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Title: The best fight out there
Post by: Debrody on November 08, 2011, 03:04:25 PM
Who use to give you the best fight? Im curious.

And its also a salute thread for those who are being mentioned here.  

A couple from my list:
Tongs
Scotty57
Latrobe
Spek
Pawz
nrshida
B4Buster
Vinkman
Strokes
Tacan
MakeT
Jonah was a damn good fight too i hope hes ok
+ my squaddies, but we use to wing, not fight   at least not in the MA : )

Big <S> for them for being excellent sportsmen. and making this game better.

Possibly i forgot out a lot of great folks, my memory is short...  my list will continue.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Shuffler on November 08, 2011, 03:12:25 PM
Should be some good fights in the Scenario coming up. :D

I'll be starting out with one engine in this one.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: M0nkey_Man on November 08, 2011, 04:27:26 PM
Should be some good fights in the Scenario coming up. :D

I'll be starting out with one engine in this one.
should be a normal SAPP take off except you will have your vertical stabilizer and the elevator :D
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: MK-84 on November 08, 2011, 04:35:34 PM
Twinboom, when he isn't pissed at me for vulching him :D
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Shuffler on November 08, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
Twinboom, when he isn't pissed at me for vulching him :D
I am the one who got Twinboom interested in 38s. :)
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Reaper90 on November 08, 2011, 05:37:44 PM
Ink
Pawz
DrBone
Bunnies
Paleoguy
Surfinn (we had a few really fun F4F vs B-239 fights)
ghi (although the neg-g pushover only works so long, and you know he's gonna go it, you miss your shot and he makes you pay for it)

That's just recent memory... there are plenty more
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: ACE on November 08, 2011, 05:51:51 PM
DrBone
Joachim
Debrody
I havent played much lately so these are from distant memory
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: moot on November 08, 2011, 06:04:22 PM
56th - Sancho, Frenchy, & co
Kappa, Fester & co when I was in Wotan's JG2
A few of the old H2H guys.  E.g. Aftbrnr.
Lev, Lazs & the other Blue Knights.
Shane, Vulcan, Ruaml, Wildthng.. probably many others I can't recall off hand.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: The Fugitive on November 08, 2011, 06:06:38 PM
The best fights???

Easy, the ones that don't HO, and the ones that don't run.  :aok
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: JOACH1M on November 08, 2011, 06:22:44 PM
Well, anyfight that doesn't end with a HO or a epic run for friends or ack is good enough for me
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 08, 2011, 06:26:53 PM
In order of the quality of the fight:

Ink
Perdweeb
49Devil
High-Tone

But the most memorable one would have to be high-tone. Him buzzing around in his Ki-84, me in the K4, couldn't get on his 6, and I couldn't quite shake him. Finally ended when I got low on fuel and had to WEP it to the deck.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: MachFly on November 08, 2011, 06:29:12 PM
The best fights???

Easy, the ones that don't HO, and the ones that don't run.  :aok

 :aok
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: skorpion on November 08, 2011, 07:05:15 PM
Best fight ever? although i spent most of my time in bombers/attacking bombers, the person who put up a good stand off for me was 999000.


his laser beam cannon isnt fair!  :furious

Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: PFactorDave on November 08, 2011, 08:21:06 PM
Anybody who isn't afraid to turn and manuever.

All you P51, 190, Typh, etc guys who have to have an alt advantage and extend 6k after every pass just quite simply bore me to tears.  I've tried flying that way, and it totally escapes me why anyone would find it fun.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Tyrannis on November 08, 2011, 08:43:48 PM
DrBone
Joachim
Debrody
I havent played much lately so these are from distant memory

Two of those people are in your squad.
Your biased!  :old:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: IrishOne on November 08, 2011, 08:50:12 PM
Two of those people are in your squad.
Your biased!  :old:

bah.   some of the best fights ive had were with squaddies.

Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Max on November 08, 2011, 09:31:01 PM
You know who will be chiming in that he's not on the list :lol
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: chaser on November 08, 2011, 09:56:07 PM
Anybody who isn't afraid to turn and manuever.

All you P51, 190, Typh, etc guys who have to have an alt advantage and extend 6k after every pass just quite simply bore me to tears.  I've tried flying that way, and it totally escapes me why anyone would find it fun.

But... But they have to pad their score!!  :old:

I personally am a huge fan of the Brewster and will attack/fight any plane that wants to play. I've had some really good fights but i can never remember names lol
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Guppy35 on November 08, 2011, 10:23:50 PM
Anyone willing to mix it up, regardless of the plane.  Too many good ones to name them all.  The guys who can really bend the planes that most folks won't even try to fight in probably top the list.  There are guys out there who bend those 51s, Jugs, 190s, Tiffies etc.  how they do it, I'm not sure, but that they took the time to get there in planes that most will only BnZ in, puts them high on my list.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: 68ZooM on November 08, 2011, 10:25:54 PM
Anyone willing to mix it up, regardless of the plane.  Too many good ones to name them all.  The guys who can really bend the planes that most folks won't even try to fight in probably top the list.  There are guys out there who bend those 51s, Jugs, 190s, Tiffies etc.  how they do it, I'm not sure, but that they took the time to get there in planes that most will only BnZ in, puts them high on my list.

so true, Dan i like the new avatar  :aok
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: FBCrabby on November 08, 2011, 10:59:43 PM
The drones in the offline arena...  :noid :noid :noid
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Noir on November 09, 2011, 04:45:16 AM
someone is living in the past :lol :old:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: JUGgler on November 09, 2011, 12:28:37 PM
Well there is about 4% of the community who "play to win", these folks add excitement, upredictability, challenge and fun to the game!
These folks also add color and diversity and character to the game.


 The rest are the "play NOT to lose" style, these folks add predictability, boredom, repetativeness and snooze to the game, they are also indistinguishable from each other, diluting the character of the community.



I  :salute :salute :salute the 4%ers.  You and everyone else know who you are.  :aok


I have disdain and pitty for those who fear risk and prefer "NOT TO LOSE" coincidently the majority. No-one can tell one of you from another :(






JUGgler
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Midway on November 09, 2011, 12:40:47 PM
Well there is about 4% of the community who "play to win", these folks add excitement, upredictability, challenge and fun to the game!
These folks also add color and diversity and character to the game.


 The rest are the "play NOT to lose" style, these folks add predictability, boredom, repetativeness and snooze to the game, they are also indistinguishable from each other, diluting the character of the community.



I  :salute :salute :salute the 4%ers.  You and everyone else know who you are.  :aok


I have disdain and pitty for those who fear risk and prefer "NOT TO LOSE" coincidently the majority. No-one can tell one of you from another :(






JUGgler

 :cry  Where has my JUGgler gone?  :cry :frown: :cry :frown: :rock
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: JUGgler on November 09, 2011, 12:48:20 PM
:cry  Where has my JUGgler gone?  :cry :frown: :cry :frown: :rock


If there is no-one treating the JUG properly, I will return and redeam it's honor  :aok




JUGgler
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Letalis on November 09, 2011, 02:01:42 PM
In order of semi-random neuron firing:

Ink
Tongs
Tuskegee
Kappa
Bunnies
most anyone from the 80th
DrBone
and Midway, (yes Midway) :headscratch:
Steve was fun back in the day...RIP cartoon avatar.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: LCADolby on November 09, 2011, 02:21:59 PM
My list of good fights grows ever longer week by week.

Having said that, my memory subsides week by week and I totally for get who they are.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: ink on November 09, 2011, 02:48:14 PM
thanks for the mention guys  :o

I do love a good fight :joystick:


 :salute
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: TwinBoom on November 09, 2011, 02:58:29 PM
I dont usually reply to these messages

but here we go "guys i like to fight"

KillnU
Fester
Shane
Steve
Sukov
Ink
Debrody
Hymi
Mir
Demondog cuz he gets so mad at me :lol
YUCCA back in the day
Wadke or Furball
Slaphot
SEBongo

Many others
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: gyrene81 on November 09, 2011, 03:05:04 PM
no doubt about it...always a no win situation against these guys...

