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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 1Nicolas on November 26, 2011, 09:11:30 PM
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How about a Ferdinand/Elefant tank detsroyer?? Its most Historical battle was the Battle Of Kursk, 1943.
Here is a nice pic with Specs:
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x347/1Nicolas/Ferdinand.jpg)
Picture: The United States Army Ordnance Museum's restored Elefant.
Type Heavy tank destroyer
Place of origin Nazi Germany
Production history
Designer Dr. Ferdinand Porsche
Designed 1942-43
Manufacturer Porsche AG
Produced March – May 1943
(modification into Elefant October – November 1943)
Number built 91
Specifications
Weight 65 tonnes (140,000 lb)
Length 8.14 m (26 ft 8 in) with gun
Width 3.38 m (11 ft 1 in)
Height 2.97 m (9 ft 9 in)
Crew 6 (driver, radio-operator, commander, gunner, two loaders)
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Armor 200 mm (7.87 in)
Main
armament 8.8 cm Pak 43/2 L/71, also known as StuK 43/1
Secondary
armament 7.92 mm MG 34 machine gun (only Elefant)
Engine 2×Maybach HL 120 petrol
2× 300 PS (296 hp, 221 kW)
Power/weight 9.23 PS/tonne
Suspension longitudinal torsion-bar
Operational
range 150 km (93 mi) road
90 km (56 mi) cross-country
Speed 30 kilometres per hour (19 mph)
Oh yeah I can kill a Tiger and Panther
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Won't be added any time soon, many others would be first.
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Much rather have StuG III Ausf G. and the M26 Pershing added first.
Or the KV-1 added before both of those. but +1 anyways.
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Much rather have StuG III Ausf G. and the M26 Pershing added first.
Or the KV-1 added before both of those. but +1 anyways.
Ferdinand would probably be added well before the M26, problem is we don't need any more late war heavy tanks, EW and Midwar are suffering horribly.
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Ferdinand would probably be added well before the M26, problem is we don't need any more late war heavy tanks, EW and Midwar are suffering horribly.
Doubt that. The americans dont have a hard-hitting tank to compete with the King tiger yet. The brits tech have the firefly. The russians have the t34/85. The americans havent receives the Pershing yet.
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Doubt that. The americans dont have a hard-hitting tank to compete with the King tiger yet. The brits tech have the firefly. The russians have the t34/85. The americans havent receives the Pershing yet.
the M4/76 can 1 shot a tiger in the frontal armor, given you hit the right spot.
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Much rather have StuG III Ausf G. and the M26 Pershing added first.
Or the KV-1 added before both of those. but +1 anyways.
Alright then Pershing, Sturgmechutz III Ausf G Then Ferdinand
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+1
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Doubt that. The americans dont have a hard-hitting tank to compete with the King tiger yet. The brits tech have the firefly. The russians have the t34/85. The americans havent receives the Pershing yet.
EDIT: I think there are other turret-less tanks that would be a better choice to add. If you want the effects of a Ferdi or Ele, then just take a King Tiger or Tiger and not use the turret. Same thing. :D
I'm not so sure the score is about "competing with the King Tiger", but instead filling out the historically important and MA able line up. Also, 2 comments regarding your "vs King Tiger" comment: A: the US never did have anything to compete vs the King Tiger, even the Pershing couldn't come close. Which as a matter of fact, the US 90mm was STILL inferior to the British 17 Pdr and Panther's 75mm. The Pershing offered 102mm of armor up front which could still be defeated *easily* by the King Tiger at 2000 yards. B: The T34/85 was a step behind the M4/76mm in ability to "combat" the King Tiger gun to gun. The 2 things the Soviets had going for them on the Ost Front was first and foremost was the sheer numbers of tanks. The speed of the T34 offered it a chance to run the gauntlet and get a flanking shot on the side or rear armor, but it still had to be too close for comfort. Point being, the Soviets have nothing to compete with the King Tiger in AH.
The 2 best tanks in AH to go head to head with a King Tiger are the Firefly and Panther, preferably the Panther because at least there is a chance to deflect off a shot or 2 before the kill shot comes crashing in.
