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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Chilli on December 07, 2011, 06:32:26 PM
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Premise: Here is where ENY could be HELPFUL. Unless the ENY limit for a country is high, the downtime of factories would be short, and really not worth the larger country's attempt to shut it down. Based on supply and demand, when a country with higher numbers in flight, has its manufacturing stopped, stock dries up faster.
What will be changed from current system?
1) ENY no longer automatically limits types of aircraft
2) Each strat is now tied to manufacture of certain late production and limited production aircraft
3) New Server message is generated to identify the area of manufacturing that has been damaged, "SYSTEM: Knight Grumman manufacturing has been halted." Effectively Knights loose ability to fly Hellcat and TBM for duration determined by the ENY multiplier.
4) New system of classifying strategic target benefit. Examples: Merlin ~ P51 D, Lancaster, Messerschmitt ~ 262, 163, 109K4, 109G?, Lavochkin ~ La7, Mitsu ~ Ki-84, etc....
5) ENY multiplier significantly enhances the effect of strikes done by undermanned countries, while keeping level country downtimes to a tolerable 10 minutes, with the ability to resupply sooner.
Desired outcome: Game play is more immersive. ENY is not automatic, players initiate the damage and are rewarded with perk points, and server verification of successful war effort. Mission Planners are warned before launch that aircraft may be removed from their hangars. Most important is a country balance tool that is forgiving in offering reasonable alternative aircraft.
* Note: I believe that most players currently DO NOT CHANGE SIDES TO BALANCE ENY, they log off.
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Shutting down all Merlin production would suck.
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Karnak,
I appreciate the thought. Yes, I do agree. That is why the system should target late production or limited production aircraft and vehicles where appropriate. So, not every aircraft with a Merlin engine would be lost for the "player determined" legnth of time.
My premise is that certain models would have historically had sufficient numbers and replacement parts that they would still be in the hangars. If your Mosquito (for instance) has been taken out of the fight, then you also have the opportunity to run supplies, not like the current system that enforces a certain number of players having to log on or log off.
Just recently, there was a discussion on how the British managed to fight off the German Luftwaffe with half the numbers in availabe aircraft, during the Battle of Britain :salute. There must have been a fierce fight for the Brits to keep every available aircraft :airplane: in the fight. THIS is what this game play feature could add. :aok
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. That is why the system should target late production or limited production aircraft and vehicles where appropriate.
How is that appropriate at all? What have real world production numbers to do with role and impact of planes / GVs in Aces High? What is the intention? Immersion? We are not simulating WW2 or even it's countries in any way.
For me it just doesn't connect. :headscratch:
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What's ENY?
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What's ENY?
what happens when you play with more than 1 on your side :).
semp
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ENY is designed to give the team with the over whelming numbers a restriction in the availability of the "better" equipment thus handicapping them. If it is NOT automatic, and neither of the other countries attack the strats the country will NOT be handicapped. What you trying to do is to force the other countries to attack the starts of the higher populated country to slow them down. Of course if people spent their time porking ord or dropping hangers a long the fronts they could do that now....... if they weren't so buzy being over run by the higher numbers.
No thanks, ENY is fine as it is.
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eny is just a thing they use to make players think some airplanes are harder to get kills in than others. it's not the airplane but the situation that you encounter that if you can read right then you will up the correct airplane.
semp
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ust recently, there was a discussion on how the British managed to fight off the German Luftwaffe with half the numbers in availabe aircraft, during the Battle of Britain :salute. There must have been a fierce fight for the Brits to keep every available aircraft :airplane: in the fight. THIS is what this game play feature could add. :aok
The Brits actually never lacked for aircraft during the Battle of Britain, they had lots of brand new Hurricanes and Spitfires just waiting to be used. They had a severe shortage of pilots.
My comment on the Merlin wasn't just about losing my Mossie. The Merlin is the most used engine in AH. If a Merlin factory were in the game that all Merlin engined aircraft depended on, losing the factory would eliminate the following aircraft from use:
Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane Mk IIc
Hurricane Mk IId
Lancaster Mk III
Mosquito Mk VI
Mosquito Mk XVI
P-40F
P-51B
P-51D
Seafire Mk IIc
Spitfire Mk Ia
Spitfire Mk Vb
Spitfire Mk VIII
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XVI
That seems a bit much for a single factory. Eliminating the P-51s and all Spits other than the perked, unSpitfire like Mk XIV would tick off an awful lot of people.