(http://crazytownmayor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/funny-pictures-secret-squirrels-300x198.jpg)
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: guncrasher on November 09, 2011, 03:05:42 PM
Well there is about 4% of the community who "play to win", these folks add excitement, upredictability, challenge and fun to the game!
These folks also add color and diversity and character to the game.


 The rest are the "play NOT to lose" style, these folks add predictability, boredom, repetativeness and snooze to the game, they are also indistinguishable from each other, diluting the character of the community.



I  :salute :salute :salute the 4%ers.  You and everyone else know who you are.  :aok


I have disdain and pitty for those who fear risk and prefer "NOT TO LOSE" coincidently the majority. No-one can tell one of you from another :(






JUGgler

assuming 5000 players, that's 200.  so last night there was about 450 playing  so that would mean 18 players played to win while 432 played to not lose.  based on the number of kills given/taken on our southern captured rook bases last night  and it was a great fight for over 2 hours, I would probably say you need another break.

unless of course I misunderstand what exactly you mean by "play not to lose".  because I could swear those guys were trying to take that base and we were not gonna allow it.


semp
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Debrody on November 09, 2011, 03:38:24 PM
yup Semp you completely misunderstood him.
If theres 30 "play for win" type players on in the same time, thats a very good ratio.
Sadly the majority wont even try to kill you if he does ont hold all the cards (turn rate, numerical superiority, altitude etc etc). Heck i seen many many spixes running away from a g6 or BnZing me forever then run to friends.
If this is what Jug is talking about, i can completely agree with him. This whole topic is about that ominose 4% who have cartoon balls to try other kinds of fun than flying straight and ho everyone..

btw Twinboom hymi was one of "those" spixes i mentioned  : )   i hope that was an unique case and hes better than that <S>

Edit: nope Zoney.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Zoney on November 09, 2011, 03:48:12 PM
yup Semp you completely misunderstood him.
If theres 30 "play for win" type players on in the same time, thats a very good ratio.
Sadly the majority wont even try to kill you if he does ont hold all the cards (turn rate, numerical superiority, altitude etc etc). Heck i seen many many spixes running away from a g6 or BnZing me forever then run to friends.
If this is what Jug is talking about, i can completely agree with him. This whole topic is about that ominose 4% who have cartoon balls  to try other kinds of fun than flying straight and ho everyone..

btw Twinboom hymi was one of "those" spixes i mentioned  : )   i hope that was an unique case and hes better than that <S>


Actually I think this "whole topic" is who gives you a good fight but it was immediately used for those who constantly berrate everyone with their exalted opinions of how you should fight and if you aren't fighting that way or you disagree, well that's where the name calling and belittlement comes into play.  Then again, maybe that's what the OP wanted to discuss, I don't know.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Zoney on November 09, 2011, 03:53:01 PM
My mistake Debrody, I read the title of the post and was remiss for not seeing it as "Lets discuss how 96% of people don't want to fight".
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Debrody on November 09, 2011, 04:04:30 PM
Lolz
I just wanted to salute those i like to fight against cuz they are brave. Jug stated something, Semp misunderstood it, i was tryin to correct them... uhoh...
idk what fuels you.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Zoney on November 09, 2011, 04:12:09 PM
I was harsh with my reply and uncivilized, I apologize.   :salute
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: TwinBoom on November 09, 2011, 04:13:13 PM
I was harsh with my reply and uncivilized, I apologize.   :salute

GUYS GUYS Consider your ways become men of Peace ............................. ....................... :rofl
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: guncrasher on November 09, 2011, 05:06:20 PM
yup Semp you completely misunderstood him.
If theres 30 "play for win" type players on in the same time, thats a very good ratio.
Sadly the majority wont even try to kill you if he does ont hold all the cards (turn rate, numerical superiority, altitude etc etc). Heck i seen many many spixes running away from a g6 or BnZing me forever then run to friends.
If this is what Jug is talking about, i can completely agree with him. This whole topic is about that ominose 4% who have cartoon balls to try other kinds of fun than flying straight and ho everyone..

btw Twinboom hymi was one of "those" spixes i mentioned  : )   i hope that was an unique case and hes better than that <S>

Edit: nope Zoney.


i find 4% thing wrong as I will see that majority of planes I encounter will try to fight and I find the minority will try to run.  cause seriously implying that when we get into a fight and 96% of the pilots turned tail dont happen.  I dont care if it's 3v1 or 10v1 most of the time that single or outnumbered players will fight anyway.  otherwise they wouldnt keep on upping at a capped base.  if 96% of the players only played to not lose vulching would be a thing of the past.  or upping fast to defend a base against an noe wouldnt happen either, unless it's only the 4% that up.

food for thought:  who is the dweeb, the semi-skilled guy who plays without trying to lose advantage and win or the guy who is so skilled that he will win against anybody.


semp

Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Shuffler on November 09, 2011, 05:08:11 PM
GUYS GUYS Consider your ways become men of Peace ............................. ....................... :rofl

 :rofl
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: waystin2 on November 09, 2011, 05:11:52 PM
I have found that the best fight out there usually occurs with a plane that has a red icon. :D
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: JUGgler on November 09, 2011, 05:15:35 PM
i find 4% thing wrong as I will see that majority of planes I encounter will try to fight and I find the minority will try to run.  cause seriously implying that when we get into a fight and 96% of the pilots turned tail  dont happen.  I dont care if it's 3v1 or 10v1 most of the time that single or outnumbered players will fight anyway.  otherwise they wouldnt keep on upping at a capped base.  if 96% of the players only played to not lose vulching would be a thing of the past.  or upping fast to defend a base against an noe wouldnt happen either, unless it's only the 4% that up.

food for thought:  who is the dweeb, the semi-skilled guy who plays without trying to lose advantage and win or the guy who is so skilled that he will win against anybody.


semp




Please refrain from redefining what I said, I never said a thing about turning tail and running.


There is a grand canyon of difference tween those who play to win and those who play not to lose. If you are struggling with this concept please know you are in the 96%
 :aok



JUGgler
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: moot on November 09, 2011, 05:34:48 PM
StSanta... Kirin.. Wilbuz in the 152.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: gyrene81 on November 09, 2011, 05:46:16 PM
Please refrain from redefining what I said, I never said a thing about turning tail and running.

There is a grand canyon of difference tween those who play to win and those who play not to lose. If you are struggling with this concept please know you are in the 96%
 :aok


JUGgler
:lol  what juggler listens to before starting ah... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMt0v-pD2DU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMt0v-pD2DU)

what juggler listens to while playing ah... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSycAuQb4n8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSycAuQb4n8)

 :D   :D   :D   :D  :neener:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: ScottyK on November 09, 2011, 06:25:44 PM
 :salute fun fights we had yesterday between A222 and A70, sweaty palm fights are the best. A big salute to six O for staying out, we were both amazed how debrody could turn that FW190A5. IMO people who stay out of a 1 v 1 get the most respect from me. Anyone i come across is a great fight whether i lose (which is most of the time) or if im successfull at winning the fight.  Me changing countries everymonth this past year has increased my respect for everyone. 
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: TheDudeDVant on November 09, 2011, 06:35:13 PM

Please refrain from redefining what I said, I never said a thing about turning tail and running.


There is a grand canyon of difference tween those who play to win and those who play not to lose. If you are struggling with this concept please know you are in the 96%
 :aok



JUGgler


 :rofl
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: guncrasher on November 09, 2011, 06:54:44 PM

Please refrain from redefining what I said, I never said a thing about turning tail and running.