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read many stories about the t34's ramming the king tigers immobilizing them, then go and shoot the crew. easiest way to kill the tigers and kt.
semp
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read many stories about the t34's ramming the king tigers immobilizing them, then go and shoot the crew. easiest way to kill the tigers and kt.
semp
i know for a fact that T34's were told to ram Tigers at the battle of kursk because the gun couldnt penetrate the armor. mostly to just disable the tanks gun in general and cause a nuisance for the germans.
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I've read stories of, and seen pictures of tank gunners shooting the enemy tanks main gun to get a 'weapons kill' on enemy GV. I mean literally, a hole through the main gun. First read of this tactic by German gunners against Soviet T-34/85 and Stalins. Once they had 'weapon kill' they could move onto next, immediate threat. If I knew how to post pics I would. Amazing mid-and short- range shots.
Boo
221st AR, 11th Cav
(Former life)
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I've read stories of, and seen pictures of tank gunners shooting the enemy tanks main gun to get a 'weapons kill' on enemy GV. I mean literally, a hole through the main gun. First read of this tactic by German gunners against Soviet T-34/85 and Stalins. Once they had 'weapon kill' they could move onto next, immediate threat. If I knew how to post pics I would. Amazing mid-and short- range shots.
Boo
221st AR, 11th Cav
(Former life)
http://photobucket.com/
Go to that website and sign up for it. its free, all you have to do is upload the pic then click on the IMG link then paste it here.
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read many stories about the t34's ramming the king tigers immobilizing them, then go and shoot the crew. easiest way to kill the tigers and kt.
semp
Doesnt the king tiger weigh much much more than a t34? How does ramming something like a king tiger in a little t34 work?
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Doesnt the king tiger weigh much much more than a t34? How does ramming something like a king tiger in a little t34 work?
tell that to the russians as they did it in ww2.
semp
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Doesnt the king tiger weigh much much more than a t34? How does ramming something like a king tiger in a little t34 work?
What? Ramming gvs? Suicide mission.
Well, i hve no information, but the t34 must be around 25-30 tons. The tiger2's armor is about 100mm, imagine a 30 tons gv at 30mph impacting to a 100mm plate... thats a death for everyone. Especially scary since the t34's driver sits in the nose... no chance to survive.
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What? Ramming gvs? Suicide mission.
Well, i hve no information, but the t34 must be around 25-30 tons. The tiger2's armor is about 100mm, imagine a 30 tons gv at 30mph impacting to a 100mm plate... thats a death for everyone. Especially scary since the t34's driver sits in the nose... no chance to survive.
of course the russians were known for not sending people to get killed for no reason.
semp
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Doesnt the king tiger weigh much much more than a t34? How does ramming something like a king tiger in a little t34 work?
Ram a compact car into a Semi Truck head on and the car will disable the truck. Same theory, the smaller lighter T34 would (could) do damages to the KT
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EDIT: I think there are other turret-less tanks that would be a better choice to add. If you want the effects of a Ferdi or Ele, then just take a King Tiger or Tiger and not use the turret. Same thing. :D
I'm not so sure the score is about "competing with the King Tiger", but instead filling out the historically important and MA able line up. Also, 2 comments regarding your "vs King Tiger" comment: A: the US never did have anything to compete vs the King Tiger, even the Pershing couldn't come close. Which as a matter of fact, the US 90mm was STILL inferior to the British 17 Pdr and Panther's 75mm. The Pershing offered 102mm of armor up front which could still be defeated *easily* by the King Tiger at 2000 yards. B: The T34/85 was a step behind the M4/76mm in ability to "combat" the King Tiger gun to gun. The 2 things the Soviets had going for them on the Ost Front was first and foremost was the sheer numbers of tanks. The speed of the T34 offered it a chance to run the gauntlet and get a flanking shot on the side or rear armor, but it still had to be too close for comfort. Point being, the Soviets have nothing to compete with the King Tiger in AH.
The 2 best tanks in AH to go head to head with a King Tiger are the Firefly and Panther, preferably the Panther because at least there is a chance to deflect off a shot or 2 before the kill shot comes crashing in.
Akak posted an interesting story about a duel between a KT and an M-26. I had it bookmarked somewhere
but having trouble locating it. End story, Americans went home.
