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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Shuffler on November 09, 2011, 09:49:12 PM
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Penn State fired him this evening. They also fired the President of the University.
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Last I heard they were gonna let him retire at the end of this season. Did they outright fire him now?
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Yes, gone. Being reported Board of Trustees met and removed them both effective immediately.
Boo
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Good.
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Sad situation, an inaction, will cause such a big reaction. lesson learned the very hard way,
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Oh hey Shuffler has heard of somebody.
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Protecting teachers that are scum is one of the lowest and cowardly forms of enabling.
Right?
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Protecting teachers that are scum is one of the lowest and cowardly forms of enabling.
Right?
Didn't you get banned?
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I have yet to read why Joe is even involved. Just because he had the alleged chester the molester under him as a coach he gets the pink slip too?
I had a lot of respect for Joe. Still do.
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He knew about it.
Should have canned the guy on the spot.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke
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I have yet to read why Joe is even involved. Just because he had the alleged chester the molester under him as a coach he gets the pink slip too?
I had a lot of respect for Joe. Still do.
Find out the details on the interwebs and you will understand.
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He knew about it.
Should have canned the guy on the spot.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Whether he knew about it or not it happened on his watch. If he hadnt known about it then he was still in the wrong by not paying attention to his staff.
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Didn't you get banned?
Didn't you?
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^ Actually one of Il's shades.
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:rofl
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IF YOU HEAR OF A CHILD BEING RAPED CALL THE diddlyING POLICE NOT A SUPERVISOR. Joe Pa has NO honor. I hope they all end up in jail with big bubba in the back cell.....
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Paterno and all of his Happy Valley cronies put the reputation of the "program" ahead of the safety of children.
They should be run off in disgrace, at the least and hung in public at the worst.
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He knew about it.
Should have canned the guy on the spot.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke
I agree with you 100%
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at the very least he failed badly in his duty of care :old:
at the worst (and most likely, in my opinion) he's a corrupt paedophile enabler who cared more for the reputation of an idiotic college football program than right and wrong
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IF YOU HEAR OF A CHILD BEING RAPED CALL THE upliftING POLICE NOT A SUPERVISOR. Joe Pa has NO honor. I hope they all end up in jail with big bubba in the back cell.....
Terrible situation for him, but he chose the wrong course. One of his good friends was seen in the shower "wrassling" with a child. If you say anything, your friends reputation will be destroyed, no matter if he is innocent. He might of followed University policy in reporting deed, but he did't follow his gut feeling and report it to the police.
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It appears that he told his superiors, but he didn't follow through by notifying the police. Seems to me like his idea was that if this story came out he could at least say he told "somebody". It's a shame that his long and iconic career will now be tainted because he ignored what was going on hoping it would just "go away".
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http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf
:uhoh pretty awful stuff
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I did some digging and all I am seeing is a bunch of bandwagoners and "lynch him now" types both in the media and in this thread. Fact is the only bit of information some of you have is what the media is reporting and we all know the media is right on top of things, especially the "facts". :huh
As I always say to those who were not there, did not see it, have not walked in another man's pair of shoes.... hold fast your tongues and judgements. The media, like wiki, is not your friend. ;)
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http://www.freep.com/article/20111110/NEWS07/111100541/The-indictment-What-the-grand-jury-alleges-in-Penn-State-sex-abuse-case-involving-Jerry-Sandusky?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE
Doesn't read well for Joe.
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I did some digging and all I am seeing is a bunch of bandwagoners and "lynch him now" types both in the media and in this thread.
I'm not sure if you're an idiot or just a terrible person :headscratch:
It doesn't take much digging to see what the deal is here. Everyone who is trying to defend this scumbag as 'just following protocol by informing his superiors' is a moron. The only reason he did that instead of going to the police is to pass the buck and allow it to be swept under the rug. It's just sickening ;\
Just to re-iterate - they covered up multiple child molestation cases to protect a college football program
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Terrible situation for him, but he chose the wrong course. One of his good friends was seen in the shower "wrassling" with a child. If you say anything, your friends reputation will be destroyed, no matter if he is innocent. He might of followed University policy in reporting deed, but he did't follow his gut feeling and report it to the police.
"WRASSLING?"
According to what his grad assistant reported, it was about as horrible as it gets and "wrassling" is not the correct word. Everyone who knew of this had a responsibility to make sure the police were told and no one did. It's pathetic.
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I did some digging and all I am seeing is a bunch of bandwagoners and "lynch him now" types both in the media and in this thread. Fact is the only bit of information some of you have is what the media is reporting and we all know the media is right on top of things, especially the "facts". :huh
As I always say to those who were not there, did not see it, have not walked in another man's pair of shoes.... hold fast your tongues and judgements. The media, like wiki, is not your friend. ;)
You need to read the grand jury papers. That is not the so called news media.
