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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: grumpy37 on January 11, 2012, 09:43:49 AM
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This arena does not have enough players in it for an hour long time limit to switch. Ive seen to many times that when guys from the 2 low number countries try and band together to stop the high number country said high number country just switches to attacking the side with no one on it and we have to wait an hour to switch and defend. Then the cycle just starts over again. I know the time limit helps prevent spies and all but it really just isnt working in MW, we have spies and lots of players with 2 accounts the get around the time limit anyway.
I feel this reduction in time would greatly help playability in this arena.
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Would you go for 30 minutes?
You still quitting this month?
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id be willing to try it out, would be better than the hour we have now.
Still seriously considering it. Had a lot more fun the last week switching between bish and rook for the fights. I have a few that are willing to join up and start a new squad with me, some bish some rook. The point would be to switch to low number side to even out the fight, not hord the map.
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Until it gets away from being a special events arena, the arena filling that would fix this wish will not happen.
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MidWar is not a special events arena, you are thinking of the AVA
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I know the time limit helps prevent spies and all but it really just isnt working in MW, we have spies and lots of players with 2 accounts the get around the time limit anyway. I feel this reduction in time would greatly help playability in this arena.
I fly in MW almost exclusively, so do most of my squaddies (30+ Bish). It's a low population arena in which BISH and ROOK are USUALLY outnumbered.
With the frequent inequality in numbers ENY limitations are often in effect. There are several noted sideswitchers most of whom are under suspicion and are on my squads watch and film list. Side switchers have caused repeated problems with CV farming, ACK blocking, and Communications monitoring. Side switching and then going AFK for HRS isn't uncommon ... it prevents ENY from being effective and allows THEIR TEAMS often overwhelming numbers access to the larger plane set that ENY would normally deny them.
I'm not going to try and speak for everyone, but I think if you polled MY squaddies on the BISH team, nearly all of them would oppose shortening the limit and many would probably support extending the switch time or disallowing ANY side switching. -1 (at least)
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If you frequent the MWA you know who I am and who I fly with, sorry Grumpy ... I'm not sure WHO you are or which side you're on ... I'll be home in a couple of days and have a new system configured ... look me up.
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You know who I am, we have played together many times. As for your squad many have left recently to other countries because of your CO further unbalancing the arena. I am only trying to bring balance in numbers so the arena is more playable.
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I think 30 minutes would be a good middle ground.
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Below 30 minutes, and I can see this being abused. The style of play in the MW is hording but against undefended bases. The 30 min switch would be nice for the defenders and people looking for fights, however the base rolling squads would have a hayday with Carriers and other unsavory actions to get their 25 perks.
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You know who I am, we have played together many times. As for your squad many have left recently to other countries because of your CO further unbalancing the arena. I am only trying to bring balance in numbers so the arena is more playable.
We had 3 players quit the squad and change sides... I think we recruited 5 or 6 new members as soon as it was known there might be openings ... Things were pretty 1 sided over the holidays with players traveling and involved with their families, but that seems to be finishing up and things are getting back to normal...
I would ask HT to query the MWA participants before changing the side switching delay ... IMHO it would increase the # of "incidents", encourage inappropriate activity, and further antagonise many of the long term arena regulars.
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I have yet to go into MW this tour. I was a regular.
Looks like the cancer is still there.
MW has the best planeset in the game but because some use it only for milking perks, it will continue dieing. Changeover time moves to 30 minutes and perks seperate from other arenas.... might help it.
I am enjoying LW. Far better game play now that some have ruined MW.
The time for side change has nothing to do with spies. Normal for MW is 15 knights 2 Bish and 0 Rooks.
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I have yet to go into MW this tour. I was a regular. Looks like the cancer is still there. MW has the best planeset in the game but because some use it only for milking perks, it will continue dieing. Changeover time moves to 30 minutes and perks seperate from other arenas.... might help it. I am enjoying LW. Far better game play now that some have ruined MW.
Hello Shuffler. MW has improved a little -I- think ... Some of the worst participants and their "magic tricks" haven't been seen lately. But sideswitching has increased considerably. Most notable is the switchers who PARK themselves on the side with few participants and go AFK for HOURS ... in order to prevent ENY from making the better planes unavailable to the side that outnumbers everyone else. I'd seriously prefer to see a mandatory 24 hr delay imposed on side switchers, makes it a LOT easier to document inapropriate activity.
