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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Gr8pape on January 16, 2012, 10:37:46 AM
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The eny program in this game needs a serious rework, or do away with it completely because it is not working.
I don't know what can be done to fix the system but it definitely needs to be fixed, this is just one time that this has happened, it happens all the time, case in point...
CNT INFLIGHT ENY
Bish 144 104 0.0
Nit 189 140 0.0
Rook 168 136 0.0
If I knew how to post a picture in here I would show the screen shot.
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You forgot to post the most important data - %, which is what ENY is based upon:
Bish 29%
Nit 38%
Rook 33%
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So would it be better if the threshold was lower and more people were denied the ride of their choice ?
Would it be better if you could just hit a button and deny the guys you don't like their aircraft of choice ?
Could you please explain how the "horriblenysystemthatmakesbaby jesuscry" specifically is not to your liking ?
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B = 28.7
K = 37.7
R = 33.5
Percentages, maybe I don't understand the eny system, I thought it was a rate of inflight numbers against other teams inflight numbers.
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Does the ENY do anything in game other than make people theorize that HTC likes country X more than their country, and frustrate people who are country loyal that want to fly low ENY rides?
Does it actually have any positive impact on the game whatsoever? Not what it's designed to do, but what it actually does. From my point of view, the answer is no, but I'm wondering what others think?
Wiley.
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Percentages, maybe I don't understand the eny system, I thought it was a rate of inflight numbers against other teams inflight numbers.
No, it's strictly based on arena population. Simply speaking, ENY limiter is based on comparing your country's % to the % of the smallest coutnry. Once a certain threshold is crossed, ENY kicks in, going up quickly as the imbalance is getting greater.
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Does the ENY do anything in game other than make people theorize that HTC likes country X more than their country, and frustrate people who are country loyal that want to fly low ENY rides?
Does it actually have any positive impact on the game whatsoever? Not what it's designed to do, but what it actually does. From my point of view, the answer is no, but I'm wondering what others think?
Wiley.
There aint no ENY in the FSO Wiley, and since that's all you fly now that you got hooked on some BS SKYRIM fantasy of the wood elves thing . Yeah, just try and stab me with that magical sword thingie, I got a REAL P47 and 8 50's waiting for ya.
Homey
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Does the ENY do anything in game other than make people theorize that HTC likes country X more than their country, and frustrate people who are country loyal that want to fly low ENY rides?
Does it actually have any positive impact on the game whatsoever?
Yes. It levels the playing field... somewhat. Far from being perfect, but much better than having no ENY limiter at all.
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There aint no ENY in the FSO Wiley, and since that's all you fly now that you got hooked on some BS SKYRIM fantasy of the wood elves thing . Yeah, just try and stab me with that magical sword thingie, I got a REAL P47 and 8 50's waiting for ya.
Homey
Skyrim has sort of run its course as my 'primary game', I'm back in the skies more often again, headhunting high ponies and jugs. :devil
Yes. It levels the playing field... somewhat. Far from being perfect, but much better than having no ENY limiter at all.
What would the difference be though? I'm not talking about making cheap perk rides for the low sides either, I'm talking purely from the standpoint of limiting the high side- Do they actually switch, put up with the higher ENY rides, or log?
I personally see little to no difference between 5 P47D25s above me looking to kill me and 5 P51s doing the same. I also don't see the numbers even out much over the course of 2 or 3 hours that can't be explained by people simply logging for the night.
Wiley.
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What would the difference be though? I'm not talking about making cheap perk rides for the low sides either, I'm talking purely from the standpoint of limiting the high side- Do they actually switch, put up with the higher ENY rides, or log?
I personally see little to no difference between 5 P47D25s above me looking to kill me and 5 P51s doing the same.
The difference depends on how severe ENY is. No N1k, Bf 110 and Lancasters do restrict the landgrabbing horde somewhat, and as a player lving to hunt goons in a fast plane in a sector full of enemies, 5 D-2's are much less of a threat than 5 Ponies. They actually are less capable in the A2A role...
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The difference depends on how severe ENY is. No N1k, Bf 110 and Lancasters do restrict the landgrabbing horde somewhat, and as a player lving to hunt goons in a fast plane in a sector full of enemies, 5 D-2's are much less of a threat than 5 Ponies. They actually are less capable in the A2A role...
I'll concede it may make a difference in some relatively limited roles like your goon example, but I find it difficult to see that much difference between multitudes of lancs versus multitudes of other buffs, and there's plenty of high ENY stuff that will jabo all day.
It just seems to me to be a whine generator from both sides, either by restricting one country loyal set of players, or by not restricting a country loyal set of players that the other side feels should be restricted.
