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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: james on January 02, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
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CM's, can you guys set for a week a two sided conflict with all allied planes open on one side and all axis planes available on the other with LW arena radar and icon settings? Just to try this for a week? Any 2 sided map with land vehicles available the same way. Give the c47's to both sides since there's no axis "goon".
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we can, how many people will come if we do this? which map would you like? would you like all planes, or just European theater planes, pacific theater,etc or all of the above?
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we can, how many people will come if we do this? which map would you like? would you like all planes, or just European theater planes, pacific theater,etc or all of the above?
sounds like someone wants a two sided lw arena.
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It'd be a good way to get more in here, but for once im gonna go with the "old hand" AVA guys and say it will attract the wrong crowd or at very laset not give a good Idea about what ava is about. Maybe doing what was asked except keeping the icons at the current ava standard would do more and be a better representation of what it's really like in AVA.
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Yes!! set the AvA back to where it was years ago and stop screwing around with the se-up. There were squads playing in here. Now just a small group trying set-up for them selfs. No one wants or likes the present set-up.
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hmmmmm. yea, let's go for it
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it will attract the wrong crowd or at very laset not give a good Idea about what ava is about.
"Wrong" crowd...what's the "right" crowd? At least there will be a crowd, eh?
What's the AvA about? Two-sided fights in an arena where you can play however you want?
It would be interesting to see how many come over...and also to see how lopsided the numbers might get when there won't be any 190 vs 190 or Spit vs Spit, etc. fights. I'd also suggest a medium map set up to require 1000% bases ownerships and no map reset so the arena won't get porked.
Icon range; 3k for both is fine, although it turns some people away because they're used to 6k and are afraid to try something different that might make them actually think and/or communicate while they play.
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Sorry didn't see that. Wrong crowd. Sorry, next time I'll take a bath and not eat any beans.
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No one wants or likes the present set-up.
Pretty broad statement. Got a list of specific names and their inputs/ideas?
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"Wrong" crowd...what's the "right" crowd? At least there will be a crowd, eh?
What's the AvA about? Two-sided fights in an arena where you can play however you want?
It would be interesting to see how many come over...and also to see how lopsided the numbers might get when there won't be any 190 vs 190 or Spit vs Spit, etc. fights. I'd also suggest a medium map set up to require 1000% bases ownerships and no map reset so the arena won't get porked.
Icon range; 3k for both is fine, although it turns some people away because they're used to 6k and are afraid to try something different that might make them actually think and/or communicate while they play.
this would set this arena back to nothing more than a 2 sided ma. it is a bad idea. we have something different and unique. we have the most fun arena in the game. that will all be gone if this happens.
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CM's, can you guys set for a week a two sided conflict with all allied planes open on one side and all axis planes available on the other with LW arena radar and icon settings? Just to try this for a week? Any 2 sided map with land vehicles available the same way. Give the c47's to both sides since there's no axis "goon".
It's been done before, a few years ago. Brought quite a crowd in the first few nights, then they all went back to their chess pieces in the MAs.
OTOH...don't see how it could hurt to try it again for a week. The arena might pick up a few more dedicated WWII types.
- oldman
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do we want quantity, or quality?
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this would set this arena back to nothing more than a 2 sided ma. it is a bad idea. we have something different and unique. we have the most fun arena in the game. that will all be gone if this happens.
What's this we stuff?
Are you implying that somehow the AvA is some sort of exclusive club and that certain players aren't welcome?
Sure sounds like several of you would prefer to keep the rest of us holding little lanterns in your yards.
Not cool.
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What's this we stuff?
Are you implying that somehow the AvA is some sort of exclusive club and that certain players aren't welcome?
Sure sounds like several of you would prefer to keep the rest of us holding little lanterns in your yards.
Not cool.
not at all. we welcome all. but leave the arena alone. if someone wants to come in and try it, i'd welcome them. just don't expect it to change to what you've already got is all i'm saying.
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What's this we stuff?
Are you implying that somehow the AvA is some sort of exclusive club and that certain players aren't welcome?
Sure sounds like several of you would prefer to keep the rest of us holding little lanterns in your yards.
Not cool.
"WE" = Everyone that pays $14.95 a month. :salute
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"WE" = Everyone that pays $14.95 a month. :salute
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Sure sounds like several of you would prefer to keep the rest of us holding little lanterns in your yards.
Actually, I kind of like this idea.
