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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Daubie on December 17, 2011, 07:39:27 AM
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How does Aces High function once loaded?
Does it operate solely off the hard drive and would a faster rpm hard drive (7200 rpm) be a better choice for the i7 family CPUs? Or is it mostly operating within memory ram and or video ram or a bit of all three?
I was told by an IT guy, he not in to gaming, but networks, that a too slow hard drive would cause my i7-920 CPU to idle, waiting for info if the hard drive was running too slow, and while idling, overheat.
Also if an i7 series CPU is not adequately cooled, it will idle down to a slower speed.
I put a V8 supercooler on my Asus P6T Deluxe mb after using the Intel stock fan which ran too hot. I now run about 39C at idle or a bit below. With load about 50C.
Thoughts and answers by the guru types, please.
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How does Aces High function once loaded?
Does it operate solely off the hard drive and would a faster rpm hard drive (7200 rpm) be a better choice for the i7 family CPUs? Or is it mostly operating within memory ram and or video ram or a bit of all three?
I was told by an IT guy, he not in to gaming, but networks, that a too slow hard drive would cause my i7-920 CPU to idle, waiting for info if the hard drive was running too slow, and while idling, overheat.
Also if an i7 series CPU is not adequately cooled, it will idle down to a slower speed.
I put a V8 supercooler on my Asus P6T Deluxe mb after using the Intel stock fan which ran too hot. I now run about 39C at idle or a bit below. With load about 50C.
Thoughts and answers by the guru types, please.
Judging from the things told by the IT guy he's not really an IT guy at all (well, or at least he's VERY specialized on networking). A faster spinning HD is generally better and faster when compared to equal size HD with lower rpm. The larger your HDD is, generally the faster it tends to be.
There is no reason whatsoever to use anything slower than 7200rpm disks in your desktop computer. SSD is the best option you can get.
That stuff that your friend said about the CPU waiting and overheating is total bogus. Intel cpu's reduce power usage whenever they idle automatically so your cpu will cool down if anything. Also, any recent Intel cpu has a built in function called throttling which will reduce the clock speed if the CPU overheats (it is not any special feature of i7 or i anything).
However unless you have something seriously wrong in your build, your CPU should never get so hot. Ever.
Aces High will run mostly from memory but it will occasionally load textures and whatnot from the HDD. So a fast HDD is a good thing to have - but it will not have any visible impact on your framerates in game, all it can do is reduce microlag hiccups when sounds and textures are loaded.
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There's a few things ar play here and your IT guy was partially correct.
First of all AH loads most texures into memory so a faster HD won't help much except in initially loading the game. CPU, graphics card and memory are all more important however AH is also a 32 bit application and won't use more than 2 Gg of memory.
As far as your CPU there are two automatic thermal management systems and an optional one but any of the three can be turned off. Intel Speedstep (optional) throttles back the CPU when loads decrease. TM1 and TM2 throttle back, then eventually shut down the CPU when temeratures increase beyond specifications. Notice that in all cases the CPU is slowing down. This reduces required voltage to the CPU and thereby decreases temperatures, so an idling CPU will always run cooler than one under load.
BTW, your temps are just fine. Although specifications are much higher I feel I'm ok as long as I'm under 60C and my overclocked Core2Duo runs about the same temps as yours. When I was testing an overclock early on my CPU fan had come disconnected while flipping the case around. As I result I walked in to find my CPU up to around 100C and the thermal managers hadn't shut it down yet although that's near the threshold. It's been running fine for years afterward.
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Custom sounds and Hi res textures cause hiccups? :old:
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Aces High does a lot of updates to config files while it runs. Never, and I mean NEVER, run Aces High from an SSD. Long term, it will hurt your SSD as those devices do not do well when an application constantly writes and updates lots of small files.
There will be those that come along stating they run the game from an SSD just fine. Ask them how they are doing in a year. IT WILL WREAK HAVOC with any current generation SSD.
Generally, a 7200RPM drive will give better game performance for loading, but it also helps for the writes.