The time for side change has nothing to do with spies. Normal for MW is 15 knights 2 Bish and 0 Rooks.
There are definately OTHER methods for spying, but a quick sideswitch is probably the easiest and ? I don't see any reason for HT to make inappropriate activity EASY ... Many of the players who are habitually OUT NUMBERED have gotten pretty good at SPOILING base takes, but it can get to be a strain when you have sideswitchers jumpimg into ack gun's so that they CAN'T BE USED by defenders and relaying every word said on the team channels.
Allowing these side switchers to make a QUICK GETAWAY back to thier own team isn't going to improve anything.
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Hello Shuffler. MW has improved a little -I- think ... Some of the worst participants and their "magic tricks" haven't been seen lately. But sideswitching has increased considerably. Most notable is the switchers who PARK themselves on the side with few participants and go AFK for HOURS ... in order to prevent ENY from making the better planes unavailable to the side that outnumbers everyone else. I'd seriously prefer to see a mandatory 24 hr delay imposed on side switchers, makes it a LOT easier to document inapropriate activity.
There are definately OTHER methods for spying, but a quick sideswitch is probably the easiest and ? I don't see any reason for HT to make inappropriate activity EASY ... Many of the players who are habitually OUT NUMBERED have gotten pretty good at SPOILING base takes, but it can get to be a strain when you have sideswitchers jumpimg into ack gun's so that they CAN'T BE USED by defenders and relaying every word said on the team channels.
Allowing these side switchers to make a QUICK GETAWAY back to thier own team isn't going to improve anything.
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Howdy EVZ! I think your really taking a paranoid look at the issue. If you increase changeover time it will do nothing to even teams. With so few numbers all it takes is 4 to come in on one side and everything is out of whack.
Spying happens much less than some would have you believe.
The known issue of the two low sides moving to the same side to defend and the high number side switching attack to the side with no numbers would partially be fixed by low changeover times.
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Howdy EVZ! I think your really taking a paranoid look at the issue.
Nothing paranoid about sharing personal experience ... or disagreeing about the effect of making sideswitching easier.
If you increase changeover time it will do nothing to even teams.
No it won't, but it will prevent those "Helpfull" players from returning to their own team ASAP and proceeding to SINK all the carriers of the team they just HELPED ... (in record breaking time!) as recently happened ... more paranoia?
Spying happens much less than some would have you believe.
I agree that inexperienced players may often mistake expert tactics, especially observation skills, as spying. Particularly in the LWA where players don't know the opposition by name and sideswitchers aren't easily identified.
If I'm being paranoid? That can easily be established by polling the regular players in MWA regarding what they think about sideswitching delay. Seems like a GOOD idea to me ...
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I was a regular in MW too but stopped going in there primarily due to low numbers. In the last week or so I've made it a point to at least stop into MW regardless of the numbers and see if I could find a fight, or start one. If there's some action somewhere I'll join in on the side with lowest numbers....have always played that way. MW numbers have improved enough lately that I've been able to find fights and have some fun in there. It could always be better, but its been okay. Theres still some obnoxious people and lame gameplay in there, but also some solid players and old hands who just like to fight without all the BS.
Look, there are always going to be people that play the game or fly in ways that you don't like or don't agree with. Doesn't matter what arena your talking about. You will never change this regardless of how many changes you make to try to manage peoples behavior. I suggest that you either ignore it or just laugh it off. So they roll some bases, win a map or farm for perks....who cares its a game? I mean seriously. If someone or something still manages to get under your skin for whatever reason then log off or switch to another arena for awhile. The game will still be there when you come back to it....that's the beauty of it.
That being said, as a dedicated side switcher I support reducing the time limit and I agree that 30 minutes is a good starting point.
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Howdy EVZ! I think your really taking a paranoid look at the issue. If you increase changeover time it will do nothing to even teams. With so few numbers all it takes is 4 to come in on one side and everything is out of whack.
Spying happens much less than some would have you believe.
The known issue of the two low sides moving to the same side to defend and the high number side switching attack to the side with no numbers would partially be fixed by low changeover times.
This is the main reason i am asking for a reduction. I have been a die hard bish for 10 years and i can say i have switched sides more in the last week then the last 10 years combined. I have been on the end now where myself and a few others switch sides to defend just to have the opposition switch their attack to the low or no number side.
