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Title: stall limter
Post by: olds442 on January 07, 2012, 02:22:25 PM
ive reinstalled aces high and noticed im flying better with stall limiter one? meaning im getting more kills? whats wrong here?
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: skorpion on January 07, 2012, 02:35:52 PM
There isnt anything wrong. just because you have it "one" doesnt mean you got better. your probably just getting some easier kills.


Or this is just another "LOOK!!! LOOK AT ME!!!" thread.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: JOACH1M on January 07, 2012, 02:54:30 PM
Stall limiter on or one?

Stall limiter is such a crutch on the performance of any a/c ingame.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Tank-Ace on January 07, 2012, 03:00:02 PM
If you're flying better with stall limiter on, it means you weren't flying very well with it off.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Chilli on January 07, 2012, 03:04:53 PM
Olds,

I have a good friend that always flew with it on.  His K/D was one of the best in the game.  I believe it has to do with your style of flying and also which aircraft that you fly.  The two areas of performance that stall limiter hurt my abilities were in cornering tight turn fights, and rope climbs.  Other than that, it generally does make the aircraft feel more controlled, I am not so sure about more responsive.

Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: curry1 on January 07, 2012, 03:40:53 PM
Olds,

I have a good friend that always flew with it on.  His K/D was one of the best in the game.  I believe it has to do with your style of flying and also which aircraft that you fly.  The two areas of performance that stall limiter hurt my abilities were in cornering tight turn fights, and rope climbs.  Other than that, it generally does make the aircraft feel more controlled, I am not so sure about more responsive.



Probably flying the BnZ would make you better because it would almost force you to keep flying faster.  Because doesn't stall limiter make your control inputs less drastic?
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: olds442 on January 07, 2012, 03:56:53 PM
only fly with mouse that may be why
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: DMGOD on January 07, 2012, 04:01:36 PM
There isnt anything wrong. just because you have it "one" doesnt mean you got better. your probably just getting some easier kills.


Or this is just another "LOOK!!! LOOK AT ME!!!" thread.

Funny coming from you... How could this be a look at me thread?
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Fish42 on January 07, 2012, 05:20:31 PM
with the limiter on, you could not pull moves like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwTuFLHldWg

But as others have said, it could very well help a Bnzer.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Changeup on January 07, 2012, 05:54:11 PM
I have found the stall limiter to be a hinderance on the deck stall fighting...in fact, leave it on down there and you'll die a lot more than you live.  BnZ for a living and its probably great.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: flatiron1 on January 07, 2012, 06:16:03 PM
stall limiter feels like a elevator missing to me.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: SmokinLoon on January 07, 2012, 06:21:20 PM
The stall limiter is not going to prohibit any of an aircraft's performance if it is moving fast and the stall "envelope" is not pushed.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: chaser on January 07, 2012, 06:43:42 PM
 
with the limiter on, you could not pull moves like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwTuFLHldWg

But as others have said, it could very well help a Bnzer.
:O :O Was that you in that film? If it was how do you make a plane stall like that?
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Ruah on January 07, 2012, 07:23:17 PM
stall limiter limits your options and most planes are at their best at and around that limit. . . if its working for you great I guess. . . I turned it and auto-takeoff off before I my first flight - I know they are bad.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: wil3ur on January 07, 2012, 07:25:02 PM
I have stall limiter off, and stall horn... I hate that buzz.  LOOK AT ME!!!
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: titanic3 on January 07, 2012, 07:28:12 PM
I don't get why some turn off auto take-off. I see no disadvantage or advantage, except it's easier.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Brooke on January 07, 2012, 07:39:12 PM
I don't get why some turn off auto take-off. I see no disadvantage or advantage, except it's easier.

There's your answer.  ;)
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Seanaldinho on January 07, 2012, 07:40:53 PM
. I see no disadvantage or advantage, except it's easier.

Unless the CV is turning  :mad:
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: caldera on January 07, 2012, 07:47:52 PM
I have found the stall limiter to be a hinderance on the deck stall fighting...in fact, leave it on down there and you'll die a lot more than you live.  BnZ for a living and its probably great.