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near instant access to timelines when using filmviewer is more than enough consideration for running AH on an ssd.
add to that the hundredfold reduction in latencies. but if you really prefer an HDD, get one with the bigger cache.
all apps in windows load like a dream too. no more waiting on a spinning hdd.
also, reads/writes occurs all the time, even when just browsing the internet(temp files).
ssd adoption 2 or 3 years ago would have come with glitches. (remember lack of trim/garbage cleaning?)
with win7, trim support is by default. and no more need for defragging too. ahci hotplugging is also an added useful feature.
if you dont trust ssd's that much yet, try a 32GB one, they come cheap nowadays.
it's more than enough for a dedicated win7 install(~18GB/64-bit version) + AH(w/ custom sounds/skins/maps/etc.)
if you use 32-bit win7, since AH is only 32-bit anyways, the install size is smaller, at ~14GB.
just back-up/clone/mirror your SSD regularly(i suggest mirroring the clean install, using win7's clone tool).
that way if your ssd fails, just use your backup while you warranty it.
1. zdnet (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/windows-7-and-ssds-cutting-your-system-drive-down-to-size/2941?tag=content;siu-container)
2. howtogeek (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4241/how-to-create-a-system-image-in-windows-7/)
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Custom sounds and Hi res textures cause hiccups? :old:
Off topic, but I do not do this as you also have noticed. Fighters, bomber guns and Wirbles I run low resolution of 800x600 at 512 textures and do much better killing cons.
But if tanking I use my stock 23 inch resolution so I can see the tanks. I have to come out of game and reset it. The high texture pack I am sure would help the tank battle aspects of the game. But I don't use the hires textures and I also do not add any skins but just use the default ones. I try to run as lean as I can. I need to thin out my processes and Alacrity should do it now that I am setup in a 32-bit operating system on my F: drive and not using Aces High on my 64-bit that is my C: drive.
I think the weak link in my setup is I need a better video card than the GTX 260, and I need a faster stock speed CPU.
A year later and the GTX 580 video card is still $500 per card, times two if duo SLI.
I still am trying to find the common denominator to my Aces High performance issues. I think it is the limitation of my ISP and its DSL broadband. I am a half mile from the switching station as to DSL.
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There will be those that come along stating they run the game from an SSD just fine. Ask them how they are doing in a year. IT WILL WREAK HAVOC with any current generation SSD.
With all due respect this sounds hard to believe considering that there are currently database service providers that have 50 000 consumer grade SSD's running 24/7 subjected to tiny writes. Are they replacing their drives annually?
Current SSD's have TRIM support and garbage collection and they're rated for 5 years of continous writes. The first generation SSD's did die fast though.
I'm sure there are already many players who ran their SSD with AH for a year now. Anyone care to give input?
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I have dealt with two customers,so far, who put AH on an SSD that had to move it to an HD due to errors starting to occur on the SSD. I have another one who cannot run off the SSD at all without the game crashing.
In those circumstances, moving to the HD proved to be the solution.
Everytime you start and end a sortie AH updates settings files. There are many circumstances where AH has to update its settings.
There really is no benefit to running the game from an SSD. The game pre-caches everything it needs. When AH has to resort to a disk access to load a texture, if your HD is in good shape and you are not running a ton of background processes, there is no perceptible stutter anyway.
Once something is loaded into system RAM it stays there unless Windows runs out of resources. It is just silly to load AH on an SSD and run the risk of problems with it.
The file viewer loads the entire film into system RAM as soon as you open it. The films are pretty small files so any time you save there should hardly be measurable. If it is, then there is something else wrong and the SSD is just masking it.
I could give a rats tushy if someone wants to beat up thier SSD. All I can so is warn folks about the potential problems you are asking for. If you chose to run AH on an SSD, and you do have problems, it is not because someone did not try to tell you.
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I am only coming up on 6 months for my Crucial m4 128 Gig SSD
its rated endurance is 72 TB over 5 years which equals 40 GBs a day for 5 years....... since the firmware rev 9 update its performance has increased a good bit with Crucial claiming seq Read @ 500MB/s ( mine is around 526 MB/s ) and seq Write @ 175 MB/s ( mine is around 248 MB/s ) on my AMD Phenom II 975 x4 build..... with AH installed on the SSD
I have (2) of these same SSD's in RAID 0 on my i7-2600K but I have not bothered to run any indepth tests in this raid setup.......... I did run them when it was just a single SSD, and got close to the same as with my AMD......
using Windows 7 64 bit, it has GC ( Garbage Collection), Trim & SMART abilities............ and I have not experienced any slow down as of yet...... ( I play more steadily on the Intel PC than I have on the AMD since July......
now, I do recommend people doing a reboot more frequently than you might when using a old platter/disc type Hard Drive......
