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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: talos on January 24, 2012, 09:41:32 AM
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(http://www.stinsonflyer.com/prop/c46-03.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/C-46_Commando.jpg/782px-C-46_Commando.jpg)
Specifications (C-46A):
Engines: Two 2,000-hp Pratt & Whitney R-2800-51 radial piston engines
Weight: Empty 30,000 lbs., Max Takeoff 45,000 lbs.
Wing Span: 108ft. 0in.
Length: 76ft. 4in.
Height: 21ft. 9in.
Performance:
Maximum Speed: 270 mph
Cruising Speed: 173 mph
Ceiling: 24,500 ft.
Range: 3,150 miles
Armament:
None
Built:
3,000+
The C46A was originally a Civilian model Airliner and was taken by the military and modified it was given more powerful engines and a large cargo door on the port side of the fuselage, a strengthened cargo floor, a hydraulic winch and folding seats for up to 40 troops
These planes were detrimental to the early part of the war in the Pacific. The planes and their 3-4 man crews (wasn't quite clear on that, some sources said 3 some said 4) flew resupply mission to China over "The Hump" (eastern end of the Himalayan Mountains). Japanese fighters were quite active in the area, and it was one of these flights that the C46 was credited with a kill on a Japanese Oscar.
"Captain Wally A. Gayda shot down at close range a Japanese fighter, apparently a Nakajima Ki-43, by firing a Browning automatic rifle through his C-46 front cabin window and killing the pilot." - http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/2/Curtiss%20Commando.htm (http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/2/Curtiss%20Commando.htm)
It was continually used in in the Pacific to fairy Troops and Supplies form Island to Island. The C46A could carry more the twice the troops, or it could carry twice the cargo load as the C47
C46D Commando
paratrooper variant, fitted with an extra door on the port side, or a door on both sides (again conflicting sources) this allowed the 36 paratroopers to exit the plane more rapidly
The specifications for the plane are roughly the same as the C46A
Built:
1,400+
So i was thinking that if this were to get added it would be able to carry either two airfield supplies, 20 vehicle supplies, or 2 sets of 10 troops. I think that the troops would only be available in late war as the model that carried the paratroopers wasn't developed until around 1945 for operation varsity. The 2 sets of 10 troops should have a 15 to 30 second delay between the two sets so you can't just drop both sets at the same time. Though it should probably be perked
Sources
http://www.warbirdalley.com/c46.htm (http://www.warbirdalley.com/c46.htm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Wright_C-46_Commando (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Wright_C-46_Commando)
http://www.armyhistory.org/ahf2.aspx?pgID=877&id=139&exCompID=56 (http://www.armyhistory.org/ahf2.aspx?pgID=877&id=139&exCompID=56)
http://www.vectorsite.net/avc46.html (http://www.vectorsite.net/avc46.html)
http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/2/Curtiss%20Commando.htm (http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/2/Curtiss%20Commando.htm)
I have my marshmellos and hot dogs ready for your replies
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yes please! +1
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So i was thinking that if this were to get added it would be able to carry either two airfield supplies, 20 vehicle supplies, or 2 sets of 10 troops. I think that the troops would only be available in late war as the model that carried the paratroopers wasn't developed until around 1945 for operation varsity. The 2 sets of 10 troops should have a 15 to 30 second delay between the two sets so you can't just drop both sets at the same time. Though it should probably be perked
An excellent Idea / Request ! I like this almost as much as the PBY !!! I would not set delay between the two sets of troops tho ... If you want to spread them out that far and provide different vectores to the map room, it just makes it a better challenge for the defender.
This is a VERY significant aircraft and one WORTH spending Perk Points on ... especially to resupply a critically important base in a pinch!
:cool:
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we already have the allied transport, the next transport has to be the Ju-52, followed by Ki-34 and maybe SM.81
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we already have the allied transport, the next transport has to be the Ju-52, followed by Ki-34 and maybe SM.81
Technically we have a axis transport as well, the DC-3 was built under license in Japan. :)
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C-5 please
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+1
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we already have the allied transport, the next transport has to be the Ju-52, followed by Ki-34 and maybe SM.81
To be honest i wouldn't mind having all three of those in game, but i posted this so that we could get a perked transport, that could more easily resupply a base, or bring much needed vehicle supplies to some tanks in need on a larger scale then the storch/C47 will/can. And the ability to carry two sets of ten troops would be a nice boost from the C47.