There is still a lot of info that has not been released too.
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That 23 page report is disturbing to say the least. Wait till they start seizing hard drives and the like and really blow the roof off of this thing. I seriously hope they all end up in jail Joe Pa included.
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Just read it too, and I'm sickened. What a disgusting predator.
He would receive capital punishment if I had my way.
The Grad Student should've reported it to the police. He was 28 years old when he saw it.
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The Grad Student should've reported it to the police. He was 28 years old when he saw it.
Completely agree, but it almost sounds like he got strong armed by Paterno and The President. I mean, you report it to the gods of Penn State, they say they'll take care of it. It's gotta be hard to go over the top of the president and a legendary football coach. Gotta do it though. Shame he didn't make the right decision.
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The students are Rioting.
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The students are Rioting.
Still trying to figure that one out...
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Completely agree, but it almost sounds like he got strong armed by Paterno and The President. I mean, you report it to the gods of Penn State, they say they'll take care of it. It's gotta be hard to go over the top of the president and a legendary football coach. Gotta do it though. Shame he didn't make the right decision.
Yeah, but he was 28 years old, so he's well into "manhood". I'm guessing he was never outside the college atmosphere though, and it made it harder to go over the President and Coach.
I think he'll live with that regret until the day he dies.
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I'm not sure if you're an idiot or just a terrible person :headscratch:
It doesn't take much digging to see what the deal is here. Everyone who is trying to defend this scumbag as 'just following protocol by informing his superiors' is a moron. The only reason he did that instead of going to the police is to pass the buck and allow it to be swept under the rug. It's just sickening ;\
Just to re-iterate - they covered up multiple child molestation cases to protect a college football program
Neither. I'm actually a very good person and a rather level headed individual. I simply do not jump to conclusions and I certainly do not jump on bandwagons (not keen on the mob mentality) since as I've already said, we dont know the entire story and we never will. Reading someone's testimony does not make for a guilty verdict, I remind you.
It is a sad deal no doubt, but firing Joe Paterno was not the right call, imo.
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Everyone in the line, from the grad student who witnessed the assault through the university president that got the info 3rd hand, should have done one simple thing. Call the Police. The Police investigate criminal activity, not the head coach, not the university department heads and not the university president. Each and every one of those folks who did NOT call the police bears a portion of the guilt for every assault that happened past the one the first witness saw. All it takes to enable a pedophile is to do nothing and that is exactly what those folks did. Why anyone thinks merely passing the info up through the college chain is an adequate response is doing nothing to stop the crime.
I haven't seen anything where paterno took any supervisory action against or with his own subordinate in response to being directly notified that his subordinate was seeing committing a child rape. That simple bit of inaction speaks volumes. :mad:
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Neither. I'm actually a very good person and a rather level headed individual. I simply do not jump to conclusions and I certainly do not jump on bandwagons (not keen on the mob mentality) since as I've already said, we dont know the entire story and we never will. Reading someone's testimony does not make for a guilty verdict, I remind you.
It is a sad deal no doubt, but firing Joe Paterno was not the right call, imo.
So what part of JoePa seeing Sandusky still around campus for years, exercising emeritus status, and still having young boys in tow while going in and out of the locker room after one of his staffers has already reported abuse to him once, is following due procedure?
This is normal behavior?
I hope that, for the sake of these boys (or men now) that he did none of the things they say he did and that it is all made up. I really do.
I also understand playing Devil's advocate, but not Devil's idiot...
JoePa did not report anything to the police, did not follow through with what he reported to see if the allegations were true or not and didn't think twice as to why Sandusky was still allowed to roam freely upon campus.
Most normal folks would actively pursue the status of an investigation of this type.
Especially if it pertains to their #2 guy.
In this case, doing nothing was just as bad as intentionally covering it up.
That goes for all involved.
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It is a sad deal no doubt, but firing Joe Paterno was not the right call, imo.
At least you've cleared up my earlier confusion :aok
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What a sickening 23 pages.
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didn't read the entire thread.....but I just hear sandusky may have been pimping boys to big time school contributors.
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didn't read the entire thread.....but I just hear sandusky may have been pimping boys to big time school contributors.
Where did you hear that? If it's true (which is impossible to tell at this time) this thing is way bigger than anyone first though. I hate to speculate at this time, though.
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I have a quite a few peers in the media indy..the talk is all over..but nobody is willing to break it yet..still digging I think. who knows..things are changing by the minutes.
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The more that comes out the worse it looks..
Why did Sandusky retire in 1999? He was only 55...
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The more that comes out the worse it looks..
Why did Sandusky retire in 1999? He was only 55...
He wanted to commit more time to his neverland ranch, err, childrens foundation.
