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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 321BAR on January 05, 2012, 08:21:44 AM
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oh no is it happening all over again?
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Now it's only a matter of time. I applaud your efforts :salute
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Thank you Bar...I did't get what I asked Santa to bring me for Christmas. :cry Yakkity Yak 3! :banana:
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I thought you quit. Or, just the squad disbanded?
Ask for something you will use insread.
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wrongway
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Yakattack. is. needed.
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Yak-3 and Yak-9T and U updated. Happened for the P-40, only a matter of time. :)
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+1 for the M18 :noid
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See Rule #12
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See Rule #12
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See Rule #12
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YAK-3! +1
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He needs something to live on now that we have the M-18, nice choice
+1 :rock
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Yak-3 and Yak-9T and U updated. Happened for the P-40, only a matter of time. :)
Yak-1 and Yak-7 at the same time would be good.
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Well, that's 1 down, BAR.
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I'd certainly vote on the Yak-3, however if they make a decent poll, it would be a tough choice.
I got my eye on the G.55, D.520, <insert random japanese fighter here>.
Tough choice, I would certainly vote on the D.520 first, much I find it to be an Ugly early war joke, It still looks perty to me.
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See Rule #12
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See Rule #12
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1) VERY close to the yak-9 preformance wise
2) Yak-9's aren't a bad substitute for Yak-3's
3) other additions are much, much, MUCH more needed
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= Low priority, and later addition
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1) VERY close to the yak-9 preformance wise
2) Yak-9's aren't a bad substitute for Yak-3's
3) other additions are much, much, MUCH more needed
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= Low priority, and later addition
If its a low priority and should be a later edition, then why was it one of the top picks on the poll bro?
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Because bro, people often don't care to fly anything that isn't what they view as 'top of the line'. Fast, well turning, and with guns lots and large.
Problem is that since people don't fly much EW/ early MW stuff, they don't know how much we're missing.... and even if they do, they wouldn't fly it even if we had it, so they don't care.
A child knows what it wants, but what it wants and whats good for it aren't the same thing.
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Because bro, people often don't care to fly anything that isn't what they view as 'top of the line'. Fast, well turning, and with guns lots and large.
Problem is that since people don't fly much EW/ early MW stuff, they don't know how much we're missing.... and even if they do, they wouldn't fly it even if we had it, so they don't care.
A child knows what it wants, but what it wants and whats good for it aren't the same thing.
:rofl You are very funny, you know that?
The P38-J is a midwar bird, and is one of the most common 38's in the LWA, not to mention that people fly midwar spits in the LWA. Also, you forget that not everyone wants a late war monster plane. Not to mention the 100-ish people that play in E/MW arenas.
If people want this plane, then obviously it should be added. you and one other guy are the only one giving a thumbs down bro. look at the support, you and some other guy wont get the idea shot down just because you disprove against the vast majority of the people that do want it.
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Just saying, theres very few actual reasons why we should get this plane before the He-111, more italian planes, an actual bomber for the russians, and a crap load of other EW GV's.
It really doesn't offer anything over what we already have, and it doesn't fill any gaps.
I guarantee you, once the 'new' wears off, the percentage of yaks (all models) flown in all arenas will remain almost identicle to what it is now. I think people are imagining more than what they would get with this plane.
Looked at from a logical "why should we get this aircraft?" perspective, you'll see its really kind of pointless at the moment.
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You say its a russian piece of crap, yet we have 6 russian planes in game. tell me, do we need another german plane? italian, obviously, but GV's arent on the top of the list right now. Not to mention its a great gap-filler for AvA and SEA events.
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We need an He-111 much more than we need a Yak-3, and we could use (not really need though) another 109 variant to bridge the gap between the G6 and G14. A correctly modeled G-10 wouldn't be a bad choice. We need a russian bomber, such as the SB-2, or Tu-2, or something. Japan is also a bit lacking.
And the yak-3 is not a great gap filler for anything. Any action where the Yak-3 is significant, the Yak-9 can fill in for it VERY well. Its slightly faster, and climbs a tad worse. Aside from that, their preformance is pretty damn close.
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We need an He-111 much more than we need a Yak-3, and we could use (not really need though) another 109 variant to bridge the gap between the G6 and G14. A correctly modeled G-10 wouldn't be a bad choice. We need a russian bomber, such as the SB-2, or Tu-2, or something. Japan is also a bit lacking.
