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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: MK-84 on December 15, 2011, 10:19:34 PM
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I upped a Tiger1 to attack an enemies Vbase.
I decided to stay well back, and use my superior sights and cannon to their fullest advantage. This was a long drive!
This is what bothers me to no end. One of the defenders parked his perk tank on the base, and whenever I hit him, or got him sighted in, he'd "land" denying me of a possible kill.
So I drive a fairly long ways, risking my perks against some as#@$#% who is hardly risking anything and making me waste my ammo. This person did it repeatedly.
This was probably the first truley non-fun moment I've had in AH. And to the jerk who was doing this, thanks alot for making that completely unenjoyable.
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LOL I can think of 4 people that this probably was.. Out of those 4 though I'm pretty sure I know which one though cause he did the same thing to me.
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Well. You stayed far behind so you wouldn't get killed so easy, and he outsmarted you. Who exactly was gaming the game?
Semp
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Well. You stayed far behind so you wouldn't get killed so easy, and he outsmarted you. Who exactly was gaming the game?
Semp
:rofl nice!
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Well. You stayed far behind so you wouldn't get killed so easy, and he outsmarted you. Who exactly was gaming the game?
Semp
:huh
You're saying that using a Tigers attributes to their potential is as "gamey" as magically landing your your tank to avoid being killed?
and again...
:huh
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:huh
You're saying that using a Tigers attributes to their potential is as "gamey" as magically landing your your tank to avoid being killed?
and again...
:huh
magically landing your your tank?
Guess you should have killed him in one shot.
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Dood , I totally would have done what you did but at the same time, I would have done what he did. There is no fault in what either of you did. You play in a way which gives you the most advantage.
It's not the same as getting ho'd or rammed. It really sucks, I totally agree with you, but he took advantage of his position just like you did.
Semp
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I was in the Firelfy, and got 2 assist and a kill on you and you got 1 kill on me. I :salute you for being brave enough to bring a Tiger over knowing full well that most defenders were going to sit on the concrete.
I believe know who the guy was who did the tower out retreat, but the way he was hollering it as if his turret was out.
Either way, I say you got the better end of the deal. You tied up a lot of Rooks with your cat-n-mouse games. :aok
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magically landing your your tank?
Yes, magically. I'd like to see ya make a tank disappear like that IRL.
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...it's kind of like how tanks "magically appear" in a spawn hangar. I hate that!
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Well. You stayed far behind so you wouldn't get killed so easy, and he outsmarted you. Who exactly was gaming the game?
Semp
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I was in the Firelfy, and got 2 assist and a kill on you and you got 1 kill on me. I :salute you for being brave enough to bring a Tiger over knowing full well that most defenders were going to sit on the concrete.
I believe know who the guy was who did the tower out retreat, but the way he was hollering it as if his turret was out.
Either way, I say you got the better end of the deal. You tied up a lot of Rooks with your cat-n-mouse games. :aok
I understand if your turrets out...or your tanks disabled and you want to get back into the action. But this person was repeatedly doing it as part of their strategy, including towering out when my shells got close but didnt even yet hit. Thats what I'm not happy about.
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No diff than spawning a plane under vulch conditions and baiting them into ack and .ef when they get into guns range. I've seen this done. I've done it myself at times.
Aim better - get them in 1-2 shots not 3-4. :aok
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I upped a Tiger1 to attack an enemies Vbase.
I decided to stay well back, and use my superior sights and cannon to their fullest advantage. This was a long drive!
This is what bothers me to no end. One of the defenders parked his perk tank on the base, and whenever I hit him, or got him sighted in, he'd "land" denying me of a possible kill.
So I drive a fairly long ways, risking my perks against some as#@$#% who is hardly risking anything and making me waste my ammo. This person did it repeatedly.
This was probably the first truley non-fun moment I've had in AH. And to the jerk who was doing this, thanks alot for making that completely unenjoyable.
And this is where "honor" or "class" comes into play. I know many will say "theres no honor in a game, your playing to win!" I say BS. If you have honor and class as part of you in real life you can have it in the game as well. Personally had I been the guy on the base instead of wussin' out and and towering out each time MK-84 got close I'd move around on the base, change my range and position and make it harder for him to get me. I'd give him the same chance to kill me as I have to kill him. After all it's a game and nobody really dies.
