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Title: Puffy ack
Post by: pervert on November 27, 2011, 10:20:19 AM
In Aces High a huge proportion of your time is spent doing pointless things, I don't wanna fly transit 10-15 minutes to a fight to have my wing blown off by the second burst of AI puffy ack even though I'm at 400+ mph yet theres always something with this game be it puffy, pilot wound, radiator hit etc etc that means you don't get to the good part of this game often enough.

I remember Hitech arguing with someone once in the forums about realism something about a supercharger manual switchover and the reasoning he gave why he didn't include it in the game was it wouldn't be fun, well flying 15 minutes to a fight and getting constantly insta-pwned by AI puffy without ever seeing a human opponent isn't fun eithier its a waste of a player's time and long term his patience with the game.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: The Fugitive on November 27, 2011, 10:30:12 AM
I think I've been taken down by puffy ack once in the last 100 hours of time in game. I don't see what the big problem is.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: chaser on November 27, 2011, 10:36:42 AM
Puffy ack blows me out of the sky everytime I go near it usually on the first or second burst. Another reason I rarely fly.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: Tyrannis on November 27, 2011, 10:37:49 AM
I think I've been taken down by puffy ack once in the last 100 hours of time in game. I don't see what the big problem is.
Ive had a 262 killed by the first burst of flak in my area 2-3 months ago.
Was rtb'ing to a base which happened to have a knit cv hiding off shore, First flak shot got my engine. Dove down trying to get to the field. Then get killed by another puffy ack shot.this was 2 weeks ago
During the summer, I had an entire b17 formation taken out by a flak shot. herd the flak burst, then instant tower. that's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: caldera on November 27, 2011, 10:40:18 AM
Experienced the clairvoyant accuracy of auto-puffy twice yesterday:

-First time was attacking low Lancs bombing our port.  The very first (no, it's no exaggeration) puff lit my undamaged plane on fire (has happened before - Jug lights up awfully easy compared to the stories of real ones surviving incredible damage.  But that's a different topic) and the Lanc got the kill - despite not landing a single ping on me.  :bhead
-Another sortie, my 109 went insta-kaboom from a single puffy hit, despite being far away from the CV.  No kill credit was awarded.  :bhead




Slow and low bombers just come lumbering in, straight and level.  Much more often than not, they deep 6 the carrier and get away clean.  :rolleyes:

There are very few things wrong with the game from a design standpoint, but the AI puffy is probably the worst.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: matt on November 27, 2011, 10:59:27 AM
7 out of 10 times pilot wounded or instant towered anytime im near a cv  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: wil3ur on November 27, 2011, 11:11:36 AM
I avoid CV's like the plague with a perkie plane because of the Puffy model.  Also, after killing people, I tend to leave the CV area because everyone gets butthurt and jumps in a 5" if they get shot down.  Within minutes, a good CV fight is nothing but dweebs sitting on 5"s ruining the fight, then THEY complain when a bomber comes in and sinks their CV... like they were actually doing anything worthwhile to defend it.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: DrJackyI on November 27, 2011, 11:12:30 AM
thats why u see ppl circling above their cv's at 16K waiting to vulch low incomming bombers    "OR"  

thats why u see ppl always running to cv ack even in 1 on 1 sit reps, BEFORE u even make first merge pass.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: grizz441 on November 27, 2011, 11:41:06 AM
I think I've been taken down by puffy ack once in the last 100 hours of time in game. I don't see what the big problem is.

Taken down is only a little worse than a radiator leak or an oil leak, which happens all the time.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: Sunka on November 27, 2011, 11:54:54 AM
Lots of threads on this,i don't expect anything is going to change though,it took how many years of players complaining about split arenas before anything was done. What i learned from the time i have been playing is stay away from it at all cost,i to hate being killed by AI ,its not why i play this Sim.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: LCADolby on November 27, 2011, 12:47:46 PM
I hate it when your happily flying flat and level, your out of reach of anyone. AND BANG, you look around nothing and then tonnes of puffy goes off.
Super accurate first shot puffy takes your oil or radiator and your left feeling sorry for yourself that you can't possibly be that unlucky.