I currently have my AMD hooked into my 4 way KV switch with my old work PC and 2 other pc's all sharing same keyboard/mouse/monitor/speakers via USB/DVI hookup cables...... )....
will let y'all know in another 6 months or so how things are going....... if interested.....
edit: I also must note that I do not play Aces high as FREQUENT as I used to do......... and for the majority of people I would probably suggest they install AH on a secondary data drive, let their SSD be used as a booster for it....
TC ( btw - I was aware that running AH on my SSD wouldput more wear / use on it faster, it was the 40 GB a day for 5 years endurance claim by Crucial that let me go ahead and decide to install Aces High on the SSD )
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there will always be failure rates when it comes to hardware.
i just replaced two hdd's too because their seagate 7200.10 firmwares were borked.
that doesn't mean i shouldnt use any hdd's anymore..
flash memory is the future. if they are not reliable;
then maybe they should start recalling all those iphones, ipads, etc.
sd cards, usb sticks, a lot of current tech rely on flash memory.
even sensitive navigation and avionics rely on flash storage..
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btw, when it comes to the filmviewer;
i've experienced a whole lot faster system response when using the timeline/slider on an ssd vs. hdd.
ill try to post a video comparison later today.
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How does Aces High function once loaded?
Does it operate solely off the hard drive and would a faster rpm hard drive (7200 rpm) be a better choice for the i7 family CPUs? Or is it mostly operating within memory ram and or video ram or a bit of all three?
I was told by an IT guy, he not in to gaming, but networks, that a too slow hard drive would cause my i7-920 CPU to idle, waiting for info if the hard drive was running too slow, and while idling, overheat.
Also if an i7 series CPU is not adequately cooled, it will idle down to a slower speed.
I put a V8 supercooler on my Asus P6T Deluxe mb after using the Intel stock fan which ran too hot. I now run about 39C at idle or a bit below. With load about 50C.
Thoughts and answers by the guru types, please.
keep this in mind before it drives you nuts. max temp for i7 is 100c. so anything below 70 is great, 50 is awesome. as it also wont affect your other components. video cards max temp also run at about 100. now it is winter and when it gets cold in my room I remove the side window on my case and use it to warm my feet as I like to use my pedals barefooted. my cpu normally runs around 40's and my dual hd's at about 65. so dont be too concerned with temps unless they go above 80 :salute.
semp
semp
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i've noticed for smaller recorded films(~5min?), filmviewer loads all required resources into memory and ceases disk access.
for larger (~25min) films, filmviewer continues to access the disk to load new resource files that come into the scene (skins, textures, sounds.)
average disk access latency in filmviewer is ~1ms, with 4ms tops for larger files.
1. use media player classic (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpc-hc/).
2. play this MKV file. (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26005082/ssdplay_MKV_.mkv)
note the disk access rates/latencies for ahfilm.exe on the resource monitor window(upper right hand side of screen).
will have to compare it to my 7200rpm hdd, or if anyone else can kindly do the same screencast for comparison. :aok
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I'm sure there are already many players who ran their SSD with AH for a year now. Anyone care to give input?
CORSAIR FORCE 120GB 2.5" SSD since february 2011. No problems so far with AH.
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I could give a rats tushy if someone wants to beat up thier SSD. All I can so is warn folks about the potential problems you are asking for. If you chose to run AH on an SSD, and you do have problems, it is not because someone did not try to tell you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=om7O0MFkmpw
I'm hoping that the modern SSDs when run with all the features previously mentioned will be more resilient. I didn't just buy a SSD so it can sit there and look pretty. I bought it to increase loading speeds and to remove game stutter, and there definitely is game stutter in Aces High and other games caused by loading things from the hard drive. Maybe a year from now I will determine that it just wasn't worth it and I shouldn't have bought a SSD in the first place, but for now, on with the beating up.
Anyways if it goes to hell in a year it'll still be under warranty :P .
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The 'year' was/is an arbitrary time frame. It will naturally vary.
