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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Pand on January 08, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
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I don't have the answer; however, I am looking for some suggestions from the community to HiTech on how to prevent them.
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HTC doesn't care as long as you aren't vulching your shade. Shade accounts = extra revenue for the company.
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Remove the side switch timer.
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:noid :noid :noid Im Naked! :old: :noid :noid :noid
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HTC doesn't care as long as you aren't vulching your shade. Shade accounts = extra revenue for the company.
Is that your opinion or HTC's opinion? (As that may have an impact on regular subscribers who have had enough)
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Remove the side switch timer.
Not sure how that will fix it ?
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Not sure how that will fix it ?
I'm just assuming your issue is with people having two accounts so they can find CV's and such. Turn off the timer and voila, no more need for a shade account!
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I don't have the answer; however, I am looking for some suggestions from the community to HiTech on how to prevent them.
What IS a shade account in your opinion, and what's the problem with it?
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What IS a shade account in your opinion, and what's the problem with it?
In my opinion, a shade account is (someone correct me if I'm wrong):
1. An additional account that is logged in simultaneously with a person's main account, but logged into another country, to find out locations and positions of missions/goons/people on the enemy side.
2. An additional account that is logged in simultaneously with a person's main account, but logged into another country, and is killed repeatedly by the main account to increase score / acquire perks.
My problem with it is inherently obvious.
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In my opinion, a shade account is (someone correct me if I'm wrong):
1. An additional account that is logged in simultaneously with a person's main account, but logged into another country, to find out locations and positions of missions/goons/people on the enemy side.
2. An additional account that is logged in simultaneously with a person's main account, but logged into another country, and is killed repeatedly by the main account to increase score / acquire perks.
My problem with it is inherently obvious.
There's hardly anything you can to prevent it before that happens. There are a lot of legitimate reasons to have two different account son same IP and/or registered to same person, even flying on different countries.
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a "shade" is a vet in a new name.....
I have taken a few shades....... it is fun to fly around, people thinking you are a noob then handily smacking them around :t
Ive Never had 2 accounts at the same time......
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There's hardly anything you can to prevent it before that happens. There are a lot of legitimate reasons to have two different account son same IP and/or registered to same person, even flying on different countries.
Would it be possible for people to share a LOT of legitimate reasons?
The only legitimate reason I can think of is 2+ people (roommates or family) in the same house playing the game and on the same country.
A non-standard situation would be those same people; however, they are not on the same country, and are not interested in flying together. Showing basic consideration for the other players of aces high, they would not share their country information with the other player.
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i dont want to get rid of shemp. people like him, unlike me.
semp
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i dont want to get rid of shemp. people like him, unlike me.
semp
oh dont keep him for our sakes, we shall unite as a community and have a big group hug and get over his loss.......rather quickly........depressingly quickly actually......maybe so quickly the group hug will look more like a victory hug than a shared sorrow hug..........
just saying.......
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:noid :noid :noid Im Naked! :old: :noid :noid :noid
Lookout, Dad's kids done drove him :banana:
He's in every forum naked playing with his :joystick:
after you :airplane: :bolt: Oz
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I have two accounts that both are on different countries (most of the time)
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If, if, if...
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:noid
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I have two accounts that both are on different countries (most of the time)
Are they both logged in at the same time? Would you be willing to share the purpose of this?
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Are they both logged in at the same time? Would you be willing to share the purpose of this?
Sure I'll share.
Nope, never logged in at the same time.
I created a second account some time ago to allow squad mates who were no longer playing to fly FSOs if they wanted to (sorry for breaking any rules :bolt:) . It didn't get used much, so I re-upped the subscription and joined an up and coming squad that I though sounded like fun. So now I fly both. If fights are lacking or squaddies aren't on, I can jump accounts and fly on a different country where things might not be as stale.
The account was never intended to be a shade, which is why I include both of my ingame callsigns and squadron affiliations in my signature here on the BBS.
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I don't understand the concern with 'spying' in Aces High.
Then again, I don't own any tinfoil hats.
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I can understand having 2 accounts for 2 different countries and the line is drawn so that no commingling is done, that is just fine. But what gets me is when people have a shade account and use it for the own gain. I've heard it on vox outright someone saying that is how they find out where the NOE missions are going, or where the next gathering of the horde is taking place. That, is just wrong. It is called cheating.
FWIW... I believe HTC has tied in IP numbers so that a person cant keep making new shade accounts over and over on their lap top. Not sure though.
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Hmm... I think I may have a solution for this. Bear with me, the procedure may be slightly invasive, but I believe it is worth it to halt the cheating.
We start with the account sign-in process. Each user will be fingerprinted, a DNA sample will be taken, and a retinal and face scan will be taken. All that will be required is that you show up at HTC's office in Grapevine for processing. Typical processing time should only be on the order of 1 to 2 hours.
At this time, you will be able to purchase the specially modified flight controls of your choice, be it Saitek, CH products, Logitech, or Thrustmaster at first, with other manufacturers to be added in based on demand. The specially modified flight controls will contain fingerprint and other biometric sensors which will positively identify you before you may log into the game. You will also be issued a 'gaming pod' which will be a ten foot diameter sphere composed of metal and carbon fiber which will act as both an electromagnetic shield to prevent people using portable electronic devices to cheat and a visual shield so people cannot see your display from any angle.
The game pod will have a time delay so that once you enter it, you will not be able to log into the game for 90 minutes to strike a balance between any previous information you may have had before entering the pod is dated, and playability.
The system will also come with a series of webcams that will send a continuous 360 degree video stream of you at your PC back to HTC. These cameras will monitor your actions. Microphones will also be active to detect possible auditory clues to other countries' gameplay such as someone else yelling from another room, morse code being tapped on the wall, or several other possibilities we're not going to discuss to make it more difficult for the cheaters.
The cameras will also monitor your presence at your PC. Should you exit your game pod for any reason, your account will be immediately logged out and you will be unable to log in for the next 12 hours to ensure that you cannot take advantage of any information you might glean from other sources such as forum boards, telephones, texting, or morse code coming from your neighbors.
Randomly timed DNA samples will be taken by the controllers to add another layer of security to the biometric system and ensure that you have not somehow defeated the other measures, and gotten plastic surgery to defeat the facial recognition system.
Of course, a slot will be available for others to pass you food and beverages in your pod, and there will be lavatory fittings as well. All items passing into and out of the pod will be thoroughly screened by x-ray, video, and sonic scan to ensure no information is being passed either into or out of the pod.
At a cost of a mere $40,000, is it not worth it to be able to play the game without having to worry about cheaters?
Wiley.
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I don't understand the concern with 'spying' in Aces High.
Then again, I don't own any tinfoil hats.
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Would you like one? What is your hat size?
You must provide your own adornments, however. Guaranteed to keep the shades away.
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OH NO, Major Hockschtetter is here too??
Damn GESTAPO everywhere.. Bioscan to play AH5 huh???
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Sure I'll share.
Nope, never logged in at the same time.
I created a second account some time ago to allow squad mates who were no longer playing to fly FSOs if they wanted to (sorry for breaking any rules :bolt:) . It didn't get used much, so I re-upped the subscription and joined an up and coming squad that I though sounded like fun. So now I fly both. If fights are lacking or squaddies aren't on, I can jump accounts and fly on a different country where things might not be as stale.
The account was never intended to be a shade, which is why I include both of my ingame callsigns and squadron affiliations in my signature here on the BBS.
