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Title: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 08:38:41 AM
The new version has introduced the Storch.  I was just in MW working in the bish trying to take a Port.  Hanger was down, tiger and wirb were up.  We killed both the tiger and Wirb.  I made another pass on the field to check guns and saw a chute on the ground.  I couldnt figure out where it came from.  After getting really pist and yelling at my computer i did some checking and even with all hangers down at a vbase or port a storch can still be upped.  You can then bail from the storch while it is still on the ground and run to the maproom to shoot troops.  Not sure if anyone in LW has tried this yet but MW is rampant with players gaming the game.  Simjoke has taken it to a whole new level.  HTC needs to do something about this ASAP.  Whats to stop and entire country from upping 40 storches at ports and vbases over and over again to shoot troops.  Good luck killing all the little gamers on the ground. 
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Oldman731 on January 27, 2012, 08:44:46 AM
Whats to stop and entire country from upping 40 storches at ports and vbases over and over again to shoot troops. 


You say this like it's a bad thing...?

- oldman
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: flatiron1 on January 27, 2012, 08:46:49 AM
hello grumpy, you posted that film yet?
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 08:47:19 AM
upping 40 storches and bailing to run to the map room doesnt sound like a PS3 video game to you?  I mean if this is what the game is turning into and where HTC wants it to go then so be it, its their game and money but will be interesting to see how many stick around.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 08:49:34 AM
hello grumpy, you posted that film yet?

do you have anything constructive to say about my post?   I doubt it
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: flatiron1 on January 27, 2012, 08:53:24 AM
I will have to agree with you on this one Grumpy.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: SmokinLoon on January 27, 2012, 08:54:41 AM
I replied to the other thread posted on this topic...
 

... but in short, this is why the Storch should be tied to the vehicle hanger.  No VH, no storch.  Every base as a VH, not every base has a FH.

Problem solved.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: sunfan1121 on January 27, 2012, 09:00:33 AM
This is why we can't have nice things! :old:
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Debrody on January 27, 2012, 09:03:49 AM
Idk why are you this upset, Grumpy.
Positive thinking, sir... you can get 40 kills in a goon in no time  :aok

btw SmokinLoon got it. Sounds like a bug needs to be fixed.
Still, please post that film  ;)
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: coola4me on January 27, 2012, 09:11:27 AM
I was able to up a storch while hanger was down at a port in LW and thought it to be odd i was able to do it. I didn't try to bail on the ground but i could see that happening as you describe. Without sounding like a back seat moderator the OP should be in the bug forum.

<S> Grumpy
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 09:12:15 AM
Idk why are you this upset, Grumpy.
Positive thinking, sir... you can get 40 kills in a goon in no time  :aok

btw SmokinLoon got it. Sounds like a bug needs to be fixed.
Still, please post that film  ;)

Ive already sent all the films to HTC for their review, no need to post it here.  He is talking about a claim i made the he hoed me yet again.  That is not my issue, he can be a little hoe tard all he wants, this is a bigger issue that needs to be addressed.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 09:14:48 AM
I was able to up a storch while hanger was down at a port in LW and thought it to be odd i was able to do it. I didn't try to bail on the ground but i could see that happening as you describe. Without sounding like a back seat moderator the OP should be in the bug forum.

<S> Grumpy

Wasnt sure if it was  bug or not and to be honest i wanted to put front and center for as many to see just how gamey this has become.  Not that it will make a difference because it never seems to but at least i will know i tried.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: flatiron1 on January 27, 2012, 09:15:08 AM
nm
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 09:21:48 AM
nm

If HTC laughs at me pointing out how players are exploiting their game and dont chose to do anything about it then this game has taken a bigger dump then ever imagined. As far as your desperate hoe to save your base, good for you!  Kudos! Congrats!  I was already pist at the gamy moves by your other countrymen and mouthed off when ive been trying to stop it myself.  I could go on and on about how i feel about that style of play but it makes no difference nor is it the point i was trying to make with this thread. I will not be baited by you. 
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: SunBat on January 27, 2012, 09:22:27 AM
This is why we can't have nice things! :old:
:lol
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 09:24:15 AM
nm

good idea
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Butcher on January 27, 2012, 09:25:04 AM
If HTC laughs at me pointing out how players are exploiting their game and dont chose to do anything about it then this game has taken a bigger dump then ever imagined. As far as your desperate hoe to save your base, good for you!  Kudos! Congrats!  I was already pist at the gamy moves by your other countrymen and mouthed off when ive been trying to stop it myself.  I could go on and on about how i feel about that style of play but it makes no difference nor is it the point i was trying to make with this thread. I will not be baited by you. 

