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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Rob52240 on November 24, 2011, 05:16:14 AM
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The Russians have invented a heroin substitute that costs a fraction of the real thing and causes their flesh to rot right off the bone. I'd post pictures but I don't want to get banned.
Look it up, it's called Krocodil and you can look it up on google or youtube.
Grab a bucket.
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kinda slow but, effective...best part is it's self inflicted population control.
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Is there any way that stuff can be introduced to particular neighbor"hoods", the "occupiers", and a few other particular places in the world? Obviously, it weeds out those who are not smart enough to stay away from it.
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I'd post pictures but I don't want to get banned.
Look it up, it's called Krocodil and you can look it up on google or youtube.
Sissy. I googled for pictures Krokodil and I dare to post what google came up with:
(http://www.loomy.net/data/pictures/at/Tiere/krokodil1.jpg)
Now waiting for my PNG ...(http://serve.mysmiley.net/evilgrin/evilgrin0036.gif)
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silly snail,thats not a Krokodil. its a Allygaytur :rolleyes:
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silly snail,thats not a Krokodil. its a Allygaytur :rolleyes:
Did I say it is? :P
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pretty sure this isn't limited to Russia, think I saw a link to a documentary of some folks in the US addicted to this crazy stuff as well
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:O
HOLY F... Just read an article and don't believe I need to look at any more pictures.
Why on earth would someone do something like that? I thought it couldn't get worse than meth, but ye gods... What makes someone see one of those people and go, "Hey! I need to get me some of that!"
Wiley.
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Addiction is a scary thing.
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Is there any way that stuff can be introduced to particular neighbor"hoods", the "occupiers", and a few other particular places in the world? Obviously, it weeds out those who are not smart enough to stay away from it.
I would begin introducing it to you and stupid people that think like you.
semp
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Addiction is a scary thing.
Yeah, I get it once you're addicted, but what possesses someone to try it the first time? I'm sure it boils down to ignorance of what it's actually going to do to you, but still... wow.
Wiley.
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"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."
-Hunter S. Thompson
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Yeah, I get it once you're addicted, but what possesses someone to try it the first time? I'm sure it boils down to ignorance of what it's actually going to do to you, but still... wow.
Wiley.
Well in this case, it is probably the heroine addicts who can no longer afford to buy the heroine. In their desperation, they will use whatever they can get their hands on.
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Yup drugs are good alright. Perhaps this is natures way of reinstating survival of the fittest in the modern world where nature ceased to be the main method of weeding out the weak. I just don't know. I do not understand addiction at all. I do not understand being so in need of some kind of crutch to "feel good". I've seen plenty of addiction and addicts of all types.
The world and life are what you make them out to be or run away from. Some just waste everything.
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Well in this case, it is probably the heroine addicts who can no longer afford to buy the heroine. In their desperation, they will use whatever they can get their hands on.
*facepalm* That probably would've occurred to me in a few hours... Makes sense.
I'm all for letting people do to themselves what they will, but damn... They really shouldn't do that.
Wiley.
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Well in this case, it is probably the heroine addicts who can no longer afford to buy the heroine. In their desperation, they will use whatever they can get their hands on.
maybe over in Russia, but here in the good ol USA they just go cry to some bleeding heart agency and receive free methadone, like thats going to help them get off the addiction, just another crutch at the publics expense.
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found a picture of what it did to someone's arm :bolt:
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found a picture of what it did to someone's arm :bolt:
Here is an 18x18 cropping of the picture he is talking about:
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2695/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh.png)
You are all now officially horrified. Carry on.
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maybe over in Russia, but here in the good ol USA they just go cry to some bleeding heart agency and receive free methadone, like thats going to help them get off the addiction, just another crutch at the publics expense.
Methadone treatment isn't used to try kicking addiction, it's used as a safer alternative to chronic users
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Wow..... natural selection in action. Got to be one of the most twisted ways its hit us so far. If you're dumb enough to do the drug.... you rot to death.
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agh sh*t that was nasty. i saw a pic of one dudes arm completely rotted down to the meat and bone... :bolt:
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Sissy. I googled for pictures Krokodil and I dare to post what google came up with:
(http://www.loomy.net/data/pictures/at/Tiere/krokodil1.jpg)
Now waiting for my PNG ...(http://serve.mysmiley.net/evilgrin/evilgrin0036.gif)
Nein, Du mussen Schnappi suche!