Aha! Found it...thanks Akie :aok
http://www.3ad.com/history/news/super.pershing.1.htm (http://www.3ad.com/history/news/super.pershing.1.htm)
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Doubt that. The americans dont have a hard-hitting tank to compete with the King tiger yet. The brits tech have the firefly. The russians have the t34/85. The americans havent receives the Pershing yet.
Why do the Americans need a tank to compete with the Tiger? or for the British rather? Historically speaking if the British want a tank to compete with the Tiger they would get the Archer Tank Destroyer, and the Americans would get the M36 Jackson.
Honestly everyone keeps choosing the "late war" tanks when its a huge leap from EW/MW, if we had a MidWar FSO would the Tiger be involved? Yes. Is there any tank available during the Midwar to combat the Tiger? Nope.
What people are failing to realize is, the M26 was unable to penetrate the King Tiger, only the Super Pershing which was a Prototype aimed to add the 90mm Gun in hopes it would be able to match a Tiger. Field modifications were also done by cutting off the front armor plate from a Panther to add to the armor of a Pershing because the KwK43 was just to deadly.
To be honest the Pershing would barely be a match for the Tiger tank, let alone King Tiger.
Its been stated over and over, the Tiger II's front armor was invulnerable to any Allied Tank or Anti Tank gun. The Idea was it was designed to be softer then the Tiger I's armor, which cause it not to become brittle or break after being hit by multiple rounds. In reality after inspecting the German tanks neither Americans/Russians took them seriously after they found they were horribly welded/built. Also the so few numbers built - nobody took an interest in combating the King Tiger.
In retrospect, I don't think anything will be added to Aces High to combat the King tiger, want to destroy one? Grab a bomb or learn to flank him.
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Akak posted an interesting story about a duel between a KT and an M-26. I had it bookmarked somewhere
but having trouble locating it. End story, Americans went home.
Not sure about the King Tiger vs M-26, but I do know an M-26 faced a Tiger I and lost, however you can consider this a draw since the Tiger I became immobile in colapsed building and the crew bailed out, the first shot took out the gunner and loader, not sure what the range is I would probably say under 1,000 yards.
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Why do the Americans need a tank to compete with the Tiger? or for the British rather? Historically speaking if the British want a tank to compete with the Tiger they would get the Archer Tank Destroyer, and the Americans would get the M36 Jackson.
Honestly everyone keeps choosing the "late war" tanks when its a huge leap from EW/MW, if we had a MidWar FSO would the Tiger be involved? Yes. Is there any tank available during the Midwar to combat the Tiger? Nope.
What people are failing to realize is, the M26 was unable to penetrate the King Tiger, only the Super Pershing which was a Prototype aimed to add the 90mm Gun in hopes it would be able to match a Tiger. Field modifications were also done by cutting off the front armor plate from a Panther to add to the armor of a Pershing because the KwK43 was just to deadly.
Because, in Late war, the king tiger has set the bar for each country to meet. the German fans got their heavy tank. The russians have theirs. The brits tech have the firefly. Why not give the Americans their m26? to even out the field a bit.
I largely agree EW should be filled out before LW is every touched again, but im just saying this for WHEN LW is touched again.
And theres reports of Pershings nocking out KT's from 1000yrds. granted, it took one pershing 4 shots to finally nock it out. (First shot was an HVAP, 2 Were AP, then the last was an HE to set it ablaze)
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Tyrannis
fail, again and again.
-Russians have the t34 as a super heavy tank to match the tiger... what? The t34/85 has kickbutt firepower under 1000 yards but even a panzer4 has a more competitive AP round than it. Also thats a real poor tiger driver letting a t34 coming closer than 1000 yards... Ever heard about the IS series? IS-2? Now, that would be an interesting match against the tiger. Also, IS-3 vs Tiger2, even tho the IS-3 was almost post-war.
-Firefly. A decent one indeed, but nothing special. Weak armore, if anyone comes closer than 2k yards, youre about to die, slow, you cant play the "shoot n scoot" game, whats so much fun and effective with the panther. Really, not AS much better than the 76mm sherman.
-Germany. They used many heavy tanks on the frontline, tigers were in service in '42, panthers at Kursk, Tiger2s in '44 summer. Many of them were built and seen action. America needs the 1945 Pershing to compete with the 1942 tiger1? haha! How many pershings seen action? 20?
