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Title: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: MachFly on January 13, 2012, 12:21:02 AM
These days the wishlist forum is being a place for spam. Every week we get a new thread on topic that was discussed a previous week, and these threads end up with the same conclusion every week. When new ideas come they often drop down to the bottom of the page before most people get to read them because it's a lot more important to discuss whether or not we need the PBY & P-61.
I think AH could have been a lot better right now if all the good ideas were actually read by more than five people.

A rule should either be enforced or completely removed.

Quote from: Skuzzy
3- Do not open a new thread that duplicates a current topic.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: oakranger on January 13, 2012, 12:52:01 AM
These days the wishlist forum is being a place for spam. Every week we get a new thread on topic that was discussed a previous week, and these threads end up with the same conclusion every week. When new ideas come they often drop down to the bottom of the page before most people get to read them because it's a lot more important to discuss whether or not we need the PBY & P-61.
I think AH could have been a lot better right now if all the good ideas were actually read by more than five people.

A rule should either be enforced or completely removed.


I agree but i think skuzzy just does not have the time to police every forum threads. 
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: FLS on January 13, 2012, 04:14:55 AM
I assume you checked the previous 9000 posts in the wishlist before posting this idea.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: MK-84 on January 13, 2012, 04:33:29 AM
But by posting this you are in violation of rule #5

 :D
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: icepac on January 13, 2012, 08:03:43 AM
These days the wishlist forum is being a place for spam. Every week we get a new thread on topic that was discussed a previous week, and these threads end up with the same conclusion every week. When new ideas come they often drop down to the bottom of the page before most people get to read them because it's a lot more important to discuss whether or not we need the PBY & P-61.
I think AH could have been a lot better right now if all the good ideas were actually read by more than five people.

A rule should either be enforced or completely removed.


What is the cut-off time limit?

The search function here usually nets you 8 year old threads even if there are threads 7.9 years newer on the exact same subject.

Maybe these guys who are violating your peace have been here less time than the previous threads of the same subject?
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: Pand on January 13, 2012, 08:35:31 AM
I 'bumped' an older topic to get it back up the list rather than duplicate it by creating a new one, and it was locked by HiTech as an 'old topic'.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: ImADot on January 13, 2012, 08:57:00 AM
I 'bumped' an older topic to get it back up the list rather than duplicate it by creating a new one, and it was locked by HiTech as an 'old topic'.

Yeah, small difference between bumping an old topic and starting a new topic that references or links that older topic. I can see the reason though. Bumping the topic forces everyone to read the old stuff, which may be so out of date as to be irrelevant. Creating a new topic cuts out having to dig through all the old posts; just quote the actual post in that thread that you think is relevant, then people can choose whether to go back and read the old thread or just comment in the current thread.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: Shuffler on January 13, 2012, 11:50:28 AM
I assume you checked the previous 9000 posts in the wishlist before posting this idea.

lol my thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: EskimoJoe on January 13, 2012, 12:19:07 PM
I'd say if it's within the first 3 pages of the thread list then it should be enforced.

Provided vanilla bbs settings.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: grizz441 on January 13, 2012, 12:29:04 PM
I assume you checked the previous 9000 posts in the wishlist before posting this idea.

Lol, oh snap.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: bortas1 on January 13, 2012, 12:37:20 PM
I assume you checked the previous 9000 posts in the wishlist before posting this idea.
:rofl
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: hitech on January 13, 2012, 12:48:43 PM
Quite frankly it all depends on the intent.

Wishing for something that was wished for before that you don't know about is not a big deal.

Wishing for something that you currently see on the front page would simply be for the purpose of wanting more attention and adds nothing.

Bumping your own topic that had died because you think people didn't consider it , is again simply wanting more attention and adds nothing.

HiTech
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: MachFly on January 13, 2012, 02:51:28 PM
I understand if someone posts a thread on a topic that has been discussed before and does not know it. But we have a lot of people who continually post requests for the same thing. Your right the continues requests add attention, but they also make it harder to filter out all the new ideas.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: Wiley on January 13, 2012, 03:03:06 PM
Wait...  There are new ideas?

Wiley.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: bustr on January 13, 2012, 06:11:24 PM
HTC has limited precious time in it's production cycle to achive and maintaine this ongoing work of art.

As long as you aren't blowing up the house, skining the neighbjors dog, shooting the postman, or other destructive pastimes but, showing a continuing inerest in a subject. Then you are happely leaving the production staff alone to do their jobs. And helping HTC to see that you reeeeeaaallllyyy, rrreeaaaallllyyyy have an interest in that item.