You do realize they just released this patch..and not long ago. Its going to take a few days to put out a bug fix patch - so don't expect them to drop what they are doing just to please you....

Just wait for the next bug patch, it will get fixed, same with the other bugs on the list that are critical.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: wil3ur on January 27, 2012, 09:29:59 AM

I was just in MW


Enough said   :bolt:
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: perdue3 on January 27, 2012, 09:31:41 AM
Who cares if they can be in chutes? Basetakers dont want a mild challenge?
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 09:31:52 AM
You do realize they just released this patch..and not long ago. Its going to take a few days to put out a bug fix patch - so don't expect them to drop what they are doing just to please you....

Just wait for the next bug patch, it will get fixed, same with the other bugs on the list that are critical.

was this bug listed before i listed it?  I searched and didnt find it so i posted it in the bug forum as well.  Like i said, i put it on this forum to point out the level players are willing to drop to in order to game the game.  Thats it, nothing else.  If im the only person that plays this game that gets irritated by the gamers and their lame tactics then i need to rethink things completely.  I can go back to PS3 games and the Wii if i want gamy and not shell out money every month.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: flatiron1 on January 27, 2012, 09:32:37 AM
Actually I thought it was a good 2v1 engagement. I wish i had saved it. Salute.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Dragon on January 27, 2012, 09:35:55 AM

"Troops are out, did anyone strafe the map room"



Easy!
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: LCADolby on January 27, 2012, 09:36:28 AM
Oh Shoot. Shooting Chutes to boot. Whatever next.  :confused:
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: wil3ur on January 27, 2012, 10:04:41 AM
In a related response, one time there was an enemy chute on base at a vulched/capped field.  So I upped a bomber in the hangar and bailed out, and me and the chute had a great shootout.  It was fun, the game definately isn't designed around FPS ground combat.  Was I gaming the game?
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Peyton on January 27, 2012, 10:17:21 AM
"Troops are out, did anyone strafe the map room"



Easy!





+1  no kidding......chutes and people in maproom are no issue.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Peyton on January 27, 2012, 10:22:25 AM
I replied to the other thread posted on this topic...
 

... but in short, this is why the Storch should be tied to the vehicle hanger.  No VH, no storch.  Every base as a VH, not every base has a FH.

Problem solved.





-1....now let's wait until someone hates the 88s.   Change scares everyone.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: wil3ur on January 27, 2012, 10:28:58 AM
Speaking of which... the 88s rock!  I killed a guy last night!
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Knite on January 27, 2012, 10:31:15 AM
I'm not following the post...

Are you saying that when you shot the map room, or straffed the chuted pilot with your pintle gun he didn't die?
I mean, you obviously tried that right???


Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Scca on January 27, 2012, 10:33:03 AM
Gamey yes, unintended, I guessing yes too...

Bet it's fixed in the next patch...
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: flatiron1 on January 27, 2012, 10:34:20 AM
I think what he is saying the ability to up multiple strorches and bail to chute with out the ability to disable storch launch is gamey. But I guess we got a form of infantry now.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: PFactorDave on January 27, 2012, 10:36:03 AM
I have this vision...

The Horde does its thing at a port.  The defenders up 40 Storchs and all bail.  The Horde all bails.