I don't see any issue with the way you are using the two accounts (not at the same time), and that you are open about the names of your accounts.
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I can understand having 2 accounts for 2 different countries and the line is drawn so that no commingling is done, that is just fine. But what gets me is when people have a shade account and use it for the own gain. I've heard it on vox outright someone saying that is how they find out where the NOE missions are going, or where the next gathering of the horde is taking place. That, is just wrong. It is called cheating.
FWIW... I believe HTC has tied in IP numbers so that a person cant keep making new shade accounts over and over on their lap top. Not sure though.
You hit the nail on the head... and I think for the first time I finally agree with SmokinLoon :)
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There are two areas I would like to identify that have irritated me on this thread:
1. While not coming out and specifically saying it, many people that have posted here are defending the use of shade accounts and endorsing cheating in-game. Basically, by implying nothing needs to be done about this, they are saying it is OK and that cheating is not an issue.
2. I have tried to post what I believe is a serious topic and concern about many people's enjoyment of the game. The non-stop jokes, smiley faces, useless posts, and stupid pictures infect almost every thread on the forum like a virus, taking away from the original purpose of each topic. Just like a squelch in AH, another wishlist item would be to have a squelch preference in the Forum, effectively hiding all posts from the user(s) identified, as 98% of everything they post is unproductive trash. Hi-tech has created a forum called "The O'Club," specifically identified for this purpose. I can only ask that everyone keep that behavior where it belongs.
With this post, I am not looking for a response to number 2, just looking for everyone to read, acknowledge, and think about the basic consideration of others.
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I sincerely doubt that your concern about shade accounts is anywhere proportional to the actual threat. I say HTC has that area pretty well under control.
I particularly think it is cool for one guy to fly several sets of bombers, from a "command center" somewhere in his home or "lab". After seeing such a guy at work, my concern turned from "should THIS be okay?" to "I hope he can filter his check 6 warnings" :lol
I think what Buster described, was at best what I would call being a good host to his friends. Especially, since the account is maintained the same as any squadmate would have been able to do on their own.
In the very slim instances when accounts are used to pump scores or recon enemy action, I prefer to take the position that those sad occurances nowhere reflect the state of the game today.
Maybe with the invent of new technologies, these sort of things would never be avoidable anyhow if someone really wanted to do it. Some folks are just the kind to do it and say how are you gonna stop me, if you say it is not allowed. Basically, you would be creating a new market for AHCheat devices, etc. Well, that's the way I see it anyways.
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There are 2 issues I would also like to identify that have irritated me about this thread:
1) The basic assumption that if two accounts are flying from the same IP for different countries, they are sharing information among themselves. While not coming out and specifically saying it, people are assuming that the people doing it are cheating, without knowledge of what is going on on the other side of that IP. It could be a college dormitory or any of a number of other possibilities, many of which have nothing to do with cheating, but if blocked, could quite easily impede many legitimate users of the game for no good reason.
2) The constant whining about cheating infects almost every forum for the game and frankly, serves little to no purpose. If someone is on channel talking about how their shade/buddy is giving them insider info, film it and report them if it bothers you so much. The forums are not the place for meaningful discussion of cheating.
Wiley.
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Then where do you suggest we discuss this topic then? I'm in agreement 100% with Pand. This is the 'Wish List', and I also wish to see the cheating stopped. It might not be possible to correct this issue, but I'm sure as hell tired of flying a goon NOE for 5 sectors and land on a spot that no one would ever think of, only to have the same guy up from a no where base and come straight to me hiding on a beach in my goon and kill me! Yes, it's possible for this to happen the odd time, but every time it's the same thing with the same 2 or 3 guys from the same squad, most of the time in a 262.
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It won't fix any problems, especially since there are people out there who actively share their account information to be utilized in such ways while they're offline by other squaddies. I know this goes on in the MidWar (screenshots), dunno about LW arenas.
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Is that your opinion or HTC's opinion? (As that may have an impact on regular subscribers who have had enough)
Why have you had enough? Shade accounts are just an account to fly under when you want to be left alone.
1. While not coming out and specifically saying it, many people that have posted here are defending the use of shade accounts and endorsing cheating in-game. Basically, by implying nothing needs to be done about this, they are saying it is OK and that cheating is not an issue.
Defending shade accounts in no way endorses cheating. It has been my experience through the years that 90% of the time cheating allegations are brought forth by folks who do just that. Sort of like a thief always thinking someone is trying to steal from them.
I have seen someone in MW use a shared account to find a CV. I will say that most with shades do not participate in this type of shenanigans. IMHO.
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Then where do you suggest we discuss this topic then? I'm in agreement 100% with Pand. This is the 'Wish List', and I also wish to see the cheating stopped. It might not be possible to correct this issue, but I'm sure as hell tired of flying a goon NOE for 5 sectors and land on a spot that no one would ever think of, only to have the same guy up from a no where base and come straight to me hiding on a beach in my goon and kill me! Yes, it's possible for this to happen the odd time, but every time it's the same thing with the same 2 or 3 guys from the same squad, most of the time in a 262.
Easiest trick in the book:
A) base under attack
B) grab fastest plane available
C) look for goon(s)
D) eliminate them with extreme prejudice
rinse and repeat
Perhaps it is just that your tactics fall short...
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Then where do you suggest we discuss this topic then? I'm in agreement 100% with Pand. This is the 'Wish List', and I also wish to see the cheating stopped. It might not be possible to correct this issue, but I'm sure as hell tired of flying a goon NOE for 5 sectors and land on a spot that no one would ever think of, only to have the same guy up from a no where base and come straight to me hiding on a beach in my goon and kill me! Yes, it's possible for this to happen the odd time, but every time it's the same thing with the same 2 or 3 guys from the same squad, most of the time in a 262.
Tazz,
I could give you a number of reasons other than cheating to describe what you have experienced. The number one reason is experience. I will go with that one first, since you say they flew a 262 (not your everyday pilot's choice). It is NO SECRET, that troops are needed to capture a base. Experienced defenders go GOON HUNTING. I am an "experienced" cartoon goon pilot. I know where and what I would do to "hide" my cargo. Let me guess, you were on a deserted island, behind a mountain ridge, or some place just outside of the radar ring. First 3 places that I would give a good look at.
The other thing that you are not considering, is the ability to see your plane nestled in tightly among hedge rows or such. There are a number of settings and ground detail levels that defeat your stealthiness. More times than not, I have to continue to broadcast my position on range channel to keep friendly contacts from dragging planes attacking them over me. I often think that some of those friendly draggers are hoping that I am in an ostwind to help rid them of their threat.
The constant cry about spies, does nothing but blame someone else for a possible miscalculation on your or friendly contact's part. So, before we destroy legitimate reasons for multiple accounts, let's weed out legitimate reasons for HTC to deny them. If this at all sounds harsh, it was not intended to be. In earlier years, I possibly would have agreed with your understanding of what has occurred.
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Then where do you suggest we discuss this topic then? I'm in agreement 100% with Pand. This is the 'Wish List', and I also wish to see the cheating stopped. It might not be possible to correct this issue,
You're catching on. 'Do something' or 'I want' is nothing more than whining.
but I'm sure as hell tired of flying a goon NOE for 5 sectors and land on a spot that no one would ever think of, only to have the same guy up from a no where base and come straight to me hiding on a beach in my goon and kill me! Yes, it's possible for this to happen the odd time, but every time it's the same thing with the same 2 or 3 guys from the same squad, most of the time in a 262.
