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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: 4Prop on December 08, 2011, 11:03:29 AM
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D-11,D-40,N models.
discuss
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Yes, they are all in the game. Discuss what about them?
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characteristics. tactics.
personally i use the excellent tail control to maneover.
I think the engine and paddle prop is undermodeled.
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Yes, they are all in the game. Discuss what about them?
You get pilot wounds in them and no bullet holes in canopy? Personally I Like the 11 the most of those 3 rarely up a N, take a 40 heavy, but of course I really like flying the -25, of course I dont float them around like you do, Pretty much keep it to a BnZ but will twist it up if I can see the other guy is at a clear disadvantage even if hes in a better turner and avoid climbing turns
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4prop, if you have a question ask it. If you have a point make it. Don't post just to pad your post count.
Because that's all your original post can be construed as.
Might as well have said "Diabetes: discuss."
That's not a topic. That's not even a statement. The closest thing you could describe it as is an imperative order. Best not to be ordering the entire forum around for your own amusement.
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"Diabetes: discuss."
Die Ah Bee tees' or Die ah Betus
Discuss :O
Also, he already was called out to clarify what he wanted to discuss in paticular.
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I think the engine and paddle prop is undermodeled.
Why do you think this?
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I'm not calling him out to clarify. I'm calling him out as a post count padder. There was nothing to discuss. He's just added that afterwards because (as you mention) he was called out on lack of topic. I'm calling him out on his intents more than the lack of topic.
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Does AH actually take into account the paticular prop used? Also, Krusty I see what your saying but now Karnak has asked about the prop undermodleing and I am interested to learn about this now!
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Yes, AH does. The question you should ask is: Is that the particular plane we have in-game?
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D-11,D-40,N models.
discuss
I pwn you!
discuss :aok
JUGgler
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I'm not calling him out to clarify. I'm calling him out as a post count padder. There was nothing to discuss. He's just added that afterwards because (as you mention) he was called out on lack of topic. I'm calling him out on his intents more than the lack of topic.
coming from someone with as many posts as you? thats cute :aok
the jugs that are suppost to have the paddle blade props dont climb like they should. I know this because I looked at many climb rate charts vs. AH climbrates. I'll have to look for them again because I dont remember exactly what they were but they (3 charts) were very comparable to P51 climb rates. In AH the R2800 is like a ford model T engine
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coming from someone with as many posts as you? thats cute :aok
the jugs that are suppost to have the paddle blade props dont climb like they should. I know this because I looked at many climb rate charts vs. AH climbrates. I'll have to look for them again because I dont remember exactly what they were but they (3 charts) were very comparable to P51 climb rates. In AH the R2800 is like a ford model T engine
until you post something exact, theres no apellata!
anyway a light jug can climb. just saying.
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coming from someone with as many posts as you? thats cute :aok
What's cute is you think that's 1) a defense, 2) an attack 3) relevant. MY posts are not in question here. Your attempt to post pad IS. See the difference? I'm not post count padding. You are.
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JUGler, the boo would pwn you. Just fly in that dang 47, low and slow, hold still and we'll see who's boss!
Boo
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until you post something exact, theres no apellata!
anyway a light jug can climb. just saying.
Exactly.
D40 even outclimbs a P-51 in areas:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=0&p2=27&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
He's probably hauling back on the stick right after takeoff with bombs and/or rockets under the wings and full fuel and complaining that it can't climb.
Oh, and even the lackluster D-25 climbs as well as the P-51:
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=0&p2=28&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
And let's not even get into the P-47N (light) and M!
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=0&p2=102&pw=2>ype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
P.S. those are in-game stats. That's what we have right now 4prop.