BTW:
the C46 was the largest and heaviest two engine plane to see service in WWII. It had a four foot larger wing span then the B17
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I wonder if HTC would model it's bad ground handling.
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And the ability to carry two sets of ten troops would be a nice boost from the C47.
All that would mean is that HiTech would raise the troops needed to capture to 20.
ack-ack
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All that would mean is that HiTech would raise the troops needed to capture to 20.
ack-ack
i did not say 20 troops, i said 2 sets of 10. Preferably with a small delay to prevent dropping 20 troops on the map room at one time (ppl do this in game already). And with it being perked i don't see why this wouldn't work out for the better
In light of recent vent i would like HiTech himself or someone from HTC to confirm that statement. The whole thing with the "It needs to see combat to be added" fiasco. I mean no offence to HiTech and the HTC staff but i would just like to hear how they would put it
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i did not say 20 troops, i said 2 sets of 10.
Can you not count?
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Can you not count?
can you read?Preferably with a small delay to prevent dropping 20 troops on the map room at one time
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but 2(10)= 20?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but 2(10)= 20?
:bhead :bhead :bhead
no you are right 2(10) does in fact equal 20, but that's not what i was saying. If, If, HiTech does not want one plane, perked or not, to drop 20 troops over one town at the same time, then you can set a delay between the two sets.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but 2(10)= 20?
OK ... You're wrong, ever heard of Scientific Notation? Your integer in parenthasis represents a POWER of 10 or 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 or 1,024 ... (2 x 10) is the algebraic notation = 20 ...
As any 5th grader cn tell you Talos is proposing 2 subsets ... now once again ... 2+2 = ? 3 + 3 = ?
Boink!
:cool:
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OK ... You're wrong, ever heard of Scientific Notation? Your integer in parenthasis represents a POWER of 10 or 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 or 1,024 ... (2 x 10) is the algebraic notation = 20 ...
As any 5th grader cn tell you Talos is proposing 2 subsets ... now once again ... 2+2 = ? 3 + 3 = ?
Boink!
:cool:
2(10) isn't scientific notation.
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I wonder if HTC would model it's bad ground handling.
hey, didnt ya see how great them candiuns fly their c46? they handling it pretty well, and in the cold too i might add :aok canada rocks!! :banana: oh on ICE PILOTS or sum show like that
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2(10) isn't scientific notation.
#*10^(+/-)#
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OK ... You're wrong, ever heard of Scientific Notation? Your integer in parenthasis represents a POWER of 10 or 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 or 1,024 ... (2 x 10) is the algebraic notation = 20 ...
:rofl :rofl
you made my day EV thank you
2(10) isn't scientific notation.
the way it is written, it does appear to be scientific notation (two to the tenth power). The way it should have been written, if he wanted to put it in that from, is 2(1x10) or 2*(1x10). That's if he wanted to make it complicated. It should have just be worded like this 2x10.
now to get this back on track
(http://aviationhumor.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Curtiss-C-46D-Commando-069.preview.jpg)
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(http://www.aviationspectator.com/files/images/Curtiss-C-46D-Commando-056.preview.jpg)
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the way it is written, it does appear to be scientific notation (two to the tenth power). The way it should have been written, if he wanted to put it in that from, is 2(1x10) or 2*(1x10). That's if he wanted to make it complicated. It should have just be worded like this 2x10.
Math is just so ELOQUENT ... if you -KNOW- what you are doing !
Nice Pics, really a beautiful aircraft ! Flying Whale ! Love the P-40 in the backround !!!
If AH ever expands the Infantry Aspect, this is a NATURAL !