I agree also that perk points should be per arena. What you earn in MW stays in MW etc....
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I was a regular in MW too but stopped going in there primarily due to low numbers. In the last week or so I've made it a point to at least stop into MW regardless of the numbers and see if I could find a fight, or start one. If there's some action somewhere I'll join in on the side with lowest numbers....have always played that way. MW numbers have improved enough lately that I've been able to find fights and have some fun in there. It could always be better, but its been okay.
If every sideswitcher played with the integrity you are well known for, there wouldn't be any problems ... I look forward to seeing you soon, hopefully NOT on my 6 ...
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was just in, switched to bish cause the fight was there. We were still the low number side 3-1. Got picked once, hoed the second time. DONE Im starting to think shuffler is right when he says MW is dead. I think im just over it all together and was just trying to make it interesting again. Maybe I will try LW again, never really cared for it but maybe its what i need. I just see it as a bigger version of what MW has become.
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"I agree also that perk points should be per arena. What you earn in MW stays in MW etc...."
fine with me.
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just in there again to look, 9 nit - 2 rook - 2 bish including me. maybe auto balance is whats needed in this arena. nits seem to have an serious numbers advantage all the time and with most of them not willing to switch sides to balance its a waste of time and energy.
Maybe this arena needs to be turned into a 2 sided war. I know for the most part all rooks or bish would band together on one side if given the choice to join nit or the other side. this would over all balance the arena.
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just in there again to look, 9 nit - 2 rook - 2 bish including me. maybe auto balance is whats needed in this arena. nits seem to have an serious numbers advantage all the time and with most of them not willing to switch sides to balance its a waste of time and energy.
Maybe this arena needs to be turned into a 2 sided war. I know for the most part all rooks or bish would band together on one side if given the choice to join nit or the other side. this would over all balance the arena.
You'd still have an unbalance with a two sided war. Instead of 9 Knights, 2 Rooks and 2 Bish, you'd have 9 Knights and 4 on the side. Auto balancing wouldn't work either because you will be forcing people to play on a side they might not want to fight on.
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then i guess the arena is what it is. Sad, was the best arena in the game for many many years. Maybe over time it will right itself again.
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then i guess the arena is what it is. Sad, was the best arena in the game for many many years. Maybe over time it will right itself again.
It is what it is because there are certain squadrons and player in that arena that don't want it to change and like the status quo. The only way it will change would be if these squadrons and players realize the negative impact on the game play they sometimes cause and change their ways but you and I know they won't.
I also agree that it is sad what the MW has become because you're right, it used to be the best arena with the best competitive plane set in the game. Shuff, VonHoltz and I used to tear that place up with our P-38s.
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then i guess the arena is what it is. Sad, was the best arena in the game for many many years. Maybe over time it will right itself again.
I think it will, especially if the BIG NUMBERS team suffers from ENY limitations ... 3 to 1? 4 to 1 ... they shouldn't be flying anything but Zeeks and Spit 1s, maybe a Betty or TBM here and there ... with odds like that, they can easily afford to send a couple of sideswitchers over to lower ENY, report communications, and block defenders access to manned guns on fields under attack. Make it EASY for sideswitchers and you are just inviting them.
I'm not trying to demonize these guys ... They have a STRONG desire to WIN in common, and some of them take that TOO FAR ... But tell em, no more FW190s, No More Mosquitoes, No More F6Fs ... you guys fly Zeeks, or Spit 1s, etc, and ... THEY LOG... Tell em - Ok, you switch sides? it's for 24 hrs - and then SEE how many of them come visiting...
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Sounds like its the same old MW. Seems like it is like it used to be. The only people opposed to a short country change time are the ones who are milking in the middle of night with their fellow squadies.
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then i guess the arena is what it is. Sad, was the best arena in the game for many many years. Maybe over time it will right itself again.
LOL. Mid war was the best arena??? Why not just go back to AH1
Why not go create your own custom arena, test your theory and report back? Shuffled will help I am sure
And 1 vote no. But yes , please put it to a vote!!!!!
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dont expect everyone to agree, but yes for a group of people MW was the best arena in the game. It has the best match up of planes. Some of us dont like LW. Why waste the time making a custom arena when HTC can simply change the setting for a trial period.... say 7 days. Doesnt have to be permanent, unless it works.