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See Rules #2, #4
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What's cute is you think that's 1) a defense, 2) an attack 3) relevant. MY posts are not in question here. Your attempt to post pad IS. See the difference? I'm not post count padding. You are.
in over 24k post im sure a few of them may have possibly beeen viewed as padding to some people, also what would happen if the 47 had the correct prop blade on it how would that effect the climbrate(assuming other planes do have this prop and it is already modeled) Prop those charts from ingame do they look like the charts you saw out of game maybe the prop is purely cosmetic in this case. Back on point guys
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The P-47M has a MONSTER WEP, that is for certain. I was looking at that last night. I rarely fly the 47 but was getting tempted last night. Might be fun to fight it above 25k to see how well it goes. How mushy is the 47M at high alts, high speed and WEP aside? Do you spend most of the time with one notch of flaps?
Discuss!
Boo
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I dont fly the M much. I dont like the way it handles. It almost seems like the airframe is to small for the engine. 47s are good at high alt and can almost (if not better) roll faster then a 190D-9 at high speeds.
jugs can climb good but once a fight starts it seems like its outclassed when it comes to climbing with an opponent with same E levels.
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How mushy is the 47M at high alts, high speed and WEP aside? Do you spend most of the time with one notch of flaps?
Uh, no! That'd be terrible. You don't fly at 1 notch! No more than you would at 1K!
It handles better than most simply because it has more horsepower. Up at alts the biggest problems are loss in alt with manuvers and the lack of ability to nose up. The 47s have better high alt power (the lift isn't so much the issue, it's this power that's the issue) so that can do more with better ease. I'm not saying it flies like it's on the deck, but it does handle better than many others.
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About the chart Krusty posted:
remember, the jug carries a load of fuel. As far as i know, those charts are with 100% fuel. So when its getting lighter, the jug is overtaking the pony (the fuel is a larger part of the total weight).
JugHead, you said you dont like how the M handles.
About 7-8 months ago i was taking a trip in the DA. I found the light M a very capable dogfighter, IMO thats better than a nearly full tank 109.
You talking about its handling characteristics: i was able to make a zeek (Maxous) do circles around me by tailwhipping left and right. My tactic worked til i ran outta altitude and the zeek started the continous circling...
So you can hate it, but thats still one of the steadyest planes in game, an excellent gun platform, fast like the lightning, climbs very well.
You wanted my opinion (discuss...): the d11 rocks, the d25 and d40 shucks, the N just cant roll well, the M handles like a d11 but much faster and climbs better.
Edit: may try it once, Krusty. Anyway, once a spit14 was trying to rolling scissor with my light N. While he was outturning me, i could stay inside and be slower, so he overshot and lost it. Not bad from a fat boy ;)
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For the average player in the MA I would place the JUGS in order of best to worst as such.
#1- D11
#2- D40
#3- NJUG
#4- MJUG
#5- D25
Ofcourse The NJUG in my hands is something special and beautiful!
JUGgler
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For the average player in the MA I would place the JUGS in order of best to worst as such.
#1- D11
#2- D40
#3- NJUG
#4- MJUG
#5- D-25
Agreed
Ofcourse The NJUG in my hands is something special and beautiful!
JUGgler
as long as I dont get that rocket vulch!
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long as I dont get that rocket vulch!
:rofl :rofl :aok
JUGgler
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Really the d-25 is the worst of them all? I LIKE the D-25! not as much as the D-11 but..ah crap I dont have a cool Jug related name so I dont have a horse in the race. the rankings ya posted is what all is taken into account pure Dogfighting, or best overall in most aspects?
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The P-47M has a MONSTER WEP, that is for certain. I was looking at that last night. I rarely fly the 47 but was getting tempted last night. Might be fun to fight it above 25k to see how well it goes. How mushy is the 47M at high alts, high speed and WEP aside? Do you spend most of the time with one notch of flaps?
Discuss!
Boo
The M isn't mushy at all imo. Just keep at fast, fly smooth. Manual trimming seems to help with this one. I rather save the wep and stay out of the flaps until i have to come over the top or reverse really quick.That's when it starts getting mushy.... 200 IAS or so, hopefully the bandit will be even slower. Just depends on how and what the other guy is flying.
But I always save enough alt to rebulid E. and dive away. The P47s got to have E. The -11 not so much, but the others yeah.
I'd rank them:
#1 N
#2 40 because of the ord it can carry
#3 M
#4 11
#5 25
The only thing IMO that keeps the M model out of #1 is lack or ord.
