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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: uptown on November 20, 2011, 10:53:11 AM
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these two made me go wow! I don't approve of the "hunting" technique, just wowwed by the dogs
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f12_1321745670 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f12_1321745670)
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these two made me go wow! I don't approve of the "hunting" technique, just wowwed by the dogs
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f12_1321745670 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f12_1321745670)
Far as im concerned, that pig owned those dogs.
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Far as im concerned, that pig owned those dogs.
and that tells me you didn't watch the whole clip ;)
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and that tells me you didn't watch the whole clip ;)
I watched it all. (including the end where the big pit charged in).
I dont think that pit could of done it by himself tho. The 3 other dogs pretty much wore the pig down before that pit ever went in. Nether one of those dogs were brave enough to outright attack it. And it was only until the big dog came in did they finaly grow a pair. My dads old boston terrior nearly tore the face off their neighbors pit when it jumped the fence into their yard.
If that was AH and those were planes, than that would be the Pig getting ganged up on. piggy still put up one hell of a fight tho.
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Yeah but had those 2 pitty's been sent in first off the video would have been shorter and I wouldn't have mixed feelings about it.....Pitbulls have a great ability to to be single tracked in their thinking...that is why there was no hesitation and it did as it has been trained...straight for the snout...whether that pig was worn down or not those two dogs would have been straight in with no regard to themselves at all...unlike the other three. and quite honestly, looking at the condition of the 2 pits..that pig wouldn't have stood a chance
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That's just sick. The "hunters" are sadistic freaks.
1. There's no need to prolong the hog's suffering. Kill it quickly... With a gun.
2. There's no need to put the dogs at risk of injury or death.
To me, waiting to send in the pits until the end put the first 3 dogs in unnecessary danger... For amusement.
I'd like to get my hands on these people.
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It is a sad day when that is considered "hunting". I hope the hunter got in close and used a rifle or shotgun slug to put the pig out of his misery. I've watched a lot of videos of hog hunters having their dogs corner the hog somewhere then to shoot it rather quickly. The "hunter" is lucky a few of his dogs were not gutted by the tusks, they are quite sharp and can lay open a dog in one swipe of the hog's head.
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agreed, the idiots need to find another venue to take out thier sick pleasures; like on each other. Totally needless and unwarranted.
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I'm still on the fence about hunting hogs with dogs though and here's why: On A&E there is a program called "American Hoggers". They hunt feral pigs using dogs. However, they quickly dispatch the pig.
The idiots in this film were either A) getting their rocks off watching the dogs or B) didn't want to get wet crossing the stream. Either way, they suck at life.
In another thread someone mentioned something about the feral pigs needing to be exterminated. I agree with this. However, I think we would both agree that there is no purpose in torturing the animals along the way.
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Using dogs as a tool in hunting is fine. Treeing a cat or flushing out animals is well and fine. Even using them to distract a bear is OK. Using them as your 'weapon' is completely rediculous if you have weaopns on hand. Those guys should be fined big time and never allowed to own or hunt, because obviously it's not sport to them, it's entertainment.
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too bad not one of those dogs were Pittbulls. :rolleyes:
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i would of been fine with it, after all it is nature taking its coarse. But the hunters were idiots. That bore was ready to die a honorable and humane death after it fell.
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too bad not one of those dogs were Pittbulls. :rolleyes:
what? those two at the end weren't pits?
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what? those two at the end weren't pits?
their ancestor were, but they are so far from them they are a new breed that have absolutely none of the qualities that make a breed a particular breed.
but the actually look more like American Bulldogs....with some American Staffordshire.
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I'll keep it general as to not overly offend anyone.. However, the world would be a much better place without pitbulls...
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Another bad owner doing the breed a disservice. That's not hunting.
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I'll keep it general as to not overly offend anyone.. However, the world would be a much better place without pitbulls...
sorry but this is so wrong :mad:
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Looked like American Pit Bulls to me but then American Pit Bulls and America Staffs are so closely related as to be almost indistinguishable from each other.
My dog of 10 years is an English Staff which came to the US with me from England. I wouldn't be without her and it's breaking my heart knowing she's reaching the end of her days. I got her as a 4 year old from a rescue center. She spent the first four years of her life locked in a garage living off vermin and whatever else she could catch, being beaten regularly. She's spent the last 8 years of her life living in the Oregon countryside with acres to roam through. She is the boss here at home. She tells us when she thinks we should go to bed and drags her own bed to the space between the doors to the kids rooms....