:rock
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:rofl :rofl
you made my day EV thank you
the way it is written, it does appear to be scientific notation (two to the tenth power). The way it should have been written, if he wanted to put it in that from, is 2(1x10) or 2*(1x10). That's if he wanted to make it complicated. It should have just be worded like this 2x10.
now to get this back on track
(http://aviationhumor.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Curtiss-C-46D-Commando-069.preview.jpg)
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(http://www.aviationspectator.com/files/images/Curtiss-C-46D-Commando-056.preview.jpg)
awesome that brought me back to the high school days. however I would like to remind you since the 10 paratroopers in the back of the plane get to the same place at the same time at the same speed as the 10 in first class. you still carrying 20 troopers. and the number of troops needed to take a base are equal to the maximum number of troops in an airplane/gv regardless of sitting arrangement.
semp
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i did not say 20 troops, i said 2 sets of 10. Preferably with a small delay to prevent dropping 20 troops on the map room at one time (ppl do this in game already). And with it being perked i don't see why this wouldn't work out for the better
In light of recent vent i would like HiTech himself or someone from HTC to confirm that statement. The whole thing with the "It needs to see combat to be added" fiasco. I mean no offence to HiTech and the HTC staff but i would just like to hear how they would put it
You're an obvious graduate with honors of the Krusty School for Advanced Mathematics. 2 sets of 10 troops still equals 20 troops no matter how you try and spin it.
If you want to see HiTech's post about what I said, just do a search. He had stated that if a plane can carry more than 10 troops then he'd raise the number of troops needed to capture a town to match. So if a plane can carry 20 troops...oops I meant 2 sets of 10 troops, then it would take 20 troops...err I meant 2 sets of 10 troops to capture the town.
ack-ack
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More Transports would be nice. Especially if we can get something faster than the current one.
How come nobody ever uses the 251 on the ground? It has some advantages.
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More Transports would be nice. Especially if we can get something faster than the current one.
How come nobody ever uses the 251 on the ground? It has some advantages.
vision for the driver and gunner are "poor"
shdo
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You're an obvious graduate with honors of the Krusty School for Advanced Mathematics. 2 sets of 10 troops still equals 20 troops no matter how you try and spin it.
If you want to see HiTech's post about what I said, just do a search. He had stated that if a plane can carry more than 10 troops then he'd raise the number of troops needed to capture a town to match. So if a plane can carry 20 troops...oops I meant 2 sets of 10 troops, then it would take 20 troops...err I meant 2 sets of 10 troops to capture the town.
ack-ack
thank you for bringing my intelligence into question. As you are so quick to over look the key part of the point i am trying to make the Delay between the two sets of troops to prevent dropping 20 troops, at one time, on a single base with a single plane.
(ppl do this all the time with 3-4 C47s)
Or we can do this, instead of bickering back and for like a bunch of school girls, and since you seem have an intelligence level of around mine. Why not instead of trying to flame the troop number, come up with an idea that might work. And as of yet no one has even commented on the airfield sups or the Vehicle sups for this plane every one has been caught up in the troop count (mainly because the two of us). So just give everybody an idea that would might help solve the issue
BTW: i could not find the post made by HiTech, so if someone could find the link, or something along those lines that would be appreciated
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OK ... You're wrong, ever heard of Scientific Notation? Your integer in parenthasis represents a POWER of 10 or 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 or 1,024 ... (2 x 10) is the algebraic notation = 20 ...
As any 5th grader cn tell you Talos is proposing 2 subsets ... now once again ... 2+2 = ? 3 + 3 = ?
Boink!
:cool:
Uhm no :bolt:
Scientific notation would look like this 2^10. 2(10) is basically distributive property but parenthesis typically signify multiplication.
+1 to the C-46 love the bird.
-1 to the "20" troops
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Scientific notation would look like this 2^10. 2(10) is basically distributive property but parenthesis typically signify multiplication.
Sorry no ... parenthesis signify an OPERATION and are MOST commonly used to enclose an equation that must be resolved BEFORE operations ouitside the parenthesis are initiated. The UP arrow has other specific functions and would serve only to confuse.
-1 to the "20" troops
Keep in mind this is intended to be a PERKED aircraft ... PAYING for double the payload is a reasonable option, especially if you are shorthanded and don't have a pilot for a 2nd goon.