Suddenly we have a 40 on 40 FPS gun battle on the ground while a solitary C47 orbits overhead.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Wiley on January 27, 2012, 11:05:02 AM
 :headscratch: Gentlemen...  I think we need to consider this may be an attempt to create gameplay around some of the lesser used features of the game.  For example... could it be a possible use for the 100lb loadout on the Lanc?  :devil

Nah, gamey as heck.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: SmokinLoon on January 27, 2012, 11:14:22 AM




-1....now let's wait until someone hates the 88s.   Change scares everyone.

it has nothing to do with "change", it has to do with the unlimited ability to up a Storch, bail, and be near the MR in a pilot w/ 21 rounds of ammo.  It cam be done an unlimited amount of times. 

I for one dont really care how the Storch is tied to AH, or what it is classified as, but if HTC didnt intend for the Storch to be used as a last line of defense like it is at ports and v-bases, then classifying the Storch is the most logical way of eliminating the problem.  So take your "scared of change" and shove it right up your backpack.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Oldman731 on January 27, 2012, 11:19:04 AM
upping 40 storches and bailing to run to the map room doesnt sound like a PS3 video game to you?


Why, how nice of you to ask!  To me, capturing an enemy airfield deep in the heart of the enemy country by dropping the Dirty Dozen on it sounds very much like a PS3 video game.  So having 40 light aircraft emerge to oppose them doesn't strain my credulity any further.

Base capture in this game is an abstraction.  You can sit back and think, "Hey, this is sort of a representation of how the Germans captured Crete, or Holland maybe," but you can't (or...you shouldn't..) think that twelve guys can capture an enemy airfield and town.  The janitors alone would prevent that.  So if 40 Storchs rise out of the ground, climb into the air, drop their pilots and thereby create an OpFor, I don't have any problem thinking "Hey, this is sort of a representation of how base security might actually shoot at the parachutists."

I sense that you're just upset that base capture has become different and perhaps more difficult.

-oldman
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 11:30:03 AM

Why, how nice of you to ask!  To me, capturing an enemy airfield deep in the heart of the enemy country by dropping the Dirty Dozen on it sounds very much like a PS3 video game.  So having 40 light aircraft emerge to oppose them doesn't strain my credulity any further.

Base capture in this game is an abstraction.  You can sit back and think, "Hey, this is sort of a representation of how the Germans captured Crete, or Holland maybe," but you can't (or...you shouldn't..) think that twelve guys can capture an enemy airfield and town.  The janitors alone would prevent that.  So if 40 Storchs rise out of the ground, climb into the air, drop their pilots and thereby create an OpFor, I don't have any problem thinking "Hey, this is sort of a representation of how base security might actually shoot at the parachutists."

I sense that you're just upset that base capture has become different and perhaps more difficult.

-oldman

 :bhead  NM
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: coombz on January 27, 2012, 11:46:42 AM
upping 40 storches and bailing to run to the map room doesnt sound like a PS3 video game to you?  

lol...not really :D certainly not a game I'd pay for
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Wiley on January 27, 2012, 11:52:13 AM

I sense that you're just upset that base capture has become different and perhaps more difficult.

-oldman

So... your stance is that HTC purposely created a class of plane not tied to any hangar that can be upped infinitely and intentionally bailed from to provide a defense against base capture attempts, and that this is good for the game?

Seriously?

Wiley.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: The Fugitive on January 27, 2012, 11:54:06 AM
do you have anything constructive to say about my post?   I doubt it

I do, GROW UP!
You posted it in the bugs forum, once is enough. Stop your crying and go steal another base.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 11:56:43 AM
I do, GROW UP!
You posted it in the bugs forum, once is enough. Stop your crying and go steal another base.

Thank your for your words of wisdom, really, it will help me out in my daily life......
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Seadog36 on January 27, 2012, 12:11:42 PM
After getting really pist and yelling at my computer...  

Really...really? If it's not too hard too capture a base then it is too easy...for the Nit hoard...Its just all so unfair! :cry

Grumpy puts the fun in dysfunction :mad: This is no more gamey than his favorite trick of resupplying guns at a town instead of fighting.

Wtg Simjoe for being the first one to figure out a new way to defend a base in the "GAME" with a Storch pilot. He has always been an extremely underestimated and wylie defender. Headline "Recon Pilot Save Port from Angry Frustrated Enemy! Kills a whole squad of paratroopers singlehandedly with a .45 cal pistol."