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Until it gets away from being a special events arena, the arena filling that would fix this wish will not happen.
wrong thread......was supposed to be in the AvA section.
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dont expect everyone to agree, but yes for a group of people MW was the best arena in the game. It has the best match up of planes. Some of us dont like LW. Why waste the time making a custom arena when HTC can simply change the setting for a trial period.... say 7 days. Doesnt have to be permanent, unless it works.
I don't know, but my guess would be If a couple of hundred people play in midwar and 4 don't like the way it is set up, it might not be the best idea to change it for 4 people I will admit you don't see 200 players in there at any one time,, but if you look at the rosters you can tell how many played in there at one time or another
I know for a fact that at least 133 players have played in mid war so far this month because that are 132 players with a higher score than me in fighters in that arena ( WOW that sucks!!) :bhead
so far at the most,, you have half a dozen who want a change? half a dozen could go set up an arena and change it themselves, report back all the fun they were having and draw more players into there little paradise, eventually HTC would see this growing spectacle and move that "player created arena" to the main board, and throw out the old , outdated way everyone else plays! just a thought,, but them again I have always tried to be a "fix it yourself" type. silly me!
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kinda funny that you think only 4 people want a change, have you talked to all 200+ others already? sounds to me like you dont want the sides balanced, oh wait its your squad and country that exploits the unbalance..... explains a lot i think.
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I don't know, but my guess would be If a couple of hundred people play in midwar - I know for a fact that at least 133 players have played in mid war so far this month because that are 132 players with a higher score than me in fighters in that arena
My rating at the moment is 315 in MWA ... That's got to be pretty close to LAST PLACE as I've been on the road since New Years and my laptop isn't any good for anything other than manning a field gun ... I'd guess there are around 200 semi-regular players and probably 80-100 hard core MW participants. We MAY (?) have a higher ratio of EXPERIENCED players to NOOBS than you find in LW ... VERY FEW alt monkeys or .ef types. Perks aren't really a very big deal as there isn't much to use them for ... TIGER tank or TYPHOON so I don't see any reason to prevent perks from migrating to LWA where there are more opportunities to use them ...
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The reason for keeping the perks in the arena they are earned is to prevent "perk farming" WWhiskey was just in the arena yesturday doing this in bombers. He switched from Nit to Bish, the only time i think ive ever seen him a bish. Bish had 0 players on so the highest perk multiplier. He then put himself on the other side of the map away from the fight and specifically said he was perk farming. He even cheered on his nit friends when they finally got the base from the rooks.
Your estimate of 80-100 hard core regulars is way off. I would say less than 50 are there on a regular basis. The other 200+ are mostly there to do what wwhiskey was doing.
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The reason for keeping the perks in the arena they are earned is to prevent "perk farming" WWhiskey was just in the arena yesturday doing this in bombers. He switched from Nit to Bish, the only time i think ive ever seen him a bish. Bish had 0 players on so the highest perk multiplier. He then put himself on the other side of the map away from the fight and specifically said he was perk farming. He even cheered on his nit friends when they finally got the base from the rooks.
Your estimate of 80-100 hard core regulars is way off. I would say less than 50 are there on a regular basis. The other 200+ are mostly there to do what wwhiskey was doing.
In your opinion!!!!!!
that is all and yes I switched, along with a few others and yes I flew bombers, betties to be exact and yes, I got over 100 perks for doing so,, I cheered everyone that was in the game as well not just the knights I didn't want to roll the map, I didn't want to be accused of being in "the horde", I just wanted to fly around a bit,, the sides were pretty much even after I and a few others switched, which is what you wanted!!!!
yet you are still not happy!!
so I will not be back,,, close the darn thing down for all i care, I'll go fly late war,, the only thing in this game that bothers me is you and your constant whine about how the mid war players don't line up and let you shoot them down in an orderly fashion!!!
what was I supposed to do? switch to rook and fly around on your side?, and I would have if the numbers called for it!
by the way,, I have all the perks I need, I was pointing out that there are other good reasons to switch to the low numbered side, which would help your cause, yet you don't want that either,
if late war players knew you could get over 100 perks in just one mission on the low numbered side, there might be a lot more players in there for you to shoot at, provided you where there instead of here complaining about it!
you could have easily come and shot me down, but instead, you come here and whine! sad :cry
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The reason for keeping the perks in the arena they are earned is to prevent "perk farming" WWhiskey was just in the arena yesturday doing this in bombers. He switched from Nit to Bish, the only time i think ive ever seen him a bish. Bish had 0 players on so the highest perk multiplier. He then put himself on the other side of the map away from the fight and specifically said he was perk farming.
