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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Pigslilspaz on December 02, 2011, 10:32:35 PM
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Very very good, and also informative, entertaining as well. Sort have suspected this myself for a bit. Also makes me happy I'm choosing to join the military after I graduate as well. However, it is a bit on the long side (1 hour+)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VpZtX32sKVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VpZtX32sKVE)
Hopefully this isn't breaking any rules, since all it is doing for the most part is stating facts.
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Not sure if this would be "IN"?
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I know while I was in college, I had a prof that wrote some books, we had to have said books and we ended up never using them. Back then I did not agree with acing to take electives to fill a hours quote and I still don't.
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How about watching the video first. Also, it's all about the PAC12 (Beavers fan here)
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(Beavers fan here)
Aren't we all, aren't we al
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Very very good, and also informative. Sort have suspected this myself for a bit. Also makes me happy I'm choosing to join the military after I graduate as well. However, it is a bit on the long side (1 hour+)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VpZtX32sKVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VpZtX32sKVE)
Is 1 hour really worth watching or can I skim though it?
BTW so far I completely agree with the 1st 3 minutes.
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There is a good amount of repeating of stuff, but almost everything in it is a point worth acknowledging. Skimming through is still beneficial. I wish I could get my hands on the source list for their research though, always good to have supplemental reading, especially since it is directly pertaining to what I am doing right now.
Also, all the stuff involving college is in and around the first 30-35 minutes. The rest is basically stuff that the group (NIA) constantly says
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Lets see, I...
- went to college
- Graduated with a Job already lined up
- Started off making above the average salary for the United States
I am satisfied with my decision.
Pretty biased "documentary" leaving out lots of information. But what do I know? I only look statistics and surveys every day and can tell when something is misleading.
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Lets see, I...
- went to college
- Graduated with a Job already lined up
- Started off making above the average salary for the United States
I am satisfied with my decision.
Pretty biased "documentary" leaving out lots of information. But what do I know? I only look statistics and surveys every day and can tell when something is misleading.
What is considered to be an average salary?
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What is considered to be an average salary?
By this I am assuming you mean what is the national average?
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html
"Latest index
The national average wage index for 2010 is 41,673.83. The index is 2.36 percent higher than the index for 2009."
You can look at several factors as with any statistic. Cost of living adjustments, benefit adjustments, etc.
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http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html
"Latest index
The national average wage index for 2010 is 41,673.83. The index is 2.36 percent higher than the index for 2009."
You can look at several factors as with any statistic. Cost of living adjustments, benefit adjustments, etc.
I expect it to be a bit higher, in the 45K range.
Interesting chart, it really shows the inflation for the past 50 years.
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I expect it to be a bit higher, in the 45K range.
Interesting chart, it really shows the inflation for the past 50 years.
There are cost of living adjustments which are typically done by state or region. For Arizona it could very well be 45k, where as Alabama it may be 35k.
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Whether or not that higher learning institutions are in it for profit, the fact remains that society now demands a higher education. While some people (in this video) don't believe that, go onto any corporate website and look at job requirements...you will find that nearly all jobs that make over $30,000 require at least an associates degree or higher.
When you go to Stanford or Oxford to earn your teaching degree you are almost guaranteeing that you will be in debt for life. It is not the fact that going to college is a debt making ordeal, you HAVE to look at what you want to study, where the most cost effective school for it is, and how much you can realistically expect to make in that job field. If you spend $100,000 on a teaching degree or learning how to be a pilot, we all know that those are low income jobs (starting pilots), you are basically taking a gamble that you will never be able to pay that off.
I had a similar situation a year ago, I just graduated from a community college with associates in business admin. I wanted to go to Embry-Riddle at Daytona Beach to be an ATC, the cost for 2 years of that was around $110,000 which is a lot of money. However if you look at the pay grades for ATC you can see how that is more of an investment than a gamble. Well of course I found out that I can not pass the eye color vision exam from the FAA I had to give up on that dream, seeing as paying $100,000 for any other degree was more of a gamble than an investment.
I found out that Embry-Riddle had a world wide campus here in Houston and that is only cost 1/4 the price of the main Campus in Daytona Beach. The same degree program that would cost $100,000 only costs $25,000 at the world wide campus...the SAME degree program. So now I have one more year left at Riddle with a BS in Professional Aeronautics with a Minor in Airport Management and Operations. But that is not all, I knew Houston is one of the best cities in the country for jobs...just a month ago I got hired into a company called Universal Weather and Aviation as a full time employee in the Airport Data Management department. Now a month later I am already being trained for another position for Permits and Regulations.
The moral of MY story is that you CANNOT just go off to college, you have to be smart in what you want to study, realistic outlooks in the career field of your study, most cost effective school for your career and study, and strategically geographically positioning yourself for the best opportunity for success.
I am NOT lucky that I have a career in the field I want, while still in school at the age of 21, I worked DAMN hard to get where I am...going to school full time YEAR ROUND with a job as a cashier...no winter or summer breaks...personally dropping off my resumes to over 15 aviation companies in Houston and going to all the interviews...I worked hard to get where I am at and this is what my hard work as shown for it. College DOES NOT guarantee any job, all it does is make sure the company takes a look at your resume...your work ethics and experience will get you the job...not college. But as I stated, College is now a requirement for any high paying position...it will not get you the job but it will get you in the door...the rest is on YOU.