Hmm... A 262... the fastest plane in the game. The right tool to cover as much ground as possible. How do you know he came 'directly to you', by the by? You landed near a base that had a chance to be taken yes? Yeah, there's no reason at all someone might do a flyover of such a tricksy location as 'the beach in the vicinity of a base whose town is about to go down.' Gotta be cheating! The fact that it's often the same '2 or 3 guys' doesn't indicate that they maybe head out to look for landed goons in their territory (which is such an awesome, non-gamey use of a goon, by the way) as a group to cover more ground.
Nope. Gotta be cheating.
Wiley.
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there's some times when i have landed a goon in a place nobody would bother to look and i got killed because I announced it on country. it happens infrequently but it happens. but spying is not as rampant as everybody seems to think it is. I dont announce stuff like goons on country chanel anymore, not even my buffs.
most of the time so called spying is because we find goons/buffs/noe in a place where they are most likely to be. people are creatures of habit and if you pay attention and been around for a while, you will know where the goons/buffs are going to be or coming from. it's just that simple. missions like the vtards participate on are so easy to bust because the never engage the fighters as they fly by them to go hunt for goons. then they start whining about spying. it's just stupid.
semp
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I could give you a number of reasons other than cheating to describe what you have experienced. The number one reason is experience. I will go with that one first, since you say they flew a 262 (not your everyday pilot's choice). It is NO SECRET, that troops are needed to capture a base. Experienced defenders go GOON HUNTING. I am an "experienced" cartoon goon pilot. I know where and what I would do to "hide" my cargo. Let me guess, you were on a deserted island, behind a mountain ridge, or some place just outside of the radar ring. First 3 places that I would give a good look at.
While this cant 'officially' be proven, lets walk through a scenario. Would this be considered cheating if utilized, and if so, what could be done to prevent it? Or is everyone saying this is ok and acceptable behavior?
1. Country1 pilots posts a mission that contains bombers, fighters, goons, etc.
2. Country2 pilot who also has another online shade account on Country1, looks to see who signs up for goons in Country1's mission, and utilizes the .wingman command to know exactly where the goon pilot will be during the attack.
3. Country2 pilot flies directly to goon #1 and kills it, re-issues new .wingman command for other pilot, flies directly to goon #2 and kills it, rinse and repeat.
4. Sometimes Country1's pilots don't 'sign-up' in the mission, and are often flying at a different/hidden location than the main force to help thwart this anomoly. Country2's shade account in Country1, has radar of ALL attacking aircraft. Country2's pilot reviews the radar and can easily ident a dot that hasn't moved, or is by itself, and use deductive reasoning as to where the assult's goon *could be* located since they can see all aircraft on radar. (This should not be the case when their radar on their country has been destroyed).
We have been witness to multiple situations of enemy aircraft that appeared to be 'racing' each other directlyto the hidden goon's location. It's one thing to hunt, and there's another to take off and fly direct because you know where he is. Yes, there is the off chance they just got lucky, but it happens quite consistently and with a handful of the same callsigns.
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. It might not be possible to correct this issue, but I'm sure as hell tired of flying a goon NOE for 5 sectors and land on a spot that no one would ever think of, only to have the same guy up from a no where base and come straight to me hiding on a beach in my goon and kill me! Yes, it's possible for this to happen the odd time, but every time it's the same thing with the same 2 or 3 guys from the same squad, most of the time in a 262.
This si the stuff most of the unfounded "spy" and "cheating" allegations come from. There is no place "no one ever thinks of". Every thing what can be done, has been done. Repeatedly.
Just like a goon pilot will think about a strategy to get his bird to his target (maproom), the defender will do the same. Some of us have spend literally thousands of hours defending bases on the different AH maps. Such a defender knows the probable routes and tactics as well as the seemingly improbable ones - because he has seen (and maybe used) them all.
After the first few kills on the attackers of a NOE rides he may be able to determine mission planner and/or the squad making up the main body of that mission, which gives you another clue... yes, many players/squads are following a predictable pattern, even when it's an unconventional one (In this regards, AH can be just like chess or other games... try to anticipate your opponents next moves). Some squads will entirely scrub the raid when meeting oppositions, some will give it a break and come back shortly before the town will pop with another surprise goon raid.
If you now put in the geography, there are often not many areas left where a goon might wait. Experience plays a huge role.
By the way... depending on terrain a landed goon can be seen for quite a distance, often as just a small "flicker" on the ground - enough reason to head there...
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While this cant 'officially' be proven, lets walk through a scenario. Would this be considered cheating if utilized, and if so, what could be done to prevent it? Or is everyone saying this is ok and acceptable behavior?
1. Country1 pilots posts a mission that contains bombers, fighters, goons, etc.
2. Country2 pilot who also has another online shade account on Country1, looks to see who signs up for goons in Country1's mission, and utilizes the .wingman command to know exactly where the goon pilot will be during the attack.
3. Country2 pilot flies directly to goon #1 and kills it, re-issues new .wingman command for other pilot, flies directly to goon #2 and kills it, rinse and repeat.
4. Sometimes Country1's pilots don't 'sign-up' in the mission, and are often flying at a different/hidden location than the main force to help thwart this anomoly. Country2's shade account in Country1, has radar of ALL attacking aircraft. Country2's pilot reviews the radar and can easily ident a dot that hasn't moved, or is by itself, and use deductive reasoning as to where the assult's goon *could be* located since they can see all aircraft on radar. (This should not be the case when their radar on their country has been destroyed).
We have been witness to multiple situations of enemy aircraft that appeared to be 'racing' each other directlyto the hidden goon's location. It's one thing to hunt, and there's another to take off and fly direct because you know where he is. Yes, there is the off chance they just got lucky, but it happens quite consistently and with a handful of the same callsigns.
:rofl :rofl pand that is just bs. goons 99% of the time will come straight from the base they took off from. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know where they are gonna be.
i can spot goons on the deck when flying out of the sun way before icon range. specially with shadows on. we busted 3 or 4 vtard missions because i was able to zoom in and scan the water in a place they might be as I was going somewhere else to find them. then i directed country guys to them, i didnt cheat, but it's funny for people to think that just because you find the goons then you are cheating.
semp
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This si the stuff most of the unfounded "spy" and "cheating" allegations come from. There is no place "no one ever thinks of". Every thing what can be done, has been done. Repeatedly.
Just like a goon pilot will think about a strategy to get his bird to his target (maproom), the defender will do the same. Some of us have spend literally thousands of hours defending bases on the different AH maps. Such a defender knows the probable routes and tactics as well as the seemingly improbable ones - because he has seen (and maybe used) them all.
After the first few kills on the attackers of a NOE rides he may be able to determine mission planner and/or the squad making up the main body of that mission, which gives you another clue... yes, many players/squads are following a predictable pattern, even when it's an unconventional one (In this regards, AH can be just like chess or other games... try to anticipate your opponents next moves). Some squads will entirely scrub the raid when meeting oppositions, some will give it a break and come back shortly before the town will pop with another surprise goon raid.
If you now put in the geography, there are often not many areas left where a goon might wait. Experience plays a huge role.
By the way... depending on terrain a landed goon can be seen for quite a distance, often as just a small "flicker" on the ground - enough reason to head there...
No way!