I digress.
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A single dog will most likely be killed by a wild pig. Always hunt 2 or more dogs for pigs.
Pits make lousy hunting dogs.
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I kept hoping the dogs would get killed or drowned, the whole video. That's a pretty cruel way to kill a hog and I'd shoot those dogs on sight if they ever got on my property. I've got kids and no hunting dog gets even a first chance, let alone a second chance, to be around my kids.
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Pits make lousy hunting dogs.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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I heard somewhere a long time ago that American pitBulls were breed just for wild boar hunting. I was told they grab the boars by the snoat and if they were killed in the process, they're jaws would lock and tire the boar out so the hunters could catch up with it. This was in Florida IIRC.
Then I seen this video and wondered about it again. Anyone else ever heard of this? :headscratch:
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I heard somewhere a long time ago that American pitBulls were breed just for wild boar hunting. I was told they grab the boars by the snoat and if they were killed in the process, they're jaws would lock and tire the boar out so the hunters could catch up with it. This was in Florida IIRC.
Then I seen this video and wondered about it again. Anyone else ever heard of this? :headscratch:
untrue....first pittbulls jaws don't lock...second The American Pittbull Terrier (APBT) was breed for fighting dogs.
but the dogs today have been so far breed from the original APBT they are no longer pittbulls.
it is very rare to find a true APBT.
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Well that just goes to show what I know about those dogs...absolutely nothing :lol I'm a German Shepherd guy myself. :rock
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what? those two at the end weren't pits?
They sure looked like Dogo Argentino's to me.
I kept hoping the dogs would get killed or drowned, the whole video. That's a pretty cruel way to kill a hog and I'd shoot those dogs on sight if they ever got on my property. I've got kids and no hunting dog gets even a first chance, let alone a second chance, to be around my kids.
wtf?
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Yup those were Dogos not pits. They use the hound dogs to find the Boar, then unleash the Dogos. In Argentina where these dogs come from, the Dogos hold the Boar down while the hunter slits the pigs throat with a knife.
And no, a pitbull is not your first choice for a hunting dog. Pits are a jack of all dog trades , but a master of none. They have a lot of whippet mixed in, so if anything they make good sight hounds, not what you're looking for in a boar hunt.
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(http://my-pet-medicine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Dogo-Argentino3.jpg)
(http://www.dogtastic.org/dogtastic/images/BreedPics/dogo%20argentino.jpg)
(http://www.dogsindepth.com/molossoid_dog_breeds/images/dogo_argentino_puppy_h02.jpg)
(http://www.petsads.us/user_images/2655453.jpg)
(http://magazine.dog-cat-horse.com/foto/100302-dogo-argentino-01.jpg)
I want two! :D
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Yup those were Dogos not pits. They use the hound dogs to find the Boar, then unleash the Dogos. In Argentina where these dogs come from, the Dogos hold the Boar down while the hunter slits the pigs throat with a knife.
And no, a pitbull is not your first choice for a hunting dog. Pits are a jack of all dog trades , but a master of none. They have a lot of whippet mixed in, so if anything they make good sight hounds, not what you're looking for in a boar hunt.
pittbull has no whippet in its blood line.
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pittbull has no whippet in its blood line.
Terriers were bred down from whippets.
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Terriers were bred down from whippets.
all terriers?
the English white terrier? which was the breed that was used with the original English bulldog that made the "half and half" and that's the dog our Pittbulls come from.....
so I highly doubt any whippet blood was left in the line, even if that was the case.
ehh I remembered wrong the English white terrier was used to make the Bull terrier.....
the terrier to make the Half an half is unknown.
hmm cant find anything about whippets being used to make terriers...honestly I have never heard that I wouldn't believe it.
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hmm cant find anything about whippets being used to make terriers...honestly I have never heard that I wouldn't believe it.
Google is your friend.
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Google is your friend.
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gee I shoulda thought of that.....
seems you have it backwards...whippets are from greyhounds and terriers.
"...The Whippet was developed at the end of the 19th century through crossing among the Greyhound, the Italian Greyhound, and another terrier type dog."
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/whippet.htm
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What sort of people like this sort of thing :old:
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gee I shoulda thought of that.....
seems you have it backwards...whippets are from greyhounds and terriers.