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No diff than spawning a plane under vulch conditions and baiting them into ack and .ef when they get into guns range. I've seen this done. I've done it myself at times.
Aim better - get them in 1-2 shots not 3-4. :aok
I would agree, but...
I am also inclined to point out the irony of the following:
"I'm always right, it just takes some poepl longer to come to that realization than others."
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I will be the jerk that towers out before being bombed in a Wirbel, but never in a Tank Killer. Unless i'm in a spawn battle where I am being camped, it is my opinion that the guy who has me sighted in and is hitting me from a long distance deserves the kill.
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:huh
You're saying that using a Tigers attributes to their potential is as "gamey" as magically landing your your tank to avoid being killed?
and again...
:huh
He didn't magically land. He is at his base.
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I think if you get hit you shouldnt be able to land succesfully until you killed the enemy(s) that have hits on you.
and also set a time limit before you can land after taking a tank out.
so maybe somthing like this
Panzer (both models) : 45 seconds
M4 (75) & (76): 50 seconds
VC Firefly: 80 seconds
Panther: 100 seconds
Tiger1: 140 seconds
Tiger2: 200 seconds.
those are the minimum times they have to be out before they can land. that way you have a fair chance of snapping in and getting shots. especially for when people will do this 30 times wasting your ammo then running you down when you're out of ammo
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I think if you get hit you shouldnt be able to land succesfully until you killed the enemy(s) that have hits on you.
Cool, all I have to do now is tagging an enemy perk tang once from distance and then run away in my M-8. :joystick:
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I think if you get hit you shouldnt be able to land succesfully until you killed the enemy(s) that have hits on you.
and also set a time limit before you can land after taking a tank out.
so maybe somthing like this
Panzer (both models) : 45 seconds
M4 (75) & (76): 50 seconds
VC Firefly: 80 seconds
Panther: 100 seconds
Tiger1: 140 seconds
Tiger2: 200 seconds.
those are the minimum times they have to be out before they can land. that way you have a fair chance of snapping in and getting shots. especially for when people will do this 30 times wasting your ammo then running you down when you're out of ammo
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How about just make it so every plane/vehicle has to land back in the hangar. None of this towering out on the runway crap, and if your hangars down.... you can't tower out. That way I can kill the spawn hangar then camp the heck out of the base and not have to worry about guys towering out?
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Cool, all I have to do now is tagging an enemy perk tang once from distance and then run away in my M-8. :joystick:
but then the 6k yards applies. if you go further then that distance or get killed hes safe.
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but then the 6k yards applies. if you go further then that distance or get killed hes safe.
6k is quite a bit. Run away, and hide in a barn. He can't even know for sure if he can safely land or not.
Very much impractical.
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He didn't magically land. He is at his base.
No kidding, you're either trying to miss the point on purpose, or...dude you seriously dont get where I was going with that? :confused:
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How about just make it so every plane/vehicle has to land back in the hangar. None of this towering out on the runway crap, and if your hangars down.... you can't tower out. That way I can kill the spawn hangar then camp the heck out of the base and not have to worry about guys towering out?
This is a game. Like it or not. There are certain sacrifices in realism that are made in order for the game to be fun. My idea of fun isnt taxiing all over the runway to get to a hanger in order to end my flight. Do I have to file an AAR with my CO too? Wait till my plane is refueled to re-up again? I might just have enough time to get a coffee in the O'club. Should HTC model a hyper realistic bicycle simulation so I can have my cartoon pilot ride it to the o club for a cup of coffee? While were at it, we should eliminate all communication except for people in our general vicinity. And even then, it should sound like crap because this is the 1940s after all and the radios were not that good. Ohhh...pilots should also get tired as they fly. The more missions you play, the less responsive your toon will be! But dont worry...we will have a cot you can have your guy sleep in. After 8 hours or so he will be fresh again to fly another mission or 2. Also..none of this planes and vehicles spawning from thin air crap.....All game objects will be manufactured in a factory and shipped to the front lines. We will have to create a sim for the factory workers too! I cant wait to play that.