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The M isn't mushy at all imo. Just keep at fast, fly smooth. Manual trimming seems to help with this one. I rather save the wep and stay out of the flaps until i have to come over the top or reverse really quick.That's when it starts getting mushy.... 200 IAS or so, hopefully the bandit will be even slower. Just depends on how and what the other guy is flying.
But I always save enough alt to rebulid E. and dive away. The P47s got to have E. The -11 not so much, but the others yeah.
I'd rank them:
#1 N
#2 40 because of the ord it can carry
#3 M
#4 11
#5 25
The only thing IMO that keeps the M model out of #1 is lack or ord.
I will agree the N is on top but only for those who can really get out of the N all she is capable of, the average guy doesn't have a clue!
The more I mess with them the more I realize just how different each is from the other, but that is cause I see the smallest of differences these days!
JUGgler
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I stick to the D-25. Better speed over the D-11 and accerate better over the D-40.
I will agree the N is on top but only for those who can really get out of the N all she is capable of, the average guy doesn't have a clue!
The more I mess with them the more I realize just how different each is from the other, but that is cause I see the smallest of differences these days!
JUGgler
I have chased down "N" in the D-25 and take them out. Some people just do not fly them right. "M" is one Jug that I just cannot match. To powerful against the D-25.
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The N can do anything the M can. Same engine, just a little more dry weight. Top speeds are only a few mph off from each other.
Chalk that up to blatant mis-use in the MAs if you can't catch the M but regularly catch the N. Pilot error.
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I will agree the N is on top but only for those who can really get out of the N all she is capable of, the average guy doesn't have a clue!
The more I mess with them the more I realize just how different each is from the other, but that is cause I see the smallest of differences these days!
JUGgler
I think that's the key with any of them. Most folks don't know how to use them. The guys that do, and JUG you were/are one of them, do things with them that the average cartoon driver can't.
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I stick to the D-25. Better speed over the D-11 and accerate better over the D-40.
I have chased down "N" in the D-25 and take them out. Some people just do not fly them right. "M" is one Jug that I just cannot match. To powerful against the D-25.
The D-25 cannot out accelerate the D-40 if the pilot knows what he's doing. Its the same airframe with a more powerful engine in the D-40. If you've chased down an N in the D-25, then the N pilot was either out of WEP, or not paying attention, as it possesses a whopping 600 more HP on WEP than the D-25, while only weighing in a bit heavier (relatively speaking).
Personally, I'd rank them, in order of performance: P-47M, P-47N, P-47D40, P-47D25, P-47D11 and in that order of air-to-air combat ability as well. The D11 accelerates like a true pig. People perceive an instantaneous turn advantage in the D11 because overall, it usually weighs in much less that the later models. Before the M came out, I believe the N was the best air-to-air Jug platform, just because most MA fights usually evolve into 1v1 low-speed turn fights where the high power of the N makes it perform best. Especially once it gets light, as the wingloading on the N (more wing area than the D models) starts approaching fully loaded Spitfire numbers (say at 1/4 tank of fuel and half ammo or less). If you can stay in the fight with 800 rounds total and an 1/8th of a tank of fuel, the N can get pretty sprightly. Now that the M is available, it is the air-to-air king of the Jugs, and handily so. The weight of a D model with the power of an N model--that's the best of both worlds. Its still a big, heavy aircraft, which is why it doesn't carry a perk--that, and the fights in-game typically don't occur at 28,000 feet like they did over Europe. If the game constantly put you into combat at those altitudes, the Jug-M would be a perk plane because it would be one of the best performers in the game, behind the Me-262, Me-163, and arguably tied or better than the Ta-152 (and perhaps the Spit 14).
As for high-altitude combat, the ability of the Jug series to make basically sea level power at 30,000 feet is what makes it so deadly. Thank the designers for that turbo system instead of a supercharger--a indicator of its design use being as an interceptor rather than a pursuit fighter. But, fighting at that altitude requires a completely different skill set than most AH2 pilots possess from in-game experience, as you must be more patient, more methodical, and keep speed on the plane at the detriment of maneuvering. The energy equations at those altitudes are completely different than they are at typical AH altitudes, and will humble you quickly if you don't adjust your flying technique.