There is a grand canyon of difference tween those who play to win and those who play not to lose. If you are struggling with this concept please know you are in the 96%
 :aok



JUGgler

obiwantobekenobi perhaps you should enlighten me.

semp
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Slash27 on November 09, 2011, 07:09:53 PM
obiwantobekenobi perhaps you should enlighten me.

semp
He tried twice. It's on you now :aok
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Mitsu. on November 09, 2011, 07:12:42 PM
StSanta... Kirin.. Wilbuz in the 152.

Agreed...and NathBDP, Citabria, Torque...
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Guppy35 on November 09, 2011, 07:16:16 PM
obiwantobekenobi perhaps you should enlighten me.

semp

I think I can give you an example from the other night.  I was in a Spit V since I'm flying it in the scenario.  The dar bars were large for both sides.  As I edged away from the field, it was our green guys mobbing one or two red guys.  I moved away from that and started towards where i figured the incoming red mob would be.  Above me was a 51D going the same way.  He tried to BnZ me, very poorly a couple times then put his nose down and ran.  I wasn't going to catch anything in a Spit V.  He took me to a high Ki-84 and a 109K.  The 84 rolled in and I thought this could be a decent fight. we were dancing for a bit when I saw a Spit 16 entering the fight.  So be it.  He missed his attempt to pick but stayed in the fight so I was now dancing with the 84 and 16 in my Spit V.  The 109K then came down into the fight.  His timing was poor as well and soon it was the three of them and me.  I got pieces off the 16 so he put the nose down and ran.  What do I see?  It's the original 51 roaring back at light speed.  He misses his shot and roars out the other side while the 109K and 84 continue to fight.  This happens two or three more times before the 51 finally nails me as I'm trying to get the angle on the Ki-84.

The only dweeb in that fight besides myself was the 51 driver who let other folks do all the work for him and stole their kill.  He no doubt was yelling for help all the way to his buddies and they obliged.  Then he found his cartoon 'courage' and came back in at no risk.  I'm not saying he should have turn fought a Spit Vb 1 v 1, but with alt and E, and just a Spit V below him, he hardly needed the help of three other birds to fight.

That's flying not to lose, instead of flying to try and win.

In the end it's a cartoon airplane and life.  There is nothing to lose so why not see what you can do?

I could just as easily have stayed with the larger green mob and been 'safe'.  But how boring is that?
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: TheDudeDVant on November 09, 2011, 07:27:18 PM
if that there pee51 was semp, which it could be, that there would be a hard hitting 96% epiphany..  :D
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: guncrasher on November 09, 2011, 07:41:46 PM
He tried twice. It's on you now :aok

please highlight were he tried, as i missed it. not trying to confront him but i am more curious as to what he means.

semp


I think I can give you an example from the other night.  I was in a Spit V since I'm flying it in the scenario.  The dar bars were large for both sides.  As I edged away from the field, it was our green guys mobbing one or two red guys.  I moved away from that and started towards where i figured the incoming red mob would be.  Above me was a 51D going the same way.  He tried to BnZ me, very poorly a couple times then put his nose down and ran.  I wasn't going to catch anything in a Spit V.  He took me to a high Ki-84 and a 109K.  The 84 rolled in and I thought this could be a decent fight. we were dancing for a bit when I saw a Spit 16 entering the fight.  So be it.  He missed his attempt to pick but stayed in the fight so I was now dancing with the 84 and 16 in my Spit V.  The 109K then came down into the fight.  His timing was poor as well and soon it was the three of them and me.  I got pieces off the 16 so he put the nose down and ran.  What do I see?  It's the original 51 roaring back at light speed.  He misses his shot and roars out the other side while the 109K and 84 continue to fight.  This happens two or three more times before the 51 finally nails me as I'm trying to get the angle on the Ki-84.

The only dweeb in that fight besides myself was the 51 driver who let other folks do all the work for him and stole their kill.  He no doubt was yelling for help all the way to his buddies and they obliged.  Then he found his cartoon 'courage' and came back in at no risk.  I'm not saying he should have turn fought a Spit Vb 1 v 1, but with alt and E, and just a Spit V below him, he hardly needed the help of three other birds to fight.

That's flying not to lose, instead of flying to try and win.

In the end it's a cartoon airplane and life.  There is nothing to lose so why not see what you can do?

I could just as easily have stayed with the larger green mob and been 'safe'.  But how boring is that?

still doesnt look like 4% to me.  it was one out of many.  I have done that and did that last night.  a pony cant turn with a spit we all know that, actually i bypassed several spits as i got close to helping our base that was overwhelmed by many red cons.  but to be honest they got the base as they brought spits and stopped bringing 190's and ponys and p47s :).



semp
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: JUGgler on November 09, 2011, 10:44:30 PM
I think I can give you an example from the other night.  I was in a Spit V since I'm flying it in the scenario.  The dar bars were large for both sides.  As I edged away from the field, it was our green guys mobbing one or two red guys.  I moved away from that and started towards where i figured the incoming red mob would be.  Above me was a 51D going the same way.  He tried to BnZ me, very poorly a couple times then put his nose down and ran.  I wasn't going to catch anything in a Spit V.  He took me to a high Ki-84 and a 109K.  The 84 rolled in and I thought this could be a decent fight. we were dancing for a bit when I saw a Spit 16 entering the fight.  So be it.  He missed his attempt to pick but stayed in the fight so I was now dancing with the 84 and 16 in my Spit V.  The 109K then came down into the fight.  His timing was poor as well and soon it was the three of them and me.  I got pieces off the 16 so he put the nose down and ran.  What do I see?  It's the original 51 roaring back at light speed.  He misses his shot and roars out the other side while the 109K and 84 continue to fight.  This happens two or three more times before the 51 finally nails me as I'm trying to get the angle on the Ki-84.

The only dweeb in that fight besides myself was the 51 driver who let other folks do all the work for him and stole their kill.  He no doubt was yelling for help all the way to his buddies and they obliged.  Then he found his cartoon 'courage' and came back in at no risk.  I'm not saying he should have turn fought a Spit Vb 1 v 1, but with alt and E, and just a Spit V below him, he hardly needed the help of three other birds to fight.

That's flying not to lose, instead of flying to try and win.

In the end it's a cartoon airplane and life.  There is nothing to lose so why not see what you can do?

I could just as easily have stayed with the larger green mob and been 'safe'.  But how boring is that?

I laid the stinky chum on quite heavy for this, semp understands he just likes me sooooooooooooooooooooo much  ;)

 Some folks are attracted to the highest quantity of the stinkiest chum!

Oh well!


JUGgler
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Ruah on November 09, 2011, 11:34:55 PM
Any 109 is a good fight.  Love watching how other people fly it.

99% of 51s and 190Ds are super boring. . . such a shame.  Dying is part of the learning process.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Tyrannis on November 09, 2011, 11:57:32 PM
Never found 109s and 190s to be a fun fight. 99% of the ones ive ran into try so desperately  to HO you.Only fun 109 fights ive had were from the members of the AvA.  :salute
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: clerick on November 10, 2011, 12:04:46 AM
Never found 109s and 190s to be a fun fight. 99% of the ones ive ran into try so desperately  to HO you.Only fun 109 fights ive had were from the members of the AvA.  :salute

Before my hiatus a few years ago I used to run into agent360 in his cow spotted K4, and as soon as I saw that skin I knew I was in for a good fight.  38 v 109 on the deck, slow and vertical, always loved those.

Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: guncrasher on November 10, 2011, 12:24:42 AM
I laid the stinky chum on quite heavy for this, semp understands he just likes me sooooooooooooooooooooo much  ;)

 Some folks are attracted to the highest quantity of the stinkiest chum!

Oh well!