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Karnak,
You didn't read my response.
That is why the system should target late production or limited production aircraft and vehicles where appropriate. So, not every aircraft with a Merlin engine would be lost for the "player determined" legnth of time.
So, you could loose the SpitXVI and SpitIX, for instance and still have tons of choices for spit pilots.
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How is that appropriate at all? What have real world production numbers to do with role and impact of planes / GVs in Aces High? What is the intention? Immersion? We are not simulating WW2 or even it's countries in any way.
For me it just doesn't connect. :headscratch:
Geez Lusche.... Really? I thought that was one of the considerations for adding new aircraft into the game. :headscratch:
Okay so maybe you don't like the word immersion, let's try, "Aces High II is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air war." http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/Overview (http://www.hitechcreations.com/wiki/index.php/Overview)
Give it some time..... :noid maybe it will come to you. What does the phrase air war mean to you?
Has playing AHII given you lost hope for anything other than vulching runways, bombing hangars, shooting churches, or bumping your arse on the ground in a C47 in the name of creating combat? Not that you would do any of these things, but trying to get folks to think outside of the "town capture is everything" box and offer players the option to rally against lopsided numbers.
That is my intention
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ENY is designed to give the team with the over whelming numbers a restriction in the availability of the "better" equipment thus handicapping them. If it is NOT automatic, and neither of the other countries attack the strats the country will NOT be handicapped. What you trying to do is to force the other countries to attack the starts of the higher populated country to slow them down. Of course if people spent their time porking ord or dropping hangers a long the fronts they could do that now....... if they weren't so buzy being over run by the higher numbers.
No thanks, ENY is fine as it is.
How well is that working? Will ENY ever ground TBM, P38G, P51B, SpitV, Ju88, A6m2, Hurri 1, P47D25, F4F, F4U 1, Bf109 E, Fw190 F8, P40, P39, D3A ?? I couldn't ask for better equipment, so it fails to handicap me. Sorry, but the best argument that I can find for ENY is to limit the use of Me262s, other than that it is clumbsy and only causes players to log off. In fact, logging off seems to be the logical solution. ENY is not fine, it is intrusive, stealth, and extremely good for one thing, quietly grounding missions.
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The Brits actually never lacked for aircraft during the Battle of Britain, they had lots of brand new Hurricanes and Spitfires just waiting to be used. They had a severe shortage of pilots.
My comment on the Merlin wasn't just about losing my Mossie. The Merlin is the most used engine in AH. If a Merlin factory were in the game that all Merlin engined aircraft depended on, losing the factory would eliminate the following aircraft from use:
Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane Mk IIc
Hurricane Mk IId
Lancaster Mk III
Mosquito Mk VI
Mosquito Mk XVI
P-40F
P-51B
P-51D
Seafire Mk IIc
Spitfire Mk Ia
Spitfire Mk Vb
Spitfire Mk VIII
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XVI
That seems a bit much for a single factory. Eliminating the P-51s and all Spits other than the perked, unSpitfire like Mk XIV would tick off an awful lot of people.
I would so be the first person to bomb the Merlin factory just to watch 200 explode with whines, then briefly up a C.202 and watch everyone in horror not know what to do :)
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Karnak,
You didn't read my response.
So, you could loose the SpitXVI and SpitIX, for instance and still have tons of choices for spit pilots.
What counts as "limited production?" 50? 100? 250? 500? 1000? 2500? 5000?
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How is that appropriate at all? What have real world production numbers to do with role and impact of planes / GVs in Aces High? What is the intention? Immersion? We are not simulating WW2 or even it's countries in any way.
For me it just doesn't connect. :headscratch:
real world production vs the amount of times that certain plane shotdown. in tour 143, 4,923 P-51D's were shot down. A total of 8,156 were made in what..2 years? no comprende?
Thats what needs to be dealt with IMO
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real world production vs the amount of times that certain plane shotdown. in tour 143, 4,923 P-51D's were shot down. A total of 8,156 were made in what..2 years? no comprende?
Thats what needs to be dealt with IMO
How would you like real world production numbers to be relevant to the game?
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How would you like real world production numbers to be relevant to the game?