Ok... THAT is the type of behavior -I- would prefer NOT to see encouraged by making it EASIER ... Would he be doing that if he were required to REMAIN a BISH for 24 hrs? HOW MANY more would be doing this if they could switch back in 10min?
I do understand your desire to CONFRONT the ENEMY ... and I applaud it. But I'm afraid this solution would cause more problems than it would resolve.
Your estimate of 80-100 hard core regulars is way off. I would say less than 50 are there on a regular basis.
I could be wrong ... Just a rough estimate ... my squad has 30 + members, approx. 20 are hard core regulars in MW ... we're usually outnumbered by at least 2-1 so I'm guessing DOUBLE that number of nits and maybe 10 rooks ... that's 70 ... there are quite a few players like Pangea who are unaffiliated but regular combatants ... so 80 - 100 seems likely, it varies.
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yes I switched, along with a few others
Which probably dropped the ENY penalty enough for his regular team to get the better planes.
if late war players knew you could get over 100 perks in just one mission on the low numbered side
Think about it ... even IF the perks are good only IN MWA, he can take them back to his home team and use them to up a TIGER against the side he earned them with. (!)
you could have easily come and shot me down, but instead, you come here and whine! sad :cry
Except that YOU were probably busy trying to deal with his regular teammates who had you outnumbered and were now enjoying better planes due to the LOWERED ENY PENALTY ...
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In your opinion!!!!!!
that is all and yes I switched, along with a few others and yes I flew bombers, betties to be exact and yes, I got over 100 perks for doing so,, I cheered everyone that was in the game as well not just the knights I didn't want to roll the map, I didn't want to be accused of being in "the horde", I just wanted to fly around a bit,, the sides were pretty much even after I and a few others switched, which is what you wanted!!!!
yet you are still not happy!!
so I will not be back,,, close the darn thing down for all i care, I'll go fly late war,, the only thing in this game that bothers me is you and your constant whine about how the mid war players don't line up and let you shoot them down in an orderly fashion!!!
what was I supposed to do? switch to rook and fly around on your side?, and I would have if the numbers called for it!
by the way,, I have all the perks I need, I was pointing out that there are other good reasons to switch to the low numbered side, which would help your cause, yet you don't want that either,
if late war players knew you could get over 100 perks in just one mission on the low numbered side, there might be a lot more players in there for you to shoot at, provided you where there instead of here complaining about it!
you could have easily come and shot me down, but instead, you come here and whine! sad :cry
I dont need anyone to line up for me to shoot them down, i do just fine on my own :D And we, the rooks, were outnumbered at the time almost 2 -1 and you switch to the bish because you dont like me? LOL I LOVE IT. :neener:
Oh and if Im the ONLY thing about this game you dont like then im getting my $15 worth. Its guys like you that i love to antagonize.
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Your not going to get whiskey to understand. He's part of the problem.
I have talked to several in there that stated they were there simply to perk farm. Maybe they can't get them any other way.
When I logged on last night, around 8pm central, there were 4 people in MW. I did not look to see who or what they were doing. I went to LW.
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Your not going to get whiskey to understand. He's part of the problem.
I have talked to several in there that stated they were there simply to perk farm. Maybe they can't get them any other way.
When I logged on last night, around 8pm central, there were 4 people in MW. I did not look to see who or what they were doing. I went to LW.
There is nothing to understand ! He doesn't like the way others play the game so he is content to run off the people who do play in that arena rather than adapt and enjoy himself killing those that were there
We switched sides like he asked, we helped to even out the arena like he asked, and still , he is not happy! He ce the name, Grumpy. Maybe , if he laid out the rules of engagement he would like to see but I doubt he even knows what they are, so mid war can set idle and empty!
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There is nothing to understand !
You might want to tread lightly ... Here's a recent quote from SKUZZY in another thread.
Re: Preventing Shade Accounts
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Quote from: Skuzzy on January 10, 2012, 06:23:30 AM
People that abuse multiple accounts by griefing others, or padding thier score, or perk farming are not welcome.
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You might want to tread lightly ... Here's a recent quote from SKUZZY in another thread.