:cheers: Oz
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the governments of the world finaly realised that creating and releasing viruses isnt going to control world population so they came up with the much smarter idea of helping us kill ourselves.
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the governments of the world finaly realised that creating and releasing viruses isnt going to control world population so they came up with the much smarter idea of helping us kill ourselves.
Y'know... I'm not tremendously paranoid, but if one sits back and assumes complete amorality on the part of the governments, and looks at things objectively, it's not THAT farfetched.
Ok, that's close enough to politickin', I'm off to find something cute and furry to hug to make myself feel better now.
Wiley.
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I would begin introducing it to you and stupid people that think like you.
semp
Always with the positive vibes
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Since when has semp been different?
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The "rotting" explains the drug's nickname. At the injection site, which can be anywhere from the feet to the forehead, the addict's skin becomes greenish and scaly, like a crocodile's.
I do think it have something to do with contamination, the injection site gets infected.
...well 2012 is near, get prepaired ;)
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I imagine these junkies got into it because it's much cheaper than Heroin and easier to do than go through withdrawal.
The way I understand it through my own experience with tobacco is that when someone is chemically dependent on something, it's not used to feel good so much as it's used to avoid feeling bad. Ask anyone who's been smoking regularly for a while if they still get a buzz from it and they will either say no or be lying.
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I would begin introducing it to you and stupid people that think like you.
semp
+1 that other comment was one of the most stupid things I have read.
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Should release this under secrecy, would do the world a favor to get rid of drug addicts
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Should release this under secrecy, would do the world a favor to get rid of drug addicts
Well, if you did get rid of drug addicts then your drug free existence would suddenly become valueless, so you're better off with balance in the world.
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Should release this under secrecy, would do the world a favor to get rid of drug addicts
Yes, if we introduced this in the us all drug addicts would immediately switch to it as their drug of choice.
Think before you talk.
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I personally feel that for someone who has gotten so desperate that they are willing to use such a horrifying drug, compassion is in order.
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Problem is that compassion doesn't help stop the withdrawl symptoms. Whats really needed is to restrain them untill they get over the withdrawls, and hopefully, with support, they can stay off it.
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In the bigger picture it's just dawinism in action for the better of the spieces. Evolution doesn't give a fig about the individual.
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In the bigger picture it's just dawinism in action for the better of the spieces. Evolution doesn't give a fig about the individual.
Seeing as how alcoholism/addiction is a genetic disorder (eg American Indians, Irish, other populations with very high alcoholism rates), that may not be the case.
It is believed the alcoholism gene is a genetic response to populations under extreme stress, much the same way cannibalism has been shown to pop up after communities come under extreme stress.
Unlike cannibalism however, alcoholism is believed to actually help those populations survive by providing organisms with a better chance of surviving dire times. If you step back and look at alcoholism/addiction as a side effect of that survival instinct, you'll see that it's not going to be bred out of society. Once a society hits a certain level of stress and suffering, you will see alcoholism rates increase I would guess.
It's an evolutionary response to help the human species survive, but with horrible side effects (that conveniently breeds itself out of the gene pool once a population comes out of that highly stressful situation).
And by stress in my response, I mean stress upon a group such as, war, famine, overpopulation, disease, etc.
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Desise and overpopulation is questionable. Severe overpopulation often leads to desiese. Drugs and alchahol can weaken the immune system, which would be detrimental to survival under those circumstances. Our bodies are amazingly clever, and would probably recognize that weakening the immune system in the presense of a deadly disese is tantamount to suicide.
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Seeing as how alcoholism/addiction is a genetic disorder (eg American Indians, Irish, other populations with very high alcoholism rates), that may not be the case.
It is believed the alcoholism gene is a genetic response to populations under extreme stress, much the same way cannibalism has been shown to pop up after communities come under extreme stress.
Unlike cannibalism however, alcoholism is believed to actually help those populations survive by providing organisms with a better chance of surviving dire times. If you step back and look at alcoholism/addiction as a side effect of that survival instinct, you'll see that it's not going to be bred out of society. Once a society hits a certain level of stress and suffering, you will see alcoholism rates increase I would guess.