I have never had any type of stutter in the game due to hard disk accesses, on any of my computers, including a pretty low end office system.
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Just to add a little more to the sample size...
I've been running a Revo X2 100GB PCIe as my primary with AH installed on it since about April. No problems that I've noticed. Nothing bad happening. I put most of my stuff on the 1TB secondary, but for AH I put in on the SSD.
Skuzzy: Would you have a particular scan or check that you recommend to see if there really is anything happening to the SSD? Something to either prove or rule out that I'm mistreating the SSD?
I don't mean to take on side or the other just yet, I'm just curious what to check/run on my system to better help share info on the matter.
P.S. Running Win7 x64, with trim enabled.
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I remember playing Aces High on my old system when the old hard drive was trying to go out on me. It still worked just fine but had crawled to a snail's pace. Even WD's diagnostic software would not yield any problems but the tests took days to finish!
When it would load a skin or a texture it would see a pause of a couple of seconds. It was pretty crazy!
I had no problems getting a replacement though. I spend a few bucks to ship it to them and I had a nice shiny new (probably refurbed) drive with three times the capacity in less than a week!
But yeah.. on a healthy drive there shouldn't be any stutters due to hard drive access...
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ah uses prefetch on an hdd to load everything on to memory, like skuzzy said.
there's also a few more loads happening aside from the prefetch.
i think its mostly the custom sounds/skins.
have installed it on my old 7200rpm hdd and playing on it.
other windows apps just work too slow.. editing pictures, loading, etc..
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I guess I'll see to. 7 or 8 months with no issues yet on two OCZ Vertex 3 120GB in raid0.
I do let them idle at the bios screen overnight at least once a week for garbage collection to work at its optimum, usually 2 or more nights.
Trim does not work in raid on any ssd I've found yet.
Perhaps that's the issue, trim not being able to keep up with the read/writes.
Speed requires maintenance in any type machine (cars, boats, motorcycles etc)
I used the ssd array for my only operating system installed on my machine.
As I've said before using Acronis for C:drive backup just in case.
I came to ssd's from 2 Raptors in raid0, there no comparison for speeding up your machine overall.
But Skuzzy is "the man" when it comes to AH, so if it fails I buy more, lol.
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I do let them idle at the bios screen overnight at least once a week for garbage collection to work at its optimum, usually 2 or more nights.
Trim does not work in raid on any ssd I've found yet.
This is why I posted :
using Windows 7 64 bit, it has GC ( Garbage Collection), Trim & SMART abilities............ and I have not experienced any slow down as of yet...... ( I play more steadily on the Intel PC than I have on the AMD since July......
now, I do recommend people doing a reboot more frequently than you might when using a old platter/disc type Hard Drive......
your SSD does the Garbage Collection &/or Trim at the start up of one's computer......
I too noticed that after I went from (1) SSD to (2) SSD's in RAID 0 mode on my Intel i7-2600k PC , that the TRIM stopped working/ initiating, although it still does gargage Collection ( and S.M.A.R.T. still works ) , same as YamaRaja has posted
on my AMD Phenom II 975 quadcore PC rig, with just (1) SSD, that all functions are working properly TRIM, Garbage collection & S.M.A.R.T. functions.......
I will probably drop back to just the (1) SSD in my i7-2600k PC, with just the 1 SSD, it was already so fast booting up that I had to go into my BIOS and initiate / set a 10 second pause during bootup....... without it, the PC would barely flicker a glimpse of the bootup sequence and not even fully load the windows 7 is starting black screen before I would be seeing the login screen where you enter your password...... it booted up in like 6 to 8 seconds max......... once password was entered/clicked it instantly popped to my desktop with everything started/loaded/showing ( icons, etc...)
putting 2 of these SSD's in RAID 0 was more of the "lets see how well it works / performs now? experiment...... in which it is just overkill ( outside of having 256 GB;s of space minus the 100 MB reserve it uses up for System Reserved instead of a single SSD's 128 GB capacity )
TC
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gah. i'm back to my ssd.
hdd? ne. ver. again. :D
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Aces High does a lot of updates to config files while it runs. Never, and I mean NEVER, run Aces High from an SSD. Long term, it will hurt your SSD as those devices do not do well when an application constantly writes and updates lots of small files.