And the yak-3 is not a great gap filler for anything. Any action where the Yak-3 is significant, the Yak-9 can fill in for it VERY well. Its slightly faster, and climbs a tad worse. Aside from that, their preformance is pretty damn close.
Figures, you know the luftweenies were told not to engage the Yak-3 right? so why do we need another 109? The Yak-9 cannot fill the Yak-3 roll perfectly because its not the damn plane itself bro. I dont really care if you think we need another plane first, the Yak-3 obviously beat whatever your trying to put up. Just look at all the good marks for the Yak-3 in this thread, and in the recent poll.
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Your point about some sketcy order that might not have happened is.... what exactly?
He-111 was about 100 times as significant historicly as the Yak-3 is, was used throughout the entire war, and served on every front the Germans fought on. Another 109 variant would actually add something significantly different preformance wise, and let us fill a gap in scenarios between early-mid 1943, and mid-late 1944. The Yak-3 on the other hand would only be useable in mid 1944 and later scenarios, and wouldn't even be significantly different from the Yak-9 preformance wise.
Basicly every other Italian plane beats it on the priority list, as to many japanese aircraft. So do most Russian bombers.
Just look at the preformance of the Yak-3 and compare it to that of the Yak-9. Then you'll see why it doesn't fill a single gap, and isn't needed any time soon.
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"doesnt fill a single gap"
Your saying we dont need the Yak-3 because the Yak-9U does everything exactly like the Yak-3?
Your funny!
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"doesnt fill a single gap"
Your saying we dont need the Yak-3 because the Yak-9U does everything exactly like the Yak-3?
Your funny!
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In other news,
G.55
Yak 3
in that order, is my vote.
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"doesnt fill a single gap"
Your saying we dont need the Yak-3 because the Yak-9U does everything exactly like the Yak-3?
Your funny!
It doesn't fill a single gap. Sorry, but it doesn't. Preformance is close enough that the Yak-9 can quite accurately fill in for the Yak-3 in special events. And aside from that, the number of events in which the Yak-3 is a major participant is rather low.
We don't need the Yak-3..... right now. Later, sure - but just not now, when there are other more important additions.
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Russian gap fillers:
LaGG-3
MiG-3
Pe-2
SB-2
Tu-2
Yak-1
Yak-7
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See Rule #12
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:rofl You are very funny, you know that?
The P38-J is a midwar bird, and is one of the most common 38's in the LWA, not to mention that people fly midwar spits in the LWA. Also, you forget that not everyone wants a late war monster plane. Not to mention the 100-ish people that play in E/MW arenas.
If people want this plane, then obviously it should be added. you and one other guy are the only one giving a thumbs down bro. look at the support, you and some other guy wont get the idea shot down just because you disprove against the vast majority of the people that do want it.
Tank, you haven't played in quite a long time - Doesn't matter if its a Late War Bird or not, people do fly Early War and Midwar in the LWA.
Past 4 tours I haven't flown anything below 20 eny, P38J Last tour, C205 Tour before - this tour I am side lined, otherwise i'd flown probably a 109.
It all depends on the pilot and skill level, some won't touch a C202 because of the gun package, however it serves me quite fine and makes a nice challange. The most planes I shot down in a P38J happened to be P51s and 190s.
Even when you did play - this still was the factor, I can name a dozen pilots who fly 20+ eny birds entirely in the LWA and most are easily some of the top fighter sticks in the game. LW or not.
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I thought you quit. Or, just the squad disbanded?
Ask for something you will use insread.
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wrongway
:headscratch: i never quit? though its been a while since ive driven my M18 :lol maybe i should get to figuring out my ID for the new computer that i forgot to memorize... :bolt:
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Tank, you haven't played in quite a long time - Doesn't matter if its a Late War Bird or not, people do fly Early War and Midwar in the LWA.
Past 4 tours I haven't flown anything below 20 eny, P38J Last tour, C205 Tour before - this tour I am side lined, otherwise i'd flown probably a 109.
It all depends on the pilot and skill level, some won't touch a C202 because of the gun package, however it serves me quite fine and makes a nice challange. The most planes I shot down in a P38J happened to be P51s and 190s.