Perhaps it's a difference since the consolidation of the two arenas, we're seeing more situations where one side has a 40 to 50 man advantage, with no ENY and people see that as more of a problem than a 10 or 15 man advantage with no ENY in a smaller arena.
Wiley.
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IMHO, the only way you can have a more severe/restrictive ENY system would be to give players the choice to opt out and move to balance the sides. I'm somewhat ambivalent about the thought that a player would not be able to fly his or her plane of choice w/out any way out of the situation short of logging off till the numbers balance out.
Alternate ideas would be allow side switching within the 12 hour window as long as it was to address the population balance, or using ENY has a base number to determine perk price, ie if the country ENY number is higher than the ENY value of the plane you can still fly it but there would be a perk price attached to it. Haven't thought through either idea completely, they could be absolutely horrible ideas for all I know (most of mine are ;)).
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I rarely fly anything with a eny less than 15, the point is when there is a more than 30 aircraft flying per side more than any other side there should be a eny increase, would reduce the hoarding aspect, I think at least.
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Maybe low eny planes cross a threshold into being "perked" instead of unavailable in unbalanced situations.
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Maybe low eny planes cross a threshold into being "perked" instead of unavailable in unbalanced situations.
+1 that would be logical
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Maybe low eny planes cross a threshold into being "perked" instead of unavailable in unbalanced situations.
Then you may as well just dump ENY and let people fly whatever they want no matter the side balance.
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Maybe, maybe not.
Paying a price for an uber ride certainly might discourage some folks from flying them. Could also cut both ways - "perked" planes could become "unperked" for the disadvantaged countries.
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Maybe, maybe not.
Paying a price for an uber ride certainly might discourage some folks from flying them. Could also cut both ways - "perked" planes could become "unperked" for the disadvantaged countries.
Cost in perks already changes.................
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ENY, No ENY. doesnt matter to me one way or the other. Take away one plane and I'll just fly another. I'll collect my fair share of scalps either way.
My success is generally dictated not by the plane Im in but rather the number of planes I have to go against at once. And even then not always.
That being said
Zone based ENY
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The above being said. The primary problem I see with ENY IMO is it doesnt do anything to balance the two country on 1 gangbang
Where you could have a situation of (All numbers are hypothetical examples only)
country "A" - 100 players
country "B" - 100 players
country "C" - 100 players
Eny would be balanced
But I've seen situations where Country B and C are attacking country A while largely ignoring each other leaving country "A" to face and be at a 2-1 disadvantage no matter which side they fight against
There are also other variations of this where the larger numbered side gets ganged by the two lower numbered sides
country "A" - 100 players
country "B" - 75 players
country "C" - 70 players
Where country A may be under penalty of ENY but in reality is fighting against superior numbers.
Which is why I would favor either a Base,zone or front based ENY
Each side would still be able to fly whatever plane they wanted. But the more uber rides might have to take off from farther back to get to the fight in the effected zone.
You could still engage in your vulch fest or horde. But to take off from the nearest base. you might have to take a less uber ride to get to the fight more quickly.
Like I said. It matters not to me what ENY is personally. But I do see what I view is flaws in the system.
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Then you may as well just dump ENY and let people fly whatever they want no matter the side balance.
Some people in the game have more perks than can ever be used, have to agree with Karnak on that reply, as much as it pains me to do so. :headscratch:
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eny really isnt the problem. its what the game has turned into and that is a hord land grap at what ever cost game. there are no tatictic any more. you try to defend and you have 20 guys ho raming what they can do to kill you. who wants to deal with that. any more i just log and go play wot. its really said to see what this game has turned into.lost a lot of the sqd and more talking about leaving the game.... eny does not stop a hord.... if they are hell bent to hit a base with half there country they going to find away.maybe if eny effected troops and ords maybe that would help.
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I agree that the ENY system does nothing to balance the sides... I also think it needs to be reworked.
When I started in AH in 2008, I was part of the Bishop horde that existed then. Mostly flying 110Gs to take towns down and then kill at any cost any fighter that dared to make a run for town to kill goons or troops.
We frequently were impacted by ENY... Many times we were unable to fly our 110s... I can remember waiting in the tower while the mission organizers watched the current ENY... I remember missions launching, but half the mission never launched because ENY changed during launch, so half the grou couldn't take off in our 110s or Niki's.
How often does that happen now?
I can't remember the last time ENY had any effect on what I upped in... Granted, I like some of the higher ENY planes now... And I don't give a crap about winning maps...
Does ENY ever impact anyone anymore?