"...The Whippet was developed at the end of the 19th century through crossing among the Greyhound, the Italian Greyhound, and another terrier type dog."
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/whippet.htm
Look at the bloodline of any terrier. they all used whippet blood to create the breed.
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An interesting vid about stupid dog owners,first there were no pitbulls involved,the 2 yellow dogs are black mouthcurs,the grey/blue dog is a cross with maybe some pit in it and as has been mentioned the 2 white dogs at the end were dogo's.
The owners didnt give the dogs flack jackets and are just asking to loose a good dog to a bleedout.
I realize feral pigs are a huge problem but do they really need to be hunted like that? A quick kill will rid the problem without causing undo stress to both the dogs and the hogs.
In Argentina where the dogos come from it's tradition to hunt boar in this manner and the hunter goes in and kills the hog with his knife as the dogs hold it but thats a traditional type thing and isnt the norm.
It burns me when people call any dog a pit because it's big and has a large head.... :rolleyes: Most wouldnt know a well bred pitbull from a poodle but then attacks by poodles wouldnt make headlines.
Ink, way back when they used whippets in the bull and terriers,they used lakelands,airedales and softcoated wheatons too. There was no standard that the "breed" followed so any "game" dog was used amd mixed into the lines. It wasnt until the 1930 or so that we see the developement of the dogs we call pitbulls today. And even then there were several distinct types,bullterriers,american staffs and english staffs and amoung these we have several subtypes.
Most dont know but these dogs can in all sizes and fought at different weight classes. There were dogs in the 5 to 9 lb range and dogs in the 40 to 50 pound range,once the dogs get much larger than 50 or 60 pounds they become too lumbering and slow and were often dispatched by much lighter and smaller dogs.
The only time you saw the large dogs was if it was a bull or bear baiting event,they even used the smaller 40 to 50 lb dogs against caged lions and tigers. You can read adds from the London times in the 1800's for matches and challenges,1 that stands out to me is the add for Slugo,it went like this.."Slugo standing at challenge,willing to take on man or beast 50 to 500lbs,fee a 5000pound note!
Yes the fought at the Westminister pits,often against baboons or "little" people,once the blood sport was outlawed they turned to dogfighting and ratting and this started the trend to the smaller dogs. A typical"fighter stood 16 inches at the shoulder and weighed 40 pounds,these were found to be all but unbeatable as many of the older "bulldog" types were dispatched by these smaller gamebred types.
So yes you can find whippet blood in some lines,old school bluepauls were said to have the greyhound blood{whippet} to develope the tilted pelvis that allowed them to turn inside their body length,if you've ever seen a pit turn circles you know just what I mean.
There are no bad pitbulls just plenty of stupid owners,btw I dont own a pit,I raise English Staffordshire Bullterriers and for 20 years I bred and showed English Bullterriers so that gives me about 30 years raising these dogs.
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I kept hoping the dogs would get killed or drowned, the whole video. That's a pretty cruel way to kill a hog and I'd shoot those dogs on sight if they ever got on my property. I've got kids and no hunting dog gets even a first chance, let alone a second chance, to be around my kids.
no offense but do you normally say things that are so...for lack of a better term, dumb? properly trained hunting dogs, even pitbulls are safer for kids to be around than the average idiot raised house pet. i've had pitbulls that would let little kids do whatever they wanted with them yet in the field hunting they were very aggressive.
personally, i wouldn't want to be within a mile of the rednecks in that video.
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I kept hoping the dogs would get killed or drowned, the whole video. That's a pretty cruel way to kill a hog and I'd shoot those dogs on sight if they ever got on my property. I've got kids and no hunting dog gets even a first chance, let alone a second chance, to be around my kids.
Hunting dogs trained... hog not..... maybe you'd prefer the hog around your kids.
BTW I did not watch the vid as I have no love for pits.
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no offense but do you normally say things that are so...for lack of a better term, dumb? properly trained hunting dogs, even pitbulls are safer for kids to be around than the average idiot raised house pet. i've had pitbulls that would let little kids do whatever they wanted with them yet in the field hunting they were very aggressive.
personally, i wouldn't want to be within a mile of the rednecks in that video.
How your dog acts =/= how all dogs act.
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How your dog acts =/= how all dogs act.
same thing can be said for other people's kids...without proper training neither are useful.
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There are no bad pitbulls just plenty of stupid owners
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This is correct for the most part. The issue with pits is "if" they turn, they have a 2000 lb biting force. They may not turn any more than other dogs but when they do... it's bad. Also animals pack. In pack they get excited and attack.