Even when you did play - this still was the factor, I can name a dozen pilots who fly 20+ eny birds entirely in the LWA and most are easily some of the top fighter sticks in the game. LW or not.
There are exceptions, yes. But for the most part, not a whole lot of EW and early MW era planes are flowin the LWMA arena, which was my point. The ones flown also tend to be the ones that are at par for LW (P-38, Typhoon, etc) or have some other advantage.
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There are exceptions, yes. But for the most part, not a whole lot of EW and early MW era planes are flowin the LWMA arena, which was my point. The ones flown also tend to be the ones that are at par for LW (P-38, Typhoon, etc) or have some other advantage.
Well it is called "LAte War Arena" for a reason, you won't see a rise in a particular Early War or Midwar plane, it mainly comes down to a skill level which most will shy away from since its easier to garnish a dozen kills in a P51-D then it is 1 victory in an i-16.
I particularly enjoy planes with no real advantage, maybe in the EW/MW arenas - but in the Late War what possible advantage could a C202 have? I-16? Buffalo?
Maybe its just me, I am no expert at any kind in a dogfight, however the few fights I do get are quite enjoyable against a Late war ride - although I lose 9 per every 10 I fight. Wish I could get better :)
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No you won't see a bunch of I-16's flooding the kill buffer in the LWA, but my point is that the Yak-3 won't be uber popular once the 'new' wears off either. My bet is that it won't even feel a whole lot different from the Yak-9 when you're flying it.
Since its really not significantly different from the Yak-9 (and the Yak-9 is more significant historicly, anyway), I say we focus on filling holes in the plane sets, till we have reasonable coverage of all periods of the war, and no major gaps. Once we finnish building the foundation, then we can start building our fancy house of Yak-3's, and Meteors, and the rest on top of that foundation.
And if its a C202, or an I-16, then yeah, you're going to lose most fight unless you're of exceptional skill. The 109E is about the poorest preforming plane I can go, and still make at least 1 kill before going down, unless I run into some ridiculous odds, like 8v1 or something.
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No you won't see a bunch of I-16's flooding the kill buffer in the LWA, but my point is that the Yak-3 won't be uber popular once the 'new' wears off either. My bet is that it won't even feel a whole lot different from the Yak-9 when you're flying it.
Since its really not significantly different from the Yak-9 (and the Yak-9 is more significant historicly, anyway), I say we focus on filling holes in the plane sets, till we have reasonable coverage of all periods of the war, and no major gaps. Once we finnish building the foundation, then we can start building our fancy house of Yak-3's, and Meteors, and the rest on top of that foundation.
And if its a C202, or an I-16, then yeah, you're going to lose most fight unless you're of exceptional skill. The 109E is about the poorest preforming plane I can go, and still make at least 1 kill before going down, unless I run into some ridiculous odds, like 8v1 or something.
No plan added will change anything unless its something faster then a P51 or Dora9 (with no perk value which wont happen)
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(and the Yak-9 is more significant historicly, anyway),
it is true that the Yak9D of 1943 and early 44 was very much (with the Yak9T) the most prevalent Yak of that era.
The Yak9U was however not representative at all and not as historically significant as the Yak3. It (the Yak9YU) was be dogged with engine issues and whilst one regiment saw active service from August 44 wide scale introduction was not initiated until 45.
The Yak3 had undergone its service trials much earlier in 44 and was issued to several regiments (including the Normandie Niemen) in time for Bagration during June and July 44. It was the Yak3 that caused the LW to issue such orders to some of its squadron to avoid contact with the "smooth nosed Yak". The Yak3 is the iconic late war Yak not the Yak9U.
The Yak3 with its lighter frame and lighter but lower powered engine and high rate of initial climb outperforms the 9U in all aspects (except top speed) on the deck but can only match it as altitudes increase to at point at approx12-15k where the 9U has supremacy of speed and climb.
My view is that the Yak3 will provide an ac in game that is more effective than the 9U at low level dogfighting where it can out turn, out climb and out accelerate (from "mid range" speeds) the 9u whilst still having the speed in dive of the 9U (if not greater as its net drag is lower than the 9U) if it does not like the environment higher up.