I'd love it. probably have to wipe my screen off
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I'd love it. probably have to wipe my screen off
No, what I mean is in what manner would you like historical production numbers to be tied to the game? What effect in game terms would you like it to have. How would you set it up? How do you deal with something like the Spitfire Mk XVI which had a production run of just over 1000, but is the same aircraft as the Spitfire LF.Mk IX which had a production run of over 3000, but isn't in the game. Do we use the 1000 number, or the combined total?
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What counts as "limited production?" 50? 100? 250? 500? 1000? 2500? 5000?
To back Karnak up here:
For Germany the Me410 had over 1000 made and was considered a lesser produced variant.
For Italy the C.202 had over 1000 made and was one of the MOST produced fighters in Italian history
For the U.S. 1000 would barely be enough to gear up and train most planes.
Further, does it matter what the losses are in this game, as compared to history? Historically, a P-51 pilot had a slim chance of EVER seeing the enemy during the war. In this game you're gauranteed to run into many enemy every single time you up, multiple times a day. There are more deaths, but this is because there are thousands of times better chances of getting into danger. You really can't even compare them.
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No, what I mean is in what manner would you like historical production numbers to be tied to the game? What effect in game terms would you like it to have. How would you set it up? How do you deal with something like the Spitfire Mk XVI which had a production run of just over 1000, but is the same aircraft as the Spitfire LF.Mk IX which had a production run of over 3000, but isn't in the game. Do we use the 1000 number, or the combined total?
to me taking total production numbers of every airplane/tank we have in the game and cut the numbers down to those. so if (lets just say) 10k P-40Ns were made through the entire war. only 10k p40Ns can be killed a month. then the plane is disabled. that doesnt mean only 10k sorties of p40Ns can be flown,just shot down.
so that means every month only 8,156 P-51Ds can be shot down until the plane can no longer be flown. It seems fair to where as wartime production of an airplane like the 51D can be used in a single month.
as far as perk rides (262 C-hog, -4 etc) somthing would have to be done so that 4 or 5 people use them all up. also with planes with low wartime production numbers would have to be given a lift in numbers. the way to do that is maybe see what time of the month it ran out of numbers last time. so if only 300 P-47Ms were made, and all 300 were used by the 10th day, somthing would have to be done to make them last to say the 20th.
that way people cant just up the planes they dont like and wreck them so they wont have to deal with it.
I dont mean to hijack the thread but thats my 2 cents on the subject
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to me taking total production numbers of every airplane/tank we have in the game and cut the numbers down to those. so if (lets just say) 10k P-40Ns were made through the entire war. only 10k p40Ns can be killed a month. then the plane is disabled. that doesnt mean only 10k sorties of p40Ns can be flown,just shot down.
have you looked up the stats on how many planes are lost each tour in this game? The VOLUME of it is many many times that of WW2 combined.
We lost over 10,000 B-17s last month alone. Also over 10,000 F4u1Ds. Over 14000 Lancasters. Over 14,000 76mm Shermans. Over 20,000 P-51Ds, and over 90,000 Panzers of combined types. We lost more than 10,000 Spit16s, and more than 14,000 Wirbls (historically only 200 total were ever built).
Even if players bothered to stoop so low as to only flying D3As and Sopwith Camels because that's the only thing left, we'd run out of ANY rides inside of a week or two as the entire stock of warplanes was used up.
It simply is a poor idea, but it's also a punitive idea, punishing the entire arena for up to an entire month for wanting to use a specific plane. At least with ENY limitations, etc, it's only a temporary fix and can be remedied instantly by switching teams.
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and more than 14,000 Wirbls (historically only 200 total were ever built)
The Wirbelwind is certainly the item with the biggest disparity between real life numbers and importance vs AH stats. :D (Actually only a bit over 100 were built. In 2010, 188,000 Wirbelwinde had been destroyed in the LW MA)
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have you looked up the stats on how many planes are lost each tour in this game? The VOLUME of it is many many times that of WW2 combined.
We lost over 10,000 B-17s last month alone. Also over 10,000 F4u1Ds. Over 14000 Lancasters. Over 14,000 76mm Shermans. Over 20,000 P-51Ds, and over 90,000 Panzers of combined types. We lost more than 10,000 Spit16s, and more than 14,000 Wirbls (historically only 200 total were ever built).