Looking forward to the new challenge of .88s and storches, war is hell!  :salute HTC for keeping things dynamic and exciting!
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Oldman731 on January 27, 2012, 12:17:35 PM
So... your stance is that HTC purposely created a class of plane not tied to any hangar that can be upped infinitely and intentionally bailed from to provide a defense against base capture attempts, and that this is good for the game?

Seriously?


Seriously, how bad is it for the game?  Any other plane can do the same thing; your objection apparently is that the hanger for Storchs can't be destroyed, so there will always be an opposing ground force.

Do I think it's the best way to do it?  Or that it was intentional?  Nah.  But I really don't sense the impending crisis, either.  As someone has already posted, you can still strafe people on the ground, which is actually more realistic than the current situation.  And now you've increased the possibility that there will actually be ground opposition.

- oldman
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 12:18:43 PM
Really...really? If it's not too hard too capture a base then it is too easy...for the Nit hoard...Its just all so unfair! :cry

Grumpy puts the fun in dysfunction :mad: This is no more gamey than his favorite trick of resupplying guns at a town instead of fighting.

Wtg Simjoe for being the first one to figure out a new way to defend a base in the "GAME" with a Storch pilot. He has always been an extremely underestimated and wylie defender. Headline "Recon Pilot Save Port from Angry Frustrated Enemy! Kills a whole squad of paratroopers singlehandedly with a .45 cal pistol."

Looking forward to new challenge of .88s and storches, war is hell!  :salute HTC for keeping things dynamic and exciting!



Puppydog makes me laugh every day....  One of the reasons i still pay for this game.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Shuffler on January 27, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
In a related response, one time there was an enemy chute on base at a vulched/capped field.  So I upped a bomber in the hangar and bailed out, and me and the chute had a great shootout.  It was fun, the game definately isn't designed around FPS ground combat.  Was I gaming the game?

lol Hmmm wonder if chutes can rearm on the pad........  :D
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 12:30:42 PM
why dont we make it so it takes 10 actual players in the M3 to be let out so they can run for their lives with their trusty hand gun and shoot the bailing storch pilots that are trying to save their base.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 27, 2012, 12:36:58 PM
upping 40 storches and bailing to run to the map room doesnt sound like a PS3 video game to you?  I mean if this is what the game is turning into and where HTC wants it to go then so be it, its their game and money but will be interesting to see how many stick around.

Holy hyperbole Batman!

ack-ack
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: AKP on January 27, 2012, 01:47:17 PM
Grumpy...

First off... take a deep breath and relax man.   :D

Second... I am sure HTC will address the matter.  Either they will say that this is how it is intended to work, or they will create a new hangar that the storch will spawn from, or they will assign the storch to the VH (which is where is was in the Beta) .  I think the 3rd is what they will do for now... but ultimately the storch needs a home of its own that can be destroyed like the others.

The problem with putting in the VH is that if it is... it will be tied to vehicle SCORE.  Yes... some people are going to have an issue with that.  So eventually, you may see a new little shack pop up at ALL the bases to house the storch, and any other new observer planes they are coming out with... as they have already indicated that "the Storch represents a new class of aircraft in the game - the observer plane".  This suggests there are more on the way.

Don't get angry because someone figured out that its possible to up a storch right now with the hangars down at the port and vbase.  Right now its a loophole.  If the game allows it to happen, then until its changed, its a valid tactic.  Just like driving your jeep inside a tank and killing it with the MG used to be... and they fixed that.  

Bailing and running to the maproom with your pilot isnt the only way to use the storch like this... you can use the tail gun to shoot the troops from the air too.  The issue isnt HOW they are using it, the issue is that if all hangars are down you shouldnt be able to fly it at all.

It isnt SimJo's or Seadog's or anyone elses fault that this is possible.  And I am sure they were just as surprised that it is possible as you were.  But... until it is changed, it's something you are going to have to plan for.