It MUST be c*%ating. :D
When I see a base, under attack and close to a capture, the first thing I look for is a goon or two or three. This is before I even THINK about engaging attackers...
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had a guy on country ch last night ranting about a CV being located by a shade then sunk.
it was about 5 miles from its spawn point at its own port. there were at least 4 red dots in its radar ring 5 mins earlier when it spawned.
:rolleyes:
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While this cant 'officially' be proven, lets walk through a scenario. Would this be considered cheating if utilized, and if so, what could be done to prevent it? Or is everyone saying this is ok and acceptable behavior?
1. Country1 pilots posts a mission that contains bombers, fighters, goons, etc.
2. Country2 pilot who also has another online shade account on Country1, looks to see who signs up for goons in Country1's mission, and utilizes the .wingman command to know exactly where the goon pilot will be during the attack.
3. Country2 pilot flies directly to goon #1 and kills it, re-issues new .wingman command for other pilot, flies directly to goon #2 and kills it, rinse and repeat.
4. Sometimes Country1's pilots don't 'sign-up' in the mission, and are often flying at a different/hidden location than the main force to help thwart this anomoly. Country2's shade account in Country1, has radar of ALL attacking aircraft. Country2's pilot reviews the radar and can easily ident a dot that hasn't moved, or is by itself, and use deductive reasoning as to where the assult's goon *could be* located since they can see all aircraft on radar. (This should not be the case when their radar on their country has been destroyed).
We have been witness to multiple situations of enemy aircraft that appeared to be 'racing' each other directlyto the hidden goon's location. It's one thing to hunt, and there's another to take off and fly direct because you know where he is. Yes, there is the off chance they just got lucky, but it happens quite consistently and with a handful of the same callsigns.
So... Your problem is with people who use a shade account to cheat. Agreed, that's childish behavior. However, I would suggest that most of the cheating you are so concerned with is probably being down by two different people on their own accounts simply sharing information. Also childish behavior.
Now...
I have on, several occaisions, opened a second paying account. A shade.
I never once used it to cheat. In fact, I never once had both accounts even logged in at the same time.
Do you know why I have used shade accounts?
Not to spiezzz on the bad guyzzz...
The squadron that I belong to used to have a policy of only flying on the Bishop side. I never really cared for this policy, since I feel that chess piece loyalty in a game like Aces High is simply silly. I wanted to be able to switch to the low numbers side sometimes. I wanted a chance to get to know the other 2/3rds of the people playing Aces High, to make new friends. I could have left my squad and joined a squad that liked to switch sides occaisionally. But I had no desire to leave the great group of guys I have been flying with since almost the beginning of my Aces High career.
So, I made a shade account. I told nobody. Not even the guys in my squad. When I was logged in as my shade, anybody who knows PFactorD just assumed I wasn't online. I did no spying.
So... How did my shade account harm you or your play experience? Obviously it didn't. All the while, HTC was getting twice the revenue from me. Do you think HTC cared that I had a shade? I'm sure that HiTech would love for everyone to have two accounts like I did.
But you want them to prohibit me from ever having two accounts again, eh?
Well whatever, my squadron has adopted a policy of touring the countries, and I no longer have or need my shade account.
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:rofl :rofl pand that is just bs. goons 99% of the time will come straight from the base they took off from. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know where they are gonna be.
Obviously, the situations I am referring to doesn't include a goon flying directly in. :lol
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No way!
It MUST be c*%ating. :D
When I see a base, under attack and close to a capture, the first thing I look for is a goon or two or three. This is before I even THINK about engaging attackers...
I spotted a goon over town as I approached the base. I was at about 5K and there were a lot of cons my alt or higher. I dove in to shoot the goon or it's passengers in town. The troops were running so I opened up on them. Got a few as the base did not immediately change hands. Was chased by no less than 20 cons on the deck. A few higher ones dove in to try to catch me. They ran me directly into 3 spread out goons just over the water. I was able to get 2 and almost the third before I succumbed to lead poisoning. I sat in the tower and watched the third fly over to town and get the capture.
That was fun. I was not even hunting goons but as the other defenders were down quick I had to look. Thanks to the help of the attackers, I was driven straight to them. :)
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I spotted a goon over town as I approached the base. I was at about 5K and there were a lot of cons my alt or higher. I dove in to shoot the goon or it's passengers in town. The troops were running so I opened up on them. Got a few as the base did not immediately change hands. Was chased by no less than 20 cons on the deck. A few higher ones dove in to try to catch me. They ran me directly into 3 spread out goons just over the water. I was able to get 2 and almost the third before I succumbed to lead poisoning. I sat in the tower and watched the third fly over to town and get the capture.
That was fun. I was not even hunting goons but as the other defenders were down quick I had to look. Thanks to the help of the attackers, I was driven straight to them. :)
Ch*%ter!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A small example from last night:
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5500/routezi.jpg)
Looking at the map I saw A107 had all it's hangars shut down, two(?) small moving dots indicated high buffs. At the same time suddenly a huge red darbar appeared in the sector. NOE! Apparently a clever double prong attack with a combination of very high and low elements.
I jumped into a262 and raced on the deck from A122 to A107, with the intention to hunt down the goons, all the while yelling ALERT on country channel
Now the closest rook base was A93, and all other rook bases had also been to the north and north east. The town was located to the west of the base, but very close to it. But the most important geographical feature: A big stretch of mountains, shielding base&town to the north.
So a goon would have a hard time to get to the town directly from N (would have to climb over the mountain), even more so from E (would have to cross the base), and from SE too (way too likely to run into enemy fighters coming from Knight bases 122 & 121).
So the most probable line of approach was the one I have marked in red - more or less. That was the area I started to patrol after reaching the town, and when I saw more support arriving near base/town, I quickly increased my search radius to cover some more "unlikely spots".
Such a huge, well planned mission has invariably more than one goon in it, and goons arriving early tend to sit somewhere on the ground - mostly near the shoreline, hilly terrain is avoided for obvious reasons.
End of the story: Four goons died to my guns in this sortie, all along the route I marked above.
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I have a suggestion! For all those people who made fun of "Pand's" honest question, report back to your 7th grade teacher for further instructions!
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A player aptly named "Putz" accused me last tour of using a shade account after I had shot down his C-47 about 3-4 times as he was trying to sneak into one of our Knight bases for the capture. He was flying NOE, probably between 30-50ft off the deck (not showing on dar or making base flash) but he made one simple mistake, he got to high on take off and briefly showed a 'dar bar in his base sector.
Seeing the 'dar bar appear briefly, I knew a plane was taking off and I at first expected it to be a bomber to take out the FHs or other hangers so I flew towards his base. Since the distance between bases was rather short, I knew if it was bombers that they wouldn't be higher than 10k and would fly a direct line to our base so I flew my search pattern with this in mind. One thing was helping me, it was dawn and the sun was just starting to peak over the horizon, which does a great job of highlighting moving objects that are close to the water. I spot a dot some distance away on the deck so I fly in that direction and as I get near I think it's a lone bomber trying to make it's way NOE and its not until I get within icon range that I see it's a C-47. I dive and make my attack, kill it and then climb back up to 10k and resume my patrol in the area because I know Putz will be back. Sure enough, a few minutes later I see the dot on the deck again using the same course and direction as his previous flight. I dive again, shoot him down and resume my patrol. This happened 3-4 times and after the final shoot down, Putz accuses me of using a shade account to .wingman his location and shoot down his C-47. All I did was use my experience, the info that was available to me on the clipboard map and some common sense but yet I've been branded as a cheater that uses a shade account when I never used a shade nor have a 2nd account.