Re: Preventing Shade Accounts
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Quote from: Skuzzy on January 10, 2012, 06:23:30 AM
People that abuse multiple accounts by griefing others, or padding thier score, or perk farming are not welcome.
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you clearly have trouble with reading comprehension. Skuzzy's comments are relating to using multiple accounts to farm perks. In other words, using another account to repeatedly shoot down to gain perks.
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You might want to tread lightly ... Here's a recent quote from SKUZZY in another thread.
Re: Preventing Shade Accounts
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Quote from: Skuzzy on January 10, 2012, 06:23:30 AM
People that abuse multiple accounts by griefing others, or padding thier score, or perk farming are not welcome.
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I am not sure what you think that has to do with me???
When on earth has anyone every said I have more than one account?
Bombing targets on the map is what it is, there are targets, there are bombers, both designed by HTC.
And if you do a good job, they give you perks for doing so.
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There is nothing to understand ! He doesn't like the way others play the game so he is content to run off the people who do play in that arena rather than adapt and enjoy himself killing those that were there
We switched sides like he asked, we helped to even out the arena like he asked, and still , he is not happy! He ce the name, Grumpy. Maybe , if he laid out the rules of engagement he would like to see but I doubt he even knows what they are, so mid war can set idle and empty!
LMAO YOU switched sides to a side with no one else on it strictly to perk farm, you said it yourself already. Ive said many times over the last week the sides have been balancing out more and its been better game play for EVERYONE not just me. You may think that just because im the only vocal one that im the ONLY one that feels the way I do. YOUR WRONG... im just the only one willing to say something about it. Yes, some of the G3 have switched a few times to rook, not all of them but that is besides the point your making anyway.
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Bombing targets on the map is what it is, there are targets, there are bombers, both designed by HTC.
And if you do a good job, they give you perks for doing so.
And if you (and your friends) are switching sides and manipulating ENY to maximise perk farming ... Maybe they give you something else.
The point being made was, it's NOT about how many accounts you have, it's about what you are DOING with them.
I just wanted you to know.
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And if you (and your friends) are switching sides and manipulating ENY to maximise perk farming ... Maybe they give you something else.
The point being made was, it's NOT about how many accounts you have, it's about what you are DOING with them.
I just wanted you to know.
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What WWhisky is doing is not in violation of any terms of services, stop trying to imply that it is.
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What WWhisky is doing is not in violation of any terms of services, stop trying to imply that it is.
When someone makes you the moderator ???? :rofl you can start telling people what to do ...
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When someone makes you the moderator ???? :rofl you can start telling people what to do ...
Actually, baseless accusations of a player cheating is a violation and people have been given the PNG time out for doing so.
I also find if funny and very ironic that you're accusing WWhiskey and his squadron of wrong doing when your squadron is one of the worst offenders in the MW. I don't think WWhiskey's squadron shares accounts and account information, unlike your Furious Furies squadron which by the way is in violation of the TOS.
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OK OK lets get back on topic LOL so how about keeping points to the arena they are earned in? IMHO anyone that doesnt like this idea is probably one of the perk farmers we have been talking about.
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Actually, baseless accusations of a player cheating is a violation and people have been given the PNG time out for doing so.
I also find if funny and very ironic that you're accusing WWhiskey and his squadron of wrong doing when your squadron is one of the worst offenders in the MW. I don't think WWhiskey's squadron shares accounts and account information, unlike your Furious Furies squadron which by the way is in violation of the TOS.
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Well I wasn't going to drop any names, but since AKAK said it.... :neener:
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OK OK lets get back on topic LOL so how about keeping points to the arena they are earned in? IMHO anyone that doesnt like this idea is probably one of the perk farmers we have been talking about.
I think it's a very good idea to limit the perks gained in a particular arena to that arena only. It would prevent those that use multiple accounts to farm perks in the MW for the LW but it won't stop them from doing it to use the perks in the MW.
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I think it's a very good idea to limit the perks gained in a particular arena to that arena only. It would prevent those that use multiple accounts to farm perks in the MW for the LW but it won't stop them from doing it to use the perks in the MW.
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true, but the vast majority of perk farmers in MW are from LW.
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I thought they made it so EW and MW perks stay in those arenas way back when I still played. Or at least there was talk about it because of the people that went to EW and were farming or shade killing to use the perks in LW.