It's an evolutionary response to help the human species survive, but with horrible side effects (that conveniently breeds itself out of the gene pool once a population comes out of that highly stressful situation).
And by stress in my response, I mean stress upon a group such as, war, famine, overpopulation, disease, etc.
Interesting points. Could we make a distinction between highly stressful addiction, for instance those in the trenches of WWI, and addiction due to boredom, such as a perfectly easy living middle class teenager injecting smack? The second must be different to stress induced addiction.
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Desise and overpopulation is questionable. Severe overpopulation often leads to desiese. Drugs and alchahol can weaken the immune system, which would be detrimental to survival under those circumstances. Our bodies are amazingly clever, and would probably recognize that weakening the immune system in the presense of a deadly disese is tantamount to suicide.
Evolution doesn't "choose" the better way, the ways that don't work get eliminated, leaving the ways that worked. It's thought the alcoholism gene is a leftover of whatever mechanism helps survival in times when populations come under stress.
For an easy example to help make sense of it, look at your average homeless drug addict. Often times they suffer from skin diseases and cancers and other serious ailments that would kill or completely immobilize a healthy person. Alcoholism, or whatever is behind it, makes a person much more resistant to harsh environments. That's how the theory goes at least. I'll try to find some sources that explain it more scientifically than I ever could. I'm not arguing that alcoholism is good for humans. For the individual, alcoholism is just like any other disease, detrimental to the organism. For the population however, it may help the species. The idea is, keep an organism alive so it can breed, even at the health of that organism.
Interesting points. Could we make a distinction between highly stressful addiction, for instance those in the trenches of WWI, and addiction due to boredom, such as a perfectly easy living middle class teenager injecting smack? The second must be different to stress induced addiction.
We're talking much longer time scales. More than one generation type timescale. What is happening in Russia is the leftover alcoholics in the gene pool who haven't died off and bred themselves out yet.
Anywhere in the world where you have had extended periods of famine, war, disease, or other factors, you will find high levels of alcoholism in the genetic pool. As those societies come out of the periods of duress, the alcoholic gene will die off. It's not healthy for an individual to carry the disease in it's active state. Which is where modern man comes into play, because of our increased health and medicine systems as a society, it takes longer for the alcoholic gene to die off through generations, if we're even allowing it to die out at all anymore.
The scary aspect of this theory is that as we advance as a species, we have been putting more and more effort into helping the alcoholics and other diseased. While I completely agree with the fact we should continue to help those who need it, you have to wonder, are we hurting the human species by not only allowing, but helping the genetically weak survive? No other animal species on earth other than humans is capable of going against Mother Nature's (and/or God's) evolutionary rules. (for a simple example, the more we take antibiotics, the more bacteria are able to resist them. Or when hygiene became more prevalent in Europe, we lost our resistance to some diseases)
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Yes, I find myself agreeing with everything you wrote. I am very much interested in how we have changed evolution by giving those that would die a chance to survive. This happens in thousands of way along with what you emntion about addicts. On the selfless side of things I see it as a bad thing for humanity. On the selfsih side of things I am very grateful for the medical skills that help put my bones back together when I broke them. This is interesting too because me breaking my bones is not actualy genetic weakness because I didnt have weak bones, I did stupid things that no bones could withstand. But perhaps it is stupidity, which is definitely an attribute we could do with evolving beyond.
Perhaps if we do eliminate all the humans with genetics that prompt them to drink when facing extreme stress then we may find ourselves in a society that simply implodes in those situations rather than fights through to the other side?
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Nein, Du mussen Schnappi suche!
:cheers: Oz
Arrrrrrrggggggggggg take that tune outta my head :furious
Perhaps if we do eliminate all the humans with genetics that prompt them to drink when facing extreme stress then we may find ourselves in a society that simply implodes in those situations rather than fights through to the other side?
That would indeed be an outcome I can imagine
Apart from any imminent questions about morality...
Genetics are very complex, end the results of genes in action are even more so. In many cases, there is no simple "switch" do shut one thing off and on. Genes are interacting in may ways and affecting very different things.
Assumed this is possible at all: If we "eliminate" (sorry, I'm still very uncomfortable with such expressions considering my national history) all humans with those genetics that prompt them to drink, we may also lose some genetic traits that have a totally different hidden (?) function or "benefit" for the species in another area.
