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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: blood_scout67 on January 20, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
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right this subject needs to be address as it looks cool and 320 (about) were made http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Axis/1-Germany/01-Fighters/He-162/He-162M-6(A-1).htm :x :salute and really we need a new jet fight/ intercepter
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any one that reads this i posted twice by acciendent
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2 things:
1. If anything need to be added or updated. HiTech needs to update the last few AH1 aircraft.
2. we dont need another short range jet. The Me163 is hardly ever used to begin with. the Salamander would be no diffrent.
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So why do we need a new jet and why do we need this particular one?
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no one uses the komet cause it is a rocket plane that practicely impostable to land in the salmander is different it has wheels and is a jet not a rocket we need this one because it way more manvirable than the me 262 giving the less expert user freedom to fly while the me262 is hard to turn and isnt friendly to its user
So why do we need a new jet and why do we need this particular one?
2 things:
1. If anything need to be added or updated. HiTech needs to update the last few AH1 aircraft.
2. we dont need another short range jet. The Me163 is hardly ever used to begin with. the Salamander would be no diffrent.
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Completly wrong. Nobody flys the 163 because the damn thing has no real range, and very little ammo. Landing one is arguably even easier than landing a 262.
And the main issue for 262 pilots is everyone within icon range instantly being aware of them, trying to make crossing shots with what is one of the worst guns (balisticly) in the game, and dealing with everyone trying to ho, pick, and alt monkey you.
The 162 would be no different.
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we need this one because it way more manvirable than the me 262 giving the less expert user freedom to fly while the me262 is hard to turn and isnt friendly to its user
Could you elaborate on that?
Specifically do you have the weight (empty and gross), power to weight ratio, and wing loading for both jets? This would show how much more maneuverable it is and give us an idea on whether it's needed or not. Also could you explain what you mean by "Me 262 ... isnt friendly to its user" and how will the He-162 be more user friendly?
If what you are saying about it's maneuverability is correct than I think it will be a good plane to have. However I do think the Gloster Meteor should take priority as we don't have any Allied jets, and that is a good airplane.
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Could you elaborate on that?
Specifically do you have the weight (empty and gross), power to weight ratio, and wing loading for both jets? This would show how much more maneuverable it is and give us an idea on whether it's needed or not. Also could you explain what you mean by "Me 262 ... isnt friendly to its user" and how will the He-162 be more user friendly?
If what you are saying about it's maneuverability is correct than I think it will be a good plane to have. However I do think the Gloster Meteor should take priority as we don't have any Allied jets, and that is a good airplane.
yeah the gloss should take priority what i mean by maneurvable is the me262 has a problem when i fly it the plane doesnt respond very well it doesnt bank proply and when i dive i cant get the thing to fly and i die the thing a bout the he is the preformance thkis where the maneuverability comes in the he 162A-2 had maximum speed at normal thrust of 490 mph (789 kph) and at sea level (deck) at roughly 19 685 ft it can reach speed of 520 mph this speed could be increased for short peroids
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yeah the gloss should take priority what i mean by maneurvable is the me262 has a problem when i fly it the plane doesnt respond very well it doesnt bank proply and when i dive i cant get the thing to fly and i die the thing a bout the he is the preformance thkis where the maneuverability comes in the he 162A-2 had maximum speed at normal thrust of 490 mph (789 kph) and at sea level (deck) at roughly 19 685 ft it can reach speed of 520 mph this speed could be increased for short peroids
It is INteresting, your last word was "periods".
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_162
Well, it seems to pass the test. Was fielded in squad strength and apparently saw combat. This now goes on my wish list but way down. I agree lots of other birds to consider before we get to this.
Boo
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i forgot to mention that the plane packs very inpressive fire power 50 rrounds per gun 30mm mk 108 cannon or 120 rounds per gun at 20mm mg 151 :rock
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by the way the salmander is lighter than me 262 the max combat weight of a salmander is 2700 kg way light meaning it is more manuervable than the me262 which is 7130 kg so i hope this stops any conlict over the manuering because its light it got off the ground quicker and wasnt shot down like when most of allies ace got their kills over me262 :rock
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It is INteresting, your last word was "periods".
LOL
And the Salamander would suck, you say its better then the Me 262 so it'd be even higher perked, nobody would fly it. plus there is so many other planes that need to be added over that.
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The 162 would be interesting, but I don't think it would get the usage you think it will because it would be a "ripper". The 162 is made primarily of WOOD and was made to be a cheap alternative to the 262. I'd bet running that beast up to 500mph and pulling some high-Gs is likely to get you the sound of splintering wood and a quick trip into the dirt. I also remember that there was an issue with "snaking" at high speed / high AoA that was mitigated (but not completely fixed) by the downturned wingtips. Even if we got the A-2 model, this thing has short legs - 30 minutes at full fuel at sea level IRL - then add a fuel burn mult of x2 for the MA. 2x20mm with 120rpg is OK (A-2 model).
If your mission is to up quickly, climb fast, make a couple passes against some bombers and then run for home - the 162 would be an interesting alternative - a midpoint between the 163 and the 262.
If they make it, I'll give her a try, but I think there are probably better rides to add first.