Even if players bothered to stoop so low as to only flying D3As and Sopwith Camels because that's the only thing left, we'd run out of ANY rides inside of a week or two as the entire stock of warplanes was used up.
It simply is a poor idea, but it's also a punitive idea, punishing the entire arena for up to an entire month for wanting to use a specific plane. At least with ENY limitations, etc, it's only a temporary fix and can be remedied instantly by switching teams.
yeah woops. I checked tour 143 thinking that was last month. thats why the numbers were so low it seemed like a good idea. if we dont go to real wartime productions I definantly think we do need to limit planes somewhere. or maybe go to each country. and figure out a way to add in more numbers of the low production numbers of some units. if 20k p51s were lost through 3 countries, 3x8 is 24. so that leaves room for 24k total flights for that 1 plane. thats definantly enough. we will probably notice more side switching etc if implemented.
I definantly agree with any way of cutting availability of numbers of airplanes,even if not in the way as i mentioned.
EDIT: 3222 P47 D-40s were lost in 1 month. only thing is, 500 to ship gunners (safegun dweebs :furious ) 408 were lost to wirbelwinds,and around 50 to other GVs. round that to 1000 lost by non aircraft units. only 2,222 were lost to airplanes. of what production number were there of P-47 D-40s. to prove that I'm not just liking this idea due to low deaths of the P-47s so I can benefit
-so of the 8.1k p51s made in WW2 production.
1)20k lost in 1 month total
2)1351 lost to wirbelwinds, 1539 to ship gunners, 66 to M-16s, 49 to chutes (lol) 109 to ostwinds, and looks like around 150 to other GVs.
3) so somewhere from 3100-3250 were lost to somthing other then airplanes. thats down to 17k lost of the 8.1k made. 17 divided by 3 is roughly 5.6
so looks like the average of each countries P51 loss is 5.6k per country of the 8.1k made. if we make each countries plane limit seperately divided I think it could play out a little better. its kind of obvious that 1 country flies 51s more then another. coupled with 12 hour side switch. lowers the amount of pony dweebs in the air.
sure it forces people into other planes but it would seem (to me) a little better looking at the AH world from a 3rd person prospective. by that I mean you wont just have 5 or 6 dominant planes in the air every day
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Lusche, it seriously needs a major perking. ESPECIALLY since it fires 4 guns with no reload. I wish they'd never added it to the game. It's way over powered and way over modeled. Remember when it first came out? You could pincer it and it'd kill 1 guy at d 1.2k, rotate 180 degrees instantly and kill the next guy at d900 and never take a hit.
I'm against arbitrary limiting of the planes people can fly. It's a bad theory to implement in an MMO like this. They should be limited or balanced for gameplay reasons. ENY and/or perk helps to that regard, but doesn't truly punish players for something that's not even their fault.
You punish people and they stop playing the game. It's really that simple. If the P-51D were unavailable to the LWA probably 25% of the playerbase would rage quit and never come back.
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Lusche, it seriously needs a major perking. ESPECIALLY since it fires 4 guns with no reload. I wish they'd never added it to the game. It's way over powered and way over modeled. Remember when it first came out? You could pincer it and it'd kill 1 guy at d 1.2k, rotate 180 degrees instantly and kill the next guy at d900 and never take a hit.
Whilel I would like to see a more historical "realistic" way gun reloading being modeled in AH (not limited to Wirbel", I don't see any any necessity of perking the WW at all. There is no balance problem in gameplay terms at all, especially after the turret rotation speed had been adjusted.
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It definitely deserves a perk considering only a highly practiced attack run by a skilled pilot can take one out. IMO it had no place in the game as it literally changed the dynamics of gameplay. 90% of my deaths right after it came out were probably from wirbls taking parts off of me from 1.5k when I wasn't even attacking! I was engaging other planes! Or RTB, or something.
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90% of my deaths right after it came out were probably from wirbls taking parts off of me from 1.5k when I wasn't even attacking! I was engaging other planes! Or RTB, or something.
Yea, and right after it came out the P-47M was one on the most numerous and deadly fighters as well. Should we perk it now for that moment of fame?
Players have adjusted, they now watch out some more and the "problem" is gone. Only very few players can consistently score kills past 1000 yards in a wirbel, unless the attackers is flying right into their guns.
No perk worthy at all in any way.