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This thread made me also ponder some thoughts about that thing called "free will" again, one pet peeve of mine. I have very contradicting views / opinions on that matter: I am a believer and proponent of the concept "Everyone is responsible or has to assume responsibility for his own life and actions". Yet I am fully aware that many people don't have that choice, even it it seems like they do have one. "Why do they do...." "Why don't they just stop xyz...?". Not just limited to drugs, but to many other behaviours that may seem inappropriate or "illogical" to those not walking in the same shoes, so to speak. People do many things they would like not to do... they just can't...
I'm deeply convinced that it is just a result of several very lucky coincidences that I'm not a wrecked drug addict myself. I would have just the right personality structure to be one. I'm afraid that with one step on that drug road, no matter how harmless, I could end up where the Krokodile users are. :uhoh
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That would indeed be an outcome I can imagine
Apart from any imminent questions about morality...
Genetics are very complex, end the results of genes in action are even more so. In many cases, there is no simple "switch" do shut one thing off and on. Genes are interacting in may ways and affecting very different things.
Assumed this is possible at all: If we "eliminate" (sorry, I'm still very uncomfortable with such expressions considering my national history) all humans with those genetics that prompt them to drink, we may also lose some genetic traits that have a totally different hidden (?) function or "benefit" for the species in another area.
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This thread made me also ponder some thoughts about that thing called "free will" again, one pet peeve of mine. I have very contradicting views / opinions on that matter: I am a believer and proponent of the concept "Everyone is responsible or has to assume responsibility for his own life and actions". Yet I am fully aware that many people don't have that choice, even it it seems like they do have one. "Why do they do...." "Why don't they just stop xyz...?". Not just limited to drugs, but to many other behaviours that may seem inappropriate or "illogical" to those not walking in the same shoes, so to speak. People do many things they would like not to do... they just can't...
I'm deeply convinced that it is just a result of several very lucky coincidences that I'm not a wrecked drug addict myself. I would have just the right personality structure to be one. I'm afraid that with one step on that drug road, no matter how harmless, I could end up where the Krokodile users are. :uhoh
I definitely agree with your top paragraph. Although it may be difficult as it has been hard coaded into your mind to avoid saying things like 'eliminate', please don't feel uncomfortable around me for one. We cannot blame present day Germans for that part of history anymore than blame present day English for slavery or empire building or many of the other crimes all cultures and races commit. To even have a debate of this nature we must be seperated from morality and a person's national history has no bearing on how freely they may speak. This is because we are speaking about 'what might happen' not 'what we believe is right'.
I am the same as you. Geneticaly I am an addict. It works both ways. When I find a hobby or pursuit I enjoy and want to get good at, I devote myself to it as an addict to become as proficient at what I want to do with it as possible. The bad side being I also get addicted to drugs or other negative addictions (love may be one? - hehe) very easily if I love the effect they have on me. I have beaten a few negative addictions and I think if we are to assume genetics are in play then I would suggest my mother's side of the family, rife with drunks and addicts, are where I get my addictive personality from...but also my passion for hobbies and life in general. My father's side is far more rational and that is where I find the strength to cease my negative addictions.
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I definitely agree with your top paragraph. Although it may be difficult as it has been hard coaded into your mind to avoid saying things like 'eliminate', please don't feel uncomfortable around me for one. We cannot blame present day Germans for that part of history anymore than blame present day English for slavery or empire building or many of the other crimes all cultures and races commit. To even have a debate of this nature we must be seperated from morality and a person's national history has no bearing on how freely they may speak. This is because we are speaking about 'what might happen' not 'what we believe is right'.
Just to clarify, I meant it in a way that I just may have are greater sensibility to such terms in general as I have naturally have been exposed to more debates, research (and affected people!) about eugenics and similar topics - and not because I'm a German myself.
/hijack off
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I am the same as you. Geneticaly I am an addict. It works both ways. When I find a hobby or pursuit I enjoy and want to get good at, I devote myself to it as an addict to become as proficient at what I want to do with it as possible. The bad side being I also get addicted to drugs or other negative addictions (love may be one? - hehe) very easily if I love the effect they have on me. I have beaten a few negative addictions and I think if we are to assume genetics are in play then I would suggest my mother's side of the family, rife with drunks and addicts, are where I get my addictive personality from...but also my passion for hobbies and life in general.