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He wanted to commit more time to his neverland ranch, err, children's foundation.
I guess so.... If Penn state forced him to retire knowing he had a "Problem', but then still gives him privileged access to facilities there's going to be an "S" storm flying around.
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soda, the Presentment mentioned something about a better benefit package if he retired then. I think what you mentioned could be very true, though. They knew he had a problem and forced him to resign. That's my opinion anyway.
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Strangely enough, the D.A. prosecuting the case disappeared in '05...
:noid
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Disappeared?
You mean they can't find him? No wife? no kids? no one?
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Disappeared?
You mean they can't find him? No wife? no kids? no one?
Gone.
No body.
Disappeared.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/133615093.html
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Gone.
No body.
Disappeared.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/133615093.html (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/sports/133615093.html)
Wow, didn't know that, interesting link.. It also mentions the DA first looked into the allegation against Sandusky in 1998 when a woman and her son came forward, but nothing happened. The following year "Sandusky" quietly retires. Penn State must have known, why else would he retire the year after. Then to have another person come forward in 2002 and still not do anything.... :eek: What a mess...
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The worst part in the case IMO, is that a trainer walked in on sandusky and a boy and didn't say anything! :rolleyes:
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I havent followed this very closely but Ive heard the word "child" and "boy" that was abused. Was this in fact a "child" or a student over 18?
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I havent followed this very closely but Ive heard the word "child" and "boy" that was abused. Was this in fact a "child" or a student over 18?
10 or 11 in the 2002 case.
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I havent followed this very closely but Ive heard the word "child" and "boy" that was abused. Was this in fact a "child" or a student over 18?
That grand jury report lists 8 victims all aged between 7-13 years of age.
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the grand jury report can be read. http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/11/10/penn-state-sandusky-paterno/
i couldn't bring myself to do it. it just gets worser and worser. i'm sick of heart and mind.
and very much ashamed that folks who do the right thing come under the gun. the assistant coach who blew the whistle is receiving death threats.
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I havent followed this very closely but Ive heard the word "child" and "boy" that was abused. Was this in fact a "child" or a student over 18?
Approximately 10 years old.
As for the threats and student riots....... just Penn State dirty laundry coming to the forefront.
Normally they are very good at covering this type stuff while looking down at the scandals at other institutions. It was only a matter of time before something in the machine broke. This is far worse than any other college/university infraction that I have ever heard.
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ultimate power corrupts..ultimately.
sure hope this sweeps colleges across the country to turn back to academia and an education as their primary concern..and establish tough tough oversight over athletics.
with that said...you really can't legislate morality.
at the very least...it would have a nice "trickle-up" factor in pro hoops and the nfl..which is being invaded by spoiled, college coddled kids...as a result of their perceived importance in the world.
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Says the guy who validates their importance with a NFL Tampa bay buccaneers avatar lol
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Says the guy who validates their importance with a NFL Tampa bay buccaneers avatar lol
I dig the sport enough to care about what happens to it....thus my above styled comments.
how did that escape you?
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So it was a child then. All this time I thought it was a college student and wondering why paterno should have gone to the police for that. Ya Id say he royally screwed the pooch by not doing so. How could he face the guy knowing he did what he did? Doesnt show alot of character on his part.
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Paterno deserved to be fired for such a lapse in moral judgement. Who doesn't go to the police immediately after hearing a firsthand account of a child being raped.
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So it was a child then. All this time I thought it was a college student and wondering why paterno should have gone to the police for that. Ya Id say he royally screwed the pooch by not doing so. How could he face the guy knowing he did what he did? Doesnt show alot of character on his part.
Read the indictment. 7 boys.
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I did some digging and all I am seeing is a bunch of bandwagoners and "lynch him now" types both in the media and in this thread. Fact is the only bit of information some of you have is what the media is reporting and we all know the media is right on top of things, especially the "facts". :huh
As I always say to those who were not there, did not see it, have not walked in another man's pair of shoes.... hold fast your tongues and judgements. The media, like wiki, is not your friend. ;)
Read the grand jury report then. Check pp 12 where the GJ subpoenaed both the campus police and the states child protective services for records on the 2002 shower incident, there are none.
That is because neither Paterno or anyone else reported this to the police. This contravenes Pennsylvania law, where people in these positions are required to report suspected incidences of child abuse to law enforcement within 48 hours. There is even an 800 number.
At the very least Paterno and anyone else who knew of this and didn't report it deserves to be fired at the very least. Hopefully there will also be criminal prosecution.
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Paterno has aquired a lawyer.
I'm beginning to think he may be facing charges along with others.
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Read the indictment. 7 boys.
Yeah, 7 on the indictment, it's scary to think how many it probably was over his lifetime.
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the statute of limitations might make everyone that much more angry..