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Maybe i need to make a different thread about this then. So it doesnt get lost in this one and HTC not see it.
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accidental double post....
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Ok... here we are again.
First off... lets clear one thing up. "Perk farming" as Skuzzy was referring to it is using two accounts in such a way that you are online with both at the same time. Using one as a "target" and the other to shoot the planes the first is flying over and over again, earning perks and kills with no effort or chance of being shot down... since you are shooting at a plane controlled by you. This can also be applied to players who do this by working together by flying on different teams but who work together to "give" each other free and easy kills.
Logging into the low numbered side and taking a bomber to hit strats or towns, and choosing not to join in the fights that are going on in other areas of the map... is often referred to as "perk farming" but is not the same thing, and is completely within the rules, and is an intended feature of the game as it is currently set up. This is what WWhiskey was referring to as perk farming. I have flown with WWhiskey for 3 years... and I can say with total certainty that he has never cheated, or manipulated the game unfairly. He doesnt need to. He is an outstanding player... one of the best pilots and tankers I have ever seen in this game. Not to mention, he doesnt care about his score.
Second... the continual whining and complaining on the boards about "how midwar is dead... dying... has a cancer" or whatever by those who are unwilling to do anything about it is solving nothing. In fact... it hurts the arena more. Pointing fingers at individuals, or squads for not playing the game in a manner that someone else thinks they should is solving nothing. Trying to get special features added to, or changed in the midwar arena isnt going to help it in my opinion either.
Everything that happens in MW... happens in LW too. It's just that in MW, since the number of players is much smaller, there are a couple of things that happen that are different.
1) Almost everyone knows each other... this either develops close bonds (even between opposing sides) or strong hatreds (even on the same sides). In MW there arent 15 fights going on that you can go do something else and still find action with. Most of the time, there are 1 or 2 fights you have to choose from if you want to be a part of the action.
2) The sides get unbalanced quickly and without notice. Our squad took it upon ourselves to see if switching sides would help balance out the arena some. At first... it does. But when there are 7 players on each side... and 3 bish (just for arguments sake) log off to go eat, wife ack or whatever... the unbalance is back. Also... people like flying on the same side with the friends and squadmates. If the sides go out of balance, I know I am not just going to change sides and not be able to talk with my friends just to make someone who is whining about being outnumbered happy. In those cases... I usually just go to LW if I feel like we are overpowering a side that has no chance... and fly with my friends and squadmates there.
Midwar is never... and has never... had the numbers that late war is going to have. 10 on a side at any given time is a high number of players there, and is fairly rare. Why? Well its not because one side dominates the others. It not because there are people whining and crying on all channel that drives people away. Its because the "hot" planes and tanks are all in LW. You cant fly a Spit16 in MW. You cant fly a PonyD in MW. You cant drive an M18 or a Tiger2 in MW. More people are attracted to the "better" planes... and that in turns attracts more people because that is where the crowd is.
Grumpy... when I first came to AH... I felt the same way you do about LW. I hated it. I settled down into MW. But a year or so ago when VF-15 moved to LW to get away from the drama going on in MW... I learned that I was wrong. LW isnt "bad"... its just different. Yes... there are massive fights of 30 and 40 planes in giant furballs. There are tank fights where sometimes you are dead before you can even see who is around you. But there are also some epic battles that occur. Its just different... and often times I enjoy that just as much or more than being in MW. Im not telling you that you are wrong... maybe LW isnt your cup of tea... and that's cool. It wasnt mine for a long time either, but after being in it for awhile, I changed my mind and its just another place to fly and have fun with my friends.
OK OK lets get back on topic LOL so how about keeping points to the arena they are earned in? IMHO anyone that doesnt like this idea is probably one of the perk farmers we have been talking about.
Now... your question. And before I get accused of being "one of those perk farmers" by someone...
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Thats 3 years of perkies. If I am a perk farmer I am a damn crappy one. What it really boils down to is I dont CARE about perk points. I also dont care about score (feel free to check it if you are bored). If I get perks for something... thats cool. If I lose an ME-262 and the perks that goes with it... oh well. I used to have a lot more bomber perks, but I lost a whole flight of B-29's because I was stupid. One of these days I may get enough to be stupid with them again... if I dont... oh well.