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Would it be possible for people to share a LOT of legitimate reasons?
The only legitimate reason I can think of is 2+ people (roommates or family) in the same house playing the game and on the same country.
A non-standard situation would be those same people; however, they are not on the same country, and are not interested in flying together. Showing basic consideration for the other players of aces high, they would not share their country information with the other player.
Well, that's about what I had in mind with "a lot". :D
I know there is quite a good numbers of dads & sons having separate accounts (but which are all billed to dad's card) on the same IP. I think they may fly quite often in different squads/countries, as it's not always "cool" to hang around with the parents. Same goes fro brothers or other players simply living in the same house.
Back when I was a trainer, I know there was at least one of my more 'popular' colleagues having a genuine "shade" account to be able to fly a few sorties in the LW MA in peace.
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I have a suggestion! For all those people who made fun of "Pand's" honest question, report back to your 7th grade teacher for further instructions!
we not making fun of his question. we making fun of his insistence that most goons are killed by spies :salute.
semp
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Earl,
Questions or allegations? Let's be clear on what is what. That is all, Sister Mary Elephant. ;)
"Class.... class......... class......... SHUT!! UUUUUUUP!!!!! thank you"
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Well, that's about what I had in mind with "a lot". :D
I know there is quite a good numbers of dads & sons having separate accounts (but which are all billed to dad's card) on the same IP. I think they may fly quite often in different squads/countries, as it's not always "cool" to hang around with the parents. Same goes fro brothers or other players simply living in the same house.
Back when I was a trainer, I know there was at least one of my more 'popular' colleagues having a genuine "shade" account to be able to fly a few sorties in the LW MA in peace.
Have 2 squadies that have grand kids, which share their account - recently one of them bought his grandson his own account - however given the age and respect of the member, I know for a fact he isn't one to use it for mischief reasons.
Not everyone uses "shades" to evil purposes, attempting to ban them is frankly a stupid idea - however I don't mind active humiliation to someone caught killing his own shade account, thus however is done quietly by Skuzzy/HTC.
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Earl,
Questions or allegations? Let's be clear on what is what. That is all, Sister Mary Elephant. ;)
"Class.... class......... class......... SHUT!! UUUUUUUP!!!!! thank you"
I have that album.... in vinyl of course. :D
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had a guy on country ch last night ranting about a CV being located by a shade then sunk.
it was about 5 miles from its spawn point at its own port. there were at least 4 red dots in its radar ring 5 mins earlier when it spawned.
:rolleyes:
It's just a moron's reflex, parroted by countless others on country channel. Have seen that countless times: Frienldy high alt bombers on the way home cross the ocean and are being followed by enemy fighter. They go near friendly CV, puffy shows up around the fighter.
15 minutes later he's back in bombers to sink our CV, which will invariably result of "SPIEZ!" yells on country channel. It doesn't matter if I explain to them what happened before that, the next time they will follow the same reflex.
Let's face it: People hate to think but love to come to quick conclusions about a situation they just noticed this very moment. :rolleyes:
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I have that album.... in vinyl of course. :D
Is there any other format for an Album? :rock
CD has nothing on a cherry vinyl stamping :aok
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In my opinion, a shade account is (someone correct me if I'm wrong):
1. An additional account that is logged in simultaneously with a person's main account, but logged into another country, to find out locations and positions of missions/goons/people on the enemy side.
2. An additional account that is logged in simultaneously with a person's main account, but logged into another country, and is killed repeatedly by the main account to increase score / acquire perks.
My problem with it is inherently obvious.
Now, that your definition doesn't fit the most prevalent reasons for multiple accounts by a single user, may we assume that your entire premise may be falling short? That being that HTC needs to allocate resources to prevent new accounts from being created by current account holders, or as you would have it termed "cheaters".
Indeed player conduct will be an issue in any online game. HTC does a great job and has a low tolerance for any issue that may adversely affect their game play. I believe that issues of lag, armor exploits, and damage glitches are far more prevalent and nuisances than any of what you are reporting.
Shuffler, "now ain't that a peach?" :rofl
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Now, that your definition doesn't fit the most prevalent reasons for multiple accounts by a single user, may we assume that your entire premise may be falling short? That being that HTC needs to allocate resources to prevent new accounts from being created by current account holders, or as you would have it termed "cheaters".
Lets take it back to my original post:
I don't have the answer; however, I am looking for some suggestions from the community to HiTech on how to prevent them.
HTC does a fine job of preventing front end modification and cheating, etc ---- I'm asking the community for their suggestions on how to prevent this different form of cheating (when used in that fashion).
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Lets take it back to my original post:
HTC does a fine job of preventing front end modification and cheating, etc ---- I'm asking the community for their suggestions on how to prevent this different form of cheating (when used in that fashion).
Perhaps a swift kick in the nuts, youtubed for our entertainment?
It is fairly rare as it is and HTC has a pretty good handle on their sandbox.
Otherwise, I would rather they expend their resources on developing the game, not babysitting sweetheartbags all day long.
It IS after all, only a game...
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Perhaps a swift kick in the nuts, youtubed for our entertainment?
It is fairly rare as it is and HTC has a pretty good handle on their sandbox.
Otherwise, I would rather they expend their resources on developing the game, not babysitting sweetheartbags all day long.
It IS after all, only a game...
QFT :aok
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Lets take it back to my original post:I'm asking the community for their suggestions on how to prevent this different form of cheating (when used in that fashion).
I'm not sure what you are hoping for? The technology to detect shade accounts is readily available in almost ALL cases. If HT wants to devote the resources and enforce a policy, they have the ability to do so. AND, to some extent, they do. I know of people who have been suspended, for operating a shade account. I believe ? the stated policy is that shade accounts are NOT allowed ... obviously exceptions are made, and there are some valid reasons for people sharing an IP address or an account billing. If you think there is a problem, the only solution -I- can envision, is to convince HT to aggressively enforce a NO SHADE ACCOUNT policy and tighten up on allowable exceptions. I doubt the $$$ involved is significant. In MY opinion, the ONLY people who favor ALLOWING CHEATING ... are cheaters. You can't argue with them, you can't change them, and you can't trust them.
:pray
I do agree that expertise is often misunderstood by the inexperienced. I find that the vast majority of players in AH are honest and honerable. Personally, I resent the rare individuals who pollute the game environment with their greedy little schemes. Exterminate em.
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Anyone have the "Lighten up Francis" pic?
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I'm not sure what you are hoping for? The technology to detect shade accounts is readily available in almost ALL cases. If HT wants to devote the resources and enforce a policy, they have the ability to do so. AND, to some extent, they do. I know of people who have been suspended, for operating a shade account. I believe ? the stated policy is that shade accounts are NOT allowed ... obviously exceptions are made, and there are some valid reasons for people sharing an IP address or an account billing. If you think there is a problem, the only solution -I- can envision, is to convince HT to aggressively enforce a NO SHADE ACCOUNT policy and tighten up on allowable exceptions. I doubt the $$$ involved is significant. In MY opinion, the ONLY people who favor ALLOWING CHEATING ... are cheaters. You can't argue with them, you can't change them, and you can't trust them.