Better to have you in an organised asylum chewing on each others dreams than stirring up trouble in the other forums.

Just a variation on the Red Ball, Green Ball, Blue Ball distraction method. No one gets hurt and you have 3 balls to play with in a room all to yourselves. Idle hands and all that rot comes to mind.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: FLS on January 13, 2012, 07:25:01 PM
I understand if someone posts a thread on a topic that has been discussed before and does not know it. But we have a lot of people who continually post requests for the same thing. Your right the continues requests add attention, but they also make it harder to filter out all the new ideas.

It's easy enough to ignore people who you feel are wasting your time. It's more important to encourage the new people who are just joining the AHBB community.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: Rob52240 on January 16, 2012, 01:46:04 AM
I'm so tempted to repost this under a new thread next week.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: MachFly on January 19, 2012, 05:27:55 PM
Wishing for something that was wished for before that you don't know about is not a big deal.

Perfect timing. Most of the time it's not a big deal, but when someone clearly refuses to search it stars to become a problem.

Let's say for a minute that cluttering up the forum is not a factor. When someone is continuously posting stuff that was been brought up before it starts pissing people off and eventually they start getting in trouble with you guys because of their posts.

See this thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,327263.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,327263.0.html)

Yeah it's the people's fault for posting it so there all getting "Skuzzified" for it, but in reality if we stop one problem it would be better for all of us. Locking one person's thread for not searching is a lot better then suspending all the other people.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: MachFly on January 19, 2012, 05:33:24 PM
I assume you checked the previous 9000 posts in the wishlist before posting this idea.

If you can find me a less than 5 year old thread that I duplicated than I will apologize and restrain myself from using the wishlist forum for the next month.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: ImADot on January 19, 2012, 05:47:08 PM
the people's fault for posting it so there all getting "Skuzzified" for it, but in reality if we stop one problem it would be better for all of us. Locking one person's thread for not searching is a lot better then suspending all the other people.

If one person new to the BBS learns to search, and I don't think it's against the rules to not search before posting something, then that's a good thing and they should be welcomed to the community; at least they seem to show an interest in the game. If all the "Skuzzified" regulars are getting suspended for continued breaking of the rules, then it's clear they will never learn and I say "too bad, so sad..." and will not lose any sleep over it.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: FLS on January 20, 2012, 12:12:03 PM
When someone is continuously posting stuff that was been brought up before it starts pissing people off and eventually they start getting in trouble with you guys because of their posts.

If people get pissed off it's not the OP's fault, it's emotional incontinence. Posting inappropriately because you're pissed off and getting in trouble for repeated rule violations are not the OP's fault, it's immaturity and poor impulse control.


If you can find me a less than 5 year old thread that I duplicated than I will apologize and restrain myself from using the wishlist forum for the next month.

Are you claiming you checked before you posted or is that just something you want other people to do?
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: davidwales on January 20, 2012, 12:56:41 PM
well macfly i just understand where you are coming from, i have been researching everthing as my pc isnt up to scratch to play the game as yet , but it seems you just want to destruct every thread i make , as dale said the items posted are so dorment they may be redisscussed now , but many have not been , dont have such "i hate this guy attitude" , we have all 1 brain , so if you dont like it dont readit , ive read the rules now and maybe i breached some of these rules , whilst not knowing they existed but at the end of the day , im doing my best to research everything and learning as i go along , and i would not break rules , i think more ideas have been brought out of the bag since my motherboard went , than ever so sorry  no , you are wrong on this one  :salute
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: MachFly on January 20, 2012, 08:58:25 PM
Are you claiming you checked before you posted or is that just something you want other people to do?

As a matter effect I did check. I'm pretty sure no one posted this in the past 5 years, but if I'm wrong I will I will apologize and leave the wishlist forum for the next month.  :)
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: MachFly on January 20, 2012, 09:05:36 PM
well macfly i just understand where you are coming from, i have been researching everthing as my pc isnt up to scratch to play the game as yet , but it seems you just want to destruct every thread i make , as dale said the items posted are so dorment they may be redisscussed now , but many have not been , dont have such "i hate this guy attitude" , we have all 1 brain , so if you dont like it dont readit , ive read the rules now and maybe i breached some of these rules , whilst not knowing they existed but at the end of the day , im doing my best to research everything and learning as i go along , and i would not break rules , i think more ideas have been brought out of the bag since my motherboard went , than ever so sorry  no , you are wrong on this one  :salute

I think you actually misunderstood what I said. I believe I actually made this thread before you started posting your ideas so it is not directed at you, I just used one of your threads as an example.
Your not the only one who continuously posts ideas that have been brought up before.