JUGgler

so you gonna explain what you mean or you gonna stick to bs again?


semp
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Debrody on November 10, 2011, 01:56:41 AM
Never found 109s and 190s to be a fun fight. 99% of the ones ive ran into try so desperately  to HO you.Only fun 109 fights ive had were from the members of the AvA.  :salute
I lol-ed.
The highest concentration of the good sticks/good fights are amongst the dedicated 109 and p-38 pilots. imo
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: zack1234 on November 10, 2011, 02:03:14 AM
You know who will be chiming in that he's not on the list :lol

Me  :rofl
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Butcher on November 10, 2011, 02:40:07 AM
Today has been a blast, between DrBone, Debrody and countless others I have to say I have not seen better dogfighting in a very long time.

Its been very rare lately to see a good old fashion dogfight, especially in the late war main arena, typically its either a horde or nobody will up, today it seems everyone was out just having a good time.

Lately it seems everyone is at 16k wanting 1 pass on a target then run as many sectors as they have fuel.
I don't know maybe vDallas is the newest training instructor in the training arena, lately I have not seen any interest in furballing.

Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 10, 2011, 02:45:06 AM
Never found 109s and 190s to be a fun fight. 99% of the ones ive ran into try so desperately  to HO you.Only fun 109 fights ive had were from the members of the AvA.  :salute

Find perdweeb, or any member of Kommando Nowotny.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Ardy123 on November 10, 2011, 02:55:59 AM
Never found 109s and 190s to be a fun fight. 99% of the ones ive ran into try so desperately  to HO you.Only fun 109 fights ive had were from the members of the AvA.  :salute

190s hoing makes sense but a 109 hoing.. that is just plain stupid. Its 1 20mm or its one 30 mm which only works for close range shots, hoing anything other an a c47 is asking to get killed.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Tyrannis on November 10, 2011, 03:14:11 AM
190s hoing makes sense but a 109 hoing.. that is just plain stupid. Its 1 20mm or its one 30 mm which only works for close range shots, hoing anything other an a c47 is asking to get killed.

The HO'ers usually take the Gondalos.

Which is why i believe they try so badly to ho, they got that extra firepower.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: IrishOne on November 10, 2011, 08:19:42 AM
The HO'ers usually take the Gondalos.

Which is why i believe they try so badly to ho, they got that extra firepower.


HOers gon HO!  whether they have gondies or not.  they don't care what kind of firepower they have.    they take any shot they can.   i still get HO attempts by Spit Mk1s and the like; a situation in which i dont mind reciprocating  :devil
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: gyrene81 on November 10, 2011, 08:29:47 AM
Never found 109s and 190s to be a fun fight. 99% of the ones ive ran into try so desperately  to HO you.Only fun 109 fights ive had were from the members of the AvA.  :salute
you haven't found anyone who actually flies a 109 or 190...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: IrishOne on November 10, 2011, 08:40:00 AM
Bighorn
Grizz
Agent360
JUGgler
SunsFan
bunnies
Krupnski
DrBone
Joachim
Delirium
Pawz
Lazer
INK
Debrody
Bruv119
Kazaa
Steve
etc. etc.........

short list off the top of my head.  i know of many more, these are the ones i can rattle off offhand.    these guys will always give you a great fight (if you make it past the first turn that is  :uhoh)
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: JUGgler on November 10, 2011, 09:21:22 AM
so you gonna explain what you mean or you gonna stick to bs again?


semp


Here, let me wade thru the condescension and take you at face value that you cannot intellectually grasp the concept of what I speak. If this is the case then I don't think I can help you. Just like an artist requires a canvas to receive and absorb his creative strokes of paint, a teacher requires in a student a minimum level of intellectual capability. Without this, no matter how much the teacher cares and tries the effort is lost.

I decline

Good luck


 :salute



JUGgler
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Midway on November 10, 2011, 09:27:57 AM

Here, let me wade thru the condescension and take you at face value that you cannot intellectually grasp the concept of what I speak. If this is the case then I don't think I can help you. Just like an artist requires a canvas to receive and absorb his creative strokes of paint, a teacher requires in a student a minimum level of intellectual capability. Without this, no matter how much the teacher cares and tries the effort is lost.

I decline

Good luck


 :salute



JUGgler

 :rofl  :rofl :rofl  :headscratch: :uhoh
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: zack1234 on November 10, 2011, 09:41:12 AM
Irishone missed me out :old:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Ruah on November 10, 2011, 10:36:06 AM
this is one of those threads people read to see if their name is on anyones list.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: guncrasher on November 10, 2011, 10:47:31 AM

Here, let me wade thru the condescension and take you at face value that you cannot intellectually grasp the concept of what I speak. If this is the case then I don't think I can help you. Just like an artist requires a canvas to receive and absorb his creative strokes of paint, a teacher requires in a student a minimum level of intellectual capability. Without this, no matter how much the teacher cares and tries the effort is lost.

I decline

Good luck


 :salute



JUGgler


Got it, you were talking bs a usual.

Semp
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: zack1234 on November 10, 2011, 10:50:45 AM
I demand to be on a list of some kind :old:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Midway on November 10, 2011, 10:52:53 AM
I demand to be on a list of some kind :old:

zack1234, Bruv119, Grizz, Krupnski, many others, always good fights.  :aok

 :)
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: zack1234 on November 10, 2011, 10:59:11 AM
 :)

I am before Bruv on list he won't like that he is Alpha male :rofl
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Midway on November 10, 2011, 11:00:49 AM
:)

I am before Bruv on list he won't like that he is Alpha male :rofl

 :)
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Debrody on November 10, 2011, 11:57:02 AM
I wont like to see Mid..ey trolling in this thread anymore.
Btw Zack, youre the greatest fight ever. Afk pick, extend to 10k away then cherry, that is  <S>

Forgot Bruv. Hes a fun one to fight against, at least in the DA.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: zack1234 on November 10, 2011, 12:06:22 PM
Cheers  :)

I am old and poo I know  :)

Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: IrishOne on November 10, 2011, 12:39:29 PM
this is one of those threads people read to see if their name is on anyones list.

i notice you have read and responded to this thread  ;)
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Vinkman on November 10, 2011, 01:48:07 PM
Squads because their membership never dissapoint.

The 80th
The Muppets
Kommando Nowotny

Individuals that stick out to me because I don't recall what squad they are with, or because The rest of their squad may not fly as they do...

Bluecoat - who will always stay and turn fight his P-51
Surffinn - because he's always alone in his F4F looking to mix it up. [althought he can get grouchy if you e-fight him   :)]
JUGgler - who earned his rep as a lone wolf in his low and slow P-47 before he was a muppet.
FBLazy - Even though he is squad affiliated he seems to spend most of his time alone in high ENY plane out-numbered by enemies, until his engine stops. I think would stay in a
             furball if he had no ammo just to see if he could get on a bandit's six and chase him into a tree.
Atticus4  - fun to wing with fun to fight against.
Midway - First, mute him upon loggin. Then, he will push any and every bad situation and never runs to ack, or the horde. he will come back over and over and give a good fight no
              matter how many times you kill him. Like a Zombie in a horror movie. I suggest he change his name to Zombie, or Jason, or Michael Meyers, or Dracula or other such un-kill-able ghoul.
DeBrody - muppet? just wanted to make sure you were included.
Joach1m - I will win one day. Losing over and over again makes me want to quit.
DrBone - good stick, lots of fun, I can win on occations which keeps my hopes and dreams alive. 
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Shane on November 10, 2011, 02:30:39 PM
Forgot Bruv. Hes a fun one to fight against, at least in the DA.

i'm not fun because i beat you in a 109?  :noid   :bolt:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Oldman731 on November 10, 2011, 07:53:27 PM
i'm not fun because i beat you in a 109? 


You're an AvA guy, you don't count.

- oldman
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: caldera on November 10, 2011, 07:58:58 PM
Trying to get a B-29 off the runway is a pretty good fight.  :joystick:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: JOACH1M on November 10, 2011, 08:02:46 PM

Joach1m - I will win one day. Losing over and over again makes me want to quit.