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We have a yak that can represent earlier periods, and a yak that can represent later periods of the war, and fill in very nicely for the Yak-3.
And I'm not so sure if its going to be as spectacular as you're imagining it. Turn rate might be a bit better, but still not enough to let you turn fight the planes that gave the Yak-9 trouble. Acceleration might be better, but still not enough to let you out-accelerate the real preformance monsters like the 109K, La-7, and the 190D.
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But for the most part, not a whole lot of EW and early MW era planes are flowin the LWMA arena, which was my point.
There are quite a bit of MW planes that are regularly flown in the LW arena, the problem is that you don't know your planes.
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Relative to LW planes AKAK, I was speaking relatively. And I'm correct in stating that, compared to the number of LW aircraft sorties in the LW arena, there aren't a whole lot of EW and early MW aircraft sorties. Not nessicarily a few of them, but not a great many either.
If I had said, 'few EW and early MW planes are flown in LW', then yes, you would be correct in saying I was wrong. But since I don't know exactly how many sorties there are by EW and early MW planes in the LW arena, and by how many different people, I realized that saying 'few' of them are flown would be incorrect, and didn't use it.
And finally, are you supporting getting the Yak-3 as our next addition, or just commenting?
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Off the top of my head:
Mid-war units that are fairly common in the LWA: A-20G, A6M5b, B-17G, B-24J?, B-25H, B-26B, Bf110G-2, C.205, F6F-5, Il-2, Mosquito Mk VI, P-38J, P-51B, Panzer IV H?, Spitfire Mk VIII and Tiger I.
Early-war units that are fairly common in the LWA: C-47A, Fw190A-5, Lancaster Mk III, LVT-2, M-3, Seafire Mk II and Spitfire Mk IX.
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Unless things have changed since I've been on, the B-26, mossie, and P-51B aren't all that common. I'm not saying they're rare, but they are (or were, at any rate) unusual enough to draw a passing comment such as "oh, look, a B-26. Theres something you don't see every day".
And I'm not sure we should count troop carriers such as the M3, LVTA2, and C-47, since those are 3 out of 5 of our choices and use of one of them is almost mandatory during CV ops, with the other two being either significantly slower, or carrying less than 1/3rd the number of troops.
I guarantee you if there were more powerfull troop carriers, they wouldn't be used.
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B-26s and Mossies (not counting mine) are something I see almost every time I play. P-51Bs not as much, but I probably miss some that I just assume are Ds due to the overwhelming number of Ds.
Also just a matter of how often you see "x landing y in a z" message. Once again, B-26s and Mossies are fairly common in the chat buffer.
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I see B-26's Mossies and P-51B's daily bro. Your fighting a loosing battle.
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I see B-26's Mossies and P-51B's daily bro. Your fighting a loosing battle.
What about Ki-84s, P-38Js, Me-110s, Spit8s/9s, hurri-C's, Seafires? quite common :)
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What about Ki-84s, P-38Js, Me-110s, Spit8s/9s, hurri-C's, Seafires? quite common :)
Ki-84 is a late war aircraft. I forgot about the Hurri IIc, that should be on my Early War list too.
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Off the top of my head:
Mid-war units that are fairly common in the LWA: A-20G, A6M5b, B-17G, B-24J?, B-25H, B-26B, Bf110G-2, C.205, F6F-5, Il-2, Mosquito Mk VI, P-38J, P-51B, Panzer IV H?, Spitfire Mk VIII and Tiger I.
Early-war units that are fairly common in the LWA: C-47A, Fw190A-5, Lancaster Mk III, LVT-2, M-3, Seafire Mk II and Spitfire Mk IX.
I would venture so far as to say that the B-17 is a LW plane, yes? If it were an F variant, that would be more MW.
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What about Ki-84s, P-38Js, Me-110s, Spit8s/9s, hurri-C's, Seafires? quite common :)
I fly a P-38J every day, my main ride, spit8/9's are most common other than the 16 and the 110 is the primary ord buster for most people that i know.
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I would venture so far as to say that the B-17 is a LW plane, yes? If it were an F variant, that would be more MW.
No, the B-17G is available in the Mid-War Arena. B-17Gs also entered service in 1943, making it Mid-War.