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I want to be a sim riveter in a factory, I hear that's where all the women worked.
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I will be the jerk that towers out before being bombed in a Wirbel, but never in a Tank Killer. Unless i'm in a spawn battle where I am being camped, it is my opinion that the guy who has me sighted in and is hitting me from a long distance deserves the kill.
ok so you are in plane killing Gv and you tower out when a plane attacks you? really?
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Require vehicles to be in the VH hangar on the base, or the remains of it, in order to land. This also solves the problem of the Wirbelwind towering out.
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Require vehicles to be in the VH hangar on the base, or the remains of it, in order to land. This also solves the problem of the Wirbelwind towering out.
That sounds like the best solution proposed yet
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That sounds like the best solution proposed yet
Yeah, it is hard to fight from inside a building. :p
Also, aircraft have restrictions, they must be on a runway (or GV base, it works but shouldn't), if they are in the grass next to a runway they still get a ditch. It is much easier to get a GV to a particular point, so having to be inside the vehicle hangar seems fair to me.
The defender in a Tiger II will still have the advantage as after losing his turret it will be a short drive back to his VH to tower.
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Also, aircraft have restrictions, they must be on a runway (or GV base, it works but shouldn't), if they are in the grass next to a runway they still get a ditch. It is much easier to get a GV to a particular point, so having to be inside the vehicle hangar seems fair to me.
The defender in a Tiger II will still have the advantage as after losing his turret it will be a short drive back to his VH to tower.
... which may in turn expose him to the killing shot. :D
The idea has some merit to it, though I think the whole GV landing system is worthy of a more general overhaul. Especially the attacker spawning to an enemy vehicle base has already thrown his perks away. With the Storch based there he now hasn't even a small chance left to disengage from the fight and get the 6K separation unless the base has been smashed and capped by friendly forces.
I really would like to see a way that would encourage players to risk their perks in combat instead of using the highly perked tanks in defense only (concrete sitters) vs incoming 'cheap' targets. Way too little big tank vs big tank action for my taste.
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ok so you are in plane killing Gv and you tower out when a plane attacks you? really?
Yup, the whines are great :)
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No kidding, you're either trying to miss the point on purpose, or...dude you seriously dont get where I was going with that? :confused:
I got your point but you missed mine.
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Yup, the whines are great :)
:rofl
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Why don't they just implement a tower-out timer?
Takes 3-5 seconds to tower out. That would still allow you to tower out when on concrete, you just better be damned sure it's safe. It would also keep people from camping the "tower-out" spots on the tarmac, which I imagine would infuriate people more than what happens in the OP.
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Most are afraid to lose perks, some really don't have that many - veterans who have more then they need simply dont care about losing them.
Another key is most are rookies, they know if they leave the concrete they will simply be killed, so its kind of a two way street.
Its only perks, if you lose a few, then you farm them back, then lose them again....Vicious cycle, its called learning the game - if you don't lose them you will never learn to play fully, hiding on concrete will not teach you how to flank tanks or set up ambushes.
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Most are afraid to lose perks, some really don't have that many - veterans who have more then they need simply dont care about losing them.
Another key is most are rookies, they know if they leave the concrete they will simply be killed, so its kind of a two way street.
Its only perks, if you lose a few, then you farm them back, then lose them again....Vicious cycle, its called learning the game - if you don't lose them you will never learn to play fully, hiding on concrete will not teach you how to flank tanks or set up ambushes.
butcher hiding from 2 or 3k out is not really being brave either. how many times have we hit a tank just to have it pick up supplies? not really any different than sitting on concrete. you can try and say one thing is better than the other but fact is you will take advantage of whatever you have in order to get some kills and not be killed.
semp
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There is nothing wrong with using a Tiger to snipe from a long distance. What are you using the perks for if not for that?
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I deliberately spell it that way. :aok
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I upped a Tiger1 to attack an enemies Vbase.
I decided to stay well back, and use my superior sights and cannon to their fullest advantage. This was a long drive!