I mark the whole series except for the N and M as some of the most difficult aircraft to master in-game, which is why Bluekitty, Yucca, and some of those folks were so impressive to watch in the D models...
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When I've flown a Jug I take the D-40 if only because it reminds me of all those 9th AF ground attack guys who stuck their necks out doing really dangerous job.
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The D11 is the fighter model. The others are various types of trainers.
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The D-25 cannot out accelerate the D-40 if the pilot knows what he's doing. Its the same airframe with a more powerful engine in the D-40. If you've chased down an N in the D-25, then the N pilot was either out of WEP, or not paying attention, as it possesses a whopping 600 more HP on WEP than the D-25, while only weighing in a bit heavier (relatively speaking).
As for high-altitude combat, the ability of the Jug series to make basically sea level power at 30,000 feet is what makes it so deadly. Thank the designers for that turbo system instead of a supercharger--a indicator of its design use being as an interceptor rather than a pursuit fighter. But, fighting at that altitude requires a completely different skill set than most AH2 pilots possess from in-game experience, as you must be more patient, more methodical, and keep speed on the plane at the detriment of maneuvering. The energy equations at those altitudes are completely different than they are at typical AH altitudes, and will humble you quickly if you don't adjust your flying technique.
I mark the whole series except for the N and M as some of the most difficult aircraft to master in-game, which is why Bluekitty, Yucca, and some of those folks were so impressive to watch in the D models...
Preffered the "N", he said he could "move it around a bit better" (don't confuse this with turning or clmbing better), and I agree.
JUGgler
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The N and D40 retain E far better than the others, The M has more raw power, the D11 turns the best
The D25 is in its own world of suck, yet it is my favorite!
JUGgler
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The D-25 cannot out accelerate the D-40 if the pilot knows what he's doing. Its the same airframe with a more powerful engine in the D-40. If you've chased down an N in the D-25, then the N pilot was either out of WEP, or not paying attention, as it possesses a whopping 600 more HP on WEP than the D-25, while only weighing in a bit heavier (relatively speaking).
D-25 and D-40 acceleration are the same, but you are right if the pilot knows what he's doing. In fact, both jugs equal or nearly close to equal on all aspects of performance except the D-40 slightly better climb rate with WEP, D-25 slightly better on turn raids with no flaps and D-40 a hair better on turn raids with flaps.
Going back to acceleration. When I say I accelerated better than the D-40 that may because my load out. I never used %100 or %75 fuel. I also used the smaller load of the six gun package.
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D-25 and D-40 acceleration are the same, but you are right if the pilot knows what he's doing. In fact, both jugs equal or nearly close to equal on all aspects of performance except the D-40 slightly better climb rate with WEP, D-25 slightly better on turn raids with no flaps and D-40 a hair better on turn raids with flaps.
Going back to acceleration. When I say I accelerated better than the D-40 that may because my load out. I never used %100 or %75 fuel. I also used the smaller load of the six gun package.
D40 has more WEP horsepower with the same airframe, with 2600 HP available versus the 2200 HP on the D-25. In a drag race at the same weight, it has to accelerate better. With more power, its also going to have better sustained turn performance with WEP (note, not necessarily reflected in the turn radius), because it has more power available with the same power required. The reason the D-40 has better climb rate is because of its higher power with WEP. The D-25 has the same power as the D-11, but has the high-activity propeller (aka "paddleblade), which is reflected in the better climb rate. It has a slower speed because of the wing pylons.
When comparing the D-25 and D-40, make sure you use the same load out, because they should have basically the same weight. Personally, I never felt the 6-gun package was worth the loss in firepower. But, if you do use it, remember that the only weight advantage is by using the 6-gun, light ammo load, as the 6-gun, heavy ammo load weighs more than the 8-gun, light ammo load. For the D11, I always used the 8-gun light load, and 100% internal, with a drop. Legs are too short to take off with less, IMO. For the later model D's, I usually went with 75% internal and no drop. For the N, it was always 50% internal, center drop.