:)
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2.0 x 10^1 would be the scientific notation for 20.
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Sorry no ... parenthesis signify an OPERATION and are MOST commonly used to enclose an equation that must be resolved BEFORE operations ouitside the parenthesis are initiated. The UP arrow has other specific functions and would serve only to confuse.
After all I know nothing since Im acing Algebra 2 right now but whatever sharpens your pencil mate.
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I was enlightening my coworkers about your theory that 2 sets of ten doesn't equal 20. One of the engineers said that you are wrong. The airplane will be carrying 20 sets of 1 as there's a delay between each trooper. The things you learn every day.
Semp
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I already referenced the correct way to utilize scientific notation:
#*10^(+/-)#
Why are we still arguing this?
And I want a JU-52 before any hunk of crap C46!
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I was enlightening my coworkers about your theory that 2 sets of ten doesn't equal 20. One of the engineers said that you are wrong. The airplane will be carrying 20 sets of 1 as there's a delay between each trooper. The things you learn every day.
Semp
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do i really have to walk you through this????
yes, you would be taking 20 troops on this plane, that being said, you would only be able to drop 10 at a time with a delay (now stay with me on this one) between two sets.
now that we have moved past this
And I want a JU-52 before any hunk of crap C46!
as i said before i'm all for the JU-52, but where the JU-52 would be an alternative to the C47. The C46 would be a step up from the C47. The C46 could fly higher and further then the C47, and could also carry twice as much. That's why i would like it in the game. That's also why, if it gets added, I would like to see it be the games first perked transport
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:bhead :bhead
do i really have to walk you through this????
yes, you would be taking 20 troops on this plane, that being said, you would only be able to drop 10 at a time with a delay (now stay with me on this one) between two sets.
now that we have moved past this
as i said before i'm all for the JU-52, but where the JU-52 would be an alternative to the C47. The C46 would be a step up from the C47. The C46 could fly higher and further then the C47, and could also carry twice as much. That's why i would like it in the game. That's also why, if it gets added, I would like to see it be the games first perked transport
ok stay with me here using your own methodology. i can set up a delay between each troop, therefore I can have 20 sets of 1. so do we understand each other now?
semp
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:bhead :bhead
do i really have to walk you through this????
yes, you would be taking 20 troops on this plane, that being said, you would only be able to drop 10 at a time with a delay (now stay with me on this one) between two sets.
now that we have moved past this
as i said before i'm all for the JU-52, but where the JU-52 would be an alternative to the C47. The C46 would be a step up from the C47. The C46 could fly higher and further then the C47, and could also carry twice as much. That's why i would like it in the game. That's also why, if it gets added, I would like to see it be the games first perked transport
Considering the idea was to get more troops out faster, would it not defeat the purpose of the C-46 to have a delay between sets of troops jumping? As far as troops jumping from a 46 I think it was only the Rhine Crossing too so very late in the game.
If HTC is going to invest time in a transport, from a purely historical standpoint, the Ju-52 would be the most logical next choice. And since it's an Axis bird, from a game play stand point, you lower any Luftwhining by a certain amount then too, which is always a good thing :aok
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from a purely historical standpoint, the Ju-52 would be the most logical next choice.
:aok
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After all I know nothing since Im acing Algebra 2 right now but whatever sharpens your pencil mate.
Algerbra -2- Impressive ... !
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ok stay with me here using your own methodology. i can set up a delay between each troop, therefore I can have 20 sets of 1. so do we understand each other now?
semp
oh, so you think i mean a .delay command. what i mean is a set delay for the plane itself, or a script line that limits you to dropping ten troops every 30 secs
Considering the idea was to get more troops out faster, would it not defeat the purpose of the C-46 to have a delay between sets of troops jumping? As far as troops jumping from a 46 I think it was only the Rhine Crossing too so very late in the game.