This is what bothers me to no end. One of the defenders parked his perk tank on the base, and whenever I hit him, or got him sighted in, he'd "land" denying me of a possible kill.
So I drive a fairly long ways, risking my perks against some as#@$#% who is hardly risking anything and making me waste my ammo. This person did it repeatedly.
This was probably the first truley non-fun moment I've had in AH. And to the jerk who was doing this, thanks alot for making that completely unenjoyable.
:rofl
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This is what bothers me to no end. One of the defenders parked his perk tank on the base, and whenever I hit him, or got him sighted in, he'd "land" denying me of a possible kill.
Am I incorrect in reading this as 'camping' the base? Maybe if you let him leave the base this wouldn't of happened.
I rarely GV, but that is the way I read it.
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Why don't they just implement a tower-out timer?
Ive always advocated this - 20s tower out timer (and yes it should apply to aircraft too.) gives GVs a chance to finish off the enemy before he magically towers. same delay for GV supps to take effect too, the supps are just as gamey.
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I upped a Tiger1 to attack an enemies Vbase.
I decided to stay well back, and use my superior sights and cannon to their fullest advantage. This was a long drive!
This is what bothers me to no end. One of the defenders parked his perk tank on the base, and whenever I hit him, or got him sighted in, he'd "land" denying me of a possible kill.
So I drive a fairly long ways, risking my perks against some as#@$#% who is hardly risking anything and making me waste my ammo. This person did it repeatedly.
This was probably the first truley non-fun moment I've had in AH. And to the jerk who was doing this, thanks alot for making that completely unenjoyable.
Would you be :furious if I were to bomb you just after killing your engine in your comfy little hiding spot?
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This is just another whine about an age old issue. Trying to get easy GV kills at a GV base without taking out the hangers first.
If the hangers are out the GV's won't tower or they allow you access. As long as the hangers stand the GV's can tower and respawn at will maintaining thier advantage.
I had a highly ranked player keep trying to bomb my wirble from an alt I couldn't easily reach one night. He'd drop, I'd tower and respawn, he'd drop, I'd tower and respawn. He PM'd me; "Like having to keep towering out?". I PM'd back "Like dropping your ord on nothing?" In the end my base was undamaged and he was out of ord. It's a game and as long as I have a hanger to spawn from I'll play that every day. Similarily while in an attack plane I won't drop on a guy on concrete unless I know he's distracted or the hangers are down. I don't like wasting ord.
The same goes for GV to GV. Same issue, same whine.
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I had a highly ranked player keep trying to bomb my wirble from an alt I couldn't easily reach one night. He'd drop, I'd tower and respawn, he'd drop, I'd tower and respawn. He PM'd me; "Like having to keep towering out?". I PM'd back "Like dropping your ord on nothing?" In the end my base was undamaged and he was out of ord. It's a game and as long as I have a hanger to spawn from I'll play that every day. Similarily while in an attack plane I won't drop on a guy on concrete unless I know he's distracted or the hangers are down. I don't like wasting ord.
This is why I tower out before being killed in a wirbel. I only up wirbelwinds when I can't get a plane in the air due to enemy cappers. More often than not, folks will try to bomb my wirbel before the VH is taken out. It's all about the name in lights of course :). It's funny, I have been PM'd multiple times for doing it. I just laugh.
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If the hangers are out the GV's won't tower or they allow you access. As long as the hangers stand the GV's can tower and respawn at will maintaining thier advantage.
That's true! Good point.
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Putting a "cool down" on towering out if hit by an enemy is a pretty good idea IMO.. if you get pinged you cannot /.ef for say 30 sec or until the other guys is dead OR out of icon range.
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Putting a "cool down" on towering out if hit by an enemy is a pretty good idea IMO.. if you get pinged you cannot /.ef for say 30 sec or until the other guys is dead OR out of icon range.
30 seconds is kind of a long time, and I personally might find that more frustrating than helpful (particularly when I know the base is clear). I was thinking more along the lines of 5 seconds, most bombs/tank rounds don't take more than 5 seconds to reach their target anyway.
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maybe just enough time to allow a tank to put 2 or 3 more shells down range to finish him off then - 10s?