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Could you elaborate on that?
Specifically do you have the weight (empty and gross), power to weight ratio, and wing loading for both jets? This would show how much more maneuverable it is and give us an idea on whether it's needed or not. Also could you explain what you mean by "Me 262 ... isnt friendly to its user" and how will the He-162 be more user friendly?
If what you are saying about it's maneuverability is correct than I think it will be a good plane to have. However I do think the Gloster Meteor should take priority as we don't have any Allied jets, and that is a good airplane.
Ummm, I hardly ever fly the 262 and I can turn it pretty easily and Im sure that there are more than a few guys in the MA that can consistently land 5+ Kills in one. Just cuz you either A)never have enough perks, or B)just don't make an effort to ask one of the 262 aces in the MAs you can't ask for a halfarse Jet to fly cuz YOU want it....
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i have researched this plane from top to bottom the plane can travel very fast and has a range of up to 120mins of fuel at full speed which might i add is faster than the me262 next the plane looks cool but its draw back is fire power still more than enough to handle a group of bombers but it hasnt got much firepower as the me262 has plus as i mention in a pre post it got of the ground quicker
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Could you elaborate on that?
Specifically do you have the weight (empty and gross), power to weight ratio, and wing loading for both jets? This would show how much more maneuverable it is and give us an idea on whether it's needed or not. Also could you explain what you mean by "Me 262 ... isnt friendly to its user" and how will the He-162 be more user friendly?
If what you are saying about it's maneuverability is correct than I think it will be a good plane to have. However I do think the Gloster Meteor should take priority as we don't have any Allied jets, and that is a good airplane.
Ummm, I hardly ever fly the 262 and I can turn it pretty easily and Im sure that there are more than a few guys in the MA that can consistently land 5+ Kills in one. Just cuz you either A)never have enough perks, or B)just don't make an effort to ask one of the 262 aces in the MAs you can't ask for a halfarse Jet to fly cuz YOU want it....
You sure you quoted the right person?
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i have researched this plane from top to bottom...
So any change you'd have the numbers for which I asked on the previous page? They will explain us whether or not it's more maneuverable than a 262.
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i have researched this plane from top to bottom the plane can travel very fast and has a range of up to 120mins of fuel at full speed which might i add is faster than the me262 next the plane looks cool but its draw back is fire power still more than enough to handle a group of bombers but it hasnt got much firepower as the me262 has plus as i mention in a pre post it got of the ground quicker
Depending which model you are talking about, endurance is far different at alt - and on the deck, secondly that 120 minutes would be fuel burn of 1, in aces high late war arena we have a fuel burn of 2, which means you cut those numbers in half.
On the deck the 162-A2 has only 40 minutes and 80 minutes at 16,000 feet, Fuel Burn of 2.0 means you have 20 minutes and 40 minutes.
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Here is my take on the 162; Should be added BEFORE the Meteor. Obviously wouldn't be perked as high or higher than a 262. 50-75% of the 262's price should be about right and reason being is, I've read that the 162's tail was prone to braking up at very high speeds and that she has, for the lack of a better term, "squirrely" flight characteristics in certain envelopes (one mentioned in a post made prior to this one). IF I remember correctly, she wasn't the easiest play to land either, with some losses resulting from said difficulty in landing.
I give the 162 a +1, however it should be a while before we get her. I'd MUCH rather see the He-111 and Do-17 before the 162. :D
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Here is my take on the 162; Should be added BEFORE the Meteor. Obviously wouldn't be perked as high or higher than a 262. 50-75% of the 262's price should be about right and reason being is, I've read that the 162's tail was prone to braking up at very high speeds and that she has, for the lack of a better term, "squirrely" flight characteristics in certain envelopes (one mentioned in a post made prior to this one). IF I remember correctly, she wasn't the easiest play to land either, with some losses resulting from said difficulty in landing.
I give the 162 a +1, however it should be a while before we get her. I'd MUCH rather see the He-111 and Do-17 before the 162. :D
There is a need for more perk equipment, however I am not sure how a 162 vs meteor vote would go, in my case i'd be voting on the meteor, more perks but has a better gun package, slower and more agile.
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There is a need for more perk equipment, however I am not sure how a 162 vs meteor vote would go, in my case i'd be voting on the meteor, more perks but has a better gun package, slower and more agile.
And way, WAY more usage from a historical perspective.
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And way, WAY more usage from a historical perspective.
I tend to shy away from "1946" Equipment for a reason, fact is we have to much pre-46 not added in the game.
Japan, Russia need to be filled out, France and Australia added, Germany could use a few buffs for "added eye candy".
Until this gets done, I won't vote on any LWA stuff.
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I tend to shy away from "1946" Equipment for a reason, fact is we have to much pre-46 not added in the game.
Japan, Russia need to be filled out, France and Australia added, Germany could use a few buffs for "added eye candy".
Until this gets done, I won't vote on any LWA stuff.
I would take any piston fighter from WWII over the Meteor, so my comment was really limited to a WWII perspective based comparison of the Meteor and the He162 and only the Meteor and He162.