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I disagree with your opinion that the wirb is harmless because we're all used to it. Being used to it doesn't change it's capabilities.
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My concern is the upcoming ability of an aircraft I am chasing to see his friendly Whirbelwind out to 6.0 and lead me over to it without me ever being able to see it until I am facing a spray of 20mm rounds.
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I disagree with your opinion that the wirb is harmless because we're all used to it. Being used to it doesn't change it's capabilities.
I wonder where I said "harmless"?
It's not unbalancing in any way. And that's the only thing that matter in terms of perks. That's a huge difference.
Since the new towns had been introduced it's not even used to rush them anymore. It's a potent and effective point defense vehicle, but it can't catch up with planes, can be strafed down (at risk), be bombed with relatively low risk, can be avoided. It's a huge risk to careless pilots and vulchers, the latter being a good thing for the game. The turret speed had been fixed, the usefulness vs ground targets (towns) has been reduced a lot, tactics in combating it had been refined. Bad pilots will die to it, but bad Wirbel drivers will too.
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I say use ENY system in a different way ..... when and as ENY kicks in it affects downtimes ....
Times pull out of the air as I have no real idea of downtimes...... if a hanger goes down and normal re-up time is 15 mins....for every increment of ENY this time shortens .... when you get upto the likes of where you can only fly ENY 40 planes..well hahahaha you have hangers down for 2 mins (work fast boys hahaha)....Obviously this is an extreme exaggeration on the times thing but you can see how it would work... this was something I had put in the wishlist with a couple of other things coupled with it...but getting things across in text is just not my thing... could this be implemented....would it work...I really don't know...but it would still allow people to up the plane they want and stop people jumping sides when one is about to win the war as the community would self police in a sense as if there was a mass influx the opporunity for the takes becomes harder .....Obviously this was before the 1 hr side change.....
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I say use ENY system in a different way ..... when and as ENY kicks in it affects downtimes ....
Times pull out of the air as I have no real idea of downtimes...... if a hanger goes down and normal re-up time is 15 mins....for every increment of ENY this time shortens .... when you get upto the likes of where you can only fly ENY 40 planes..well hahahaha you have hangers down for 2 mins (work fast boys hahaha)....Obviously this is an extreme exaggeration on the times thing but you can see how it would work...
It wouldn't work well as a balancer. Because the side having such massive numbers hardly has it's hangars down at all. The defenders are too busy with defending to be able to do organised attacks on the FHs of (most of the time several) fields. And without ENY limit the numerous side will have even less problems in stopping any attack on them. In the end, eny would have about no practical effect at all.
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It wouldn't work well as a balancer. Because the side having such massive numbers hardly has it's hangars down at all. The defenders are too busy with defending to be able to do organised attacks on the FHs of (most of the time several) fields. And without ENY limit the numerous side will have even less problems in stopping any attack on them. In the end, eny would have about no practical effect at all.
Ummm that is what I was trying to say ...switch all your thinking the other way I think my inablity to get things across in the written script may have confused things......the team with high eny is the one with the shorter downtimes on their opposition buildings and the like therefore defenders with of the lower numbers side have quicker reinstate times for their guns hangers buildings etc whilst having.....whilst the high number side has to work faster to beat the shortened downtimes of their opposition...the low number side then has normal downtimes to work with ....
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What counts as "limited production?" 50? 100? 250? 500? 1000? 2500? 5000?
2) Each strat is now tied to manufacture of certain late production and limited production aircraft Meant to read as, "2) Each strat is now tied to manufacture of certain late production and/ or limited production aircraft
To back Karnak up here:
For Germany the Me410 had over 1000 made and was considered a lesser produced variant.
For Italy the C.202 had over 1000 made and was one of the MOST produced fighters in Italian history
For the U.S. 1000 would barely be enough to gear up and train most planes.
Further, does it matter what the losses are in this game, as compared to history? Historically, a P-51 pilot had a slim chance of EVER seeing the enemy during the war. In this game you're gauranteed to run into many enemy every single time you up, multiple times a day. There are more deaths, but this is because there are thousands of times better chances of getting into danger. You really can't even compare them.
Okay, do we entirely know what the current ENY cost system is related to? I mean, HTC must have gathered information, other than the planes most whined about being uber. Also, since we are able to pull up numbers that show that Ponies are extremely popular and were in production late in the war, it just seems reasonable that would most likely be on that list and just so happens to correlate to a ENY cost number.
