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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 15, 2011, 02:20:25 PM
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Microsoft just announced a hotfix that will boost their performance: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2592546/
Currently, the performance of AMD Bulldozer CPUs is slower than expected. This behavior occurs because the threading logic in Windows 7 and in Windows Server 2008 R2 is not optimized to use the Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT) scheduling feature. This feature was introduced in the Bulldozer family of AMD CPUs.
Note This issue may occur when you use applications that run in multiple threads.
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Nice find. I'll have to re-run my tests. I had a funny feeling the thread manager (same one since Windows XP) might be a problem. It really is an archaic work which should have been replaced a long time ago.
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win8DP has the patch pre-installed. been running it on stock cooler w/ one INT unit per module;
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv4/wuttzi/CCIMG8.png)
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heya skribetm,
how do you like win8 DP so far?
I saw this below article the other day, regarding MS and windows 8, and it makes a person wonder ya know.......
Windows 8 Apps Can be Remotely Removed by Microsoft
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/windows_8_apps_can_be_remotely_removed_microsoft
have not had the chance to do any indepth reading on Windows 8, yet........ I do have a developerscopy, just have not bother to mess with on installing it or anything........ I'll prob hold off until its in closed beta testing and past the developers stage or right before they get close to RC1 version......... if I mess with it at all........ not to interested in clouds & beaming , but then I still have not dug into reading up on it ......
how do you like your FX AMD cpu?......... do you have a Win 7 64 bit OS installed anywhere ( dif partition, perhaps ) ........ have you tried the above posted hotfix, MrRipley posted about?
what's your opinion on your FX verses the Top End Phenom II quad or 6 core cpus? like the x4 975 or 980 or the t1100x6 ?compared to your FX8120?
I was able to get my 975 x4 to autotune OC to 4.85 ghz , at 4.9 it couldn't stay stable on air cool with the case closed.......... ( I had posted about it on the squad mail list, but had a typo and posted 4.95 ......... I bet if I manually went and tweaked on it I could maybe get it up to that 4.9 or 4.95....... )
I had thought bout upgrading to the FX4100 but not sure if it will be really worth it.......... will wait and see when more data comes in......
nice pic on the overdrive, also over in the Beta forum where you posted some in game pics with your clipboard graphics settings showing.......
TC
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can't wait to hear about skuzzytech new test results :)
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thanks TC! this CPU has been fun to say the least. :D :D :D
recalling the first k10/deneb core (Phenom II 940BE) just over two years ago- it could barely get to 4.0GHz w/ an aftermarket air cooler and it was only for a cpu-z screeny, not stable at all.
now you have this FX 32nm, on stock cooler(can't emphasize that enough!), easily reaching 4.7GHz stable and playing AH. no wonder it broke the cpu-frequency world record, and just like k10 cores- no cold bugs! ;)
as for comparison, it really depends on the workload. an fx-8120 feels much like a "workstation CPU" at stock freqs(3.1); but where it really shines on are environments w/ a lot of heavy threads.
thats why i disabled one compute unit and jacked up the frequency. once you step on 4.0GHz, there isn't really anything at all that "feels slow." specially with an ssd.
re: win8DP, i've not had any trouble/crashes with it, the metro interface is annoying though. better suited for tablets. hope they include an option to disable it.
also, i never store anything sensitive on this machine. all my por.. err... tax returns, personal pictures, etc. are stored via a detachable hdd/esata.
you never know what data m$ is gathering in the background- specially on a free developer preview build.
also, i would suggest waiting for the fx-4170 (1Q/2012) (http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%20FX-4170%20FD4170FRW4KGU.html) if you're upgrading from a k10 quad. that thing has 4.2 base freqs, crazy!
btw, i assume you have a custom water loop to cool your amd machine? ...
re: patch- m$ yanked the update, it's not available anymore.(?) :( :confused: :confused:
i haven't ran win7 (w/o patch) so i can't really compare, but for AH i doubt there's any significant performance improvements.
there's more feedback here, however. (http://www.overclock.net/t/1185039/the-1st-windows-7-scheduler-patch-results-are-in-have-fun)
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv4/wuttzi/win8bd.png)
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Side note: TC, the Microsoft tracking system was implemented in Windows 7. Microsoft knows about every ICON you click on, every application you install and remove, and every site you visit on the Internet. Windows 8 takes it to the next level giving Microsoft actual control to be able to override you on your computer, should they chose to do so.
They will be able to inhibit apps, remove them, install them, view your desktop remotely while you are using it and a few other things I have not figured out yet.
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Why would MS want to fiddle with my PC?
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Before anyone gets all indignant about MS having direct control over your computer, as well as being able to collect any information they want from it, you agreed to it via the MS licensing agreement.
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Before anyone gets all indignant about MS having direct control over your computer, as well as being able to collect any information they want from it, you agreed to it via the MS licensing agreement.
yep that, and didn't we individually allow this by way of installing / using the .Net framework? I mean wasn't we forwarned of them being able to flip on the switch when ever they felt the desire to?