There will be those that come along stating they run the game from an SSD just fine. Ask them how they are doing in a year. IT WILL WREAK HAVOC with any current generation SSD.
Generally, a 7200RPM drive will give better game performance for loading, but it also helps for the writes.
Since SSDs are becoming more mainstream, when will AH become more SSD friendly? Or will "antique computer" become part of the hardware requirements for the game? I'm being a bit snide, but AH runs really well on older hardware but not at the expense of the newer stuff, except for this issue. It almost sounds like old hardware will be an explicit game requirement.
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Since SSDs are becoming more mainstream, when will AH become more SSD friendly? Or will "antique computer" become part of the hardware requirements for the game? I'm being a bit snide, but AH runs really well on older hardware but not at the expense of the newer stuff, except for this issue. It almost sounds like old hardware will be an explicit game requirement.
IMHO SSD's aren't going to become mainstream in a long time. Not before their price/GB drops to the same level with these "antique" rotating disks and their capacity is measured in terabytes. As for now I consider them mostly as status symbols for the forerunning elite.
Don't get me wrong, though. I'm by no means against the new HDD technology, vice versa. Heck, I remember when the flash memory sticks started to come into B2B markets. The prices were stellar, about 30 Eur a Meg roughly converted into today's value of money, the sticks being 32 and 64 Megs! Today they give 1 GB sticks away when you buy three blocks of chocolate...
Every now and then someone releases a game which can't be played with full details on any existing build. They are used as benchmarking tools for new rigs by gamers' magazines, serving as guidelines for what to wish for next Christmas. Aces High has never been such a tool and hopefully it never will become one. In this manner AH has given us average Joes an opportunity to spend our spare time with a quality game without sacrificing our children's welfare.
<Edit>The new SSD's are much more lightweight as the traditional 3.5 inchers, aren't they? I just dropped one old HDD on my big toe and now the toenail is black. Much less pain with an SSD, i suppose...</Edit>
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Since SSDs are becoming more mainstream, when will AH become more SSD friendly? Or will "antique computer" become part of the hardware requirements for the game? I'm being a bit snide, but AH runs really well on older hardware but not at the expense of the newer stuff, except for this issue. It almost sounds like old hardware will be an explicit game requirement.
If you want to give up features, no problem. I suppose the game does not need to know what the last field you launched from was. You could tower back to the same field every time. Why would plane loadouts need to be remembered? Just go back to the tower and configure the loadout every time. Get rid of the rearm pad as well. No need for it. Probably pretty silly that each plane is allowed its own views configuration and allowing it to be changed whenever you want.
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If you want to give up features, no problem. I suppose the game does not need to know what the last field you launched from was. You could tower back to the same field every time. Why would plane loadouts need to be remembered? Just go back to the tower and configure the loadout every time. Get rid of the rearm pad as well. No need for it. Probably pretty silly that each plane is allowed its own views configuration and allowing it to be changed whenever you want.
I hope you're not referring once per sortie writes as 'all the time' writes here? The SSDs are rated for 40 GiB/day writes for 5 years. AH will have a heck of a time writing ini files to achieve that. Trim and garbage collection will take care of the stale blocks those ini writes may leave behind.
Older generation ssds were really problematic in this area, basically when the cells were written over once the performance of the whole disk just collapsed. Not anymore. Also sandforce based ssds used to have a problem with their firmware that could render the whole ssd useless arbitarily. This also has been fixed.
All current review sites use benchmarking tools that stress test the drives writing them full of data and then remeasuring the performance. Older drives collapsed in this test, new drives lose 10 percent or so performance, async memory module ssds excluded which still take a heavy performance hit.
The 'proper' model such as OCZ Vertex3 do not degrade in this manner but the async model Agility3 will suffer from severely degraded performance once it fills up close to 50% or more.
Oh, and if you wanted, no ini writes are necessary to save player loadout and location info, they can be saved server side. ;)
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Server side, for some files, is rather problematic. We do server side, when it makes sense.
SSD's do not do well with small file writes, of the same files, over and over again. It has a tendency to kill those cells faster than a write-once file, with occasional updates. It is the nature of the current technology.