If HTC is going to invest time in a transport, from a purely historical standpoint, the Ju-52 would be the most logical next choice. And since it's an Axis bird, from a game play stand point, you lower any Luftwhining by a certain amount then too, which is always a good thing :aok
you can still have 5 troops jumping out of each door :lol. but really the only reason i even suggested the delay between the two sets is because i knew i was going to catch a lot of flak for suggesting that we have a bird that could carry 20 (yes i said it) troops. I thought it might appease some of the players who always scream about the whole troop count thing..... I was wrong
But I think i stated before (if i didn't i'm sorry) the Paratrooper option should only be available in late war and you could still use the plane for resupply sorties in early and mid war arenas
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oh, so you think i mean a .delay command. what i mean is a set delay for the plane itself, or a script line that limits you to dropping ten troops every 30 secs
it doesnt matter how you set up a delay. a delay is a delay isnt it? so I let the troops go with a delay then I have 20 sets of 1 troop. cant you see the logic of it?
semp
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oh, so you think i mean a .delay command. what i mean is a set delay for the plane itself, or a script line that limits you to dropping ten troops every 30 secs
it doesnt matter how you set up a delay. a delay is a delay isnt it? so I let the troops go with a delay then I have 20 sets of 1 troop. cant you see the logic of it?
semp
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it doesnt matter how you set up a delay. a delay is a delay isnt it? so I let the troops go with a delay then I have 20 sets of 1 troop. cant you see the logic of it?
semp
I see where your coming from but your missing the point. And again this trails back to the whole, HiTech said this, Hitech said that. If HiTech did say that he would increase the number of troops needed to take a base if a plane or vehicle was introduced that could take more then 10 troops. All this does is allow the plane to be added without changing that setting and rendering the M3 and C47 useless.
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it is you who is missing the point - that the game is set up for troop carriers to carry only 10 troops. if the C-46 is added, it will carry 10 troops.
if the C-46 were to carry 20 troops, then the C-47, M3 and 251 would all have to carry 20 troops as well, and the capture requirement would have to be 20 troops.
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Then let me ask this, why?
If this gets added it would probably be a perked transport. So why couldn't it have double the troops of the other transports. And as i said before if what you are saying is true that we can not have a transport, even in late war, that can carry 20 troops (i said it again) without upping the base take limit. I would like Hitech or Skuzzy to reply to this thread and explain why. I know it can be a real inconvenience for someone to call you out in this manor, and for that i am sorry
Reason:
i have seen a lot of replies in this section of the forums that claim that HiTech said this or HiTech said that. i would just like to hear it from the ppl who actually said what.
and if it is true that HiTech would rather not allow a plane to carry 20 troops then, and I can't speak for everybody, I would be ok with dropping the troops "loadout" from the plane as it was only toward the end of the war that that model was used.
A little fun fact the C46D carried 36 Paratroopers, the C47 carried 26 (i think), the M3 carried 12, and i can't imagine 251 carried much more then the M3.
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it doesnt matter how you set up a delay. a delay is a delay isnt it? so I let the troops go with a delay then I have 20 sets of 1 troop. cant you see the logic of it?
Now you're repeating yourself ! (under stress?) ...
I WISH you were correct ... If you were, then each troop would be free to follow their own vector to the map room, and not just do the indian file thing regardless of where they are dropped... But, WHAT WE HAVE is a set of 10, they are linked ...
I don't understand either, why HT would LIMIT the scope of the game by making the statement being attributed to him ... I can only wonder if he's being misquoted or taken out of context as seems to occur frequently around here ...
:uhoh
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-1 since it gives us no new useful capability -
I'd rather see the Me-323 setting down behind enemy lines loaded up with a Sdkfz full of troops or a light tank.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T4L4TpQqsA
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Now you're repeating yourself ! (under stress?) ...
I WISH you were correct ... If you were, then each troop would be free to follow their own vector to the map room, and not just do the indian file thing regardless of where they are dropped... But, WHAT WE HAVE is a set of 10, they are linked ...
I don't understand either, why HT would LIMIT the scope of the game by making the statement being attributed to him ... I can only wonder if he's being misquoted or taken out of context as seems to occur frequently around here ...
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drop 1 troop on one side of the town and another on the other side of town. they will follow their own line to the maproom.
semp
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I think most people would find double the capacity -usefull-.