But Grumpy... I am on the fence about keeping perks in the arena you earn them in. Sometimes I think its a good idea. Yes... it would keep people from coming into an arena and making strat runs to earn perks they are going to use somewhere else. But that cuts both ways. It removes an incentive for people to come to MW... and if you want the numbers in MW to go up, it needs all the incentive it can get.
The numbers in MW arent going to go up overnight no matter what anyone does. No matter how much people gripe here. People that want to fly in MW are going to fly there because they want to. In days past, there were 4 or 5 squads that were on opposing sides that kept the arena in balance... and we all loved to hate each other. Now there are only a couple. MW needs dedicated squads again to keep the sides balanced, and the action going.
So... after a long and drawn out post... that no one is going to care about anyway... that's what I think.
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First off thank you for a well thought out post :salute
Now here is what I think....
It removes an incentive for people to come to MW... and if you want the numbers in MW to go up, it needs all the incentive it can get. This is exactly, from what i gather from other players i have talked to, what MW doesnt want. I personally never said it was cheating, its called "Gaming the game" and if thats the only way some can earn perk points then maybe they need to go back to the TA and practice a little more. We want people to come in and fight, not go to the low or no numbers side and run a set of bettys to get points. This messes eny up for one thing and secondly if said player is not engaging in the fight so to speak with as low as the numbers usually are it doesnt do any good.
I hear what you are saying about LW, ive been playing this game for 10+ years and have spent time in every arena. I flew nothing but LW for years when I first started. I also know that MW will never have the numbers LW has and I personally would like to keep it that way. The numbers are not exactly the biggest issue its spreading them evenly across the board. You cant tell me its fun to outnumber a country 15-3 and roll their bases. If thats your kind of fun then to each his own but I know for a fact when someone, including myself logs in and sees numbers like that they just leave.
For instance last night when i logged on numbers were about even between the bish and nits at about 9 each, rooks were low with 2. I almost went rook to even out the numbers but the 2 rooks on were not interested in the fight so i stayed bish. After about 40 minutes or so the numbers dropped on the nit side by half or so and bish outnumbered them about 3-1, then it was 4-1 then it was 5-1. The nits that were on got frustrated and left, im assuming anyway. I watched this from the tower by the way while chatting with LTCAP on vox so i was not part of the "Bish Hord" im sure someone is about to go off on. I then logged off and went to bed.
WWhiskey accuses me of just wanting it my way or the high way, thats about the most childish response ive seen on this thread. Like ive said, im not the only one that feels the way I do, im just the most vocal. I figure its my $15 too and if im gonna pay whats wrong with putting out how I feel.
:salute AKP.... always had fun fighting you in MW
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First off thank you for a well thought out post :salute
:salute AKP.... always had fun fighting you in MW
Right back at ya :salute
It removes an incentive for people to come to MW... and if you want the numbers in MW to go up, it needs all the incentive it can get. This is exactly, from what i gather from other players i have talked to, what MW doesnt want. I personally never said it was cheating, its called "Gaming the game" and if thats the only way some can earn perk points then maybe they need to go back to the TA and practice a little more. We want people to come in and fight, not go to the low or no numbers side and run a set of bettys to get points. This messes eny up for one thing and secondly if said player is not engaging in the fight so to speak with as low as the numbers usually are it doesnt do any good.
My only point about the numbers going up, was that if there were a few more dedicated MW players... bringing the numbers up some, it would make side balancing easier than it is now. Right now its almost impossible. No... MW doesnt need to have the numbers LW has... but a few more would be nice.
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My only point about the numbers going up, was that if there were a few more dedicated MW players... bringing the numbers up some, it would make side balancing easier than it is now. Right now its almost impossible. No... MW doesnt need to have the numbers LW has... but a few more would be nice.
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10 -20 more would be great... 30 - 40 would be perfect i think personally.
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I thought they made it so EW and MW perks stay in those arenas way back when I still played. Or at least there was talk about it because of the people that went to EW and were farming or shade killing to use the perks in LW.
It would be sensible, except that there just isn't much to use perks for in MW ... Tigers, Spit 8, Typhoon ... That's it ... NO BOMBERS at all.
Once in a while I take my meager accumulation to late war and check out one of the DELUXE rides ... It's fun and interesting ... If there's NO USE for the perks won, it's going to result in a LOT MORE pissed off players than are suggesting perks stay in the arena.
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Sorry... have to do this...
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its made it this long slip, dont think you have to worry about it.