With the same philosophy, the US side should request for the p80, hell, the germans have their jet too..
Btw i killed a tiger2 in a panzer4f once. Shot his side from 800 yards. Also my tiger2 got killed by a sneeky m18. Those nasty little things are dangerous! Everythings possible.
I agree with Butcher and Jager on this, early-mid war tanks would be great to have. Panzer3 with the 57mm gun, IS-1/2, Hetzer, Stug3, im sure there are a couple american mid-war tanks too to add. They played major roles in the war, i bet many of them would be awsome little perk farmers.
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Tyrannis
fail, again and again.
-Russians have the t34 as a super heavy tank to match the tiger... what? The t34/85 has kickbutt firepower under 1000 yards but even a panzer4 has a more competitive AP round than it. Also thats a real poor tiger driver letting a t34 coming closer than 1000 yards... Ever heard about the IS series? IS-2? Now, that would be an interesting match against the tiger. Also, IS-3 vs Tiger2, even tho the IS-3 was almost post-war.
-Firefly. A decent one indeed, but nothing special. Weak armore, if anyone comes closer than 2k yards, youre about to die, slow, you cant play the "shoot n scoot" game, whats so much fun and effective with the panther. Really, not AS much better than the 76mm sherman.
-Germany. They used many heavy tanks on the frontline, tigers were in service in '42, panthers at Kursk, Tiger2s in '44 summer. Many of them were built and seen action. America needs the 1945 Pershing to compete with the 1942 tiger1? haha! How many pershings seen action? 20?
With the same philosophy, the US side should request for the p80, hell, the germans have their jet too..
Btw i killed a tiger2 in a panzer4f once. Shot his side from 800 yards. Also my tiger2 got killed by a sneeky m18. Those nasty little things are dangerous! Everythings possible.
I agree with Butcher and Jager on this, early-mid war tanks would be great to have. Panzer3 with the 57mm gun, IS-1/2, Hetzer, Stug3, im sure there are a couple american mid-war tanks too to add. They played major roles in the war, i bet many of them would be awsome little perk farmers.
Missed one of the biggest points i was trying to make.
The germans, and russians have a Heavy tank. America does not. America should at least gets its own Heavy tank, since both russia and germany does now.
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Missed one of the biggest points i was trying to make.
The germans, and russians have a Heavy tank. America does not. America should at least gets its own Heavy tank, since both russia and germany does now.
And you missed my points.
Russia's heavy tank isnt in the game.
America's heavy tank seen very, i mean very limited combat. Still, wouldnt be much better than the panther.
Edit: yea, the t34/85 is super ultra heavy compared to a panzer1. But it doesnt matter how many times i tell you something, you will be back with the same sillyness again and again.
The m26 seen very limited combat. Goodmorning.
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And you missed my points.
Russia's heavy tank isnt in the game.
America's heavy tank seen very, i mean very limited combat. Still, wouldnt be much better than the panther.
isent the t34/85 considered "heavy"?
and since when does something not in-game, have to be better than something already in-game, to qualify it to be added? :headscratch:
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Doesnt the king tiger weigh much much more than a t34? How does ramming something like a king tiger in a little t34 work?
Mass x Acceleration = Force ;)
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isent the t34/85 considered "heavy"?
and since when does something not in-game, have to be better than something already in-game, to qualify it to be added? :headscratch:
the russians dont have ANY heavy tanks in game right now.
T34-85 heavy? thats what we call a medium tank.
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Missed one of the biggest points i was trying to make.
The germans, and russians have a Heavy tank. America does not. America should at least gets its own Heavy tank, since both russia and germany does now.
Since the Meteor went into voting, I suspect HTC is slacking on the rules that a vehicle needs to be in combat before it gets added to the game.
With this its highly possible down the road, the M-26 will be added, although it will be quite some time in my opinion.
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Since the Meteor went into voting, I suspect HTC is slacking on the rules that a vehicle needs to be in combat before it gets added to the game.
With this its highly possible down the road, the M-26 will be added, although it will be quite some time in my opinion.
20 pershings saw combat. One was even nocked out by a KT.
So, whats your point?
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20 pershings saw combat. One was even nocked out by a KT.
So, whats your point?
So because 20 pershings were in combat, they deserve to be added before dozens of others? what about tanks deserving to be on the list?
