Ferdinand

[Butcher]

20 pershings saw combat. One was even nocked out by a KT.
So, whats your point?

So because 20 pershings were in combat, they deserve to be added before dozens of others? what about tanks deserving to be on the list?

[wil3ur]

I want worthless french tanks with less armor than an M8, slower than a king tiger, and worse guns than the Panzer H!  How 'bout it?

[Butcher]

I want worthless french tanks with less armor than an M8, slower than a king tiger, and worse guns than the Panzer H!  How 'bout it?

Why not, the french Char B1 deserves a role in Aces high at some point, but question is will Aces High get deep enough filling the gaps to add it?

Would be nice to see a Panzer-38t and Char B1, eventually...in the future.... before space ships are born.

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stug3
Is2 ( to compete with all german tanks 122 mm gun)
KV-1
Hetzer


88mm FLAK 38 for dual purpose on airfields.

[Butcher]

stug3
Is2 ( to compete with all german tanks 122 mm gun)
KV-1
Hetzer


88mm FLAK 38 for dual purpose on airfields.

agreed, if we have the 17lber why not an 8.8cm?

[1Nicolas]

Ferdinand would probably be added well before the M26, problem is we don't need any more late war heavy tanks, EW and Midwar are suffering horribly.

Its a Tank Destroyer

[1Nicolas]

the russians dont have ANY heavy tanks in game right now.

T34-85 heavy? thats what we call a medium tank.

Any Kliment Voroshovs(KV's) Or Iosif Stalins(IS's)?

[Tyrannis]

So because 20 pershings were in combat, they deserve to be added before dozens of others? what about tanks deserving to be on the list?

Only 43 ta-152's saw combat, yet that plane has been put in before the ki-44,43,beau,m410,and many other aircraft who hold a higher historical purpose have been added.
so sure, the pershing deserves to be put in before all others.

On a serious note: Ive already said that EW should be the priority right now, and be filled out before LW is even touched again. But when LW Gv's are being created again, the Pershing should be top on the list.

Unless HTC is not wanting to concentrate on TD's, with the introduction of the m18.

[Butcher]

Only 43 ta-152's saw combat, yet that plane has been put in before the ki-44,43,beau,m410,and many other aircraft who hold a higher historical purpose have been added.
so sure, the pershing deserves to be put in before all others.

On a serious note: Ive already said that EW should be the priority right now, and be filled out before LW is even touched again. But when LW Gv's are being created again, the Pershing should be top on the list.

Unless HTC is not wanting to concentrate on TD's, with the introduction of the m18.

Perhaps, I can't think of to many Late War tanks that would be at the top of the list, besides IS-2 and Pershing, perhaps a tank destroyer or two from Germany. Doubtful the Archillies will be added due to the Firefly we have already, although you never know.

In all honesty, I'd much rather see the IS-2 added, even perhaps an IS-1 (yes I know the background on the IS-1 and why it wont be added, however we did get to vote on the meteor so why not) my idea is simple - ones heavily perked, ones not.

[skorpion]

Any Kliment Voroshovs(KV's) Or Iosif Stalins(IS's)?

We have none in game i said.

[Tank-Ace]

Well people, the main argument against the Pershing is as follows: define squadron strength for GV's.

Do you count a Fighter Group as the same as a Panzer Division? A squadron? Who's standard Division strength do you go by? Do you use each contry's for their own additions?


You have to answer all those questions before you can answer the question "did the Pershing see action in 'squadron' strenght?"



As for the Ferdinand: +1. Would have tons of weaknesses, but would be damn near invincible from the front. We'd have only 1 gun in the entire game capable of engaging it frontally.

[skorpion]

Well people, the main argument against the Pershing is as follows: define squadron strength for GV's.

Do you count a Fighter Group as the same as a Panzer Division? A squadron? Who's standard Division strength do you go by? Do you use each contry's for their own additions?


You have to answer all those questions before you can answer the question "did the Pershing see action in 'squadron' strenght?"



As for the Ferdinand: +1. Would have tons of weaknesses, but would be damn near invincible from the front. We'd have only 1 gun in the entire game capable of engaging it frontally.

we have 3. the Tiger-1/2 guns and the Sherman VC Firefly's gun could penetrate the frontal armor.

[Tank-Ace]

Its 200mm thick dude. The Firefly's gun only penetrates 172mm at 0 yds. The Tiger I's gun only penetrates 156mm at 0 yds.

[skorpion]

Its 200mm thick dude. The Firefly's gun only penetrates 172mm at 0 yds. The Tiger I's gun only penetrates 156mm at 0 yds.

i thought the Tiger1/2 guns were the same 88mm?

[Tank-Ace]

NOOOOooooo! The Tiger I mounts the 88mm KwK 36 L'56, which is a direct development of the 88mm FlaK 36.

The Tiger II, Nashorn, Jagdpanther, and Ferdinand mounted the much more powerfull 88 KwK 43 L'71, firing a longer cartridge with increased propellent charge, out of a much longer barrel, significantly increasing the muzzle velocity and accuracy of the gun.

The 88 L'71 was able to pentrate around 250mm of armor at 0yds, compared to the 88 L'56s 156mm.