I think very are very much different, almost as different as possible. ;)
You characterization reads more like a "live fast", full of power, energy and utmost enthusiasm, which just is being in danger of not being put into the "right thing". In terms of drugs, it may be more a "cool, lets try this!" attitude.
I'm hard pressed to imagine anything more opposite than me. Hard drugs would find a very weak victim in me, one that would use looking for another kick but to escape reality... maybe that's one of the reasons why I can relate to those Krokodil users with that dulled look in their eyes...
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Hmm ok, interesting.
Would you agree that addictive personalities don't have to concern just negative addicitions?
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Hmm ok, interesting.
Would you agree that addictive personalities don't have to concern just negative addicitions?
A reluctant "yes", because right now I'm wondering how to define "addictive personality" ;)
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people who become addicted to anything more easily than the average personality does
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people who become addicted to anything more easily than the average personality does
But that could be for very different reasons, I think.
I just know what type of personality I am and why I could have been a victim of drugs... :)
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We've all seen the picture of the flesh coming off the arm. Sorry for taking the low road. Drug addiction is a serious subject but the caption should read. "Captain Hook Will Lose Arm To Krocadile"
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We've all seen the picture of the flesh coming off the arm. Sorry for taking the low road. Drug addiction is a serious subject but the caption should read. "Captain Hook Will Lose Arm To Krocadile"
F*** PC, that's funny as hell :rofl
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Graphic yes, but hopefully anyone who sees the effects, especially teenagers, will be scared off from any thoughts of doing any type of drug.
I personally have no pity for those people in the video (I saw it on youtube) because they made the choice to do drugs in the first place.
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Graphic yes, but hopefully anyone who sees the effects, especially teenagers, will be scared off from any thoughts of doing any type of drug.
I personally have no pity for those people in the video (I saw it on youtube) because they made the choice to do drugs in the first place.
From my own experience in life, choice is often more limited than it seems when looking at it from outside. And a simple wrong action can end you up in a big mess years later.
A human being is rotting away alive. That's a pitiful thing in itself, no matter what.
And the daunting effects on teenagers... dunno. :headscratch:
In the 5th grade we had been enlightened about the dangers of smoking. Very detailed. Films, pictures, texts, some of them very graphic. Scientific explanations and evidence, and we had been enlightened about group dynamics and peer pressure. And we did understand it.
All of us agreed how stupid smoking is, from a financial and health point of view. Everybody was convinced he would never start smoking.
Four years later more than half of us did smoke. :lol
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Graphic yes, but hopefully anyone who sees the effects, especially teenagers, will be scared off from any thoughts of doing any type of drug.
I personally have no pity for those people in the video (I saw it on youtube) because they made the choice to do drugs in the first place.
Just remember the parents who probably made the choice to have kids in a situation they shouldn't have. Most likely the parents were drug addicts or alcoholics in the prime of their using, they probably were born addicts to a substance before they even had a choice to make. The children probably weren't raised with a mother and father, ones who could at least raise them how a child needs to be.
I agree though, once you turn into an adult, you don't get to blame your past anymore. But we could go a long way to solving alcohol and drug addiction if we started coming down REAL hard on parents not raising their children. Having the addiction gene is not a guarantee of addition, it makes it much more likely, but it is not certain. The common truth in almost all addicts however, is their childhood, and how they are raised. Shocking I know, if you don't properly raise your children, they don't grow into a proper human being.
I just saw on TV a few days ago, a woman addicted to meth in prison, who had 9 children. Literally most of those children were in prison already, most addicted to meth as well. And guess what, she was pregnant with another child. And this is all perfectly legal. You can't build an addition on to your house with house without sticking your head up 3 or 4 separate government entities' rear-ends, but you can have as many children as you want, regardless if you're capable of raising them.
And Lusche, you hit the nail on the head with genetics. The alcohol gene has been proven to be a factor of quite a few genes, all adding their little touch.
Addiction is pretty easy to define, doing something that has negative consequences, and not stopping even after those consequences start negatively affecting your life.
Here's a little website that makes it pretty clear cut as to what's going on in the brain: http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/ (http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/) and http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/genetics/ (http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/genetics/)
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I have a very addictive personality....had an extremely difficult life growing up, I would NEVER touch that stuff...would not even contemplate it.