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I want worthless french tanks with less armor than an M8, slower than a king tiger, and worse guns than the Panzer H! How 'bout it?
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I want worthless french tanks with less armor than an M8, slower than a king tiger, and worse guns than the Panzer H! How 'bout it?
Why not, the french Char B1 deserves a role in Aces high at some point, but question is will Aces High get deep enough filling the gaps to add it?
Would be nice to see a Panzer-38t and Char B1, eventually...in the future.... before space ships are born.
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stug3
Is2 ( to compete with all german tanks 122 mm gun)
KV-1
Hetzer
88mm FLAK 38 for dual purpose on airfields.
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stug3
Is2 ( to compete with all german tanks 122 mm gun)
KV-1
Hetzer
88mm FLAK 38 for dual purpose on airfields.
agreed, if we have the 17lber why not an 8.8cm?
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Ferdinand would probably be added well before the M26, problem is we don't need any more late war heavy tanks, EW and Midwar are suffering horribly.
Its a Tank Destroyer
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the russians dont have ANY heavy tanks in game right now.
T34-85 heavy? thats what we call a medium tank.
Any Kliment Voroshovs(KV's) Or Iosif Stalins(IS's)?
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So because 20 pershings were in combat, they deserve to be added before dozens of others? what about tanks deserving to be on the list?
Only 43 ta-152's saw combat, yet that plane has been put in before the ki-44,43,beau,m410,and many other aircraft who hold a higher historical purpose have been added.
so sure, the pershing deserves to be put in before all others.
On a serious note: Ive already said that EW should be the priority right now, and be filled out before LW is even touched again. But when LW Gv's are being created again, the Pershing should be top on the list.
Unless HTC is not wanting to concentrate on TD's, with the introduction of the m18.
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Only 43 ta-152's saw combat, yet that plane has been put in before the ki-44,43,beau,m410,and many other aircraft who hold a higher historical purpose have been added.
so sure, the pershing deserves to be put in before all others.
On a serious note: Ive already said that EW should be the priority right now, and be filled out before LW is even touched again. But when LW Gv's are being created again, the Pershing should be top on the list.
Unless HTC is not wanting to concentrate on TD's, with the introduction of the m18.
Perhaps, I can't think of to many Late War tanks that would be at the top of the list, besides IS-2 and Pershing, perhaps a tank destroyer or two from Germany. Doubtful the Archillies will be added due to the Firefly we have already, although you never know.
In all honesty, I'd much rather see the IS-2 added, even perhaps an IS-1 (yes I know the background on the IS-1 and why it wont be added, however we did get to vote on the meteor so why not) my idea is simple - ones heavily perked, ones not.
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Any Kliment Voroshovs(KV's) Or Iosif Stalins(IS's)?
We have none in game i said.
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Well people, the main argument against the Pershing is as follows: define squadron strength for GV's.
Do you count a Fighter Group as the same as a Panzer Division? A squadron? Who's standard Division strength do you go by? Do you use each contry's for their own additions?
You have to answer all those questions before you can answer the question "did the Pershing see action in 'squadron' strenght?"
As for the Ferdinand: +1. Would have tons of weaknesses, but would be damn near invincible from the front. We'd have only 1 gun in the entire game capable of engaging it frontally.
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Well people, the main argument against the Pershing is as follows: define squadron strength for GV's.
Do you count a Fighter Group as the same as a Panzer Division? A squadron? Who's standard Division strength do you go by? Do you use each contry's for their own additions?
You have to answer all those questions before you can answer the question "did the Pershing see action in 'squadron' strenght?"
As for the Ferdinand: +1. Would have tons of weaknesses, but would be damn near invincible from the front. We'd have only 1 gun in the entire game capable of engaging it frontally.
we have 3. the Tiger-1/2 guns and the Sherman VC Firefly's gun could penetrate the frontal armor.
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Its 200mm thick dude. The Firefly's gun only penetrates 172mm at 0 yds. The Tiger I's gun only penetrates 156mm at 0 yds.
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Its 200mm thick dude. The Firefly's gun only penetrates 172mm at 0 yds. The Tiger I's gun only penetrates 156mm at 0 yds.
i thought the Tiger1/2 guns were the same 88mm?