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Wow I can't believe anyone has to tower out. While I'm tooling around in my 38 I don't do anything and end up in the tower. :P
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Wow I can't believe anyone has to tower out. While I'm tooling around in my 38 I don't do anything and end up in the tower.
I sense that we will not understand the truck war people. Spawning, camping, towering....I think I'm comfortable in my ignorance.
- oldman
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I sense that we will not understand the truck war people. Spawning, camping, towering....I think I'm comfortable in my ignorance.
- oldman
Admit it... You stay in the air because of the dangers of hitting a Moose... :D
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I was thinking, "At least you didn't get bomb- "T" ded" :D
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shoulda just grabbed a ar234 or A20. You hate when vehicles stay on concrete, they hate when you keep passing over dumping ord on em. Once they spawn out if you are in the A-20 just drop a 500lb on the hangar they spawn out of every oh 45 seconds until it goes down or you get enough kills on them trying to start up :aok
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Yes, magically. I'd like to see ya make a tank disappear like that IRL.
thats what they have these for:
(http://www.fas.org/man//dod-101/sys/ac/a-10-19990422-f-7910d-509.jpg)
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Well. You stayed far behind so you wouldn't get killed so easy, and he outsmarted you. Who exactly was gaming the game?
Semp
"outsmarted"!!!??? No. The towering lilWimp that was unwilling to even TRY- was gaming the game, OBVIOUSLY. YOU know it, everyone reading this knows it, and any other claims are just attempts to justify the breakage of the spirit of gameplay. I didnt call it cheating, just an INCREDIBLE lack of ANY kind of character upon the part of the "cheatcode generation" mentality of the towering child. If you REALLY dont see anything wrong with this, then you have zero self asteem and probably cheat against yourself in solitare, then celebrate aboot beating yourself.
Lol at the lying ,cheating, win at all cost losers. Try actually playing as indended, do it over and over again, youll get better-and EVEntually you wont HAVE to pull gradeschool BS like that, cause you might actually gain the skill to win from a disadvantage. Or at least TRY. :ahand
elfy
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"outsmarted"!!!??? No. The towering lilWimp that was unwilling to even TRY- was gaming the game, OBVIOUSLY. YOU know it, everyone reading this knows it, and any other claims are just attempts to justify the breakage of the spirit of gameplay. I didnt call it cheating, just an INCREDIBLE lack of ANY kind of character upon the part of the "cheatcode generation" mentality of the towering child. If you REALLY dont see anything wrong with this, then you have zero self asteem and probably cheat against yourself in solitare, then celebrate aboot beating yourself.
Lol at the lying ,cheating, win at all cost losers. Try actually playing as indended, do it over and over again, youll get better-and EVEntually you wont HAVE to pull gradeschool BS like that, cause you might actually gain the skill to win from a disadvantage. Or at least TRY. :ahand
elfy
I outsmart them. If not on concrete, I wont drop.
Saves a lot of frustration.
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whats the diff when you try to vulch someone on the runway and he tower's out? is it considered ok if you up...I.E a 262? you come to attack and he came to defend... you dun like him towering out... he dun like you attacking his base...you dun like him towering out.. go closer... and do not use the tiger's awesome zoom lenses and 88 guns and try to snipe someone 2-3k away......TAKE THE GAME AS IT IS my friend and stop whining! this is what i learnt recently from some others... :salute
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"outsmarted"!!!??? No. The towering lilWimp that was unwilling to even TRY- was gaming the game, OBVIOUSLY. YOU know it, everyone reading this knows it, and any other claims are just attempts to justify the breakage of the spirit of gameplay. I didnt call it cheating, just an INCREDIBLE lack of ANY kind of character upon the part of the "cheatcode generation" mentality of the towering child. If you REALLY dont see anything wrong with this, then you have zero self asteem and probably cheat against yourself in solitare, then celebrate aboot beating yourself.
Lol at the lying ,cheating, win at all cost losers. Try actually playing as indended, do it over and over again, youll get better-and EVEntually you wont HAVE to pull gradeschool BS like that, cause you might actually gain the skill to win from a disadvantage. Or at least TRY. :ahand
elfy
dude, he was sitting way in the back in a tiger where he can pick anything that gets close to him way before another tank can damage him. and he complains about another guy who sat on the concrete with the same intention of not getting killed. so who exactly was gaming the game?