I was flying a G14 in and around 10miles of a CV not so long ago, and I got hit by puffy, while furballing, 3 times in quick succession.
It went like this, Bang - Radiator... Bong - oil... Bang wing tip. Flip over, crash, tower, Explicit language ensues.

 :bhead
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: guncrasher on November 27, 2011, 01:50:55 PM
I love it best when some dweeb thinks he can rope you and as you climb within 200 yards of him and at 3001 alt and are about to pull the trigger, puff you are gone.


semp
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: titanic3 on November 27, 2011, 03:03:31 PM
Lol, just witnessed a enemy con lit on fire by his own puffy ack. Him and I were dogfighting, doing a few loops when all of a sudden, I look around and see a trail of flames. Puffy ack is a terrible thing in this game, remove it already.  :bhead
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: uptown on November 27, 2011, 03:26:26 PM
A lot of times the AI puffy ack will give away the enemy's CV position. I killed 3 this weekend by just accidentally stumbling upon them. That's about the only thing I like about the stuff.  :D
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: Debrody on November 27, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
Weird thing is:
when theres a set of buffs coming at 7k to drop the cv, in most cases he survives (unless the manned puffy gets him). As an opposition, when a single fighter, let it be slow, fast, flying straight or maneuvering, is much likely to being hit, in many cases by the first pop as it climbs above 3k. Example: when i saved a cv from a set of 24s coming at 12k, right when i removed the last ones right wing, the own puffy liten up my 262. Or, seen a heavy f4u coming at 3.5k, was wepping my 109 to catch him in a shallow climb, he dropped ords and turned back to merge with me. Right at the moment of the merge, i broke the 3k boarder, that pufy got us both: he instantly died, i lost my left wing. In both cases, it was like "wtf *******************" haha  : D

Seriously, i dont think its good this way.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: Daddkev on November 27, 2011, 04:12:40 PM
 :rofl I love the Puffy...! Getting 5 or more pms.....Priceless!!!!! :rock
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: AWwrgwy on November 27, 2011, 04:51:29 PM
I'm in the "almost never killed or damaged by AI puffy ack" category.

Seems it's almost 99% manned puffy that gets me.

This reminds me of all the "HO-collision/I get killed, he flies away" threads.

You are getting shot down by a person.



wrongway
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: Debrody on November 27, 2011, 04:59:08 PM
You are getting shot down by a person.
If it would be true, he would get a kill and i would get a "you have been killed by a manawar" message. Also no manawar can shoot you down from 5-6-7 miles away.
Anyway, if you dont get killed, good for you, have good luck!
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Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: grizz441 on November 27, 2011, 05:12:35 PM
I don't get shot dead out of the sky often by the puffy ack, but semi regularly I get oil leaked, rad leaked, or brainz leaked, all of which are almost as bad, as I usually just bail out because my sortie is fubar'd.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: pervert on November 27, 2011, 06:01:34 PM
I don't get shot dead out of the sky often by the puffy ack, but semi regularly I get oil leaked, rad leaked, or brainz leaked, all of which are almost as bad, as I usually just bail out because my sortie is fubar'd.

Rad leaks depends what plane your in for example its a fact that around 8 out of 10 of my deaths are caused by a radiator hit in the 190d-9. It may as well just kill you and save the irritation your dead anyway, you have around 2 minutes before your engine quits. Go fly a P51-D for a while a radiator hit is a very rare event same with the tempest despite having more prominent radiators, you can sail through ack especially in the P51-D all day long if you wish your more likely to get an oil hit than a rad hit.

:rofl I love the Puffy...! Getting 5 or more pms.....Priceless!!!!! :rock

Good for you, this isn't where I have been killed by 5 inch gun sadly.


Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: wil3ur on November 27, 2011, 06:08:26 PM
Rad leaks depends what plane your in for example its a fact that around 8 out of 10 of my deaths are caused by a radiator hit in the 190d-9. It may as well just kill you and save the irritation your dead anyway, you have around 2 minutes before your engine quits.