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NOOOOooooo! The Tiger I mounts the 88mm KwK 36 L'56, which is a direct development of the 88mm FlaK 36.
The Tiger II, Nashorn, Jagdpanther, and Ferdinand mounted the much more powerfull 88 KwK 43 L'71, firing a longer cartridge with increased propellent charge, out of a much longer barrel, significantly increasing the muzzle velocity and accuracy of the gun.
The 88 L'71 was able to pentrate around 250mm of armor at 0yds, compared to the 88 L'56s 156mm.
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Well people, the main argument against the Pershing is as follows: define squadron strength for GV's.
Do you count a Fighter Group as the same as a Panzer Division? A squadron? Who's standard Division strength do you go by? Do you use each contry's for their own additions?
You have to answer all those questions before you can answer the question "did the Pershing see action in 'squadron' strenght?"
As for the Ferdinand: +1. Would have tons of weaknesses, but would be damn near invincible from the front. We'd have only 1 gun in the entire game capable of engaging it frontally.
Problem is there's going to be a perk value on that, instead of having something useful - it will end up a B-29. Everyone voted on it, but when the reality strikes that the "perk value" - squeakers just got to scared to fly it, unless they climbed above 35k to use it.
I Rarely see Tiger 2's off concrete, adding another concrete wonder does the game no good. The M18 gets plenty of action, rarely once a tour do you see a King Tiger ever attack a base, or ever leave concrete.
Ferdinand in which its mobility is absolutely a joke, so leaving a base would never happen as its to vulnerabile and would be outrageous in perk value.
How high in a Perk Value? I would guess slightly smaller then a King Tiger now, based on gun performance and armor that cannot be penetrated.
Adding something like the Jadgpanzer IV/70 would be a lower cut perk option, with the same gun the Panther uses and a smaller silhouette then the Ferdinand, the difference would be it would probably cheaper then the Panther (5-10 perks), basically a M-18 without the speed and a monster gun and small silhouette.
Difference between M18 and JP IV/70 is the JP is armored and would not be damaged by aircraft guns. Basically you are trading lack of speed for armor and a gun. Where the M18 is highly mobile tank hunter, the JP is a Tank Ambusher.
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He-162s seen combat too... i want them!
One do-335 chased down a tempest on the deck, i want it!
Meteors were killing 50 flying Bombs, i want them!
This kind of logic is a fail.
Thats why i dont request for the 44M Tas, what had the panthers gun and 120mm sloped frontal armor. One was completed:
(http://worldwar2.lapunk.hu/tarhely/worldwar2/kepek/tengtank/44m_tas.jpg)
There are many awsome choices, i hope some of them are under developement:
-Jagdpanzer 4: 80mm sloped frontal armor, the panthers gun, very low profile, been used in large numbers. Could be a kick butt little perked gv.
-IS-2: 120mm sloped frontal armor, 90mm of side armor (!), even the bottom had 60mm sloped armor (!), a 122mm monster gun, many were built, seen combat many times, even against tiger2s. Disadvantages: very slow reload rate (40 secs), only 28 rounds on board. Would need a massive support group (m3 supply, supporting medium tanks), but imo it has place in the game.
-Szu-100: jagd-t34, low profile, had a very good 100mm cannon, but only 45mm of armor. True, the t34 has only 47mm too... Would be a good ambusher, half-way between the m18 and the t34/85.
-Hetzer: a small little ambusher, 60mm frontal armor, sloped with a better angle than the sherman, very low profile, had the panzer4's gun. Wouldnt be perked.
-Stug3: slightly worse armor than the hetzer, with the same gun.
-PanzerIII J: 50mm frontal armor, 50mm kwk39 L/60 cannon. Weak, little firepower, but still capable in close combat and ambushes.
-KV-1: well armored (70mm on turret sides and turret front, 90mm gun mantlet, 75mm sloped frontal armor, but only the t34/76's weak cannon, also slow moving.
Some late war monsters what could meet the criteria:
-Jagdpanther. 80mm sloped frontal armor, the tiger2's monster cannon. Invincible in a frontal attack, but vulnerable on the sides.