Again... relax and let HTC figure out how they want to fix it.  There are better things for you to be "grumpy" about  :D
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Raphael on January 27, 2012, 02:09:58 PM
wow! this is brilliant!  :aok what a great idea, thanks for posting this man!  :rock
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 27, 2012, 02:29:26 PM
Grumpy...

First off... take a deep breath and relax man.   :D

Second... I am sure HTC will address the matter.  Either they will say that this is how it is intended to work, or they will create a new hangar that the storch will spawn from, or they will assign the storch to the VH (which is where is was in the Beta) .  I think the 3rd is what they will do for now... but ultimately the storch needs a home of its own that can be destroyed like the others.

The problem with putting in the VH is that if it is... it will be tied to vehicle SCORE.  Yes... some people are going to have an issue with that.  So eventually, you may see a new little shack pop up at ALL the bases to house the storch, and any other new observer planes they are coming out with... as they have already indicated that "the Storch represents a new class of aircraft in the game - the observer plane".  This suggests there are more on the way.

Don't get angry because someone figured out that its possible to up a storch right now with the hangars down at the port and vbase.  Right now its a loophole.  If the game allows it to happen, then until its changed, its a valid tactic.  Just like driving your jeep inside a tank and killing it with the MG used to be... and they fixed that.  

Bailing and running to the maproom with your pilot isnt the only way to use the storch like this... you can use the tail gun to shoot the troops from the air too.  The issue isnt HOW they are using it, the issue is that if all hangars are down you shouldnt be able to fly it at all.

It isnt SimJo's or Seadog's or anyone elses fault that this is possible.  And I am sure they were just as surprised that it is possible as you were.  But... until it is changed, it's something you are going to have to plan for.

Again... relax and let HTC figure out how they want to fix it.  There are better things for you to be "grumpy" about  :D


 :salute  Always a voice of reason   :aok

I was actually very calm about it until the standard flamers brought out their flames.....  I usually let it roll off but had nothing better to do today so I flamed back.  I guess i should just stop being surprised that the players you mentioned by name,and many others, will find any way to exploit anything HTC leaves out there to be exploited and be proud they have done it.  I guess I give the general population to much credit.....

Was nice to see you in MW again the other night...   :salute
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: AKP on January 27, 2012, 02:34:11 PM

Was nice to see you in MW again the other night...   :salute

Was fun for awhile... was having crash issues though.  I think I have them sorted out now.   :salute
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: JOACH1M on January 27, 2012, 02:42:24 PM
This is why we can't have nice things! :old:
:aok :lol
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Changeup on January 27, 2012, 02:56:31 PM
it has nothing to do with "change", it has to do with the unlimited ability to up a Storch, bail, and be near the MR in a pilot w/ 21 rounds of ammo.  It cam be done an unlimited amount of times.  

I for one dont really care how the Storch is tied to AH, or what it is classified as, but if HTC didnt intend for the Storch to be used as a last line of defense like it is at ports and v-bases, then classifying the Storch is the most logical way of eliminating the problem.  So take your "scared of change" and shove it right up your backpack.

Smokin Loon....

Changeup is the proud grandson of Capt. James W "Boots" Shurig, 5th AF, 38th BG/71BS "The Wolfpack" B-25C, B-25H.  My bet is our grandpa's slept within walking distance of each other on multiple island hops.  Gramps missions are listed in the BBS here.  52 missions...

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,291595.0.html
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: DaCoon on January 27, 2012, 02:59:52 PM
"Troops are out, did anyone strafe the map room"



Easy!

^^^^^^^^  this is my favorite part of base capture.   Really ticks someone off to be standing there in the doorway of the map room waiting to kill the goons, and bam in the tower.  Makes me all giddy to ruin someones "base save" like that.    :devil
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: JUGgler on January 27, 2012, 03:12:15 PM
The new version has introduced the Storch.  I was just in MW working in the bish trying to take a Port.  Hanger was down, tiger and wirb were up.  We killed both the tiger and Wirb.  I made another pass on the field to check guns and saw a chute on the ground.  I couldnt figure out where it came from.  After getting really pist and yelling at my computer i did some checking and even with all hangers down at a vbase or port a storch can still be upped.  You can then bail from the storch while it is still on the ground and run to the maproom to shoot troops.  Not sure if anyone in LW has tried this yet but MW is rampant with players gaming the game.  Simjoke has taken it to a whole new level.  HTC needs to do something about this ASAP.  Whats to stop and entire country from upping 40 storches at ports and vbases over and over again to shoot troops.  Good luck killing all the little gamers on the ground. 