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the metor never fought with the he162 and the fact of burn rate thats not nice :cry but on a more some good news i found out about the charatioristics of the amor and well it was designed to be mostly wood the plane in the same name was to have a mostly metal alloy armor and the wings mostly of wood but had a layer of meetal above how ever the tail wing was made of only wood and would brake at a g force over 5 however the plane still worked when this happened but not for very long
land was a not that differcult but stopping was
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Metal does not mean armor.
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... your last word was "periods".
irony :lol
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you nex time i post i will not use periods ops :rofl
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Congrats Bloodscout, you make Hitech look like a spelling bee champion :D
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not very good speller am i
Congrats Bloodscout, you make Hitech look like a spelling bee champion :D
rinr
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now people sem to be implying that this plane is a noobs plane so if you believe that you shouldnt have much trouble shooting it down will ya
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now people sem to be implying that this plane is a noobs plane so if you believe that you shouldnt have much trouble shooting it down will ya
Explain where this is said in this thread? "a noobs plane" most new players cannot fly a me-262 let alone a He-162, which its handling characteristics would be far worse then an Me-262.
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i have researched this plane from top to bottom the plane can travel very fast and has a range of up to 120mins of fuel at full speed which might i add is faster than the me262 next the plane looks cool but its draw back is fire power still more than enough to handle a group of bombers but it hasnt got much firepower as the me262 has plus as i mention in a pre post it got of the ground quicker
Where are you getting this 120 minutes of fuel at full throttle stuff from? A quick google on He-162 fuel capacity comes back with a lot of citations on the 30 minute fuel capacity.
http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/WingsOfEaglesMuseum/HeinkelHE162Salamander/index.htm
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/he162.html
http://ww2warbirds.net/ww2htmls/heinhe162.html
Fuel capacity figures with 950-1055 liters of fuel (I've seen both listed as fuel capacity) work out to about 760-844Kg (about 1,670-1,800lbs) of fuel -- which works right with the empty vs full weights of the 162, and the BMW-003 fuel consumption at 100% power at sea level is 2,500 lbs per hour - so that seems to work as well.
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So 15 minutes of flight time in the MA's... Makes me wonder if they'll hardcode it to have it's 30 minute flight time. :headscratch: Because I honestly don't think it would be worth even half the perk price of a 262 with just 15 minutes of flight time and tricky flight characteristics.
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So 15 minutes of flight time in the MA's... Makes me wonder if they'll hardcode it to have it's 30 minute flight time. :headscratch: Because I honestly don't think it would be worth even half the perk price of a 262 with just 15 minutes of flight time and tricky flight characteristics.
awww, mathematics...
1750 lbs of fuel, 2500lbs/hour, thats still 45 minutes. 45/2 isnt 15, rather close to 23. Big difference.
Also whats the 262s flight time at full power, on the deck? ~28 minutes. Yet at 350mph it can fly like 90 minutes... at 10k, at full throttle (520mph), it can fly 35 minutes...
23 on the deck, at full throttle is more than enough and a lot more than most of the prop planes.
I give it a -1. Not couse i dont like it, but the planeset definiately has large holes in the 1: Russian planeset 2: German bombers 3: Japaneese planeset 4: Italian planeset 5: the whole French planeset nuff said
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Completly wrong. Nobody flys the 163 because the damn thing has no real range, and very little ammo. Landing one is arguably even easier than landing a 262.
And the main issue for 262 pilots is everyone within icon range instantly being aware of them, trying to make crossing shots with what is one of the worst guns (balisticly) in the game, and dealing with everyone trying to ho, pick, and alt monkey you.
The 162 would be no different.
Most of my 262 kills were from a low 6 and the target never saw it comming
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Oh +1 Jets are fun :x
I was so bummed when the meteor lost :cry
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Ummm, I hardly ever fly the 262 and I can turn it pretty easily and Im sure that there are more than a few guys in the MA that can consistently land 5+ Kills in one. Just cuz you either A)never have enough perks, or B)just don't make an effort to ask one of the 262 aces in the MAs you can't ask for a halfarse Jet to fly cuz YOU want it....
You sure you quoted the right person?
Maybe not lol
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Oh +1 Jets are fun :x
I was so bummed when the meteor lost :cry
+1 for the meteor!
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Most of my 262 kills were from a low 6 and the target never saw it comming
You miss the point. The fact that as soon as you're spotted, that guy immediatly says "watch out guys, 262 here. Keep an eye peeled" makes your job much more difficult. "everyone within icon range" is an exageration, yes, but its not THAT big of an exageration.
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You miss the point. The fact that as soon as you're spotted, that guy immediatly says "watch out guys, 262 here. Keep an eye peeled" makes your job much more difficult. "everyone within icon range" is an exageration, yes, but its not THAT big of an exageration.
tank ace is completely right but he shouldnt of put its a exagaration because it isnt when some one gets shot down people get alerted to the enemy's presents. Chances are a lot of people will try to hunt you down after that sort of kill. Now me 262 running hiding and ambushing the other team probley wants their own back and theres plenty of jets to choose from oh no there isnt but if we got the salmander and the meator well then more to choose from and more for the roles in which thease planes fly