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any chance you cold break it down a bit? cant be bothered to watch a whole hour of youtube ...
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I'm in college and enjoying it immensely; there is also no way I would be able to go into any of the fields I'm interested in without a good education.
College isn't an insta-win button, it all depends on what job you want and whether you're smart in the way you seek it.
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one of the major advantages of college which doesnt get mentioned much is networking. that alone is worth a small fortune over your career, provides lots of options as you party with a diverse bunch of people going into different fields. this becomes very useful later :aok
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Military service is nice to have on a resume, but ask all the Veterans coming home from overseas, and you will find that many of them are going back to school because employers dont want anyone without a college degree....even if you have military experience. It is a simple fact of life these days...You need a college degree to land a good job. Someone with military experience AND a college degree is very hire-able. So maybe after you are done with your service, you will decide to go back to school?? Dont totally write off college because someone made a half assed "documentary". Even if you agree with everything that video says, you cant escape the fact that most employers will throw your resume away if you dont have a degree.
I realize many of you didn't go to college, but still did great in your life. That is a MUCH harder thing to do nowadays for young people without an extensive resume and experience.
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Military service is nice to have on a resume, but ask all the Veterans coming home from overseas, and you will find that many of them are going back to school because employers dont want anyone without a college degree....even if you have military experience. It is a simple fact of life these days...You need a college degree to land a good job. Someone with military experience AND a college degree is very hire-able. So maybe after you are done with your service, you will decide to go back to school?? Dont totally write off college because someone made a half assed "documentary". Even if you agree with everything that video says, you cant escape the fact that most employers will throw your resume away if you dont have a degree.
I realize many of you didn't go to college, but still did great in your life. That is a MUCH harder thing to do nowadays for young people without an extensive resume and experience.
I would agree with this statement... half of my classmates at Embry-Riddle are military and I will tell you first hand that this statement above is true. They are going back to school because employers look for a degree.....period.
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Military service is nice to have on a resume, but ask all the Veterans coming home from overseas, and you will find that many of them are going back to school because employers dont want anyone without a college degree....even if you have military experience. It is a simple fact of life these days...You need a college degree to land a good job. Someone with military experience AND a college degree is very hire-able. So maybe after you are done with your service, you will decide to go back to school?? Dont totally write off college because someone made a half assed "documentary". Even if you agree with everything that video says, you cant escape the fact that most employers will throw your resume away if you dont have a degree.
I realize many of you didn't go to college, but still did great in your life. That is a MUCH harder thing to do nowadays for young people without an extensive resume and experience.
Honestly, I was planning on going back to school after a career in the AF. Always been my goal to have a degree in History after I get my degree in Aerospace engineering. I honestly won't stop school until I get at LEAST 1 PhD.
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Higher Ed is the next policy bubble. College is great though higher ed has become just another special interest group. Over promised, over priced.
Boo
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I agree to some parts of this and waiting for the college bubble burst. However, there are some parts that are subjective to a fine line and other parts that is nothing more than fallacies. All this video is doing is painting an ugly pitcher about going to college, you will be in dept for the rest of your life, not get a job and the chines are getting the education and a job right away.
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By this I am assuming you mean what is the national average?
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html
"Latest index
The national average wage index for 2010 is 41,673.83. The index is 2.36 percent higher than the index for 2009."
You can look at several factors as with any statistic. Cost of living adjustments, benefit adjustments, etc.
one can earn in the ballpark of 40k as a short order cook. or as a mechanic. :aok
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I'm in college and enjoying it immensely; there is also no way I would be able to go into any of the fields I'm interested in without a good education.
College isn't an insta-win button, it all depends on what job you want and whether you're smart in the way you seek it.
i think that college, like anything else, is what one makes of it. those drones that they constantly reference......college or not, they'll never amount to anything.
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Lets see, I...
- went to college
- Graduated with a Job already lined up
- Started off making above the average salary for the United States
:aok couldn't have said it better myself.
The BS anti-intelectial butcake has been going on for years, and to make it worse occasionaly you have biz leaders like the Pay Pal founder who are encourageing people to not go to college, despite them having gone to get MA and JD degrees. :rolleyes:
Go to college kid, get a degree in something other than underwater basket weaving, and live a decent life.
one can earn in the ballpark of 40k as a short order cook. or as a mechanic. :aok
and get a degree in mechanical engineering and make 50% more (even more in other degrees).
http://www.simplyhired.com/a/salary/search/q-engineer (http://www.simplyhired.com/a/salary/search/q-engineer)
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Military service is nice to have on a resume, but ask all the Veterans coming home from overseas, and you will find that many of them are going back to school because employers dont want anyone without a college degree....even if you have military experience. It is a simple fact of life these days...You need a college degree to land a good job. Someone with military experience AND a college degree is very hire-able. So maybe after you are done with your service, you will decide to go back to school?? Dont totally write off college because someone made a half assed "documentary". Even if you agree with everything that video says, you cant escape the fact that most employers will throw your resume away if you dont have a degree.
I realize many of you didn't go to college, but still did great in your life. That is a MUCH harder thing to do nowadays for young people without an extensive resume and experience.
Better still, use the Military to fund your education. Get a trade and qualifications while you get paid. My sister joined the RAF straight out of school and went that route. She's now a VP of a major manufacturing firm in the UK. Not something she would've thought possible with a B in GCSE Art.