I think it's quite funny and awesome. Is it any less gamey then 30 peeps gangraping a port or vbase?  I think not!

You are thinkin about it all wrong, now there is opportunity for tards to vulch at a port or vbase, be thankfull, your score will improve  :aok



Here's a clue---> vulch the storch or bail from your plane and pop a cap indaass of the doods doin this  :aok



JUGgler
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Changeup on January 27, 2012, 03:24:42 PM

I think it's quite funny and awesome. Is it any less gamey then 30 peeps gangraping a port or vbase?  I think not!

You are thinkin about it all wrong, now there is opportunity for tards to vulch at a port or vbase, be thankfull, your score will improve  :aok



Here's a clue---> vulch the storch or bail from your plane and pop a cap indaass of the doods doin this  :aok



JUGgler


Ahhhhh nooooo.....now you went and did it....poppin caps in azzes....JUG with a .45 ACP?  What's the world coming to?
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Arlo on January 27, 2012, 03:29:31 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY)
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: VonMessa on January 27, 2012, 03:40:34 PM

Why, how nice of you to ask!  To me, capturing an enemy airfield deep in the heart of the enemy country by dropping the Dirty Dozen on it sounds very much like a PS3 video game.  So having 40 light aircraft emerge to oppose them doesn't strain my credulity any further.

Base capture in this game is an abstraction.  You can sit back and think, "Hey, this is sort of a representation of how the Germans captured Crete, or Holland maybe," but you can't (or...you shouldn't..) think that twelve guys can capture an enemy airfield and town.  The janitors alone would prevent that.  So if 40 Storchs rise out of the ground, climb into the air, drop their pilots and thereby create an OpFor, I don't have any problem thinking "Hey, this is sort of a representation of how base security might actually shoot at the parachutists."

I sense that you're just upset that base capture has become different and perhaps more difficult.

-oldman

Well, you are very good with words, but can you land safely in a wicked cross-wind?  :D
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Mano on January 27, 2012, 04:31:30 PM
Ripley said, "Let's nuke it from orbit, that's the only way to be sure."

Quote from Dragon
Quote
"Troops are out, did anyone strafe the map room"



Easy!

Every time I have helped capture a field I have heard someone say......Strafe the map room !

Does not seem like a big deal to me. You can deliver troops to the map room and often some downed pilot has already chuted in and is waiting to kill your troops.
You are probably going to see the map room bombed on a regular basis.

 :salute

Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Guppy35 on January 27, 2012, 04:35:13 PM
LOL if this is the biggest crisis in your life Grumpy, take a minute and enjoy it.

Talk about much ado about nothing :)
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Peyton on January 27, 2012, 04:47:47 PM
it has nothing to do with "change", it has to do with the unlimited ability to up a Storch, bail, and be near the MR in a pilot w/ 21 rounds of ammo.  It cam be done an unlimited amount of times.  

I for one dont really care how the Storch is tied to AH, or what it is classified as, but if HTC didnt intend for the Storch to be used as a last line of defense like it is at ports and v-bases, then classifying the Storch is the most logical way of eliminating the problem.  So take your "scared of change" and shove it right up your backpack.




To the Kind Sir who is acting like a Loony Bird,

If you kill all of the hangers you will not have the problem of the defenders launching the plane from the field let alone bailing out from it. I also believe that sraffing the maproom was mentioned in a previous post and has been a mainstay of play during a base captures.


I reach into my backpak and pull out the "Scared of Change" and place it right here for you again,  my fine feathered friend.

Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: DarkCrow on January 27, 2012, 05:02:28 PM
why dont we make it so it takes 10 actual players in the M3 to be let out so they can run for their lives with their trusty hand gun and shoot the bailing storch pilots that are trying to save their base.