:) that day is soon vinky  :) :airplane:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: JOACH1M on November 10, 2011, 08:03:56 PM
i'm not fun because i beat you in a 109?  :noid   :bolt:
+1 :)

 :salute debrody, put a very good fight up!  :airplane: :cool:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Debrody on November 11, 2011, 02:38:39 AM
i'm not fun because i beat you in a 109?
haha WIN there   :aok
sure youre fun to fly against, but we only fought like 3 times...  as i mentioned above, my memory is like swiss cheese
 :salute

Btw... dont take deep consequences about that rhapsodic performance, you had a couple very lucky moments there. Next time i not gonna give you that present shot in the ki, also not gonna be unhurt after we both collided...
Beware, i gonna rise again and strike from the grave...  ;)
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: ARSNishi on November 11, 2011, 02:52:50 AM
Never found 109s and 190s to be a fun fight. 99% of the ones ive ran into try so desperately  to HO you.Only fun 109 fights ive had were from the members of the AvA.  :salute
I coulda swore it was you that made a post a while back praising a fight that you and I had in the EW Arena,  Where I was Flying the 109 F and you were in the C 202.

:salute.  Nishizwa
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: LCADolby on November 11, 2011, 09:11:27 AM
I coulda swore it was you that made a post a while back praising a fight that you and I had in the EW Arena,  Where I was Flying the 109 F and you were in the C 202.

:salute.  Nishizwa
Your always a good fight, a pain in the neck, but a good fight  :salute
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: SAJ73 on November 11, 2011, 12:22:32 PM
this is one of those threads people read to see if their name is on anyones list.

Wonder if I atleast made it on one of those lists of <<and alot of others>> not mentioned?!  :headscratch:  ..

Probably not, I will go in the list of uber easy kills most likely..  :bhead  :noid 

But hey, that's always a beginning.  :banana: :P                                                                         :bolt:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: ARSNishi on November 11, 2011, 01:16:34 PM
I coulda swore it was you that made a post a while back praising a fight that you and I had in the EW Arena,  Where I was Flying the 109 F and you were in the C 202.

:salute.  Nishizwa

Thank you sir, you are as well!    :salute. Nishizwa
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: ink on November 11, 2011, 01:18:23 PM
Thank you sir, you are as well!    :salute. Nishizwa


you quoted wrong guy :D
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: pervert on November 11, 2011, 06:15:53 PM
For me the best fight is crushing egos  :devil  :rock
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: ARSNishi on November 12, 2011, 12:20:02 AM

you quoted wrong guy :D
Now how the frig did that happen?  I didn't wanna quote that guy, who cares what he has to say? Cut me a little slack, I'm working with a new droid phone here. :aok

 Hopefully Dolby knows I meant to quote him.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: BillyD on November 12, 2011, 02:19:45 AM
Best fight is fighting the urge to renew a subscription to this game.   :bhead    :D
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Widewing on November 12, 2011, 08:36:23 AM
Never found 109s and 190s to be a fun fight. 99% of the ones ive ran into try so desperately  to HO you.Only fun 109 fights ive had were from the members of the AvA.  :salute

There's lots of very good sticks flying 109s and 190s. The fact that the 190 is the #1 ord and dar porker should not reflect on those who fly it as a air to air fighter. Sure there's a lot of players who fly the 109s and you can't get them below 10k unless they run out of fuel... Nonetheless, there are some very good 109 sticks who will fight anyone in anything and, more often that not, win.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: lunatic1 on November 12, 2011, 11:34:58 AM
this is one of those threads people read to see if their name is on anyones list.
i'm safe i'm never on anybody's list
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: 68ZooM on November 12, 2011, 01:02:21 PM
i'm safe i'm never on anybody's list

lol same here, us quiet ones are the ones to worry about  :D
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: chipr on November 13, 2011, 05:31:56 AM
Well there is about 4% of the community who "play to win", these folks add excitement, upredictability, challenge and fun to the game!
These folks also add color and diversity and character to the game.


 The rest are the "play NOT to lose" style, these folks add predictability, boredom, repetativeness and snooze to the game, they are also indistinguishable from each other, diluting the character of the community.



I  :salute :salute :salute the 4%ers.  You and everyone else know who you are.  :aok


I have disdain and pitty for those who fear risk and prefer "NOT TO LOSE" coincidently the majority. No-one can tell one of you from another :(






JUGgler
LOL. who are you supposed to be? papy boeington? dude, its just a game.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: zack1234 on November 13, 2011, 05:34:18 AM
 :)
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Myg on November 13, 2011, 05:40:08 AM
Hey chipr, I think he was trying to point out that it was "just a game" and that some people take it too seriously, so they don't want to participate in the fun and just use it for their own fragile egos/self esteem problems.

Pappy Boyington would of been someone who surely would of been taught to "Play not to lose" because it was real and his life was on the line (not his ego). Whereas, this is a game and dying has no consequence on anyone (except said egos/self esteem).

Heavy furballs with a light sense of picking is good and healthy state for the community, but heavy picking with a light sense of furballing is bad for the community in other words.

Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: icepac on November 13, 2011, 08:15:29 AM
Surviving my missions is my number one priority most of the time but I sometimes fly one-way missions to hunt me163 over enemy headquarters or shoot up the city with a tank.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: dkff49 on November 13, 2011, 09:32:09 AM
Not sure how anyone could say that 109's r only ever used for picking and hoing but most of the 109's i come across will fight it out. Many of them don't take ho's.

I prefer to fight it out with a 109. The G2 is my favorite though I more often than not lose against most anything.

The only time you will see me at high alt in a 109 is when I am looking for bombers, which is also the only time you will ever see me with gondolas on as well. Some of the most fun I have had hunting buffs was done in the G2 with gondies.

No one I have seen flies the 109's (especially G series) to pick from alt or to HO. There are just so many other planes out there that are much better for those purposes ro risk doing it in these planes.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: IrishOne on November 13, 2011, 09:39:23 AM
papy boeington

i assume you mean Pappy Boyington?
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: chipr on November 13, 2011, 02:56:51 PM
Hey chipr, I think he was trying to point out that it was "just a game" and that some people take it too seriously, so they don't want to participate in the fun and just use it for their own fragile egos/self esteem problems.

Pappy Boyington would of been someone who surely would of been taught to "Play not to lose" because it was real and his life was on the line (not his ego). Whereas, this is a game and dying has no consequence on anyone (except said egos/self esteem).

Heavy furballs with a light sense of picking is good and healthy state for the community, but heavy picking with a light sense of furballing is bad for the community in other words.


From what I read, Boyington did have a big ego and getting the most kills at that time was a priority of his. He even risked his wingmen at the time by going into furballs outnumbered so he can become #1. With that being said, he still a war hero... and a drunk lol, jk. RIP pappy

chipr
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: chipr on November 13, 2011, 02:59:08 PM
i assume you mean Pappy Boyington?
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thats correct, sir.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: JUGgler on November 13, 2011, 03:28:43 PM
LOL. who are you supposed to be? papy boeington? dude, its just a game.


Umm, go stand next to semp! :huh




JUGgler
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: guncrasher on November 13, 2011, 05:53:14 PM

Umm, go stand next to semp! :huh




JUGgler

gt over here chipr let's re-read juggler's words of wisdom, well actually they should more like the words of a cranky old man.

semp
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: maddafinga on November 13, 2011, 06:54:53 PM
I used to be a good fight. Hoping to get back up in game by mid January. Then I figure it will be a few more months before I'm any good again.  I miss my K4.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Scotch on November 13, 2011, 07:10:42 PM
Madda  :aok
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: dkff49 on November 13, 2011, 07:43:12 PM
madda's alive. he's alive

can't wait to see you around again bud.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Changeup on November 13, 2011, 07:51:12 PM
Hey Madda...when you get back, look me up.  I'll help ya knock the rust off!!
 :salute
Changeup
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: maddafinga on November 13, 2011, 08:04:36 PM
Yep, I'm alive. Just had a lengthy attack of real life is all. I'll tasker you up on that changeup, I'll need all the help I can get when I come back !
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: BushLT1 on November 13, 2011, 08:08:29 PM
Hey Madda <S> ...hope see you soon
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Ardy123 on November 13, 2011, 08:15:32 PM
Yep, I'm alive. Just had a lengthy attack of real life is all. I'll tasker you up on that changeup, I'll need all the help I can get when I come back !