- oldman (I claim Melvin for my front yard)
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Wanted to try something different is all. Not looking for a two sided MA. Just simply trying something different. A week of that set up will really bring the sky crashing down? It'll bring the wrong crowd? Like there's a crowd in there to begin with yeah with 1/500 on in the AVA right now.
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Actually, I kind of like this idea.
- oldman (I claim Melvin for my front yard)
:rofl :aok
Fine, but it's going to cost you.
1 freshly tailored jockey uniform plus $14.95 per month.
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just don't expect it to change to what you've already got is all i'm saying.
I think that's the point...they don't already have this. The MA has three sides, all aircraft enabled everywhere. You see Jug vs Pony, Zeke vs Nikki, 190 vs Zeke, Spit vs La-7, etc., etc. What's being asked for is a two-sided arena with all allied planes on one side and all axis planes on another; it's pretty much what the AvA is already doing, but with the full planeset available instead of historical re-enactments with limited planes.
Will it bring in more players, pehaps. Will it bring in "the wrong type" of players, I'll let you decide that one. I've read many posts about how a growing number of people tire of axis fighting axis and allied fighting allied and how cool it would be for a two-sided arena. What's the harm in giving it a whirl?
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I think that's the point...they don't already have this. The MA has three sides, all aircraft enabled everywhere. You see Jug vs Pony, Zeke vs Nikki, 190 vs Zeke, Spit vs La-7, etc., etc. What's being asked for is a two-sided arena with all allied planes on one side and all axis planes on another; it's pretty much what the AvA is already doing, but with the full planeset available instead of historical re-enactments with limited planes.
Will it bring in more players, pehaps. Will it bring in "the wrong type" of players, I'll let you decide that one. I've read many posts about how a growing number of people tire of axis fighting axis and allied fighting allied and how cool it would be for a two-sided arena. What's the harm in giving it a whirl?
well, if they're tired of what they've been flying....then c'mon in!!!!
just don't expect it to change. that's like the family that moved into a condo 1/4 mile off of the active runway at a small airport....then they expect the airport to change for them.
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I think that's the point...they don't already have this. The MA has three sides, all aircraft enabled everywhere. You see Jug vs Pony, Zeke vs Nikki, 190 vs Zeke, Spit vs La-7, etc., etc. What's being asked for is a two-sided arena with all allied planes on one side and all axis planes on another; it's pretty much what the AvA is already doing, but with the full planeset available instead of historical re-enactments with limited planes.
Will it bring in more players, pehaps. Will it bring in "the wrong type" of players, I'll let you decide that one. I've read many posts about how a growing number of people tire of axis fighting axis and allied fighting allied and how cool it would be for a two-sided arena. What's the harm in giving it a whirl?
All of this.
I think the OP was just suggesting a different setup that would be run for a limited time.
This is something you already do in the AvA. Some setups win (Midway) and some setups suck horribly (jetweek *GACK*).
Perhaps instead of worrying about the "wrong kind of people" coming to play in your sandbox, some of you should be making suggestions that might get this thing off the ground. And maybe, just maybe you might see more than 10 people in there 1 night a week.
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A week of that set up will really bring the sky crashing down?
I don't think it would.
I do have a question though. With occasional exceptions, the AvA is run with plane match ups that represent what really happened in history.
If the AvA appeals to those that don't care to fly Spit v Spit or Corsair vs Mustang, would Corsair v 109 or Tempest v Zeke be much better?
What about enabling all the Axis and Allied planes in different areas where they would most likely encounter their traditional adversary? Say ETO in one area, Pacific in another? or would that defeat the point?
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All of this.
I think the OP was just suggesting a different setup that would be run for a limited time.
This is something you already do in the AvA. Some setups win (Midway) and some setups suck horribly (jetweek *GACK*).
Perhaps instead of worrying about the "wrong kind of people" coming to play in your sandbox, some of you should be making suggestions that might get this thing off the ground. And maybe, just maybe you might see more than 10 people in there 1 night a week.
ok.
2 sided war. all aircraft active. no icons. full dot dar. pacific map with 10kt winds below 15k, and 30kt winds above 15k. varied cloud cover at 10k, nearly solid at 12k.
that could actually be fun.
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ok.
2 sided war. all aircraft active. no icons. full dot dar. pacific map with 10kt winds below 15k, and 30kt winds above 15k. varied cloud cover at 10k, nearly solid at 12k.
that could actually be fun.