 I actually really like this idea. Make the men on the ground with a little more detail. If the barracks are up the base can have infantry. We need live players to take the map room. Could add a whole another aspect to the game. With ground support to infantry, rescue pilots, the observer we now have, etc.

 It also could help with the hordes everbody complains about. There would be more men having to fill the ground role.
 I think this would be awesome.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: PFactorDave on January 27, 2012, 05:06:15 PM



To the Kind Sir who is acting like a Loony Bird,

If you kill all of the hangers you will not have the problem of the defenders launching the plane from the field let alone bailing out from it. I also believe that sraffing the maproom was mentioned in a previous post and has been a mainstay of play during a base captures.


I reach into my backpak and pull out the "Scared of Change" and place it right here for you again,  my fine feathered friend.



To the kind sir who didnt read the original post carefully enough...

He clearly said it was a Port and that the VH was already dead.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Big Rat on January 27, 2012, 06:08:40 PM
I have this vision...

The Horde does its thing at a port.  The defenders up 40 Storchs and all bail.  The Horde all bails.

Suddenly we have a 40 on 40 FPS gun battle on the ground while a solitary C47 orbits overhead.

 :lol, that's funny right there :aok

 :salute
BigRat
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Oldman731 on January 27, 2012, 08:32:48 PM
Well, you are very good with words, but can you land safely in a wicked cross-wind?  :D


You were lucky that day.

- oldman
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: wil3ur on January 28, 2012, 12:21:38 PM
What if we made an AI arena where everyone was all on the same team, and there were AI Bots that just flew circles like in offline arena so we can still get perkz, and then we can capture bases and win teh warz without some meanien00b defending.

I should be able to login, fly a set of buffs, and whtie flag a town, bail out, fly back in a typhoon and deack, bail out and drive an M3 to the maproom and get a capture all by myself.  It's completely lame that someone would try and defend!!!  Why would they even do that?!  You don't get perkz for killing troops?!
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: BaldEagl on January 28, 2012, 02:51:41 PM
I guess if I ever tried to take bases I might care.  It does sound like a bug to be fixed though.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Raphael on January 28, 2012, 03:01:54 PM
It also could help with the hordes everbody complains about. There would be more men having to fill the ground role.
 I think this would be awesome.


yes because 10 players would need to be in one goon, meaning 10 players less in the horde and more protection to the goons
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Rob52240 on January 28, 2012, 03:57:05 PM
You want to see gaming the game?  I'm finishing up my plan to take a base without flashing it at the moment.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Raphael on January 28, 2012, 04:16:05 PM
oh boy!
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Zoney on January 28, 2012, 04:19:12 PM
You want to see gaming the game?  I'm finishing up my plan to take a base without flashing it at the moment.

Attack of the Mole Men !   


Dig a tunnell from your base to theirs, pull the flag down through the hole and voile'.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: BowHTR on January 28, 2012, 06:10:43 PM
Attack of the Mole Men !   


Dig a tunnell from your base to theirs, pull the flag down through the hole and voile'.

You swore secrecy not to let this get out!!!
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Masherbrum on January 28, 2012, 07:58:32 PM
"Troops are out, did anyone strafe the map room"

Easy!

Think of the Chutes!  :(
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: TheDudeDVant on January 28, 2012, 08:43:56 PM
I'm surprised the puffy didn't get him before he bailed..

 :bolt:
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Rob52240 on January 28, 2012, 08:46:53 PM
You swore secrecy not to let this get out!!!

Sorry, I forgot and thought that the secret method was about how vDOGFITE got that old standup Polaris arcade console and was using it to psychically communicate with and government brain voodoo the opposing countries' maproom staff into giving us their field.

my bad.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: MajWoody on January 28, 2012, 09:27:24 PM
You want to see gaming the game?  I'm finishing up my plan to take a base without flashing it at the moment.
Will that be with your underground tank exploit?
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Rob52240 on January 28, 2012, 10:42:31 PM
Will that be with your underground tank exploit?