While using the current ENY cost numbers, damage to a particular strat would cause downtime for usage of equipment associated with low ENY cost and that manufacturer.
Anyhow, ENY currently does nothing to me except keep me from posting missions. I can do the same thing with TBM or F4U 1 as a P51D. So, back to my original thought, "scratch the ENY system that whipes out all aircraft across the board below a certain ENY." Take the ENY system and tweak it to involve player action while giving the edge to the underdog in terms of downtime. Since this is only a wish, and I agree will have its downsides, I will leave it with to its merits, and not the imperfections in player laissez faire (wanting things done for them).
At least Tongs and I seem to be speaking the same language. :)
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2) Each strat is now tied to manufacture of certain late production and limited production aircraft Meant to read as, "2) Each strat is now tied to manufacture of certain late production and/ or limited production aircraft
You're still not saying what you would base it on. How many of an aircraft have to have been produced for it to be a limited production aircraft? What is a "Late production" aircraft? Is it different for the European and Pacific theaters?
Okay, do we entirely know what the current ENY cost system is related to? I mean, HTC must have gathered information, other than the planes most whined about being uber. Also, since we are able to pull up numbers that show that Ponies are extremely popular and were in production late in the war, it just seems reasonable that would most likely be on that list and just so happens to correlate to a ENY cost number.
The current ENY number is based on HTC's estimate of the unit's impact on the arena. This estimate is a combination of historical data (historical effects in AH, not WWII) and performance based capability estimates.
While using the current ENY cost numbers, damage to a particular strat would cause downtime for usage of equipment associated with low ENY cost and that manufacturer.
Anyhow, ENY currently does nothing to me except keep me from posting missions. I can do the same thing with TBM or F4U 1 as a P51D. So, back to my original thought, "scratch the ENY system that whipes out all aircraft across the board below a certain ENY." Take the ENY system and tweak it to involve player action while giving the edge to the underdog in terms of downtime. Since this is only a wish, and I agree will have its downsides, I will leave it with to its merits, and not the imperfections in player laissez faire (wanting things done for them).
At least Tongs and I seem to be speaking the same language. :)
Tough. The solution is easy. When your side has a significant numbers advantage don't try to post missions using things like P-51Ds and Bf110G-2s.
Basically you are suggesting things that remove the force balancing element of ENY. That is its purpose and changes that eliminate that are not going to happen.
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If a certain % of players were voluntarily switched to a different country to level the eny, this would fix the whole thing. At what % does ENY kick in? Make that the magic number for "Floaters" (people who really don't care who they fly with) to get bounced, or make it a lottery, where ya gotta take your turn. I'd even volunteer for that to keep ENY out of it. :salute
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How well is that working? Will ENY ever ground TBM, P38G, P51B, SpitV, Ju88, A6m2, Hurri 1, P47D25, F4F, F4U 1, Bf109 E, Fw190 F8, P40, P39, D3A ?? I couldn't ask for better equipment, so it fails to handicap me. Sorry, but the best argument that I can find for ENY is to limit the use of Me262s, other than that it is clumbsy and only causes players to log off. In fact, logging off seems to be the logical solution. ENY is not fine, it is intrusive, stealth, and extremely good for one thing, quietly grounding missions.
I think it works well. YOU may not feel handicapped flying a 38G, 51B and so on, but many people are. Try getting people to fill out a mission using them. Yes it may be "extremely good for one thing, quietly grounding missions" but that is what it's suppose to do. To help slow the attack of the force with the overwhelming numbers. Also, if people are loggin off due to ENY, it is their loss. As you pointed out there are a number of great planes that are not effected by ENY.
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I think it works well. YOU may not feel handicapped flying a 38G, 51B and so on, but many people are. Try getting people to fill out a mission using them. Yes it may be "extremely good for one thing, quietly grounding missions" but that is what it's suppose to do. To help slow the attack of the force with the overwhelming numbers. Also, if people are loggin off due to ENY, it is their loss. As you pointed out there are a number of great planes that are not effected by ENY.
Okay Fugitive,
I have been a bit cranky, so forgive me. Anything that discourages players to the point they log off, decreases the potential game play options. Also, I suggest that you post a few missions via mission planner to understand the dilemma better. Post a mission that does not include a popular plane and good luck finding more than a couple good ole buds, if anyone at all, to join.