I'd rather see the Me-323 setting down behind enemy lines loaded up with a Sdkfz full of troops or a light tank.
This is an interesting idea too ... Could be VERY -usefull- against bases that don't have spawn in points.
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(http://www.stinsonflyer.com/prop/c46-03.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/C-46_Commando.jpg/782px-C-46_Commando.jpg)
Specifications (C-46A):
Engines: Two 2,000-hp Pratt & Whitney R-2800-51 radial piston engines
Weight: Empty 30,000 lbs., Max Takeoff 45,000 lbs.
Wing Span: 108ft. 0in.
Length: 76ft. 4in.
Height: 21ft. 9in.
Performance:
Maximum Speed: 270 mph
Cruising Speed: 173 mph
Ceiling: 24,500 ft.
Range: 3,150 miles
Armament:
None
Built:
3,000+
The C46A was originally a Civilian model Airliner and was taken by the military and modified it was given more powerful engines and a large cargo door on the port side of the fuselage, a strengthened cargo floor, a hydraulic winch and folding seats for up to 40 troops
These planes were detrimental to the early part of the war in the Pacific. The planes and their 3-4 man crews (wasn't quite clear on that, some sources said 3 some said 4) flew resupply mission to China over "The Hump" (eastern end of the Himalayan Mountains). Japanese fighters were quite active in the area, and it was one of these flights that the C46 was credited with a kill on a Japanese Oscar.
"Captain Wally A. Gayda shot down at close range a Japanese fighter, apparently a Nakajima Ki-43, by firing a Browning automatic rifle through his C-46 front cabin window and killing the pilot." - http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/2/Curtiss%20Commando.htm (http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/2/Curtiss%20Commando.htm)
It was continually used in in the Pacific to fairy Troops and Supplies form Island to Island. The C46A could carry more the twice the troops, or it could carry twice the cargo load as the C47
C46D Commando
paratrooper variant, fitted with an extra door on the port side, or a door on both sides (again conflicting sources) this allowed the 36 paratroopers to exit the plane more rapidly
The specifications for the plane are roughly the same as the C46A
Built:
1,400+
So i was thinking that if this were to get added it would be able to carry either two airfield supplies, 20 vehicle supplies, or 2 sets of 10 troops. I think that the troops would only be available in late war as the model that carried the paratroopers wasn't developed until around 1945 for operation varsity. The 2 sets of 10 troops should have a 15 to 30 second delay between the two sets so you can't just drop both sets at the same time. Though it should probably be perked
Sources
http://www.warbirdalley.com/c46.htm (http://www.warbirdalley.com/c46.htm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Wright_C-46_Commando (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Wright_C-46_Commando)
http://www.armyhistory.org/ahf2.aspx?pgID=877&id=139&exCompID=56 (http://www.armyhistory.org/ahf2.aspx?pgID=877&id=139&exCompID=56)
http://www.vectorsite.net/avc46.html (http://www.vectorsite.net/avc46.html)
http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/2/Curtiss%20Commando.htm (http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/photo_albums/timeline/ww2/2/Curtiss%20Commando.htm)
I have my marshmellos and hot dogs ready for your replies
Bare minimum crew is three I think (Pilo, CoPilot and FD engineer that sat behind the two pilots) with the 4th-5th being in the compfy range and working in the back (navigator/radio/APU operator and the 5th being someone to handle the cargo). There were a ton of levers and buttons and fuses up front, it was a 3-person cockpit. The navigator sat imediatley behind the cockpit area, where he had access to a table, an observation dome (for celestial (sp?) navigation), radio sets and/or an APU generator.
I'd love to see the C-46 Commando added eventualy.
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I'd rather see the Me-323 setting down behind enemy lines loaded up with a Sdkfz full of troops or a light tank.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T4L4TpQqsA
the Me 323 isn't a bad idea in fact it might be a lot of fun. The only thing is when you get into stuff like that you bring up all the "LST" style arguments, but i wouldn't mind seeing an ME 323 in game at some point.