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Ever try 3 drops and 25% in a N (with 6 guns light)? :D
It's interesting. Definitely gamey, too. But interesting. Fly to the fight and drop the tanks to engage. You get about 1 or 2 quick fights and then have to worry about getting home as you're on fumes.
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Personally, I'd rank them, in order of performance: P-47M, P-47N, P-47D40, P-47D25, P-47D11 and in that order of air-to-air combat ability as well.
agreed
The D25 is in its own world of suck, yet it is my favorite!
also agreed :D
(I fly it because greebo did that lovely SEAC camo skin for it :aok)
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Ever try 3 drops and 25% in a N (with 6 guns light)? :D
It's interesting. Definitely gamey, too. But interesting. Fly to the fight and drop the tanks to engage. You get about 1 or 2 quick fights and then have to worry about getting home as you're on fumes.
%50 is the most i put in with no DT.
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It gives you about 5 mins (with WEP) if I recall. So you take all 3 DTs in case you need to wing up or escort or whatever... then when you find the fight jetison all and tally ho! I've turned some heads doing that. Even caught one of my squaddies by surprise "How the heck did you stay vertical chasing him so long?!" (hung on my prop chasing a faster bogey).
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p47's suck, fear the mighty pony :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:. .....to be honest except for lilmak (100% sure he cheats :mad: :noid) plus the other guy who invented the tail drag.
semp
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p47's suck, fear the mighty pony :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:. .....to be honest except for lilmak (100% sure he cheats :mad: :noid) plus the other guy who invented the tail drag.
semp
I thought you are a 109 type. Huh.
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I thought you are a 109 type. Huh.
Semp's a Spitdweeb, or a bombtar'd Then again I usually avoid Semp and have no clue what he flys, as there is only 4 guys that can beat him in a fight and I get no kills when he's around :uhoh :bolt:
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M is an Lgay with 8 50's...plane has no soul. N not as maneuverable, but does neat stuff at lower speeds, where M falls outta the sky like a D9
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I think the M's true asset is as an high alt escort fighter, I'll take it over a pony any day over 25k. Great high alt speed, 8 .50's for instantaneous severe punishment at good range, good fuel range, tough, and great diving ability. Wonderful plane for that role :aok
:salute
BigRat
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I think the M's true asset is as an high alt escort fighter, I'll take it over a pony any day over 25k. Great high alt speed, 8 .50's for instantaneous severe punishment at good range, good fuel range, tough, and great diving ability. Wonderful plane for that role :aok
:salute
BigRat
M? I thought the M was short ranged. The N on the other hand is extremely long ranged.
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M? I thought the M was short ranged. The N on the other hand is extremely long ranged.
Yup, the M was the problematic hotrod.
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M? I thought the M was short ranged. The N on the other hand is extremely long ranged.
Good, not great, with 3 drop tanks on an M it goes for a good long while. Not Pony while but still good.
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BigRat
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Good, not great, with 3 drop tanks on an M it goes for a good long while. Not Pony while but still good.
To put it into numbers:
maximum endurance MIL @ sea level, 100% fuel / 100% + max DT loadout
D-11 33/41 minutes
D-40 40/81 minutes
M 29/67 minutes
N 57/96 minutes
for comparison:
Pony D 50/80 minutes
Ta 152 56/73 minutes
Mossie6 71/98 minutes
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D-11,D-40,N models.
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Well you see, the cool thing about the Jug is
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Well you see, the cool thing about the Jug is
Is what? :headscratch:
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Is what? :headscratch:
I think what he is saying is there isn't anything cool about the jug. :devil
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Well you see, the cool thing about the Jug is
It PWNS joo? :neener:
JUGgler
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I have been flying an M frequently for a week now, and really like it for the really high fights.