I agree it is better than it used to be and it gets better with each generation. We are only approximately 2 generations away (possibly less) from having the same data integrity as hard disks have now, where it absolutely does not matter how many times you write, truncate, or expand any given file.
I remember when SSD's started coming out and people were saying how much better they were than hard drives. Looking back, we all know that was a crock.
There is no need to rationalize why you want to use them. I get it, but I am also bound to making sure the game runs as reliably as possible, on as many machines as possible. To that end, I stand by my assessment and I really do not care if anyone agrees or not. In the end, people will do what they want.
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If you want to give up features, no problem. I suppose the game does not need to know what the last field you launched from was. You could tower back to the same field every time. Why would plane loadouts need to be remembered? Just go back to the tower and configure the loadout every time. Get rid of the rearm pad as well. No need for it. Probably pretty silly that each plane is allowed its own views configuration and allowing it to be changed whenever you want.
Can't that stuff be buffered and dropped to the HD on either a schedule or on FE shutdown? I mean, HTC really goes to great (and greatly appreciated) efforts to ensure that the game runs on older hardware that has been abandoned by most other game developers, but maybe that doesn't have to mean that the game kills new hardware too.
I was gonna put AH on my laptop since I'm going to be going through a slow paced training course sometime next year, but it has a "cheap" SSD and I'm not going to risk it for a game. For that matter, every new build I ever make from now on will probably have an SSD, now that I've seen and experienced firsthand how much more responsive my computer feels with the SSD. Is AH going to have the electronic equivalent of "product manufactured in a plant that also processes peanuts" stamped on the box? Because that's sort of what it sounds like.
I'm not picking a fight just to pick a fight or be nasty, I'm seriously wondering if I'll be able to put AH on my computer in the future as planned, if it will kill my SSD.
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Can we feature request an optional file path to write frequently-written data that is seperate from the static game files, to make AH more SSD friendly?
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Been asking that for awhile BoilerDown. Specifically a CD-ROM/DVD solution for other reasons but it would accomplish the same thing.
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I'm not a computer guru but I did build a relatively decent gaming PC and installed AH on the SSD. No problems for a year. Then I decided to install a cheap WD 2TB HDD for some data storage. I recalled reading this thread so I installed AH on the HDD and had problems with frequent micro stutters. It happened almost every time I pulled the trigger which was quite frustrating. I ended up re-installing AH on my SSD and the problem went away. I guess if it means my SSD is sacrificial and I'll have to replace my SSD every year and a half or two years, I'll just do it. Considering the short lifecycle of PCs in general it will probably be due for an upgrade anyway.
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If you want to give up features, no problem. I suppose the game does not need to know what the last field you launched from was. You could tower back to the same field every time. Why would plane loadouts need to be remembered? Just go back to the tower and configure the loadout every time. Get rid of the rearm pad as well. No need for it. Probably pretty silly that each plane is allowed its own views configuration and allowing it to be changed whenever you want.
Given that you do not run recording of in-game AH, how many writes does AH do per minute/second/hour ?
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I'm not a computer guru but I did build a relatively decent gaming PC and installed AH on the SSD. No problems for a year. Then I decided to install a cheap WD 2TB HDD for some data storage. I recalled reading this thread so I installed AH on the HDD and had problems with frequent micro stutters. It happened almost every time I pulled the trigger which was quite frustrating. I ended up re-installing AH on my SSD and the problem went away. I guess if it means my SSD is sacrificial and I'll have to replace my SSD every year and a half or two years, I'll just do it. Considering the short lifecycle of PCs in general it will probably be due for an upgrade anyway.
out of curiosity and since the old thread you replied to doesnt probably apply anymore. what are your system specs? what is your cpu/mobo, etc.
semp
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Modern SSDs are rated for 10GB a day writes for the duration of garantee (5 years) so even if AH would do microwrites that would 'eat' a 4kb block every time that's a lot of writes to do per day in order to reach the rated level.
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Given that you do not run recording of in-game AH, how many writes does AH do per minute/second/hour ?
That is going to vary, depending on the game configuration and how often you launch a sortie.
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That is going to vary, depending on the game configuration and how often you launch a sortie.
Skuzzy, I think that even if you record a session and safe 10-20 small files on land/takeoff or config update it should be quite negligible. Far less than saving a document during work or 101 other daily stuff we use with a computer.