I think the percentages that cause ENY to kick in need to be adjusted to be effective in our current AH world....
I also think that the side switching timer needs to be toned waaaaay the hell down... Twelve hours is crazy. ENY cannot help balance sides at 12 hour switch limits.
Keep in mind that I am a member of a squadron that only switches at the beginning of tours. So, the side switch limit doesn't affect how I play, but I still think that 12 hours is silly...
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i think eny should have an "in flight" component, it is a better indicator of playing numbers. i know i have left game up and running when i cant play and I'm sure many others do too. its a habit from the to arena days when you wanted to make show you were in the more populated arena.
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Pick a bird that isn't impacted by ENY. I don't ever recall not being able to fly my 38G :)
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Pick a bird that isn't impacted by ENY. I don't ever recall not being able to fly my 38G :)
My only beef with ENY is that it is not effective enough. I believe that it's weighting should be stronger and the side switching time be lower. This would encourage a re-balancing of sides. As the current system does not, only penalizes the side with the most numbers.
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eny does not work. just look what knights did. had eny of 20 plus and still had no problems hording bases. eny should effect ord payload and troops eny gets to high no more big bombs and troops size goes down. still want to take base takes goons can only take say so many troops@ what ever the % eny at and same for ords. high eny smaller bombs, less he round ect.. current system does not work... end of storie...
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Some people in the game have more perks than can ever be used, have to agree with Karnak on that reply, as much as it pains me to do so. :headscratch:
I don't think this is a problem worth worrying about though.
Why do some players have gobs of perk points to use as they wish? It's generally going to be because these players are mainly flying higher-ENY planes to kill lower-ENY planes, and are likely doing it while flying for the lower-numbers country. Also, they generally have high perk "accounts" because they aren't blowing them on perked low-ENY planes; they're instead continuing to fly their high-ENY planes to kill the low-ENY planes.
Players with vast perk point accounts are probably the last guys that anyone needs to worry about, and are also the last guys to be effected by ENY...
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I personally see little to no difference between 5 P47D25s above me looking to kill me and 5 P51s doing the same.
5 P47s=100% cooler and 10x more .50s pointing at you :lol
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I don't think this is a problem worth worrying about though.
Why do some players have gobs of perk points to use as they wish? It's generally going to be because these players are mainly flying higher-ENY planes to kill lower-ENY planes, and are likely doing it while flying for the lower-numbers country. Also, they generally have high perk "accounts" because they aren't blowing them on perked low-ENY planes; they're instead continuing to fly their high-ENY planes to kill the low-ENY planes.
Players with vast perk point accounts are probably the last guys that anyone needs to worry about, and are also the last guys to be effected by ENY...
yup
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Honestly I don't think the eny system affects me much.
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eny does not work. just look what knights did. had eny of 20 plus and still had no problems hording bases. eny should effect ord payload and troops eny gets to high no more big bombs and troops size goes down. still want to take base takes goons can only take say so many troops@ what ever the % eny at and same for ords. high eny smaller bombs, less he round ect.. current system does not work... end of storie...
Holy, run-on sentence.
This happens on all countries. Every country hordes, picks, HO's and participates in every other form gamey crap that one wants to conjure up.
None more than any other. You can get Lusche to make you a pie chart on it.
Besides, ENY has never prevented me from flying a 190 A-8 :rock
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:O :O Does eny have to do with wearing clothes? Cause im Naked!!!!! :x :x :x
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:O :O Does eny have to do with wearing clothes? Cause im Naked!!!!! :x :x :x
Settle down. Your dough balls are going to explode :noid
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Front based ENY seems like the way to go to me.
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The eny program in this game needs a serious rework, or do away with it completely because it is not working.
I don't know what can be done to fix the system but it definitely needs to be fixed, this is just one time that this has happened, it happens all the time, case in point...
CNT INFLIGHT ENY
Bish 144 104 0.0
Nit 189 140 0.0
Rook 168 136 0.0
If I knew how to post a picture in here I would show the screen shot.
:headscratch: But if it was taken out of the game, you would have what you see above, soooooo just pretend you got your wish :old:
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LOWER the ENY on about 15 aircraft, then LOWER the percentage threshold. Make ENY a factor. Currently, it isnt.
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This is what had everyone so upset last night:
(http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/ENY.png)
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:headscratch: But if it was taken out of the game, you would have what you see above, soooooo just pretend you got your wish :old:
I never said anything about taking it out of the game
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...or do away with it completely because it is not working.
You don't earn perk points based on ENY differentials anymore?
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You don't earn perk points based on ENY differentials anymore?
I stand corrected, sorry must have been on a rant.