My main problem with redundant threads is a secondary discussion. When you have a lot of threads that have been discussed before the one or two threads with new ideas get lost in that list, those ideas might have actually been implemented but because they were unnoticed no one knew that people wanted it or considered it as a good idea.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: guncrasher on January 20, 2012, 09:07:30 PM
As a matter effect I did check. I'm pretty sure no one posted this in the past 5 years, but if I'm wrong I will I will apologize and leave the wishlist forum for the next month.  :)

they havent posted your wish as you specifically mentioned it, however there has been many threads in the last couple of years about limiting the number of threads/posts according to either time on thebb/players only/  and a couple of other reasons i cant remember.  which is basically what your wish is requesting.


semp
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: MachFly on January 20, 2012, 09:33:11 PM
they havent posted your wish as you specifically mentioned it, however there has been many threads in the last couple of years about limiting the number of threads/posts according to either time on thebb/players only/  and a couple of other reasons i cant remember.  which is basically what your wish is requesting.


semp

No. I request that HTC enforces their rules, simple as that. I don't care how many posts a new member makes as long as their not repeating old discussions.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: FLS on January 21, 2012, 08:11:17 AM
No. I request that HTC enforces their rules, simple as that. I don't care how many posts a new member makes as long as their not repeating old discussions.

They do enforce their rules. Another wish granted!

You want them to enforce rules with no regard for circumstances. They are better than that.   :D
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: MachFly on January 21, 2012, 03:21:46 PM
They do enforce their rules. Another wish granted!

Where have you been?
90% of threads on the wishlist forum were discussed before.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: davidwales on January 22, 2012, 12:28:07 PM
im extremley sorry about that , and since skuzzy has pointed that out to me, i research everthing before i post , i know where you are coming from though about spam , but i can guarantee that is the last thing i want to do, there are 2 main reasons why ive posted so many times .

1 my pc is playing so i love this game so much im looking for new ideas ,and im unable to play the game, and ive found the wish list by accident really to complain about a seperate issue , in which i was repremanded as i never read the rules before posting .

2 I think it is hugely important to breath new life into the bb , as most of you argue among your selves , and nothing gets done , i know there are prob several players who hate the way ive posted so many items in such a small time , but i have taken the time to read all your posts , and can see the problem here , you must try and stay calm and keep within the boundries of the bb , since ive read the rules and looked at all your ideas , i think 98 per cent of the guys in aces high , have the best intent , but sometimes frustration gets the better of you , i do hope you will reconsider some of my ideas and not white wash them , on the grounds of discrimadation , as some of you have given possitive feed back , and not all my ideas are rubbish , live long and prosper  :rock
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: Butcher on January 22, 2012, 12:34:25 PM
Biggest problem is people fail to use Search, most of the questions asked were not even a month old - simply drop a message in those topics and give your ideas, when you make a new topic based on one not even a month old it doesn't help the chance for it to get added.
 
Especially if someone given technical data in another thread and someone opens a new topic "I WANT THIS!!" without anything added.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: davidwales on January 22, 2012, 12:45:25 PM
yes ok i will give all the stats from now on , i do understand you know its frustrating doing all the research and your thread drops ,due to somone bringing a idea that was already posted , from now on i will put the reason for posting the idea plus any quotes i can find , but i did not realise at the time which im very sorry , but it was not to make any of you angry  :salute
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: guncrasher on January 22, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
david if you think about it some of this guys have been around for years here.  so most ideas that you can think of have already been proposed many times over.  there isnt an airplane/gv from ww2 that hasnt been proposed time and time again.  that doesnt mean you cannot request the same airplane/gv/idea that has been proposed before.  but some of your wishes that you proposed had just been proposed a week or two before.  and when you add multiple threads like you did some will dismiss it as just spam and dont even bother to discuss.

it's better to propose a well researched wish (even those that have been around a zillion times) than multiple incomplete ones.  that is what they are trying to tell you and you are beginning to understand.  your ideas will be more accepted if they have the "proper" research.  :salute


semp
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: davidwales on January 22, 2012, 06:05:37 PM
yes i totally agree i will research everything 110 per cent , i dont want to fall out with any of you , and i am constantley looking at all your feed back some i find real fasanating , i love all the links etc , ww2 is my main thoughts , i am really interested in the bell , in which was being worked on in top secret ,by the germans, also i think the germans were very good in development , if i could put it in context i would say germany 1st usa 2nd uk  3rd in aircraft development even though we had the spit and hurricane , the germans chose the wrong aircraft to mass produce ,at that time , and that lost them the war along with goering who was a blagger . :airplane:
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: guncrasher on January 22, 2012, 06:22:58 PM
also be ready for your idea to be taken apart, criticized and dissected for cause or no cause.  that is just how it is.  dont take it personally.  please remember the idea is to have airplanes in here that actually had combat and saw action in squadron strength.  there's a few that are borderline here but if you ask for something that only existed on paper, well i also wish the pony had 4 20mm hispanos and we both sol  :cry.