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out of curiosity and since the old thread you replied to doesnt probably apply anymore. what are your system specs? what is your cpu/mobo, etc.
semp
Actually I've been running AH on that SSD a lot longer than I thought...time flies!
ASUS P8Z68-V Pro Gen III Mobo with water cooling in case I ever want to overclock
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I am only coming up on 6 months for my Crucial m4 128 Gig SSD
its rated endurance is 72 TB over 5 years which equals 40 GBs a day for 5 years....... since the firmware rev 9 update its performance has increased a good bit with Crucial claiming seq Read @ 500MB/s ( mine is around 526 MB/s ) and seq Write @ 175 MB/s ( mine is around 248 MB/s ) on my AMD Phenom II 975 x4 build..... with AH installed on the SSD
I have (2) of these same SSD's in RAID 0 on my i7-2600K but I have not bothered to run any indepth tests in this raid setup.......... I did run them when it was just a single SSD, and got close to the same as with my AMD......
using Windows 7 64 bit, it has GC ( Garbage Collection), Trim & SMART abilities............ and I have not experienced any slow down as of yet...... ( I play more steadily on the Intel PC than I have on the AMD since July......
now, I do recommend people doing a reboot more frequently than you might when using a old platter/disc type Hard Drive......
I currently have my AMD hooked into my 4 way KV switch with my old work PC and 2 other pc's all sharing same keyboard/mouse/monitor/speakers via USB/DVI hookup cables...... )....
will let y'all know in another 6 months or so how things are going....... if interested.....
edit: I also must note that I do not play Aces high as FREQUENT as I used to do......... and for the majority of people I would probably suggest they install AH on a secondary data drive, let their SSD be used as a booster for it....
TC ( btw - I was aware that running AH on my SSD wouldput more wear / use on it faster, it was the 40 GB a day for 5 years endurance claim by Crucial that let me go ahead and decide to install Aces High on the SSD )
just an update, although a lot longer than 6 months or a year since my above post, in which I built that PC in like between April & June of 2011....
Still not one single problem and using Adia64Extreme and testing, the Crucial SSD is still operating at near 99.4% efficiency....... and I record and save every single log-in and flight , etc and save them on the SSD, until I reach between 150 to 200 films, then I archive/move them to my hitachi 1 TB data storage drive.....
since I built the above AMD and then my Intel i7-2600k system around August of 2011........... I have not lost any SSD's ( I bought 4 of them ) nor any of my hitachi HDD's have failed on any system going back to the late 90's when I started using them
In the last 2 to 2 1/2 yrs , I have lost 1 WD 450 GB Raptor, 3 WD Black 250 GB, 320,GB, 1TB drives, 2 320 GB Seagate drives ..... and 2 of the last PC Power & Cooling PSU's I bought have failed ( the other 3 older ones are still kicking tail )..... none of the lost parts had even reached 4 yrs old yet......edit: and none of these parts were on or used on either of my 2 main PC's the AMD 975 quadcore or the Intel i7-2600k ... They were used on other computers, like for Family and friends or work computer, etc....
I did think I had lost the main primary most used Crucial SSD on my Intel System..... but later found it to be a glitch in the old firmware , and was immediately fixed/solved with a firmware update....
anyhows......... just updating my AMD 975 quad core with Crucial 128GB m4 series SSD usage with Aces High loaded........ it has been running just fine, and I have been using it as my primary PC ever since bout July of 2013.......... ( knocks on wood still, though ;-) )..... I got the intel System put up in storage, ready to go if I need it... but the AMD is just as fast as the Intel, only difference is it has a 1GB videocard, the Intel has a 2 GB videocard ( and blurray DL rewriter )
TC
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I think modern SSDs have proven to be very reliable, more reliable than spinning hard drives. And we can leave it at that. Its perfectly safe to install Aces High on an SSD from 2011 onwards.
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I think modern SSDs have proven to be very reliable, more reliable than spinning hard drives. And we can leave it at that. Its perfectly safe to install Aces High on an SSD from 2011 onwards.
Phew...... I was worried there for awhile! I hadnt noticed the date of this post and was reading it as I use an ssd and have for 3 and a half years now. Just glad I can stop worrying now....... :devil
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