Here if we see a dog in the cow pasture it's fine. If we see a group then the guns come out. Dogs in a pack can and will bring down cows.
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same thing can be said for other people's kids...without proper training neither are useful.
...So now your comparing Kids to dogs? :huh
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same thing can be said for other people's kids...without proper training neither are useful.
:lol indeed
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This is correct for the most part. The issue with pits is "if" they turn, they have a 2000 lb biting force. They may not turn any more than other dogs but when they do... it's bad. Also animals pack. In pack they get excited and attack.
Here if we see a dog in the cow pasture it's fine. If we see a group then the guns come out. Dogs in a pack can and will bring down cows.
Indeed,dogs when in a pack can and will be a threat to anything that moves. As for bite force,well 2000lbs is thrown around alot but the truth is not really known.BTW humans can have a bite force in excess of 500lbs and cause much more infection than most dog bites.... :D
I can understand that some people dont like pits but the dog is not to blame the owners are. A gamebred pure fighting dog will never bite a human,it's not in the dogs makeup to do so and any human aggression is culled out of the lines. Most the dogs you see today called "pitbulls" just arent pitbulls,they look somewhat like a pitbull but are overly large and despite the muscle and "looks" wouldnt last 1 minute with a gamebred dog.Those types look more like a hound than the steriotipical "pitbull",infact they've come to look like that mostly from being in the showring.
Even my Staffies have suffered from this as they tend to look more bulldoggy than terrier because the judges tend to favour the stocky blockheaded dogs over the true athletic types.
They banned pits where I live,mine are grandfather claused dogs so I'm allowed to keep them but must not breed or sell them.Now all you see are rotties and presas instead of the pits,ya like a 60 pound pit is dangerous but somehow a 120lb rottie or presa isnt... :rolleyes: Oh and the presas come from a line of Mastiff that was bred for slave retrieval or plantation dogs! Now there's a dangerous dog! include the brazillian mastif{fila} and you have dogs that were bred to be human aggressive.The fila's cant even be approached in the show ring,judges stand back from the dogs and the owners present the dogs to the judges. I could go out tommorrow and get a fila,about a 150lb dog but I cant own another Staffy that weighs 35lbs.......... :eek:
Oh well, atleast until they discover the lakeland terrier is just a longhaired staffy I can always get 1 of those....right the wife says no more dogs and she's been saying that for about 30 years now!!!
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Are you serious? they have bundled staffies in the mix of dangerous dogs.. where you live...that is really sad...
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They banned pits where I live,mine are grandfather claused dogs so I'm allowed to keep them but must not breed or sell them.Now all you see are rotties and presas instead of the pits,ya like a 60 pound pit is dangerous but somehow a 120lb rottie or presa isnt... :rolleyes: Oh and the presas come from a line of Mastiff that was bred for slave retrieval or plantation dogs! Now there's a dangerous dog! include the brazillian mastif{fila} and you have dogs that were bred to be human aggressive.The fila's cant even be approached in the show ring,judges stand back from the dogs and the owners present the dogs to the judges. I could go out tommorrow and get a fila,about a 150lb dog but I cant own another Staffy that weighs
I get the frustration but why are you lumping the Rott in as a " dangerous dog"?
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Are you serious? they have bundled staffies in the mix of dangerous dogs.. where you live...that is really sad...
yes I agree but the genius who wrote and passed the law couldn't tell 1 dog from another.
A well known celebrity owned bullterriers and they were exempt for some reason,when asked in parlament why the staffy and not the bullterrier he said you could tell a bullterrier apart from a pitbull but the same cant be said about the staffy.
So in the end I can own a bullterrier but not another staffy,or I could get any of the mastiff breeds. If I wanted a nasty dog I'd get a working breed,giant schnauzer,black russian terrier,belgian sheppard or even a standard poodle.
YMMV.
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PS: Slash not lumping in any breed,just mentioning the dogs that have replaced all the pitbulls.I my mind any dog over about 30 lbs can be dangerous and dogs that go 100 pounds or more can take down almost any human.
I dont think any dog is dangerous really but their owners can make them that way.
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I get the frustration but why are you lumping the Rott in as a " dangerous dog"?
Rotts get a lot of blame game ,too. I have had a rott. Was a great dog but got poisoned.
Never found out who did it.