I have the stall limiter on and only BnZ bombers.  Win more fights stall fighting on the deck than I lose. 
There's more to winning fights than whether or not you have it enabled.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 07, 2012, 08:33:47 PM
You will always be at a disadvantage with stall limiter enabled flying against someone that doesn't, regardless if it's E fighting or Angles fighting or the controls you use.

ack-ack
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: titanic3 on January 07, 2012, 09:33:11 PM
There's your answer.  ;)

Ok...so if it's easier, why do people turn it off?

If the CV is turning, turn the stick..  :headscratch:
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Brooke on January 07, 2012, 11:11:14 PM
The reason I have autotakeoff turned off is that it is more realistic that way.  Taking off and landing are major portions of flying an airplane, so I like it to be a part of my flying in Aces High, too.

Other advantages might be (not sure, since I don't fly with it on) that you can maneuver better on takeoff when your field is being capped/vulched.  I go to fields that are being swarmed by the enemy, take off from the hangar, and use the rudder to maneuver, barrelling out of the hangar in some direction that is less expected, still working to get airborn as quickly as possible, but then staying maneuvering right near the ground just after lift off.  That might not be possible with autotakeoff turned on.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Tank-Ace on January 07, 2012, 11:51:40 PM
I keep it on because it lets me just open up the throttle and kick the wep if I'm upping from a semi-capped field. That way I can focus on where the enemy aircraft are, how to avoid any potential picks, and what needs to be done.

Besides that, if I'm not taking off in a combat zone, all I have to do is tap the rudder and auto takeoff is gone.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: BaldEagl on January 08, 2012, 02:40:18 AM
Other advantages might be (not sure, since I don't fly with it on) that you can maneuver better on takeoff when your field is being capped/vulched.  I go to fields that are being swarmed by the enemy, take off from the hangar, and use the rudder to maneuver, barrelling out of the hangar in some direction that is less expected, still working to get airborn as quickly as possible, but then staying maneuvering right near the ground just after lift off.  That might not be possible with autotakeoff turned on.

No difference.  As soon as you move the stick it turns off and probably actually helps you get off the ground faster as the automated control inputs are more precise.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Fish42 on January 08, 2012, 02:53:58 AM
 :O :O Was that you in that film? If it was how do you make a plane stall like that?


Yeah it is, but I am not the best person to learn ACMs from. there are lots of trainers that can explain the moves way better then I can.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: TequilaChaser on January 08, 2012, 03:10:15 AM
only fly with mouse that may be why

I would seem to think that using stall limiter turned on, would help you a great deal olds......  since you are using a mouse to fly with

if that is what you have  for a controller, then no one should rib you / hound you about using stall limiter....

as someone else noted earlier, if you keep your plane within its flight envelope  ( between stall speed & compression speed ) you should not experience to many problems to where the stall limiter will hamper you , not unless you get severely aggressive and push the edge of the stall ( AOA ) regardless if you are fast or slow speed wise while maneuvering

if you are experiencing improvement with it while using a mouse, then Good on ya !!!

TC
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Changeup on January 08, 2012, 10:31:06 AM
I have the stall limiter on and only BnZ bombers.  Win more fights stall fighting on the deck than I lose.  
There's more to winning fights than whether or not you have it enabled.

You must be losing to the guys who have it off, and beating the guys who have it on.

What ACK said.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Shuffler on January 09, 2012, 09:51:06 AM
If your absolutely new to air games then having it on may be required till you learn to be smooth and not ham fisted on the controls.

If you leave it on it will become a crutch that will get you shot down more often than not. You will develope habits that will be hard to break once you chose to become more advanced in your maneuvering capabilities.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Debrody on January 09, 2012, 10:56:17 AM
-"Im flying better with stall limiter on"
yet
-"Tophat, you mofo cheater, how can a k4 outturn a zeek??????? you HAXXXXX!!!1!!!"
its a LOL
 :aok
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: RipRap on January 09, 2012, 02:04:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwTuFLHldWg


(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n623/Gkitt/groupbow.gif)

How did you pull that move?
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: dedalos on January 09, 2012, 02:31:49 PM
Olds,

I have a good friend that always flew with it on.  His K/D was one of the best in the game.  I believe it has to do with your style of flying and also which aircraft that you fly.  The two areas of performance that stall limiter hurt my abilities were in cornering tight turn fights, and rope climbs.  Other than that, it generally does make the aircraft feel more controlled, I am not so sure about more responsive.