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I have a very addictive personality....had an extremely difficult life growing up, I would NEVER touch that stuff...would not even contemplate it.
I would imagine even most drug addicts would be scared by that stuff. Although, I still say meth is worse
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I would imagine even most drug addicts would be scared by that stuff. Although, I still say meth is worse
ya meth is bad, but I cant see it being "worse" then that stuff, I have seen the worst of meth/heroin and it don't come near whats in that video.
but I wont do meth or Heroin ether. although I have done both. many many years ago.
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Well learned something new today. :headscratch:
Rather I didn't now.
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ya meth is bad, but I cant see it being "worse" then that stuff, I have seen the worst of meth/heroin and it don't come near whats in that video.
but I wont do meth or Heroin ether. although I have done both. many many years ago.
Let's go ask BiPolar, I bet he has experience with both :bolt:
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I wonder, is our body's main directive to reproduce whatever the cost, regardless of if doing so is harmfull to the species (and if it can recognize when doing so WOULD be harmfull to the survival of the species), or if our body's main directive is to ensure the survival of the species through whatever means is both most effective and available.
That is to say, do our bodies recognize behavior that, while not resulting in reproducion, is helpfull to the species as a whole, and reward us with some dopeamine?
Or are bodies unable to differentiate between simply ensuring there is another generation, and what is infact helpfull to the species.
For example, almost everybody in our society survives to have the opportunity to reproduce, regardless of the fact that they would have died before having the chance because of something self-inflicted by their own stupid actions. That means our idiot ratio will continue to grow, as its often the idiots that over-reproduce, even if they don't have the means to support their offpsring.
Could the females develop an instinct to avoid such males, which would result in them being excluded from the gene pool?
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I wonder, is our body's main directive to reproduce whatever the cost, regardless of if doing so is harmfull to the species (and if it can recognize when doing so WOULD be harmfull to the survival of the species), or if our body's main directive is to ensure the survival of the species through whatever means is both most effective and available.
That is to say, do our bodies recognize behavior that, while not resulting in reproducion, is helpfull to the species as a whole, and reward us with some dopeamine?
Or are bodies unable to differentiate between simply ensuring there is another generation, and what is infact helpfull to the species.
For example, almost everybody in our society survives to have the opportunity to reproduce, regardless of the fact that they would have died before having the chance because of something self-inflicted by their own stupid actions. That means our idiot ratio will continue to grow, as its often the idiots that over-reproduce, even if they don't have the means to support their offpsring.
Could the females develop an instinct to avoid such males, which would result in them being excluded from the gene pool?
The problem is, as a species, we're doing good. Stupid people are breeding faster and faster, they're out-breeding the people we want having kids. But that isn't bad for the species, just bad for us who have to live with them
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In the long-term, it IS bad for the species. We're creating generations that are less and less able to fend for themselves, and that make continually dumber and dumber decisions. Follow that to its conclusion, and you end up with a bunch of mentally defective hicks, who are unable to create a working society.
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In the long-term, it IS bad for the species. We're creating generations that are less and less able to fend for themselves, and that make continually dumber and dumber decisions. Follow that to its conclusion, and you end up with a bunch of mentally defective hicks, who are unable to create a working society.
No one claimed evolution cared about the individual organism. Yes, it sucks for us, but as a species, humans are doing quite well.
That is the beauty of the human, we have been able to tell nature, "Screw your design, we'll do it better."
Look at pregnancy in humans, while still a dangerous medical condition, our death rates during have greatly decreased compared to even 100 years ago. Look at our length of life due to modern medicine and other factors. We're able to adapt much much faster using things we as a species created, faster than nature alone could of ever done for us.
Human evolution seems to be in the hands of humans now, not random design. For better or worse
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No one claimed evolution cared about the individual organism. Yes, it sucks for us, but as a species, humans are doing quite well.
That is the beauty of the human, we have been able to tell nature, "Screw your design, we'll do it better."
Look at pregnancy in humans, while still a dangerous medical condition, our death rates during have greatly decreased compared to even 100 years ago. Look at our length of life due to modern medicine and other factors. We're able to adapt much much faster using things we as a species created, faster than nature alone could of ever done for us.