That caused the field to flash  :bhead
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: BowHTR on January 29, 2012, 07:16:03 PM
Will that be with your underground tank exploit?

Recent discovery showed that there were sensors underground that detected tunnel diggers. Next idea
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Rob52240 on January 29, 2012, 07:29:25 PM
I didn't dig that tunnel, I was blasted into a sinkhole while I was camping a VH with my LVTA2. 
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: VonMessa on January 30, 2012, 08:21:33 AM

You were lucky that day.

- oldman

That was fun and I attribute it to pilot skill.  :aok

Too bad you didn't get your name in lights  :(
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: dedalos on January 30, 2012, 09:43:08 AM
Whats to stop and entire country from upping 40 storches at ports and vbases over and over again to shoot troops.  Good luck killing all the little gamers on the ground. 

I don't think you could find 40 people willing to waste their time like that.  4 maybe, but at the same time it is a big stretch.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: VonMessa on January 30, 2012, 10:10:45 AM
I don't think you could find 40 people willing to waste their time like that.  4 maybe, but at the same time it is a big stretch.

 :rofl

I'm glad someone said it.  :aok
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Changeup on January 30, 2012, 10:27:59 AM
:rofl

I'm glad someone said it.  :aok

Oh....40 would do it!!!  Guarantee you! Hahaha....remember the NOE missions where guys would drop ords and bail?  Hehe.  Id do it if Shuff and Corky would bail on the other side.  I got a better chance of killing them with a 45 than a plane
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Slash27 on January 30, 2012, 10:48:58 AM
The thought of being in a M3 being rushed by 40 little guys with pistols keeps me awake at night. I don't pay $15 a month to have people fight back.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Shuffler on January 30, 2012, 12:41:40 PM
I upped at a base the other night and someone called out a storch. When I got offshore there were about 20 of them little buggers. lol


Grumpy it all comes out in the wash. I went to MW the other night for the first time this month. I was promptly ho'd in a 5 vs 1. Me being the one. Oh well lol.
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: grumpy37 on January 30, 2012, 12:52:33 PM
Yeah, I finally have a decent number of players in my squad now and we are going try out LW. 
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Volron on January 30, 2012, 01:05:23 PM
With they way they make the pilot sound like, I couldn't help but think...

Heavy is a Pilot!

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc473/UnkShadow/mongoid_tf2-heavy.jpg)

 :D

And no, it's not meant as an attack.  I just pictured Heavy as the bailed pilot in the MR after reading this one and one of the other topics on this issue. :lol
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: VonMessa on January 30, 2012, 01:22:56 PM
I upped at a base the other night and someone called out a storch. When I got offshore there were about 20 of them little buggers. lol


Grumpy it all comes out in the wash. I went to MW the other night for the first time this month. I was promptly ho'd in a 5 vs 1. Me being the one. Oh well lol.

No you didn't, EVZ says that they keep the numbers even over there and was butt-hurt because I HO'd them when I was by myself against 4 of them.

 :P
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: matt on January 30, 2012, 01:23:28 PM
The new version has introduced the Storch.  I was just in MW working in the bish trying to take a Port.  Hanger was down, tiger and wirb were up.  We killed both the tiger and Wirb.  I made another pass on the field to check guns and saw a chute on the ground.  I couldnt figure out where it came from.  After getting really pist and yelling at my computer i did some checking and even with all hangers down at a vbase or port a storch can still be upped.  You can then bail from the storch while it is still on the ground and run to the maproom to shoot troops.  Not sure if anyone in LW has tried this yet but MW is rampant with players gaming the game.  Simjoke has taken it to a whole new level.  HTC needs to do something about this ASAP.  Whats to stop and entire country from upping 40 storches at ports and vbases over and over again to shoot troops.  Good luck killing all the little gamers on the ground. 
  :furious
Title: Re: Gaming the game at a whole new level
Post by: Shuffler on January 30, 2012, 03:21:33 PM
No you didn't, EVZ says that they keep the numbers even over there and was butt-hurt because I HO'd them when I was by myself against 4 of them.

 :P


lol