It's like me staying 20k above a field and picking guys taking off them climb up to 20k and complain because the other guy ran to ack and landed his plane instead of staying with a damaged plane and let me pick him off again.
I see nothing wrong with sitting in the back and picking people off, at the same time the other guy did nothing wrong either. they both took advantage of what the game offered.
semp
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If I'm in a tiger, and they're in a tiger, and its long range.
They're sitting on concrete, at their base. I'm not.
How am I picking? how am I gaming the game? If I .ef I die. If they .ef they "land"
Everyone know's, including youself what I am getting at. So listen to what I'm saying, not how I'm saying it.
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If I'm in a tiger, and they're in a tiger, and its long range.
They're sitting on concrete, at their base. I'm not.
How am I picking? how am I gaming the game? If I .ef I die. If they .ef they "land"
Everyone know's, including youself what I am getting at. So listen to what I'm saying, not how I'm saying it.
I am listening and it sucks, but you both gaming the game. had you been sitting on a bunch of supplies and he kept knocking your turret out, you woudnt agree with him if this was his post would you?
pressing .ef is not any different that having supplies right next to you.
and the only reason you would bring a tiger is to pick tanks from far away. I am pretty sure you had no intention of taking the base.
semp
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So far you've stated:
I was picking
I probably was sitting with a bunch of supplies
I wasn't trying to take the base
you've also suggested that I was purposely trying to take advantage of the system
And you were not there as a witness to any of it. Do you really need to make up reasons why I have to be wrong?
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No what I'm saying is that neither of you is wrong. You fought with whatever was available to both of you and allowed by the game. Was it frustrating for you, yes I totally agree with you it totally sucks. But there's nothing wrong with what he did as he took as much advantage of the situation as you did.
Semp
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look at our own collision model as it is... neither party is wrong... its just the way the system works... doesn't matter what your intentions were at all... i really dun blame you for feeling the way you do.,.. it sucks... but likewise i dun blame the guy who did it... cos it was saving him his own perks, or score, or trying to run your ammo dry... or even saving his own base... in the collision discussion they say just dun try to fly into each other... so i'm saying... drive closer and use that 88s to close down and get a kill with 1 shot... there... your problem is solved....
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:noid :noid :noid What is one of those " Tankie Thingys"? Does it fly? :airplane:
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:noid :noid :noid What is one of those " Tankie Thingys"? Does it fly? :airplane:
not with the new transmission. should've seen them fly downhill 6 months ago.
semp
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Wirbel towering out under my bombs used to really hack me off. It's like they take the cheap shots at ya, then chicken out.
I think that it's OK when being attacked by Lankstuka, Fortstuka, or Libstukas.. (Hmm, I suppose we'll have Nookstukas now with the 29 huh?)
But if you are being attacked by a single Dive Bombing plane, 1v1 and you tower out under his bombs? One of the weakest showings in the game!
Pathetic!
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The guy at his base was griefing you within the game's limits. He was trying to get under your skin, and he succeeded. This thread is proof.
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Aceshigh:
Where HO'ing somone is a distasteful move, But towering to avoid a tank round isent.
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(Hmm, I suppose we'll have Nookstukas now with the 29 huh?)
Only from people who want to throw away their bomber perks.
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Aceshigh:
Where HO'ing somone is a distasteful move, But towering to avoid a tank round isent.
It depends, if you kill someone 2-3 times and they bring back bomb's because they can't tank - towering out is acceptable.
You might even get a squad named after you for doing it.
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Dood , I totally would have done what you did but at the same time, I would have done what he did. There is no fault in what either of you did. You play in a way which gives you the most advantage.
It's not the same as getting ho'd or rammed. It really sucks, I totally agree with you, but he took advantage of his position just like you did.
Semp
of course its no fault its amoral... but the game dynamics make it un balanced game play. a game is implied to be balanced. if it was balanced the attacker should have a safe instant disapear get a new tank re apear option...