semp
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: Butcher on January 22, 2012, 06:34:52 PM
also be ready for your idea to be taken apart, criticized and dissected for cause or no cause.  that is just how it is.  dont take it personally.  please remember the idea is to have airplanes in here that actually had combat and saw action in squadron strength.  there's a few that are borderline here but if you ask for something that only existed on paper, well i also wish the pony had 4 20mm hispanos and we both sol  :cry.


semp

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P-51 by the newly formed USAAF and were initially named Apache, although this was soon dropped, and the RAF name, Mustang, adopted instead. The USAAF did not like the mixed armament of the British Mustang Is and instead adopted an armament of four long-barrelled 20 mm (.79 in) Hispano Mk II cannon, and deleted the .50 cal engine cowling mounted weapons. The British designated this model as Mustang Mk IA.

Its called the Mustang Mk IA - only problem is its limited to 15k as it had a single stage turbocharger.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: davidwales on January 22, 2012, 06:35:22 PM
well i dont care if you take my ideas and remodel them , i prob havnt any credability on here , but im doing my best to bring new ideas to the table , i would love some one to come up with something poss , wot about the g55 wot some 1 asked for , or the salamander he 162 , or d 520 , you should all use my ideas or stick to one model htc cant grant wishes for everything . :salute
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: Butcher on January 22, 2012, 06:38:08 PM
well i dont care if you take my ideas and remodel them , i prob havnt any credability on here , but im doing my best to bring new ideas to the table , i would love some one to come up with something poss , wot about the g55 wot some 1 asked for , or the salamander he 162 , or d 520 , you should all use my ideas or stick to one model htc cant grant wishes for everything . :salute

Problem is you don't seem to understand, the aircraft/gv must of seen combat and been in combat strength - this is a general rule of thumb.

The flying wing you posted, was not in squadron strength, look for aircraft's that served in combat between 1939 and 1945.

Plenty of Early War and Midwar aircraft that need to be added, I can think of at least 20.
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: davidwales on January 22, 2012, 06:45:31 PM
a bit like the me 162 then 16 kills and 10 losses (wiki leaks ), its a good aircraft in this game and very realistic , but it is not a tactical aircraft apart from upping quick .
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: Butcher on January 22, 2012, 06:47:35 PM
a bit like the me 162 then 16 kills and 10 losses (wiki leaks ), its a good aircraft in this game and very realistic , but it is not a tactical aircraft apart from upping quick .

How many squadrons were fully operational with the He-162?
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: davidwales on January 22, 2012, 06:48:38 PM
a bit like the me 162 , 16 kills 10 losses ,it is a good aircraft in this game but has no tactical role , it is only good to shoot bombers down at high alt , which 20 aircraft have you in mind so i can look at your spec,  :salute
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: Butcher on January 22, 2012, 06:52:44 PM
a bit like the me 162 , 16 kills 10 losses ,it is a good aircraft in this game but has no tactical role , it is only good to shoot bombers down at high alt , which 20 aircraft have you in mind so i can look at your spec,  :salute

Well HTC didn't exactly specify the criteria, but its generally been said "in squadron strength" - kills wouldn't matter.

I'd have to do some serious research unless you want too, to prove its worth adding in game. I don't think it would of been in full combat strength,
otherwise over the past many years it would of been asked more then once.

Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: davidwales on January 22, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
none !! 300 built splattered all over the place , and were death traps google how many pilots killed me 162 , more pilots killed landing than in combat  :aok
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: guncrasher on January 22, 2012, 08:41:47 PM
a bit like the me 162 then 16 kills and 10 losses (wiki leaks ), its a good aircraft in this game and very realistic , but it is not a tactical aircraft apart from upping quick .

no you are quoting a reference to the me163 from wikipedia.  just dont ask for it, please.



semp
Title: Re: Greater Enforcement of Rule 3
Post by: MachFly on January 22, 2012, 11:21:01 PM
YES!!!

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,327481.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,327481.0.html)