Madda, get back into AH man! I need to da ya some.. its been a while bud
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: maddafinga on November 13, 2011, 08:20:58 PM

Madda, get back into AH man! I need to da ya some.. its been a while bud

Working on it man, just gimme a couple of months.  I'm going to need some good da time to shake about as years worth of rust.

Hiya Bush!

Looking forward to coming back!!  I may have to lean on the ki84 for a while though, until I get some skill and confidence back. 
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: megadud on November 14, 2011, 04:44:49 AM
The BKs
Some Muppets
Shane
Wldthing
Bighorn
Yucca
Flyboy
Blukitty/manetmp

I'm sure im leavin people out but everyone was pretty easy to kill  :aok :neener:

Thinkin about playin again is it BnZ basecapture world or are there some furballs to dive into?
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Slash27 on November 14, 2011, 07:59:50 AM
The Muppets
Some BK's (ok 2)
Shane
Wldthing
Bighorn
Yucca
Flyboy
Blukitty
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: B4Buster on November 14, 2011, 08:16:23 AM
Nobody is a good fight to me. I beat everyone with ease, and only lose when I feel like being charitable.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: perdue3 on November 14, 2011, 09:15:03 AM
SunFan
Tongs
Greebo
Latrobe
ardy
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Changeup on November 14, 2011, 01:39:35 PM
Paleoguy
Tongs
Dodger
Kappa
Bunnies
Irishone
Corky (sheesh I hate getting beat by 38s down low)
Fringe
JUGgler
Krupcake
INK
Rodent57
Sunsfan

A bunch of others too.... :salute
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 14, 2011, 06:41:14 PM
Latrobe


Latrobe is a ballsy mofo. He fought my 109K4 with is 190D9 in a looping fight, and manged to make me run.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Latrobe on November 14, 2011, 07:39:59 PM

Latrobe is a ballsy mofo. He fought my 109K4 with is 190D9 in a looping fight, and manged to make me run.

Bet you had a lot of fun  :D . That's why I play, to give people a good fun fight.   :salute
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 14, 2011, 07:43:12 PM
One of the best fights I've had. Not sure if you remember it, but it devolved into a rolling scissors, then back to a looping fight, and back and forth for about 10 mins.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Ardy123 on November 16, 2011, 04:38:14 AM
Anyone who will give me a fair fight.... as pretentious as it sounds...
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Butcher on November 16, 2011, 07:58:09 AM
Anyone who will give me a fair fight.... as pretentious as it sounds...


No such thing, Its horde or be horded.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Changeup on November 16, 2011, 08:57:03 AM
No such thing, Its horde or be horded.

Wrong...
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Debrody on November 16, 2011, 09:44:16 AM
No such thing, Its horde or be horded.
If it would be true, or at least i would ever given up the hope, i wouldnt be here.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Ardy123 on November 16, 2011, 12:55:04 PM
No such thing, Its horde or be horded.

It is true that for many, that is AH. If that were the case all the time though, most would have long left AH. As I have stated before in other threads, "Horde or be Horded", and other similar mentalities will ultimately undo the game as there lacks  a clear association with risk vs reward. As such, most would get bored and leave within 6 mo and when there is a small market to start with, the game would die.

Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: shiv on November 16, 2011, 01:05:29 PM
I used to be a good fight. Hoping to get back up in game by mid January. Then I figure it will be a few more months before I'm any good again.  I miss my K4.

Alright madda, was wondering where you were. That's your bullets taking my wing out in my avatar btw. One of several great fights with you.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: maddafinga on November 16, 2011, 01:17:02 PM
Alright madda, was wondering where you were. That's your bullets taking my wing out in my avatar btw. One of several great fights with you.

Hwy Shiv! Good to hear from you man!  Yeah, we've had several really great fights for sure, I'm looking forward to more once I get back.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: LCADolby on November 16, 2011, 01:24:11 PM
No such thing, Its horde or be horded.
Wrong...
What Changeup said. There's plenty of people in the LW arena that are not looking for the horde mentality.
If you can pull them away from a group a great duel will ensue. It's those small moments of epic palm sweating adrenaline filled duels that make AcesHigh so good.
Once the horders realise how boring, repetitive and mundane real estate capturing is, they will venture out to become one of the higher order of adrenaline duel junkies.
They just need the encouragement.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Ardy123 on November 16, 2011, 01:32:52 PM
Once the horders realise how boring, repetitive and mundane real estate capturing is, they will venture out to become one of the higher order of adrenaline duel junkies.
They just need the encouragement.

Sadly, that only works for a few, for many it seems, the shear thrill of ruining another's fight is all they are after.

An extreme example: there were a few people who would wait in the DA for people to get into private 1v1s on the side fields, then up with the sole purpose of ruining it for the other two people.

In the MA, there are several people who famously wait for others to get in fights, then swoop in to deny either player of the satisfaction.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: 68ZooM on November 16, 2011, 01:38:14 PM
Horde mentality = Safer in larger numbers for they lack the skill to do what others can do on their own, or with a few friends.   Quantity does not replace Quality even though some may think it does, the way i see it is that when new players join this game and fly always in the horde then that's how they think the game is played and that play style continues to grow.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: LCADolby on November 16, 2011, 01:48:26 PM
Sadly, that only works for a few, for many it seems, the shear thrill of ruining another's fight is all they are after.

An extreme example: there were a few people who would wait in the DA for people to get into private 1v1s on the side fields, then up with the sole purpose of ruining it for the other two people.

In the MA, there are several people who famously wait for others to get in fights, then swoop in to deny either player of the satisfaction.

Evil Doers! They must be stopped!!  :mad: :furious
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Slash27 on November 16, 2011, 01:51:33 PM
No such thing, Its horde or be horded.
I did not horde nor ho the other night. And it was fair for the few moments we had I guess.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Ardy123 on November 16, 2011, 01:53:47 PM
Evil Doers! They must be stopped!!  :mad: :furious

<sigh> then spits in Dolbys tea!  :neener:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: LCADolby on November 16, 2011, 06:20:23 PM
<sigh> then spits in Dolbys tea!  :neener:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EEYyjVuk5M8#t=109s
:lol
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: JUGgler on November 16, 2011, 06:37:22 PM
What Changeup said. There's plenty of people in the LW arena that are not looking for the horde mentality.
If you can pull them away from a group a great duel will ensue. It's those small moments of epic palm sweating adrenaline filled duels that make AcesHigh so good.
Once the horders realise how boring, repetitive and mundane real estate capturing is, they will venture out to become one of the higher order of adrenaline duel junkies.
They just need the encouragement.


I think you see this incorrectly. The base capture aspect of Aces High will be the "foundation" of a rejuvinated, revamped and exciting "NEW" chapter in this fine game when an equitable system can be figured out!  Tis my belief anyway!

This game cannot stand alone with just furballing, it must follow an evolutionary path towards "WAR"!  IMHO




JUGgler
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Guppy35 on November 16, 2011, 07:18:26 PM

I think you see this incorrectly. The base capture aspect of Aces High will be the "foundation" of a rejuvinated, revamped and exciting "NEW" chapter in this fine game when an equitable system can be figured out!  Tis my belief anyway!