One of my favorite greifer things to do is out alt the alt monkeys. It's satisfying to watch them :x and dive to the deck to run away. While a few stay and fight, most of these pickers turn tail and run like a little girl (elbows in, holding skirt)... Of course, the M can catch most anything if it has a head of steam up, so usually they fail to get away. As with the case of most pickers, they don't know how to handle a knife fight, so they are easy marks when they don't have the alt advantage...
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Well, I have a certain view of the P-47s.
D-11-Low Alt Turn Fighter P-47
D-25-High Alt Vulch Fighter
D-40-Fighter Bomber
M- All Around Bad A**
N-Long Range Fighter/CV Spotter/Recon
I mainly flew the D-25 last tour, I got fond of the dive speed, then I flew the N because I wanted something speedy and long range to find CVs. Didn't fly any other of them too much.
However I did gain interest in the P-40E, but that was before it was ruined.
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However I did gain interest in the P-40E, but that was before it was ruined.
You liked the oversized tires?
I like the N because it is the highest letter in the alphabet :noid
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You liked the oversized tires?
I like the N because it is the highest letter in the alphabet :noid
No, because it was the best performer out of them. It also had some VERY VERY nice skins. Down side to it now is the WEP is gone and it's slow as a stone boat.
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I have been flying an M frequently for a week now, and really like it for the really high fights.
One of my favorite greifer things to do is out alt the alt monkeys. It's satisfying to watch them :x and dive to the deck to run away. While a few stay and fight, most of these pickers turn tail and run like a little girl (elbows in, holding skirt)... Of course, the M can catch most anything if it has a head of steam up, so usually they fail to get away. As with the case of most pickers, they don't know how to handle a knife fight, so they are easy marks when they don't have the alt advantage...
My squaddies and I a couple of years ago, used to grab P-47Ns with max drop tanks and 100%, climb up to about 30,000 feet, and patrol around the map looking for high-altitude bombers. It was good practice at staying together at high speeds, trying to get as much fuel economy as possible while zorching around at 400 mph, and 4-5 Jug-N's at that altitude and speed were pretty lethal. We'd just chase the darbar.
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No, because it was the best performer out of them. It also had some VERY VERY nice skins. Down side to it now is the WEP is gone and it's slow as a stone boat.
So you take it that correcting inaccuracies is "ruining" something? I see it as fixing something.
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My squaddies and I a couple of years ago, used to grab P-47Ns with max drop tanks and 100%, climb up to about 30,000 feet, and patrol around the map looking for high-altitude bombers. It was good practice at staying together at high speeds, trying to get as much fuel economy as possible while zorching around at 400 mph, and 4-5 Jug-N's at that altitude and speed were pretty lethal. We'd just chase the darbar.
That's what I used to do!
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It PWNS joo? :neener:
Nope. They are better in pairs. :)
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I flew the N Jug for the first time in quite some time (I'd guess atleast a year) and wow...what a monster.
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+1 D-11 my #1 Jug ride
Still want the D-21/23 paddle prop more fuel/ord, if you want it, excellent climb rate and the best looking WWII fighter in my personal opinion.
Half the D-11 skins in the game are actually later 1944 universal wing models. Broken record on this but looking forward to the day when we get'em.
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Wonder how prevalent this was during the war? As if 8x50's aren't bad enough.
Perks for ord any one? :O
http://www.fold3.com/image/#39053692
http://www.fold3.com/image/#32443925
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Wonder how prevalent this was during the war? As if 8x50's aren't bad enough.
Perks for ord any one? :O
http://www.fold3.com/image/#39053692
http://www.fold3.com/image/#32443925
Never read any history on this. Given that the 78th was an 8th AF FG, I find the armament a bit strange. Could only have been for ground attack, maybe in the follow up operations to Market Garden, as they would have needed fuel tanks for escort duty. Cool pics though Lyric, as always...
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I read the 20mm cannon pods were experimental and never really were utilized extensively~ I'll try to find the source. 8x .50s seems like it should be enough for any job.
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Wonder how prevalent this was during the war? As if 8x50's aren't bad enough.
Perks for ord any one? :O
http://www.fold3.com/image/#39053692
http://www.fold3.com/image/#32443925
Those underwing gun pods would be cool!