:pray
I do agree that expertise is often misunderstood by the inexperienced. I find that the vast majority of players in AH are honest and honerable. Personally, I resent the rare individuals who pollute the game environment with their greedy little schemes. Exterminate em.
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Show me. I can't find it in the TOS.
Time to get out of the sun...
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i dont want to get rid of shemp. people like him, unlike me.
semp
Shemp is a gentleman and a scholar.
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Show me. I can't find it in the TOS.
If you want to see it in writing? Ask Skuzzy ... I think it comes under his hat. I think AH strives to be flexible, I know of at least one father & son combo that ASKED before opening a second account with duplicate specs and were told, that it was not normally allowed but that their request was a reasonable exception.
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Show me. I can't find it in the TOS.
Time to get out of the sun...
There is no stated policy.
When my son had his account, I paid for it on the same credit card as mine. Same IP address as mine... he even has the same name I do. We didnt have to ask to do it, nor were any questions raised by HTC about it after we did. They would be foolish to prohibit people from making more than one account... each account made is $14.99 a month in their pocket.
Anyone who has been suspended or banned for operating a shade account, was not banned for the second, (or third, or fourth...) account. They were banned for what they were doing with them.
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If you want to see it in writing? Ask Skuzzy ... I think it comes under his hat. I think AH strives to be flexible, I know of at least one father & son combo that ASKED before opening a second account with duplicate specs and were told, that it was not normally allowed but that their request was a reasonable exception.
:)
HTC has never had an issue with a single household having multiple accounts. If there was an issue it would be stated in the terms of service, which it is not.
ack-ack
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If you want to see it in writing? Ask Skuzzy ... I think it comes under his hat. I think AH strives to be flexible, I know of at least one father & son combo that ASKED before opening a second account with duplicate specs and were told, that it was not normally allowed but that their request was a reasonable exception.
:)
You think, therein lies the problem.
AH strives to be profitable. ROI is king and flexibility is secondary.
Any company refusing income does not stay solvent for long in this world...
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What is mentioned in TOS is sharing account information... or having others fly your account. HiTech could avoid all of this if he'd simply let me buy Ratos & 30MM's for my P38 using my mom's credit card.
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They were banned for what they were doing with them.
(!) I think most of us had that figured out ...
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Perhaps a swift kick in the nuts, youtubed for our entertainment?
It is fairly rare as it is and HTC has a pretty good handle on their sandbox.
Otherwise, I would rather they expend their resources on developing the game, not babysitting sweetheartbags all day long.
It IS after all, only a game...
...and like any other game it should have rules which everyone should abide by.
Personally I don't think the issue Pand is talking about is all that rampant. Most cases where people call foul can be explained away by watching the game play.
OTOH, if something like this IS going on I think there should be a clean and hard fast rule about it. It has already been establish that if your caught giving away the location of CV's to the enemy.... even if they are being hidden out of play is a punishable offense. Why not add a few more rules. Is parking a jeep inside a tank and firering the gun ok or not? Is having one player from your squad on a different country relaying information ok or not?
All games need rules to shape the play of the game.
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...and like any other game it should have rules which everyone should abide by.
Personally I don't think the issue Pand is talking about is all that rampant. Most cases where people call foul can be explained away by watching the game play.
OTOH, if something like this IS going on I think there should be a clean and hard fast rule about it. It has already been establish that if your caught giving away the location of CV's to the enemy.... even if they are being hidden out of play is a punishable offense. Why not add a few more rules. Is parking a jeep inside a tank and firering the gun ok or not? Is having one player from your squad on a different country relaying information ok or not?
All games need rules to shape the play of the game.
:cheers:
It does happen. Obviously not as often as is presented on the boards or in game, but it does happen. I have been on missions with Pand and have seen C47s get downed when our attacking force hasn't even upped from our base. Well away from any opposing base, but someone comes from an enemy base noe directly to them. Sometimes luck, granted, but it has happened more than a few times in one night.
Funny how it's mostly furballers in this thread flaming a damn good fighter pilot about an aspect of this game they don't even care about.
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:cheers:
It does happen. Obviously not as often as is presented on the boards or in game, but it does happen. I have been on missions with Pand and have seen C47s get downed when our attacking force hasn't even upped from our base. Well away from any opposing base, but someone comes from an enemy base noe directly to them. Sometimes luck, granted, but it has happened more than a few times in one night.
Funny how it's mostly furballers in this thread flaming a damn good fighter pilot about an aspect of this game they don't even care about.
Because people do stupid things, I was accused more then a few times in the last few tours of suspicious things, simply put - if you fly above dar then quickly hide - someone just might be watching, or spawning a lone tank to a base to watch a mission up then quickly land before someone gets near.
The game has enough tools, not everyone needs a "shade" only the ones to stupid to read a map.
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The game has enough tools, not everyone needs a "shade" only the ones to stupid to read a map.
Which would be the ones being discussed here, would it not?
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Which would be the ones being discussed here, would it not?
What is there to argue, if its for the wrong reasons the account should be banned, which I am quite sure Skuzzy does it quietly. That or just hits the person in the face with a wiffle ball bat, because that would be funny.
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I'm not intending to be snotty but....has anybody ever considered that having the occasional spy might be a little more realistic then the perfect symmetry in weapons and information that the game provides? Remember Enigma, The Battle of the Beams, and the totally compromised Japanese codes. It seems to me if you looked at it the right way, the every once in a long while instance of spying might be seen as a little bit of the fog of war that devours the best laid plans once combat starts. Please no personal attacks.
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has anybody ever considered that having the occasional spy might be a little more realistic then the perfect symmetry in weapons and information that the game provides?
Yeah ... But then WE should have those FIRING SQUADS I've mentioned previously...
Please no personal attacks.
As if anyone here would do that ...
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I can understand having 2 accounts for 2 different countries and the line is drawn so that no commingling is done, that is just fine. But what gets me is when people have a shade account and use it for the own gain. I've heard it on vox outright someone saying that is how they find out where the NOE missions are going, or where the next gathering of the horde is taking place. That, is just wrong. It is called cheating.
FWIW... I believe HTC has tied in IP numbers so that a person cant keep making new shade accounts over and over on their lap top. Not sure though.
Although I don't spy, whats the problem with it? Ever heard of a double agent?
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Hmm... I think I may have a solution for this. Bear with me, the procedure may be slightly invasive, but I believe it is worth it to halt the cheating.
We start with the account sign-in process. Each user will be fingerprinted, a DNA sample will be taken, and a retinal and face scan will be taken. All that will be required is that you show up at HTC's office in Grapevine for processing. Typical processing time should only be on the order of 1 to 2 hours.
At this time, you will be able to purchase the specially modified flight controls of your choice, be it Saitek, CH products, Logitech, or Thrustmaster at first, with other manufacturers to be added in based on demand. The specially modified flight controls will contain fingerprint and other biometric sensors which will positively identify you before you may log into the game. You will also be issued a 'gaming pod' which will be a ten foot diameter sphere composed of metal and carbon fiber which will act as both an electromagnetic shield to prevent people using portable electronic devices to cheat and a visual shield so people cannot see your display from any angle.
The game pod will have a time delay so that once you enter it, you will not be able to log into the game for 90 minutes to strike a balance between any previous information you may have had before entering the pod is dated, and playability.
The system will also come with a series of that will send a continuous 360 degree video stream of you at your PC back to HTC. These cameras will monitor your actions. Microphones will also be active to detect possible auditory clues to other countries' gameplay such as someone else yelling from another room, morse code being tapped on the wall, or several other possibilities we're not going to discuss to make it more difficult for the cheaters.