This game cannot stand alone with just furballing, it must follow an evolutionary path towards "WAR"!  IMHO




JUGgler


If base capture can be a way to generate the fight it's fine.  When it becomes the be all, end all of the game, it hurts it.   I'll continue to say that limiting base capture and removing the war win would make the difference.  If at a certain point you've proven you can take all the bases available, then you have to defend as you can't go any further.  Everyone would know at some point the front stops and there will be a fight.

Imagine your 140 players from one country has pushed the other two back to the furthest point.  Those folks in the other countries at some point are going to have to push back, and regardless of the size of the horde, it can't go any further.  If they want to hold all that territory they need to learn to fight as well as base capture.  As an 'furballer', I'd be much more likely to participate in a base  capture under those circumstances then the way it is now.  It's just whack a mole at the moment.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: WWhiskey on November 16, 2011, 07:44:43 PM
Many players come and go, but a few have been here longer than the six years I have played ! I don't know all their secrets to wanting to stay and play, but for me, I can find most any kind of fight I want!  Their is always a horde to join, there are always some loners looking for a fight, there are always a few pickers to ruin a good fight ( including me) and most days there is a pretty good GV battle around!
The fact that there is so much to do is why I have stayed so long, the loss of the strat targets is the only thing I have seen that has hurt the game for me both with the ability to make meaningfull bomb runs and to defend against them!
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: JUGgler on November 16, 2011, 10:43:24 PM
If base capture can be a way to generate the fight it's fine.  When it becomes the be all, end all of the game, it hurts it.   I'll continue to say that limiting base capture and removing the war win would make the difference.  If at a certain point you've proven you can take all the bases available, then you have to defend as you can't go any further.  Everyone would know at some point the front stops and there will be a fight.

Imagine your 140 players from one country has pushed the other two back to the furthest point.  Those folks in the other countries at some point are going to have to push back, and regardless of the size of the horde, it can't go any further.  If they want to hold all that territory they need to learn to fight as well as base capture.  As an 'furballer', I'd be much more likely to participate in a base  capture under those circumstances then the way it is now.  It's just whack a mole at the moment.

Hmm I don't think base capture takes any fight away, quite the contrary, it may be unbalanced, it may be a horde but it is still a fight for those who will challenge it. Hence making it a fight, albeit one sided but never the less a fight for the base takers! The true unbalance comes from the way missions are generated. A mission is posted for capture but there is currently no way to reasonably counter a mission defensively with another mission. Most missions will fail from just a few folks contesting it, but those folks who know how to put a mission together and their main goal is "capture the base" then there is little the defenders can do about it! I ronically I think more compitent missions are good but not when there is no real way to defend against them!

I believe what keeps soooo many folks from "playing to win" instead of "playing not to lose" quite simply is ego! I believe it honestly bothers them to be sent to the tower. I have come to the point that this must be the case, cause there are sooo many vet players that play not to lose! They wear that ego on the fuselage!
 But during a base capture these same folks can set asside the ego, and get right in there. I think it's cause in their mind they have an excuse for losing, that being they are there to capture the base, not to own you  :aok





JUGgler
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 17, 2011, 12:34:20 AM
It may be a fight, but its not what you would call a 'healthy' fight. Infact, its only a fight for the few people that get a chance to engage one of the few defenders that make it up before a cap is put in place.


Massive hordes are hard to contest, since no matter how good you are, you can't fight 4:1 odds forever. Well planned missions are hard to contest, because asside from someone spotting it through pure dumb luck, theres no effective defense.


IMO, hordes and mega-missions are not actually trying to start fights, contrary to what the people in them say, the main goal of hordes and mega missions is actually to "Winz teh WaRz sos I can gets mah perks  :rock" with the absolute least amount of actuall fighting possible.

This is a combat semi-simmulation, with the game play centered around combat, with the map scaling, and even fuel burn rate specificly tailored to improve fights. But no, instead of actually doing what they're spending $180 dollars a year for, they decide to try to AVOID what they're paying for.


Sorry to all war-win twits out there, but I can't thing of anyway you can try to pitch that to us without looking stupid.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: icepac on November 17, 2011, 08:37:03 AM
Base capture itself is not an issue.

The issue is how a country goes about it.

Most bases can be taken by 2 or 3 people in a well planned attack with 1 buff, 1 jabo, and  1 troop carrier.

Sadly, what we normally see is 26 guys hovering a base for 4 hours and the only thing damaged is the radar.

Strangely, they spam the country channel for more fighters when a single bomber would have taken care of thier needs.

No bomber arrives.....just more fighters.

They finally get a white flag......oops.....forgot troops........they are 10 minutes away.

They spam channel with troops requests even though all the fighter hangers are now up.

Nine C47s die.

26 fighters finally strafe down the fighter hangers.

3 c47s die to town ack that was never taken down.

Meanwhile.............Limbo has captured 4 fields with the help of one other guy.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: DrBone1 on November 17, 2011, 09:14:16 AM
Base capture itself is not an issue.

The issue is how a country goes about it.

Most bases can be taken by 2 or 3 people in a well planned attack with 1 buff, 1 jabo, and  1 troop carrier.

Sadly, what we normally see is 26 guys hovering a base for 4 hours and the only thing damaged is the radar.

Strangely, they spam the country channel for more fighters when a single bomber would have taken care of thier needs.

No bomber arrives.....just more fighters.

They finally get a white flag......oops.....forgot troops........they are 10 minutes away.

They spam channel with troops requests even though all the fighter hangers are now up.

Nine C47s die.

26 fighters finally strafe down the fighter hangers.

3 c47s die to town ack that was never taken down.

Meanwhile.............Limbo has captured 4 fields with the help of one other guy.
QFT very sad but true.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: coombz on November 17, 2011, 09:21:05 AM
the best thing is they all WTG each other when they finally capture the base :D
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: zack1234 on November 17, 2011, 09:38:27 AM
Wtg Coombzy  :old:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: coombz on November 17, 2011, 09:41:22 AM
zack and I kill at least 3 hordes together every evening before dinner, in our vintage Hurri 1s :old:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Debrody on November 17, 2011, 09:59:55 AM
conversation in the cockpit:
-hi, Joe!
-hi, Jack!
-whaaa
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Dogtown on November 17, 2011, 01:37:11 PM
Debrody..
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Crash Orange on November 17, 2011, 03:31:38 PM
Most bases can be taken by 2 or 3 people in a well planned attack with 1 buff, 1 jabo, and  1 troop carrier.

Sure, but those are the takes that only work in the complete absence of any opposition. Anyone looking to roll bases that way is going to avoid fighting way more than the horde does.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Guppy35 on November 17, 2011, 04:00:08 PM
Sure, but those are the takes that only work in the complete absence of any opposition. Anyone looking to roll bases that way is going to avoid fighting way more than the horde does.

<spots bobber in the water>.................


.........<swims away>
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: TwinBoom on November 17, 2011, 09:18:03 PM
man this has to be the most hijacked thread ever!!!
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: killb8 on November 18, 2011, 02:20:13 AM
DrBone
Hymi
Hoagi
Bruv
Tongs
Kazza
Kazan
Kappa
My wife
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Ardy123 on November 18, 2011, 02:56:12 AM
My wife

The argument  you always lose!!
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Tank-Ace on November 19, 2011, 01:13:58 AM
Auto-ack. Auto ack always gives the best fight. No matter how well you manuver, you're guaranteed to take some hits from him.


<S> Auto-ack, well played sir, well played  :noid.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: icepac on November 19, 2011, 07:28:46 AM
Sure, but those are the takes that only work in the complete absence of any opposition. Anyone looking to roll bases that way is going to avoid fighting way more than the horde does.


There are from 15 to 60 bases with zero opposition on every map.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: 68ZooM on November 19, 2011, 10:43:42 AM
<spots bobber in the water>.................