Bare minimum crew is three I think (Pilo, CoPilot and FD engineer that sat behind the two pilots) with the 4th-5th being in the compfy range and working in the back (navigator/radio/APU operator and the 5th being someone to handle the cargo). There were a ton of levers and buttons and fuses up front, it was a 3-person cockpit. The navigator sat imediatley behind the cockpit area, where he had access to a table, an observation dome (for celestial (sp?) navigation), radio sets and/or an APU generator.
I'd love to see the C-46 Commando added eventualy.
Thank you
Like I siad the sources weren't quite clear on that, at least the ones I was using :lol.
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drop 1 troop on one side of the town and another on the other side of town. they will follow their own line to the maproom.
I think what happens is: troop 1 runs a straight line to the maproom ...Troop 2 needs to get behind troop 1 ... So he runs to troop 1, if the maproom is in between it may appear that he is running a seperate vector, but he's just TRYING to get to the VECTOR he belongs on. By the time troop 2 gets to the map room, troop 1 is already inside. So, he follows him in... I suspect, it MAY be that the nearest troop to the map room is designated as troop 1.
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the Me 323 isn't a bad idea in fact it might be a lot of fun. The only thing is when you get into stuff like that you bring up all the "LST" style arguments, but i wouldn't mind seeing an ME 323 in game at some point.
Thank you
Like I siad the sources weren't quite clear on that, at least the ones I was using :lol.
Well, it's all relative really, lol. The C-46 served in a lot of different places and in different services (and still does fly commercialy in some countries today I think, or only recently stopped). With a 3-person only crew, you'd have a lot of stuff going on in a cramped cockpit, and everybody except the pilot would have two jobs, and even then the pilot might have to take on some extra chores. But then, you can free up the entire back for cargo, don't have to worry about supplying oxygen sources for high-alt stuff to anyone outside the imediate cockpit area, etc.. That's probabley why it cites 3-4, the back seaters were a luxury, likely only afforded to long-distance single-ship flights or lead/pathfinding AC in multiple-ship formations, or if the mission called for a (un-)loadmaster onboard. Also back then, you have to realise a single radio set was larger than a man, and the mass of the tube-fuse boards and other old gear is massive. A modern retrofit would allow room for 4-5 people in the cockpit (still kinda cramped), while freeing/simplifying the controls down to an easy job for two crew members, three tops.
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Well, it's all relative really, lol. The C-46 served in a lot of different places and in different services (and still does fly commercialy in some countries today I think, or only recently stopped). With a 3-person only crew, you'd have a lot of stuff going on in a cramped cockpit, and everybody except the pilot would have two jobs, and even then the pilot might have to take on some extra chores. But then, you can free up the entire back for cargo, don't have to worry about supplying oxygen sources for high-alt stuff to anyone outside the imediate cockpit area, etc.. That's probabley why it cites 3-4, the back seaters were a luxury, likely only afforded to long-distance single-ship flights or lead/pathfinding AC in multiple-ship formations, or if the mission called for a (un-)loadmaster onboard. Also back then, you have to realise a single radio set was larger than a man, and the mass of the tube-fuse boards and other old gear is massive. A modern retrofit would allow room for 4-5 people in the cockpit (still kinda cramped), while freeing/simplifying the controls down to an easy job for two crew members, three tops.
you certainly know a lot about this plane :aok
But I there is one thing I would like to know, that I could seem to find in any of the sources that i looked at. Did the C46 ever airdrop supplies during the war? Or did it never have the ability because of the way the doors opened?
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I'll have to look it up for dates, I don't know, or how widespread by then. I think there was a later post-original-production modification needed to the back cargo door/hatch for airdrops and maybe the zipline, but I don't know any of the specifics off-hand.
Thanks! I love the older planes and aviation and love volunteering at a local museum, which conveniently has a Commando parked on its ramp (hasn't flown in a couple years, some AD out on the props - something like 10-20grand a blade to fix, three blades a prop, two props..... anywhoot). I'm gonna try to remember and ask if they're going to fire her up and run the engines anytime soon the next time I go, it's 'bout the only thing exciting that gets to happen with her these days.