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Yak-3 and Yak-9T and U updated. Happened for the P-40, only a matter of time. :)
I posted on the Yak-3 quite a long time ago and I ask this...WHERE ARE YOU!!!
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Russian gap fillers:
LaGG-3
MiG-3
Pe-2
SB-2
Tu-2
Yak-1
Yak-7
Was just gonna post on the need for another Russian Attack/Bomber Aircraft and I think the PE-2 would do nicely!
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No, the B-17G is available in the Mid-War Arena. B-17Gs also entered service in 1943, making it Mid-War.
Oh. But the F would make a much more suitable variant, don't you think????? WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE!!!!!!!
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I personally would love to have more Soviet planes from the era. The main argument against the Yak-3 seems to be that other planes (specifically the Yak-9) can do what it does. However, that argument can be applied to almost any other plane. How many 109 variants do we have? How many more are there? I can't even keep track. The Ju88 also fulfills the medium bomber role doesn't it? Having another German bomber from the era would be really important, but if there was going to be another bomber added, it probably shouldn't be German, as a Russian bomber is needed, and there are already lots of German planes. The other argument I saw against the Yak-3 was that more early/mid war planes are needed, and not another late war super fighter. How much will an early/mid war plane be used by members versus a late war plane? While people of higher skill levels will still use the outdated planes as a skill challenge, it is pretty clear that very strong planes are used more often. Just look at the number of kills in the stronger planes, such as the P51, F4U, and N1K2. Adding the Yak-3 could give another very popular plane. While it may be fun for YOU to get another early/mid war plane to mess around with, the vast majority of players aren't going to use it very often. Not to say that I don't like the mid-war planes. I just think more of the players would benefit from the Yak-3 than many others. On a side note, the MiG and LaGG series should also be added (although after an Italian fighter).
Summary: +1
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The Yaks aren't really among the most popular planes. They have two qualities (shared by the Yak-3) that seem to make them less popular: short range, low ammunition load.
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I understand that, however the Yak-3 is a superior fighter in many areas, most notably at lower altitudes. Just saying, but depending on how they would Model the Yak-3's maneuverability and speed, it has the potential for being an extremely strong fighter. I really enjoy flying the Yak-9, but adding the Yak-3 would be a very important addition to a sorely under-represented nation's air force. Not to mention the existing Yaks desperately need to have their cockpit updated. I am not sure whether this variant saw action or not, but the addition of the Yak-3P would mitigate the low ammunition load and weaker hitting power drawbacks.
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I understand that, however the Yak-3 is a superior fighter in many areas, most notably at lower altitudes. Just saying, but depending on how they would Model the Yak-3's maneuverability and speed, it has the potential for being an extremely strong fighter. I really enjoy flying the Yak-9, but adding the Yak-3 would be a very important addition to a sorely under-represented nation's air force. Not to mention the existing Yaks desperately need to have their cockpit updated. I am not sure whether this variant saw action or not, but the addition of the Yak-3P would mitigate the low ammunition load and weaker hitting power drawbacks.
One of the French aces that flew the Yak-3 thought it was a better fighter than the Spitfire and Mustang and superior to anything the Germans could throw at it.
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The Yaks aren't really among the most popular planes. They have two qualities (shared by the Yak-3) that seem to make them less popular: short range, low ammunition load.
you dont need more than 10 20mm rounds + 30-ish .50 cal rounds to knock out a plane.
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You miss the point though. People aren't saying the Yak-3 is similar enough to the Yak-9 that we just don't need it, they're saying that its similar enough that we can use the Yak-9 as a substitute in special events, and that since it probably won't raise the overall useage of yaks (all models, -3, -9T, and -9U numbers combined) in the MA's by any noticable degree, its less of a priority than other aircraft that would we don't really have a good substitute for in Special Events, or that would have more of an impact on the MA's.
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You miss the point though. People aren't saying the Yak-3 is similar enough to the Yak-9 that we just don't need it, they're saying that its similar enough that we can use the Yak-9 as a substitute in special events, and that since it probably won't raise the overall useage of yaks (all models, -3, -9T, and -9U numbers combined) in the MA's by any noticable degree, its less of a priority than other aircraft that would we don't really have a good substitute for in Special Events, or that would have more of an impact on the MA's.
If the Yak-3 was introduced you'd see it probably as much as you do the Spitfire in the LW arena.
