool.
i also had a blast watching the episode where he was runnning away from a challenger? tank, in i think a hopped up mitsubishi....which they eventually set on fire in the end. i think those army guys enjoyed themselves much more than the royal marines did. :devil
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got top gear on right now. just watched the stig drive the ascari around their track.
where the<insert american car name here> is always "massively oversteering", or "look at what happens when you use a whacking great girder with a tire on either end", the ascari was "beautifully controlled, and look at the stig kick the back end out". :rofl :noid
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light car, highly developed and expensive chassis. it should handle well, especially at that price ...