:aok
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Didn't want to have an event that limits anyone except picking a side. Didn't want an event where all day you search for the enemy and just before you run empty you finally find one or two. That's why I wanted the radar like in the MA. Didn't want it to go on and on like a new LW arena. That's why I asked for a week. Figure the last week in January so there's time to tell everyone about it. Want a map that gives roughly the same gameplay as the MA so that people actually show up. Most of the time the scenarios go on and on looking and looking then you see a couple of enemy but have to land because fuel went low. Scenarios also have an imbalance to them as far as plane set because in RL one side used all 109k4's and the other used p39's (just an example hairsplitters) but RL rarely translates to fun in a video game also in that kind of venue. Please use a map that has land mass for both sides to capture stuff and some water so both sides have cv's. Just please keep to axis on one side and allies on the other as far as the plane set goes. I just cross my fingers it wont become a 262 vs all kind of thing. Thanks for hearing me out . :salute
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Thanks for the suggestion james.
No promises, but we'll put in in the hopper and see if one of the staff wants to give it a go.
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Didn't want to have an event that limits anyone except picking a side. Didn't want an event where all day you search for the enemy and just before you run empty you finally find one or two. That's why I wanted the radar like in the MA. Didn't want it to go on and on like a new LW arena. That's why I asked for a week. Figure the last week in January so there's time to tell everyone about it. Want a map that gives roughly the same [/b]gameplay as the MA so that people actually show up. Most of the time the scenarios go on and on looking and looking then you see a couple of enemy but have to land because fuel went low. Scenarios also have an imbalance to them as far as plane set because in RL one side used all 109k4's and the other used p39's (just an example hairsplitters) but RL rarely translates to fun in a video game also in that kind of venue. Please use a map that has land mass for both sides to capture stuff and some water so both sides have cv's. Just please keep to axis on one side and allies on the other as far as the plane set goes. I just cross my fingers it wont become a 262 vs all kind of thing. Thanks for hearing me out . :salute
so what you want, is a 2 sided ma. and to make the ava less common.
the ava is historical match ups. that is what makes it fun.
why the hell does everyone want to change things??
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I don't think this fits what james is looking for, but I've often thought a map that represents the world at war might be cool.
Russia vs Germany at the top of a large land mass. Below that US vs Germany, Below that Britain vs Germany and off shore, in an island area, USN vs IJN.
All running at the same time.
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Hello James,
I think you have a good idea. The only tweaks I would suggest would be shortened icons (3.0k) as the AVA maps are much smaller in size than the mains. It is very easy to find a hot sector and get engaged in a fight. The "gonna make it an MA" comments are off based, so I would ignore them. The AVA is a hybrid arena half MA/half scenario and the most unique in my opinion. Keep the ideas coming Sir.
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Way
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"Wrong" crowd...what's the "right" crowd? At least there will be a crowd, eh?
What's the AvA about? Two-sided fights in an arena where you can play however you want?
1.Horders and yes atleast there will be a crowd.
2.I like to think the folks in AVA have a much better Rapport with each other, less watermelontalk than in the MA, more willing to offer tips and advise to someone they just shot down, rather than crowing about it. Keeping the Icons as currently set or maybe even slightly longer will show people that short icon is not equal to no icon, and even when a con is outside icon range it is still pretty easy to spot if you pay attention. Thats what kept me out of AVA at 1st fear of not being able to spot someone but once you get the hang of it and clean your monitor it gets alot easier.
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guys, a suggestion was made. no one is changing the way we do things in the AVA. its an idea. can it be done, yes. will it be done, depends on if someone wants to try it out. while the suggestion has both its opponents and proponents, its just an idea right now. lets not get all crazy over it.
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One thing...PLEASE no 262s..or 163s...Well maybe we'll allow 163s if America gets the b29 but the 262 would just be a gamebreaker.
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One thing...PLEASE no 262s..or 163s...Well maybe we'll allow 163s if America gets the b29 but the 262 would just be a gamebreaker.
nopenopenope......if it's gonna be turned into a mini-lw arena, then it needs to have those too.
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thats right how are we gonna get the big squads in there to play. we can move them back, but they should be in there. and just think, nothing is perked so it will be a free for all too.
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thats right how are we gonna get the big squads in there to play. we can move them back, but they should be in there. and just think, nothing is perked so it will be a free for all too.
:( oh the horror...... :cry