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If the Yak-3 was introduced you'd see it probably as much as you do the Spitfire in the LW arena.
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This is the point I have been trying to make this whole time.
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If the Yak-3 was introduced you'd see it probably as much as you do the Spitfire in the LW arena.
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I know I'd never fly anything else! :rock
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If the Yak-3 was introduced you'd see it probably as much as you do the Spitfire in the LW arena.
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i'd probably go back to the days i used to fly the 9U regularly... if i get my damn game back online :headscratch:
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If the Yak-3 was introduced you'd see it probably as much as you do the Spitfire in the LW arena.
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I highly doubt that. I'd agree if it were a post war Yak-3 with a VK107 engine, but a wartime Yak-3 with a VK105, not so much. It will maneuver better than a Yak-9U, but not all that much better and it will not climb anything like a Spitfire Mk VIII or XVI while having what is for most people light firepower with a short ammo clip.
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If the Yak-3 was introduced you'd see it probably as much as you do the Spitfire in the LW arena.
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I'm not sold on that. Sure, for a while, it would be just about every other plane in they sky (just like the A6M3 was for a while almost the only CV plane out there, and 3 out of every 4 bombers was a Betty when it was introduced), but after the new wears of, people would probably go back to their old plane. A lot of the hardcore Yak-3 sticks would likely be converts from the Yak-9's.
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I'm not sold on that. Sure, for a while, it would be just about every other plane in they sky (just like the A6M3 was for a while almost the only CV plane out there, and 3 out of every 4 bombers was a Betty when it was introduced), but after the new wears of, people would probably go back to their old plane. A lot of the hardcore Yak-3 sticks would likely be converts from the Yak-9's.
Im not a hardcore Yak pilot as much as I used to be but I would go back if they introduced the Yak-3!
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Yes, I'm sure everyone would fly the Yak-3 for a while, because its new. EVERY new addition has that effect. I haven't seen one that doesn't at any rate.
But the question is, how long would you go back to the Yak-3 for? Would you make it your main ride, or one of them? Or would you take it out for a few spins, decide its a bit better than the Yak-9, replace said yak in your favorites list with the Yak-3, and then ignore it for the most part, as most will do?
Its HIGHLY similar in preformance to our Yak-9U. I think its about 7mph slower, and climbs about 400ft/min better.
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Its HIGHLY similar in preformance to our Yak-9U. I think its about 7mph slower, and climbs about 400ft/min better.
How about turn rate, radius and roll rate?
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Its HIGHLY similar in preformance to our Yak-9U. I think its about 7mph slower, and climbs about 400ft/min better.
It was lighter, easier to fly and more maneuverable than the Yak-9, in addition to having a smaller airframe.
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Not sure about turn or roll Karnak. Clearly going to turn better, just don't know exactly by how much. Also, our 109F will allegedly make a tighter circle than a spitfire Mk V, but that doesn't mean turn fighting a spitfire is the smartest thing you can do.
AKAK, that doesn't mean its engine-based preformance (climb, speed, acceleration) aren't similar. We can make due without a Yak-3 in the special events far easier than we can make due without an He-111 for early setups, or (even though I don't much support this plane) a Ki-43 for the PTO events.
And there are other planes that would add more to the MA's.
Way I see it, it has neither much priority from a Special Events standpoint, and it wouldn't had a whole lot to the MA's. Why bother fixing a leak in the roof when you're missing a large section of your wall?
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I don't think so AKAK - it does not have enough bullets.
Agreed though, it would be an amazing plane and I for one look forward to flying against them as well as in them. Its clear from the last poll that the Yak3 will come - just not before the 410.
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Wait I just noticed that post got banned? why did skuzzy ban that post when all i said was good?
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If the Yak-3 was introduced you'd see it probably as much as you do the Spitfire in the LW arena.
ack-ack
No you wont.
The yak-3 has terrible ballistics, and a lighter ammo load, and a lower weight of fire compared with any prominent LW spit.
It isnt "a spitfire!, or a mustang"!!! By which I mean personal preference to a plane flown needs to be factored.
It's fast and maneuverable yes, bit it has terrible armament compared with the LW arena, short range, and poor altitude performance
It will be popular...but you wont see it in the numbers you do the spit16 and the mustang.