I have fun milking the radiator home, and the Dora is particularly good at it.  You have about 2 minutes (like you said) to get out of the engagement and haul balls towards your landing pad.  Watch your heat...  as it approaches redline and quits, turn your engine off and hit your minus key on the numeric keypad (hold it down).  You'll then start gliding very nicely, your temperature will start falling, and your engine still works.  Keep in a 1500 fpm dive, and cycle engine back on for occasional boosts, and you're golden.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: Butcher on November 27, 2011, 06:21:28 PM
I have to whine here, why is it when I fly through puffy ack in a 262 at 22k - 1 puff sets me on fire (while doing 550mph) however everyone else flies through it without any problems at all, the game is broken, squeak/whine/complain.

I blew through more fighter perks because of puffy ack then most spend in a tour, sure I would think it could be "improved" or fixed, but
why whine about it? Go sink the carrier.

I stopped giving a darn about flipping on hills/trees - i dont even bother asking for supplies unless its an emergency (Tiger 2 etc).

Just think - begging for 30 minutes for supplies, rather then ditch and lose 10 perks, to come back and gain 20 more in 20 minutes, seems fair.
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: pervert on November 27, 2011, 06:28:52 PM
I have fun milking the radiator home, and the Dora is particularly good at it.  You have about 2 minutes (like you said) to get out of the engagement and haul balls towards your landing pad.  Watch your heat...  as it approaches redline and quits, turn your engine off and hit your minus key on the numeric keypad (hold it down).  You'll then start gliding very nicely, your temperature will start falling, and your engine still works.  Keep in a 1500 fpm dive, and cycle engine back on for occasional boosts, and you're golden.

I don't have fun doing this although I know how, cannot do the revs now bcause I play on laptop, the problem is the the small hoarde of sprayers catch up to me when I turn my engine off  :D

When you factor in things like pilot wounds, rad hits, oil hits and puffy ack the sensible thing to do would be avoid combat but thats the whole point of the game isn't it?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: TheDudeDVant on November 28, 2011, 12:52:28 PM
I think I've been taken down by puffy ack once in the last 100 hours of time in game. I don't see what the big problem is.


Do you fly this game or always in gvs?

Which htc hall of justice are you again?  8)
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: caldera on November 30, 2011, 10:23:51 PM
Was keeping far out from an incoming CV, remaining under 3k.  Along comes someone looking for a fight and I get a puffy ack pilot wound 9 seconds after breaking the 3k barrier.  Actually got hit at 2.8k.  Conveniently blacking out just as fast, contributing to my quick demise.  No gunners were listed in the film viewer and I was about 6.0k or more from the CV.  Short film posted explains everything you need to know about puffy ack.


http://www.mediafire.com/?7xg3td9asku933u   (1:57)


Please no critiques on my merging or anything else of that nature.  I know it's not exactly uber.  :o
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: TheDudeDVant on December 01, 2011, 02:03:40 PM
Was keeping far out from an incoming CV, remaining under 3k.  Along comes someone looking for a fight and I get a puffy ack pilot wound 9 seconds after breaking the 3k barrier.  Actually got hit at 2.8k.  Conveniently blacking out just as fast, contributing to my quick demise.  No gunners were listed in the film viewer and I was about 6.0k or more from the CV.  Short film posted explains everything you need to know about puffy ack.


http://www.mediafire.com/?7xg3td9asku933u   (1:57)


Please no critiques on my merging or anything else of that nature.  I know it's not exactly uber.  :o

Your merge was all wrong... You broke 3k with a known threat out.....  Ahhh, sorry. I had to. lol
Title: Re: Puffy ack
Post by: Nathan60 on December 01, 2011, 02:58:57 PM
I think I've been taken down by puffy ack once in the last 100 hours of time in game. I don't see what the big problem is.

I haven't been taken down much at all on my way to sink a cv that  people  are  furballing  from.