The way that ENY changes behind the scenes without any indication of when or how much, (unless you are constantly monitoring country status), many missions have launched only to find that only the goons and a couple of bombers were able to spawn on the runway, the rest receive the ENY jack in the box. This happens quite often with veteran mission planners and is not what it was intended to do.
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Okay Fugitive,
I have been a bit cranky, so forgive me. Anything that discourages players to the point they log off, decreases the potential game play options. Also, I suggest that you post a few missions via mission planner to understand the dilemma better. Post a mission that does not include a popular plane and good luck finding more than a couple good ole buds, if anyone at all, to join.
The way that ENY changes behind the scenes without any indication of when or how much, (unless you are constantly monitoring country status), many missions have launched only to find that only the goons and a couple of bombers were able to spawn on the runway, the rest receive the ENY jack in the box. This happens quite often with veteran mission planners and is not what it was intended to do.
The number of people logging off because ENY frustrates them are less than the number of people logging off because of horrible side imbalances.
If anything, ENY needs to be applied more aggressively.
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Chilli why not just join a squad with some guys who have the same aims as you? i.e., players who will not be put off by high ENY when it's time to hit a base, and will take whatever plane can get the job done.
I have never really understood the whole 'recruit a bunch of randoms from country channel for a mission' thing...sure I guess you get some regulars...but in my opinion all games like this are better with a committed team/group/squad!!
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Okay Fugitive,
I have been a bit cranky, so forgive me. Anything that discourages players to the point they log off, decreases the potential game play options. Also, I suggest that you post a few missions via mission planner to understand the dilemma better. Post a mission that does not include a popular plane and good luck finding more than a couple good ole buds, if anyone at all, to join.
The way that ENY changes behind the scenes without any indication of when or how much, (unless you are constantly monitoring country status), many missions have launched only to find that only the goons and a couple of bombers were able to spawn on the runway, the rest receive the ENY jack in the box. This happens quite often with veteran mission planners and is not what it was intended to do.
This has nothing to do with ENY, but it has everything to do with the type of players we have today.
Todays player only wants the biggest and baddest so that they can roll over bases as quick as possible with the least amount of effort involved. They log because they haven't a clue how to fly the "lesser" planes. They log because they haven't a clue how to create a mission that involves tactics, not just an overwhelming force.
I agree with Karnak, I think more people log off due to the imbalances as well as seeing the same old horde running around the maps.
As for running missions, very few know what they are doing. All most of them know is to launch with as many late war monsters as you can, run NOE across any water they can find and hit a base nobody is at. Personally I love to see far more information be available for mission planners, and I'd like to see them use it.
1) a ready room/ planning room. Mission leader goes in and has 2 maps on the wall. One map is the active world map showing all dar info. Second map is the mission planner map. Planner can lay out waypoints for different wings with short notes on objective for each wing. In a center panel, ENY numbers, base count, population count, and base capture system announcements updated each minute.
2) ready room text/vox is a separate channel no outside text or vox. everyone that's wants in on the mission has to request entrance and be allowed in. Once mission numbers are met, a message will pop up that" the mission is full, please join another". With a separate text/vox channel assignments would be easier to get out, and everyone would know their objective/assignment before they left the ground....no more playing 20 questions as you fly to the target.
3) a data display on the kneeboard of the mission leader. As each wings mission is accomplished ....:ie FH down.... a check appears before it on the board so the leader can have up to date info on how the attack is going and better control what he/she needs where.
The problem is half of this stuff can be done now and nobody bothers. Why? Because most don't know how to get/use the info that is available. Next, to many players don't have the patients to do the research, compile the info, and put it together. On top of that, the followers can't be bothered with learning how/what they have to do to accomplish their objectives.
Todays game has become like every FPS out there. Spawn, kill as many as you can, die, REPEAT. We spawn, bomb the town repeatedly dieing often until someone gets enough troops in for the capture, then REPEAT someplace else. Even if we are given the "tools" most won't bother to use them.
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The frustrating thing is that people won't even try the higher ENY aicraft, they just declare them useless. Pushing the Mosquito VI again, it is very close to a P-51D in capability, both for air-to-air and air-to-ground. An La-5FN isn't vastly behind an La-7. A Ki-84 is still a good fighter in a world of Spitfire Mk XVIs.