The cameras will also monitor your presence at your PC. Should you exit your game pod for any reason, your account will be immediately logged out and you will be unable to log in for the next 12 hours to ensure that you cannot take advantage of any information you might glean from other sources such as forum boards, telephones, texting, or morse code coming from your neighbors.
Randomly timed DNA samples will be taken by the controllers to add another layer of security to the biometric system and ensure that you have not somehow defeated the other measures, and gotten plastic surgery to defeat the facial recognition system.
Of course, a slot will be available for others to pass you food and beverages in your pod, and there will be lavatory fittings as well. All items passing into and out of the pod will be thoroughly screened by x-ray, video, and sonic scan to ensure no information is being passed either into or out of the pod.
At a cost of a mere $40,000, is it not worth it to be able to play the game without having to worry about cheaters?
Wiley.
Overkill, dude. Sarcasm should be kept to a 1 sentence maximum
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There are two areas I would like to identify that have irritated me on this thread:
1. While not coming out and specifically saying it, many people that have posted here are defending the use of shade accounts and endorsing cheating in-game. Basically, by implying nothing needs to be done about this, they are saying it is OK and that cheating is not an issue.
2. I have tried to post what I believe is a serious topic and concern about many people's enjoyment of the game. The non-stop jokes, smiley faces, useless posts, and stupid pictures infect almost every thread on the forum like a virus, taking away from the original purpose of each topic. Just like a squelch in AH, another wishlist item would be to have a squelch preference in the Forum, effectively hiding all posts from the user(s) identified, as 98% of everything they post is unproductive trash. Hi-tech has created a forum called "The O'Club," specifically identified for this purpose. I can only ask that everyone keep that behavior where it belongs.
With this post, I am not looking for a response to number 2, just looking for everyone to read, acknowledge, and think about the basic consideration of others.
Wow. :cry
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Then where do you suggest we discuss this topic then? I'm in agreement 100% with Pand. This is the 'Wish List', and I also wish to see the cheating stopped. It might not be possible to correct this issue, but I'm sure as hell tired of flying a goon NOE for 5 sectors and land on a spot that no one would ever think of, only to have the same guy up from a no where base and come straight to me hiding on a beach in my goon and kill me! Yes, it's possible for this to happen the odd time, but every time it's the same thing with the same 2 or 3 guys from the same squad, most of the time in a 262.
Try not landing on the beach. You might wanna keep that plane in the air. And Ive never heard of a plane landing on a beach just to take off from it without any damage to begin with during the war in RL.
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So, there are many kinds of 'shades'. There is the two account shade and there is the 'player changed his name shade'.
First off, as pointed out before, one does not need 'shade with two accounts' to tell where the enemy is, the map is quite useful. Frankly, any time a mission gets busted up, people cry 'cheater'. Its funny how it never crosses their mind that maybe, they were spotted on the map, or by a player who happened to be there, etc...
Second, I don't support cheating, almost all cheating claims are BS. That being said, the game is about combat, not cowering away trying to avoid fights and crying when a fight finds you. If this is in response to the usual reason, "My mission got busted, they must have been cheating, nonsense", well, tough it up kid, its a combat game.
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8- Complaints about a player's behavior online should be emailed to support@hitechcreations.com rather than posted to this board.
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I don't have the answer; however, I am looking for some suggestions from the community to HiTech on how to prevent them.
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If you want to see it in writing? Ask Skuzzy ... I think it comes under his hat. I think AH strives to be flexible, I know of at least one father & son combo that ASKED before opening a second account with duplicate specs and were told, that it was not normally allowed but that their request was a reasonable exception.
:)
To my knowledge that never happened. Anyone is free to open multiple accounts. I know of many families who play the game together. Sometimes they play against each other, other times they work together. It's all good.
People that abuse multiple accounts by griefing others, or padding thier score, or perk farming are not welcome.
However, that is really rare, especially since we added the 'who killed who' to the stats. Most of what I see here is all about being paranoid or about avoiding a fight. As several have eluded, it is pretty easy to spot anyone on the clipboard map, if you know what to look for.
The game is designed to encourage combat, not hide from it.
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Hmm... I think I may have a solution for this. Bear with me, the procedure may be slightly invasive, but I believe it is worth it to halt the cheating.
We start with the account sign-in process. Each user will be fingerprinted, a DNA sample will be taken, and a retinal and face scan will be taken.
<SNIP>
You want a sample of my DNA?
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You want a sample of my DNA?
:t
:uhoh
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The game is designed to encourage combat, not hide from it.
now there a quote worth putting in my sig line!
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To my knowledge that never happened. Anyone is free to open multiple accounts. I know of many families who play the game together. Sometimes they play against each other, other times they work together. It's all good.
People that abuse multiple accounts by griefing others, or padding thier score, or perk farming are not welcome.
However, that is really rare, especially since we added the 'who killed who' to the stats. Most of what I see here is all about being paranoid or about avoiding a fight. As several have eluded, it is pretty easy to spot anyone on the clipboard map, if you know what to look for.
The game is designed to encourage combat, not hide from it.
Skuzzy, I appreciate your response! I want to be very clear on this and ask for confirmation regarding the following sentence, and I think we can all put this issue to bed. Feel free to lock the topic after your response.
It is not against HTC's policy in any way to have two accounts on different countries, one being used for 'informational' purposes, as long as it is not used to pad score or perk farm (I am assuming that using the additional account for 'informational' purposes only would not be considered 'griefing' others).
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Skuzzy, I appreciate your response! I want to be very clear on this and ask for confirmation regarding the following sentence, and I think we can all put this issue to bed. Feel free to lock the topic after your response.
It is not against HTC's policy in any way to have two accounts on different countries, one being used for 'informational' purposes, as long as it is not used to pad score or perk farm (I am assuming that using the additional account for 'informational' purposes only would not be considered 'griefing' others).
You did not find the following clear enough?
To my knowledge that never happened. Anyone is free to open multiple accounts. I know of many families who play the game together. Sometimes they play against each other, other times they work together. It's all good.
People that abuse multiple accounts by griefing others, or padding thier score, or perk farming are not welcome.
However, that is really rare, especially since we added the 'who killed who' to the stats. Most of what I see here is all about being paranoid or about avoiding a fight. As several have eluded, it is pretty easy to spot anyone on the clipboard map, if you know what to look for.
The game is designed to encourage combat, not hide from it.
<borderline dickitude-ish statement removed intentionally at the wise urging of PfactorDave>
It is obvious that you are trying to back the staff or another player into a corner about the rules. Your tactics are completely transparent. You are mining for a hard and fast answer about how far the rules can be bent before they are broken so you can shove it up someone's arse when you see them go too far. You saw something you didn't like and instead of filming it and sending it in, like you are supposed to do, you are here to whine about it.
Do you mean to tell me that after 10 years you haven't figured the rules, yet?
Play nice, don't be a dick and report cheating to the staff. Pretty damn simple.
It is only a game, do you have nothing else in life the requires the serious attention that you devote to your concerns, time and attention to? If not, I have plenty of toejam at my house that I will hire you to come do while I'm at work...
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Anyone is free to open multiple accounts. I know of many families who play the game together. Sometimes they play against each other, other times they work together. It's all good. People that abuse multiple accounts by griefing others, or padding thier score, or perk farming are not welcome.