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I tend the fly the D-40 most, unless I need range then I take the N model.
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"I read the 20mm cannon pods were experimental and never really were utilized extensively~ I'll try to find the source. 8x .50s seems like it should be enough for any job."
You rather need to ask why did they try them in the first place? I think it was the other way around. There is something a 20mm Hisso can do that no amount of .50 can do, but such pod installation was just not worth the perfomance penalty or that it reserved the wing loading point from a bomb. But of course at that time and situation the 8 .50s were generally good enough.
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Nice Color WW2 P-47 video. The shooting starts 2 minutes in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUW-i9jn8Sg&feature=related
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Nice Color WW2 P-47 video. The shooting starts 2 minutes in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUW-i9jn8Sg&feature=related
Nice video!
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I read the 20mm cannon pods were experimental and never really were utilized extensively~ I'll try to find the source. 8x .50s seems like it should be enough for any job.
^^^^ What he said. It was only experimental a created a lot of drag.
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"I read the 20mm cannon pods were experimental and never really were utilized extensively~ I'll try to find the source. 8x .50s seems like it should be enough for any job."
You rather need to ask why did they try them in the first place? I think it was the other way around. There is something a 20mm Hisso can do that no amount of .50 can do, but such pod installation was just not worth the perfomance penalty or that it reserved the wing loading point from a bomb. But of course at that time and situation the 8 .50s were generally good enough.
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Them doing this was on the same level as to P-38 carrying torpedoes and troop carry pods.
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Thunderbolts don't kill people, I kill people; with Thunderbolts.
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Them doing this was on the same level as to P-38 carrying torpedoes and troop carry pods.
The troop carrying pods for the P-38 weren't experimental and were used, though not often.
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They also made ice cream by putting cream and sugar in drop tanks and flying to altitude to freeze it~ I suppose that could be a perk option for resupplying a base. :lol
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The troop carrying pods for the P-38 weren't experimental and were used, though not often.
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I remember when you talked about the troop carrying pods, but do not recall if they actually used that method, thanks for correcting me on that. As for the torpedoes, was that experimental or was it practical?
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I remember when you talked about the troop carrying pods, but do not recall if they actually used that method, thanks for correcting me on that. As for the torpedoes, was that experimental or was it practical?
experimental only with the torpedoes.
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Nice discussion. I haven't logged in and flew in what seems like a millineum, and there are many planes modeled now thyat weren't when I was active. When I was with the 56th FG, we learned and flew the D11 and D40 the way it was supposed to flown and did quite well with it. we would go up in a group in an event or in the MA when our individual schedules allowed, and we terrorized.
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I thought that aerial Torpedoes were all but phased out by all air forces well before the end of the war.
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Nice discussion. I haven't logged in and flew in what seems like a millineum, and there are many planes modeled now thyat weren't when I was active. When I was with the 56th FG, we learned and flew the D11 and D40 the way it was supposed to flown and did quite well with it. we would go up in a group in an event or in the MA when our individual schedules allowed, and we terrorized.
Ammo, how the hell have you been? It's great to see you here.
For those who wouldn't know, Ammo was one of my mentors when I first started playing a very long time ago.
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I thought that aerial Torpedoes were all but phased out by all air forces well before the end of the war.
USAAF was experimenting with glide torpedoes dropped from B-25Js during the last couple of weeks of the war.
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Ammo, how the hell have you been? It's great to see you here.
For those who wouldn't know, Ammo was one of my mentors when I first started playing a very long time ago.
Doing great WW. I have been all over the place but have been working in Germany since 2006. Retired from the USAF last year and took one of those silly DOD civilian jobs.
I have missd AH for a long time and seriously considering buying a desktop computer and gear so I can start again. I would definitely be a rookie again if I do so:)
Hope all is well with you!
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(http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss147/tnelson3_bucket/WWII/Untitled-1.jpg)
I want to be this guy...
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If you see a P-47 with a red icon and it's LePape , chances are your gonna get hurt .