There are lots of very good, competitive, higher ENY planes, some of which are real gems.
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The Brits actually never lacked for aircraft during the Battle of Britain, they had lots of brand new Hurricanes and Spitfires just waiting to be used. They had a severe shortage of pilots.
My comment on the Merlin wasn't just about losing my Mossie. The Merlin is the most used engine in AH. If a Merlin factory were in the game that all Merlin engined aircraft depended on, losing the factory would eliminate the following aircraft from use:
Hurricane Mk I
Hurricane Mk IIc
Hurricane Mk IId
Lancaster Mk III
Mosquito Mk VI
Mosquito Mk XVI
P-40F
P-51B
P-51D
Seafire Mk IIc
Spitfire Mk Ia
Spitfire Mk Vb
Spitfire Mk VIII
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XVI
That seems a bit much for a single factory. Eliminating the P-51s and all Spits other than the perked, unSpitfire like Mk XIV would tick off an awful lot of people.
The American planes like P-40F 51B and D would not be affected.They use Packard Merlins. And yes there was a difference!
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The American planes like P-40F 51B and D would not be affected.They use Packard Merlins. And yes there was a difference!
The Lancaster Mk III and Spitfire Mk XVI also use Packard Merlins.
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Chilli why not just join a squad with some guys who have the same aims as you? i.e., players who will not be put off by high ENY when it's time to hit a base, and will take whatever plane can get the job done.
I have never really understood the whole 'recruit a bunch of randoms from country channel for a mission' thing...sure I guess you get some regulars...but in my opinion all games like this are better with a committed team/group/squad!!
I was very happy with all of the squads that I belonged to. The one thing that had me move away from squads was their insistence on remaining loyal to one country regardless. I have to admit that at first staying with the same country gave you an opportunity to know your countrymen. What really sucks about that is that you don't get to know 2/3 of the other players as well. I have had just as much FUN getting to know the likes of some very skilled and delightfully humurous players across all countries.
Besides, if I hadn't been allowed to go Knight, I would never have known about Floatsup's "Bowling For Planes" air to air bomb kill missions, or his singing :o ..... :bolt:
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Fugitive,
I agree, the "win the war" game has become one dimensional. This is more of the reason why folks log off, but it is compounded by being horded, which is not always a result of difference in country numbers, but rather country tactics. THEREFORE I stand by my statement the ENY does not IMPROVE balance in the way that it was intended.
For example: Rooks will have superior numbers (therefore handicapped by ENY) yet the typical stradegy of Rooks is to try and defend against the Bishop horde (insert Knight as well). This is a classic example of ENY interference that does nothing to slow down the advance of the HORDING country and punishes the ganged defenders. Insert a two front defense aimed at both Bishop and Knight forces, which happen to be interested in Rook real estate, even I have logged off, given no reasonable alternative.
The fact that you have 3 countries was supposed to balance the numbers. ENY has failed to address the real problem which is hording. I am just putting forth a scheme to at least make ENY a valuable component in a undermanned country's defensive.
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not all squads are like that Chilli :old: I agree that being stuck on one country would be annoying
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ENY should be available at any time from the clipboard while flying, landing, etc., IMO to allow you to decide whether to land or rearm, etc. Since the tower is not manned and someone doesn't always answer you, even if they happen to know the ENY on a particular craft....So? Sound fair to you guys?
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I think that you can still get the country ENY while in flight, but if you don't happen to know what ENY cost (I can agree with that). So if am I reading this correctly, the ENY cost is what you say is not available while in flight. Even though it doesn't change, there are too many planes to be expected to accurately remember many of their costs.
Again, another way that current ENY application is a system that just rubs me the wrong way.
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I think that you can still get the country ENY while in flight, but if you don't happen to know what ENY cost (I can agree with that). So if am I reading this correctly, the ENY cost is what you say is not available while in flight. Even though it doesn't change, there are too many planes to be expected to accurately remember many of their costs.
Again, another way that current ENY application is a system that just rubs me the wrong way.
Actually, I was addressing availability, but why not both? :banana:
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So, now if I am reading you right, you would like to be able to pull up the hangar clipboard while in flight.
I agree that would fix the problem. :old: Sorry, I was slow on the uptake.