Ding ding ding.  Unless you are dog fighting your way out of a mess, stall limiter should not effect your game much.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: shiv on January 09, 2012, 03:08:38 PM
It'll cut down on your stalling right into the ground, which will give you less deaths by crashing. More fun with it off for me though.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: TequilaChaser on January 09, 2012, 04:16:41 PM
in regards to my post about stall limiter being on  and using a mouse for your controller

I posted such on the theory that a mouse has no definite stops like a joystick or (game pad's mini joystick ) has, using a mouse one can easily cross the line of how far they are rolling left or right or going up and down, etc.......

outside of that, I strongly recommend people to learn Aces high without the Stall Limiter being enabled if at all possible

TC
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: ink on January 09, 2012, 04:20:28 PM
in regards to my post about stall limiter being on  and using a mouse for your controller

I posted such on the theory that a mouse has no definite stops like a joystick or (game pad's mini joystick ) has, using a mouse one can easily cross the line of how far they are rolling left or right or going up and down, etc.......

outside of that, I strongly recommend people to learn Aces high without the Stall Limiter being enabled if at all possible

TC

absolutely...2 equal guys fighting same plane the one with Stall limiter on will always be at a disadvantage  :aok
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: dedalos on January 09, 2012, 04:33:27 PM
absolutely...2 equal guys fighting same plane the one with Stall limiter on will always be at a disadvantage  :aok

Only if they are dog fighting.  Jousting, BnZ, etc works fine with it on  :P
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: ink on January 09, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
Only if they are dog fighting.  Jousting, BnZ, etc works fine with it on  :P


thats what I was saying


:neener:
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: SPKmes on January 09, 2012, 04:43:42 PM
yep... I have recently reloaded everything AH and forgot to switch the limiter off...if you know better it will be a hindrance....due to using predominantly one plane I noticed quite a difference not huge but enough to make things difficult when you needed to push things just a little bit more.....someone said here it would help to keep you from augering I found the opposite hahahaha just that little bit more would have allowed me clearance which is what I had become accustomed to...somebody else mentioned it felt like a stiff elevator/controls and this was my impression almost like you are not getting the full throw of your stick/pedals...

 I would have to say that it would be of great help if using a mouse( just my opinion cause I can't even control a GV with the damned thing...I hold great respect for those who can turn and burn using a mouse) and if you fly with it and fight accordingly it wouldn't be such a problem ( just don't knife fight too much)
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: olds442 on January 10, 2012, 06:34:54 AM
-"Im flying better with stall limiter on"
yet
-"Tophat, you mofo cheater, how can a k4 outturn a zeek??????? you HAXXXXX!!!1!!!"
its a LOL
 :aok
at that point i had it off, and i switched mouses again my old mouse was lagging so i had it on.
Title: Re: stall limter
Post by: Shuffler on January 10, 2012, 09:39:33 AM
yep... I have recently reloaded everything AH and forgot to switch the limiter off...if you know better it will be a hindrance....due to using predominantly one plane I noticed quite a difference not huge but enough to make things difficult when you needed to push things just a little bit more.....someone said here it would help to keep you from augering I found the opposite hahahaha just that little bit more would have allowed me clearance which is what I had become accustomed to...somebody else mentioned it felt like a stiff elevator/controls and this was my impression almost like you are not getting the full throw of your stick/pedals...

 I would have to say that it would be of great help if using a mouse( just my opinion cause I can't even control a GV with the damned thing...I hold great respect for those who can turn and burn using a mouse) and if you fly with it and fight accordingly it wouldn't be such a problem ( just don't knife fight too much)

It will keep you from losing control and augering. If your having to pull more Gs in a nose down attitude low.... it will assist your auger. lol