That reminds me, big antique birds and all, a couple weeks ago they flew out the Lockheed Constellation here at Camarillo Airport to Chino (one of the museums out there purchased it) and I got some amateure footage of it that I never took off my camera yet, (probabley the last time one will ever fly, lord knows).
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if you do find out the info about the C46 pls let me know, and i will continue looking on my end.
The Constellation is a very odd looking plane on the ground.... well its an odd looking plane in the sky too :lol, but I would love to see one in person even if it is a grounded plane. I kinda have a thing for the odder looking planes that came out of the WWII era.
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if you do find out the info about the C46 pls let me know, and i will continue looking on my end.
The Constellation is a very odd looking plane on the ground.... well its an odd looking plane in the sky too :lol, but I would love to see one in person even if it is a grounded plane. I kinda have a thing for the odder looking planes that came out of the WWII era.
Your in luck! Lufthansa is restoring one to passenger service. I'm sure the ticket prices will be ungodly but you can live your dream!
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That reminds me, big antique birds and all, a couple weeks ago they flew out the Lockheed Constellation here at Camarillo Airport to Chino (one of the museums out there purchased it) and I got some amateure footage of it that I never took off my camera yet, (probabley the last time one will ever fly, lord knows).
Actually, we have a "Connie" based here at the Marana airfield. It was Dwight Eisenhower's AF-2 plane (backup for AF-1) ... It's been flying WORLDWIDE to airshows for many years now ... one of my neighbors kids went to Egypt with it a few years back as a tank-wipe / Mechanics Helper.
They have a few more at their Hanger (parts planes). BEAUTIFULL aircraft !
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cool thanks guys :aok
I was looking into the "airdropping" thing and this source (http://www.cbi-history.com/part_vi_4th_ccg.html (http://www.cbi-history.com/part_vi_4th_ccg.html)), says that on at least one mission some of the dirt runways were turned to mud due to heavy rains. As a result a few of the 4th Group (C46s) were forced to airdrop their cargo over the fields, but to my understanding the cargo was predominately food and water, possibly ammo as well. It doesn't say any thing about any large scale cargo airdrops that took place during WWII.
All the other things that kept popping up during the search were about the "Air America" Operation
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cool thanks guys :aok
I was looking into the "airdropping" thing and this source (http://www.cbi-history.com/part_vi_4th_ccg.html (http://www.cbi-history.com/part_vi_4th_ccg.html)), says that on at least one mission some of the dirt runways were turned to mud due to heavy rains. As a result a few of the 4th Group (C46s) were forced to airdrop their cargo over the fields, but to my understanding the cargo was predominately food and water, possibly ammo as well. It doesn't say any thing about any large scale cargo airdrops that took place during WWII.
All the other things that kept popping up during the search were about the "Air America" Operation
Yes! Add heroin to the cargo loadout! +1
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Yes! Add heroin to the cargo loadout! +1
I'd heard the term AH Junkies before, but you just added a new dimension to the phrase.
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These planes were detrimental to the early part of the war in the Pacific.
It was continually used in in the Pacific to fairy Troops
Surprised no one caught these and made fun of them. :rofl
meh, nice looking plane that serves no useful game purpose, unless you ask HTC to implement air drones for re-supply, ala AW3 (C-47 tho') which has probably been requested at some point previously. :old:
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Surprised no one caught these and made fun of them. :rofl
meh, nice looking plane that serves no useful game purpose, unless you ask HTC to implement air drones for re-supply, ala AW3 (C-47 tho') which has probably been requested at some point previously. :old:
As it has often been said about this game, "if you add a plane, It will find a purpose", but i don't think that the case with this plane. this plane is just a larger form of the C47. It can carry twice as much (at least) as the C47. Even if it gets added with out the paratroopers, it can still deliver 2 airfield supplies instead of one and we might be able to get away with air dropping vehicle supplies during a large battle. Though that last bit is more wishful thinking on my part as i don't think that tank battles in game get large enough to benefit from 20 vehicle supplies, and the plane itself may not have done supply airdrops on a regular basis during the war (still looking to find more info on the airdrops)