Thank you for clearing that up ... I was misinformed, and would rather not mislead others.
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Play nice, don't be a dick
Hypocrisy anyone?
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Hypocrisy anyone?
Your attempt at being clever, however amusing as it may be, does not really work here since I am quoting rules, not making them up and as such, cannot be accused of being hypocritical. That doesn't even take into account that you took my quote out of context which, at best, misrepresents exactly what I said and turns your argument into a textbook example of Ad hominem, especially since you haven't contributed to the discussion as of yet.
If you wish to attack me, personally, you will need to do much better than that if you want me to take offense.
Better luck next time. :aok
Carry On :salute
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Well the wife holding it comment was a bit over the top. Awfully close to dicktitude. Otherwise, I agree completely.
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Well the wife holding it comment was a bit over the top. Awfully close to dicktitude. Otherwise, I agree completely.
That's what I was referring to.
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That's what I was referring to.
Then why not quote it?
Would I make a better point if I removed that? So then shall it be done.
The point is that some folks don't understand what a brick is, even when you hit them in the head with one.
At no point was I claiming that I adhere to all of the rules, all of the time. I was only stating that they were pretty simple and that there is no reason to complicate them.
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Overkill, dude. Sarcasm should be kept to a 1 sentence maximum
Ask anyone who's ever flown with me, I do not believe it is possible to achieve a state of 'overkill'. Besides, he asked for input. My system would work. :banana:
You want a sample of my DNA?
:t
:bhead ...Sometimes I forget some of the seedier elements of my audience. :lol The DNA would be extracted by the finest professionals, not me personally.
Wiley.
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Well the wife holding it comment was a bit over the top. Awfully close to dicktitude. Otherwise, I agree completely.
Fixed
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Ask anyone who's ever flown with me, I do not believe it is possible to achieve a state of 'overkill'. Besides, he asked for input. My system would work. :banana:
:bhead ...Sometimes I forget some of the seedier elements of my audience. :lol The DNA would be extracted by the finest professionals, not me personally.
Wiley.
Do you prefer fresh or frozen?
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Would I make a better point if I removed that? So then shall it be done.
Good man. Your point is 100% spot on in my opinion. But the belittling attack does nothing but cause your opponent to resist more rather then actually listen and understand.
:salute
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Good man. Your point is 100% spot on in my opinion. But the belittling attack does nothing but cause your opponent to resist more rather then actually listen and understand.
:salute
He's not interested in listening or understanding though IMO. He has an axe to grind, he did the typical 'lose fight in arena, whine in forum' routine. He wants to back someone from the company into the corner of saying 'Yes, this is against the rules' or 'No, that is not against the rules' so he can use it as a club whichever way it goes, and that's about it.
Wiley.
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Good man. Your point is 100% spot on in my opinion. But the belittling attack does nothing but cause your opponent to resist more rather then actually listen and understand.
:salute
Some folks just refuse to listen, regardless of how nice you are.
Skuzzy just gave one of the most verbose and definitive answers on the subject at hand that I have ever seen in six years and it still wasn't good enough.
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Pand, your mission, should you chose to accept it, is to have fun playing the game. Leave the rest to HiTech Creations.
We do not draw hard lines in the sand. It does not benefit anyone, except those who chose to exploit said lines.
Everyone has the same recourse available to them, should something happen in the game they do not agree with. It is to get HTC involved and let us decide what the best course of action is. Players cannot fix anything. It is not the responsibility of players to do so. Players are meant to have fun playing the game.
If someone is doing something you do not agree with, then contacting HTC is the solution to the problem. We may not agree with you, but that is the proper method in dealing with what ails you.
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Pand, your mission, should you chose to accept it, is to have fun playing the game. Leave the rest to HiTech Creations.
We do not draw hard lines in the sand. It does not benefit anyone, except those who chose to exploit said lines.
Everyone has the same recourse available to them, should something happen in the game they do not agree with. It is to get HTC involved and let us decide what the best course of action is. Players cannot fix anything. It is not the responsibility of players to do so. Players are meant to have fun playing the game.
If someone is doing something you do not agree with, then contacting HTC is the solution to the problem. We may not agree with you, but that is the proper method in dealing with what ails you.
Thanks Skuzzy for your reasonable response.
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Addendum to my earlier elaborate explanation about the Rook raid on A107: (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,326623.msg4273442.html#msg4273442)
Last night they repeated the attack. Same tactic (high bombers closing the field, NOE ponies and then goons), same routes. Goons were killed in the same areas as the day before, one of them sitting in the same "remote and unlikely" spot on the NE coast as another goon the day before.
So much for the need of shade accounts to figure out what's going on. ;)
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Most of what I see here is all about being paranoid or about avoiding a fight. As several have eluded, it is pretty easy to spot anyone on the clipboard map, if you know what to look for.
The game is designed to encourage combat, not hide from it.
Damn... this statement is worthy of starting a 'Skuzzy Fan Club'.
I might even have to give you some slack about 'Uncle Cys Angel' for a few months. :aok
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Addendum to my earlier elaborate explanation about the Rook raid on A107: (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,326623.msg4273442.html#msg4273442)
Last night they repeated the attack. Same tactic (high bombers closing the field, NOE ponies and then goons), same routes. Goons were killed in the same areas as the day before, one of them sitting in the same "remote and unlikely" spot on the NE coast as another goon the day before.
So much for the need of shade accounts to figure out what's going on. ;)
Yes, but you're some kind of superman, Lusche. Those other guys just HAVE to be cheating. ;)
Wiley.
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your mission, should you chose to accept it, is to have fun playing the game.
Talk about sig worthy quotes. :salute
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This thread just goes to show how hard it is to police the internet. Side switch duration may be a bit long right now @ 12 hours. But if it were shortened to 1 or 2 hours we'd see a lot more Ar 234's lighting up carriers (not going to mention any names here)
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This thread just goes to show how hard it is to police the internet. Side switch duration may be a bit long right now @ 12 hours. But if it were shortened to 1 or 2 hours we'd see a lot more Ar 234's lighting up carriers (not going to mention any names here)
No you wouldn't, jeebus...some of you are nothing but a bunch of paranoid and hysterical women.
ack-ack
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No you wouldn't, jeebus...some of you are nothing but a bunch of paranoid and hysterical women.
ack-ack
I saw it constantly back when it was 2 hours. I caught the same fella many times on film viewer (and a few times in a 4hog) flying out to the middle of the ocean in a 234, hitting my countries boats. Then he'd rotate to the next country and I assume do the same thing.
It never seemed that he told others where the boats were, I'm not accusing anyone of that.
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So you have a relatively small number of people doing it often, seems that easy to solve by sending the films you have/had to HTC and asking them to look into it. If it's not acceptable to the powers that be they'll deal with it.
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Once one stops playing for score or win teh warz and all this fuss will become meaningless.
I used to care, but now if some dude wants be to #1 for the 3 yrs and have 13 accounts....be my guest. It's not important to me. I hope they find the fame they're looking for :rolleyes:
The scoring system corrupts the corruptable. :old:
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Once one stops playing for score or win teh warz and all this fuss will become meaningless.
I used to care, but now if some dude wants be to #1 for the 3 yrs and have 13 accounts....be my guest. It's not important to me. I hope they find the fame they're looking for :rolleyes:
The scoring system corrupts the corruptable. :old:
When did we get a scoring system?