-Jagdtiger: very heavily armored, armed with a 128mm pak44/L55 cannon. Now this could destroy a tiger2! From 1000 meters it could penetrate 143mms of armor at the impact angle of 30 degrees. (!) The couple were delivered to the front seen very heavy combat, destroyed hundreds of alied GVs.
The very large majority of the tank battles were between the SU and Germany. Its a fact. Thats why it would be ideal to have many german and soviet tanks.
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it doesent matter how much armor you have, a well placed egg will still send you to the tower :ahand
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He-162s seen combat too... i want them!
One do-335 chased down a tempest on the deck, i want it!
Meteors were killing 50 flying Bombs, i want them!
This kind of logic is a fail.
Thats why i dont request for the 44M Tas, what had the panthers gun and 120mm sloped frontal armor. One was completed:
(http://worldwar2.lapunk.hu/tarhely/worldwar2/kepek/tengtank/44m_tas.jpg)
-PanzerIII J: 50mm frontal armor, 50mm kwk39 L/60 cannon. Weak, little firepower, but still capable in close combat and ambushes.
If they Add The Panzer Mark III Special(PzKpfw III Ausf J) Add the Crusader medium cruiser tank and the Valentine tank both with 2pdr Cannon(40mm) So it can actually compete
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We have none in game i said.
Im asking for it!
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And theres reports of Pershings nocking out KT's from 1000yrds. granted, it took one pershing 4 shots to finally nock it out. (First shot was an HVAP, 2 Were AP, then the last was an HE to set it ablaze)
Please either cite or post the reports of a Pershing scoring a kill at a thousand yards or more on a German tank/vehicle.
ack-ack
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One do-335 chased down a tempest on the deck, i want it!
A Do 335 never chased down a Tempest.
ack-ack
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A Do 335 never chased down a Tempest.
ack-ack
whats the reason you had to post it? Does it makes any difference in my point?
edit: kukac
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whats the reason you had to post it? Does it makes any difference in my point?
correcting an error. don't get your panties all wadded into a bunch, it can lead to chafing.
ack-ack
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Ferdi would be pointless to add. End of story.
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With the near-guaranteed death to bombs unless you're opperating under the cover of a horde that could disable the base faster than you yourself could drive halfway, yeah, all high-perk tanks are going to be concrete sitters.
Untill we get heavy FlaK cannons with puffy shells, odds are high perk tanks will almost never be used offensivly, since theres either highly dangerous 17lbers on base (to panther, Tiger I, and all tanks less armor than the Tiger II), or the near-certianty of aircraft making the kill, even if theres another King Tiger or Ferdinand to fight you.
Fact of life is: uncontroled interference by A/C = camp.
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A Do 335 never chased down a Tempest.
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I Do know a Tempest tried to chase down a Do-335 which he opened throttle and took off, was a book written by one of the aces, Do 335 however, not sure if they seen combat, I do know mainly prototypes were built.
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I Do know a Tempest tried to chase down a Do-335 which he opened throttle and took off, was a book written by one of the aces, Do 335 however, not sure if they seen combat, I do know mainly prototypes were built.
Yep, you are correct. A flight of Tempest led by a French ace spotted one flying tree top level and they dove to engage but the D0 335 left in the dust as it ran off. The Tempests did the chasing, not the Do 335 like was previously claimed. It would have been interesting to find out what would have happened if the Do 335 decided to stick around and fight.
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Yep, you are correct. A flight of Tempest led by a French ace spotted one flying tree top level and they dove to engage but the D0 335 left in the dust as it ran off. The Tempests did the chasing, not the Do 335 like was previously claimed. It would have been interesting to find out what would have happened if the Do 335 decided to stick around and fight.
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I believe if I remember correctly it was a Prototype and unarmed, however did his claim ever get verified? Apparently it was written in his book and his debriefing suggested it to be a "Do-335" however the test pilot of the 335's claim it was never under attack by any Tempests for that matter.
I remember researching it a few years back and drew a blank, one "theory" was do-335's were being tested around a Dornier Plant, after claims of a secret german aircraft that could outrun allied planes, which swiftly caused allies to advance and try to capture the Dornier Plant, which I believe this to be a myth, I do recall something like 15 Do-335s were completed, plus you figure a few prototypes.
Would be quite interesting to see how it handled in game, sadly not being in any kind of squadron strength would severely punish it.