Human evolution seems to be in the hands of humans now, not random design. For better or worse
it was never random :aok
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A deadly drug which rots the flesh of users - and kills the majority of addicts within a year of their first hit.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063224/Curse-Krokodil-Fears-home-Heroin-thats-rotting-Russian-addicts-flesh-spreads-Europe.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063224/Curse-Krokodil-Fears-home-Heroin-thats-rotting-Russian-addicts-flesh-spreads-Europe.html)
Population control.
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Quite arguable. Up untill legitimate medicines (i.e. stuff that can cure the problem, not just cover up the symptoms) were in fairly wide-spread use, it was largely upto nature. Yeah, we could take care of minor injuries that would have festered and potentially killed someone if left untreated, we still couldn't do anything about the people with weak immune systems that fell victim to disease.
Warhead, the problem is not everyone nessicarily should be included in the gene pool. Look at all the handsomehunk kids that think its funny as hell to draw swasticas all over the place, or break random people's stuff for no reason, or put eachother up on tables and pretend to rape eachother. re those the type of people that you want contributing to the next generation?
In some ways, hitler's view of purifying the race was correct, even if his choice of targets wasn't. We've grown soft enough that we let EVERYONE contribute even if it will end up having a massive negative impact on out society in the future, for no better reason than someone said "well its not their fault they're so screwed up. They MIGHT produce children that are functioning members of society.... maybe".
The idiots are the ones that over-produce. They screw up their kids because they don't know how not to. So for every 1 idiot we have now (both male and female), we will end up with between 1.5-3 idiots in the next generation. Where does it end?
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Quite arguable. Up untill legitimate medicines (i.e. stuff that can cure the problem, not just cover up the symptoms) were in fairly wide-spread use, it was largely upto nature. Yeah, we could take care of minor injuries that would have festered and potentially killed someone if left untreated, we still couldn't do anything about the people with weak immune systems that fell victim to disease.
Warhead, the problem is not everyone nessicarily should be included in the gene pool. Look at all the handsomehunk kids that think its funny as hell to draw swasticas all over the place, or break random people's stuff for no reason, or put eachother up on tables and pretend to rape eachother. re those the type of people that you want contributing to the next generation?
In some ways, hitler's view of purifying the race was correct, even if his choice of targets wasn't. We've grown soft enough that we let EVERYONE contribute even if it will end up having a massive negative impact on out society in the future, for no better reason than someone said "well its not their fault they're so screwed up. They MIGHT produce children that are functioning members of society.... maybe".
The idiots are the ones that over-produce. They screw up their kids because they don't know how not to. So for every 1 idiot we have now (both male and female), we will end up with between 1.5-3 idiots in the next generation. Where does it end?
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny...
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Anyone who expects heroin junkies to show up to work or be able to work while at work is a bit naive.
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The ability of the human genome to adapt to it's surroundings is completely remarkable.
Humans WILL adapt, there is no question about that. It is also proven that our free will can screw-up the process.
Example: Sickle Cell Anemia is a "disease" predominately contracted by peoples of African heritage.
A little known fact is that folks with this "disease" are resistant to malaria, but taken out of the environment where malaria is present, it becomes a malady.
The are other evidences of other "diseases" that were, in the proper context, an adaptation of the human genome to combat some threat of their environment that backfire when the threat is nullified such as Tay Sachs in folks of Jewish decent. There are theories that have appeared that suggest that the genetic "mutation" with regard to lipid storage may have evolved as a defense against some type of environmental "threat" at some point...
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The ability of the human genome to adapt to it's surroundings is completely remarkable.
Humans WILL adapt, there is no question about that. It is also proven that our free will can screw-up the process.
Example: Sickle Cell Anemia is a "disease" predominately contracted by peoples of African heritage.
A little known fact is that folks with this "disease" are resistant to malaria, but taken out of the environment where malaria is present, it becomes a malady.
The are other evidences of other "diseases" that were, in the proper context, an adaptation of the human genome to combat some threat of their environment that backfire when the threat is nullified such as Tay Sachs in folks of Jewish decent. There are theories that have appeared that suggest that the genetic "mutation" with regard to lipid storage may have evolved as a defense against some type of environmental "threat" at some point...
Alcoholism is a byproduct of the survivor gene, aka Thillseeker