( or is this something totally new(er) than the .net framework stuff? )
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As long as you stay offline MS can't do diddly doo :P
I guess it's time to implement hardware firewall with block first, ask questions later policy. Only port 80 and game ports open. Internet banking etc. is best done on osx/linux anyway.
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As long as you stay offline MS can't do diddly doo :P
I guess it's time to implement hardware firewall with block first, ask questions later policy. Only port 80 and game ports open. Internet banking etc. is best done on osx/linux anyway.
Uh, you do realize that most of the data they collect is via the updates? MS stores most information and then sends it when you do an update to the OS. They make people feel warm and fuzzy by declaring no personal information is sent to MS, but then you need to look up what MS defines as "personal information". Bank numbers, routing numbers, credit/debit card numbers, are personal. Anything related to the operation of the computer is up for grabs, including but not limited to anything you do with the computer outside or purchasing things over the Internet.
Now, as to how they will or could control your computer, it could be a simple matter of messages passed during updates. They could be scheduled, or real time. I'll know more when I take a look further into Windows 8. Windows 7 just gathers data. Windows 8 adds remote control for MS to use.
They are just taking a clue from Google and Apple in how they can do the same things with the smart phones. Or did you not know every text message anyone sends is recorded, and that they gather GPS data from the phone? They also push apps to the phone without you knowing about it. They can do anything they want with those phones.
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you agreed to it via the MS licensing agreement.
You mean the "By unwrapping this package you agree to the agreement which is inside the package" and which is not identical with the one for the same product found in the Internet or elsewhere outside the package?
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Uh, you do realize that most of the data they collect is via the updates?
Yes I do understand that. But since I use windows only for playing games I can pretty much lock it up, updates included.
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Yes I do understand that. But since I use windows only for playing games I can pretty much lock it up, updates included.
You can do what I do. Manually download the updates from another computer. Copy them to DVD/CD, then install them on your computer. At the same time I update my build with the new patches.
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Yes I do understand that. But since I use windows only for playing games I can pretty much lock it up, updates included.
:headscratch: If you use it only for games, what are you afraid of then? :headscratch: :D
You guys are sometimes so paranoid. :D :noid
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:headscratch: If you use it only for games, what are you afraid of then? :headscratch: :D
You guys are sometimes so paranoid. :D :noid
Nothing to do with being paranoid. I have no desire to allow some MS employee access to my computer.
The fact they are doing what they are doing is basis for reacting in a couple of different ways. You can ignore it or you can fight it. Simple really.
I do not advocate doing anything at all, but you cannot make an informed decision without being informed first. Those who chose to remain in ignorant bliss are free to do so.
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Those who chose to remain in ignorant bliss are free to do so.
I can picture Roy right now taking a bite of a steak in the Matrix... :lol
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They are just taking a clue from Google and Apple in how they can do the same things with the smart phones. Or did you not know every text message anyone sends is recorded, and that they gather GPS data from the phone? They also push apps to the phone without you knowing about it. They can do anything they want with those phones.
I was cleaning up my gaming rig about a month ago. I had gotten rid of everything except the Google Toolbar and the game was running just fine. However, when I went on the internet an otherwise very fast system went to a crawl. My theory is that the Google Toolbar was extracting a ton of information in the background. Shortly after that I deleted the toolbar. Google wanted to know why. I told them it was too intrusive or something to that effect. Afterwards I never had another problem with gaming performance.
It really scares me that MS is now able to take control over your computer. If MS can do this and has it setup to do so who else can get that authority and for what purpose?
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You can do what I do. Manually download the updates from another computer. Copy them to DVD/CD, then install them on your computer. At the same time I update my build with the new patches.
Or you could use WSUS
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It really scares me that MS is now able to take control over your computer. If MS can do this and has it setup to do so who else can get that authority and for what purpose?
Linux and OSX are catching up fast. MS is digging its own grave, opening a huge market for alternative OSes basically.
Linux is getting better and better at running windows games and soon there will be a day that we can switch without losing too much in the process. Sure Dx11 or Dx12 won't work for a while but at least MS can't remote control your life.
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Skuzzy, keep us posted on the Bulldozer trials.
Thanks!
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I'm not really that concerned with MS knowing where I've been (boring) but it seems this would be both a blessing and a curse for homeland security. I wonder where they figure into this? Somewhere directly in the middle I'd guess.
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I almost asked, whose homeland are you talking about, but then i got on second thoughts.
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from anandtech
Update: VR-Zone reports (and we can confirm) that the download link for the hotfix is no longer functional. There were apparently unexpected performance drops in some cases after applying the hotfix and Microsoft is investigating the issues. Modifying the scheduler in Windows is not something to be done lightly, as it changes a core element of the OS, so more testing and validation for such updates is always a good idea.
Update 2: Apparently there is a second part to the hotfix that was not pushed live, and this hotfix was pushed live prematurely.
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Microsoft withdraws Bulldozer patch:
http://fudzilla.com/processors/item/25262-microsoft-withdraws-bulldozer-patch
Basically they jumped the gun, it was useless without the other half. Revoked it right away.
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Saw that. I am on hold again.