.........<swims away>

lol Dan i was thinking the same....... Pot meet Kettle   :rofl
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Debrody on November 19, 2011, 10:52:27 AM
DrBone
Hymi
Hoagi
Bruv
Tongs
Kazza
Kazan
Kappa
My wife
I think... keyword "think"...  if you consider hoagi as a good fight, you must be kidding. That dude is exactly the opposition what i stand for. Can agree with the rest tho.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Megalodon on November 19, 2011, 11:31:08 AM
Every1 in this thread is an easy kill  :aok  :old:
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: clerick on November 19, 2011, 02:53:25 PM
clerick is awesome!
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: uptown on November 19, 2011, 03:13:54 PM
I'm impressed the most by any good 38 or 109 flyers.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: The Jekyll on November 20, 2011, 01:55:49 PM
I think the best fights are those who play to have fun, stay of 200 when they die unless to say good fight, and check thier ego's at the door.

Sorry but there are very few of those, and knowing who they are no need to post thier names here. Salute to all of you who fall into that category; you keep the game what it is..................a game and still fun after all these years :aok
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: TequilaChaser on November 21, 2011, 01:54:00 AM
Every1 in this thread is an easy kill  :aok  :old:

sorry everyone but I really do have to <golf clap>  this reply!

I guarandamntee ya that 98 to 99% of those who have posted in this thread have not yet had the "fight of their lives"........

you will know it when it happens, and you will long for another like it or better, long after ......  I have only had 3 to 5 in over 16 years that really mean alot to me...... I have had some awesome dogfights...... but I will never forget those few 3 to 5......

 :old:

keep at it, you'll get there!

TC
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Debrody on November 21, 2011, 02:42:22 AM
you will know it when it happens, and you will long for another like it or better, long after ......  I have only had 3 to 5 in over 16 years that really mean alot to me...... I have had some awesome dogfights...... but I will never forget those few 3 to 5......
I would be curious what you mean. I had some 10-15 minutes scissoring fights a couple times. Against Bruv, Kruppo, MickyD, Bunnies, Irish, 8Spade, Joachim. Sure they were a load of fun, still i never had that feeling you mentioned.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: The Jekyll on November 21, 2011, 09:57:37 PM
sorry everyone but I really do have to <golf clap>  this reply!

I guarandamntee ya that 98 to 99% of those who have posted in this thread have not yet had the "fight of their lives"........

you will know it when it happens, and you will long for another like it or better, long after ......  I have only had 3 to 5 in over 16 years that really mean alot to me...... I have had some awesome dogfights...... but I will never forget those few 3 to 5......

 :old:

keep at it, you'll get there!

TC

Totally subjective, ergo impossible to quantify. I can say statistically 100% of you have had the fight of your life. As for the other 98-99% of us, I think we would have to quantify that. Unless you have some magic wand to quantify your stated statistic.

Regards
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Guppy35 on November 21, 2011, 11:00:21 PM
I would be curious what you mean. I had some 10-15 minutes scissoring fights a couple times. Against Bruv, Kruppo, MickyD, Bunnies, Irish, 8Spade, Joachim. Sure they were a load of fun, still i never had that feeling you mentioned.

I get what he's saying.  I've had some really great fights in the MA, but the best fights ever have been moments in scenarios for me.  That may not apply to other folks, but I can still describe those fights going back to Airwarrior.  Far and above better then anything else I've experienced in a very enjoyable game.

As the saying goes though, your mileage may vary :)
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: FiLtH on November 21, 2011, 11:57:29 PM
One of the cool things in this game is you dont have to be a great player to find your own best fight ever.

When a 3 star player meets a 5 star player and loses, its curatins lots of times for the 3 star.. When a 3 star player meets another 3 star player, an awesome battle can occur. This isnt saying that individually they are very good, but at that moment, the level of competition was so close it made the fight intense.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Oldman731 on November 22, 2011, 08:15:01 AM
One of the cool things in this game is you dont have to be a great player to find your own best fight ever.

When a 3 star player meets a 5 star player and loses, its curatins lots of times for the 3 star.. When a 3 star player meets another 3 star player, an awesome battle can occur. This isnt saying that individually they are very good, but at that moment, the level of competition was so close it made the fight intense.


So very true.

- oldman
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Lusche on November 22, 2011, 08:37:39 AM
.. When a 3 star player meets another 3 star player, an awesome battle can occur. This isnt saying that individually they are very good, but at that moment, the level of competition was so close it made the fight intense.


There was that one particular dogfight in at the beginning of my AH career that's still in my memory as one of the longest and most intense fight I ever had. Sweaty palms, totally exhausted at the end, shaking with excitement after it was over.

Years later I found the film and watched it. Looked like two blindfolded grannies having a pursefight.  :lol  If any of us two would have had any decent skill level, it would have been over in a minute.  But we both sucked, and that's why it was a great fight  :rock
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Megalodon on November 22, 2011, 08:48:12 AM
sorry everyone but I really do have to <golf clap>  this reply!

I guarandamntee ya that 98 to 99% of those who have posted in this thread have not yet had the "fight of their lives"........

you will know it when it happens, and you will long for another like it or better, long after ......  I have only had 3 to 5 in over 16 years that really mean alot to me...... I have had some awesome dogfights...... but I will never forget those few 3 to 5......

 :old:

keep at it, you'll get there!

TC

Been whoopin up on you since AW.  :rofl

Golf Clap,
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: Megalodon on November 22, 2011, 08:50:05 AM
I get what he's saying.  I've had some really great fights in the MA, but the best fights ever have been moments in scenarios for me.  That may not apply to other folks, but I can still describe those fights going back to Airwarrior.  Far and above better then anything else I've experienced in a very enjoyable game.

As the saying goes though, your mileage may vary :)

On any Sunday,
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: caldera on November 22, 2011, 09:14:02 AM

There was that one particular dogfight in at the beginning of my AH career that's still in my memory as one of the longest and most intense fight I ever had. Sweaty palms, totally exhausted at the end, shaking with excitement after it was over.

Years later I found the film and watched it. Looked like two blindfolded grannies having a pursefight.  :lol  If any of us two would have had any decent skill level, it would have been over in a minute.  But we both sucked, and that's why it was a great fight  :rock

That could describe any fight I've had that has lasted over a minute.  :D

Best fight I can remember was a 202 vs 202 fight in the DA with Haxxor.  Lasted over 10 minutes until some tool decided he wanted to interrupt our fight at an isolated field.  The advantage changed hands so many times, it was just amazing.  As perfect a fight as you could ever have.
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: TequilaChaser on November 22, 2011, 12:56:47 PM
Thank You, Tiff , Filth, Oldman and snailman...... all of you provided a great reply......

sorry, I have been down a day or 2, and was trying to find the right words.....

I here ya Mr. Golf Clap  :neener:  ( Megalodon )   post your gameid please........  I know alot of you 4th FG's..... hell 1/3rd of you mentored me...... another 1/3rds was Damned ( Chick specifically ) and last 1/3rds  was Rapier, Dragon, Wraith, Darpa, etc..( Musketeers )..  edit - Mir and dead and other Nomads did too......

also! I am not talking about fights that I may have won........... I am talking about the fight itself........win or lose.......

my last one was with maha in the AvsA.........  batfink has posted the film many times.....and I lost......

<S>

TC
Title: Re: The best fight out there
Post by: dkff49 on November 22, 2011, 03:15:06 PM
That could describe any fight I've had that has lasted over a minute.  :D

Best fight I can remember was a 202 vs 202 fight in the DA with Haxxor.  Lasted over 10 minutes until some tool decided he wanted to interrupt our fight at an isolated field.  The advantage changed hands so many times, it was just amazing.  As perfect a fight as you could ever have.

That fight was probably the longest lasting and most memorable fight I have had i n  AH. Too bad I was so torqued that I hit the cancel and not saved the film after that dbag jumped the fight.

Haven't even been able to duplicate it since either. :bhead

Any fight that leaves me shaking and sore leaves me craving more. Been a while since the last time it happened though.