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Title: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: oakranger on February 01, 2012, 10:33:03 PM
Interesting image I was looking at. Some of these AC I never saw before, but sure some of you have. Perhaps shed some light on them for some of us.

Exhibit #1  Ar 234?
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/5134514705_76799029e0.jpg)

Exhibit #2  This is interesting, what is it?
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/5134513911_2c2927554e.jpg)

Exhibit #3  They are doing it wrong if trying to make a P-38 look a like.
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/5113855282_c5fb12cf00.jpg)

Exhibit #4  I know that this is a Ar 234C, but what the bloody hell is that under it?
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/5113060426_d589b3ab73.jpg)

Exhibit #5  They are on a CV.  Looks like a Me 262 and He 219.
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/5109872904_8bdffe8d3b.jpg)

Exhibit #6  Hard to tell what AC this is, especially with a signal, what it appears to be a 20mm.
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/5056227974_663a7930d9.jpg)

Exhibit #7  Love to see a Me-262 with a 50 mm (2 in) MK 214 (or BK-5) anti-tank gun in nose.
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/5056227914_06707dab43_o.jpg)

Exhibit #8  It dose not look like the D-9, but never side I am never wrong.
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/5056212204_6c55077b81.jpg)

Exhibit #9  What kind of weapon system is this?
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/5042712985_d3a1143379.jpg)

Exhibit #10  Me-262 with a glass nose?  What was this used for?
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/5042710835_9ae60ed5a1.jpg)

Exhibit #11  What AC had this emblem?
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/5042692261_2ccb3d2de1.jpg)
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: Raphael on February 01, 2012, 10:34:49 PM
the third one looks like that bf109Z
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: F22RaptorDude on February 01, 2012, 10:41:59 PM
Recall seeing vertical take off craft that resembled UFO's that the nazi's were working on the Military Channel.



Also this, the flying wing concept
GO-229
(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site577/2009/0624/20090624_080105_naziaircraft_500.jpg)
http://www.world-war-2-planes.com/go-229-jet-aircraft.html (http://www.world-war-2-planes.com/go-229-jet-aircraft.html)
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: oakranger on February 01, 2012, 11:24:01 PM
the third one looks like that bf109Z

It does and what I first thought. However, the canopy does not stick up like that, and each boom have two set of wheels (side by side). Only info i read about the 109Z was that four where made, never flew and non where armed with a gun on the tail fin.
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: Vulcan on February 01, 2012, 11:49:27 PM
Me-262 A2/U2

(http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/DSCF0039.jpg)
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: Volron on February 01, 2012, 11:56:07 PM
6 is an He-111.
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: oakranger on February 02, 2012, 12:08:24 AM
Me-262 A2/U2

(http://hsfeatures.com/features04/images/DSCF0039.jpg)
A bomber version?

6 is an He-111.

Really?  I did not know they had a single gun at the tail end. \\Thanks gents
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: Volron on February 02, 2012, 01:25:02 AM
According to wiki (I know), the H3 had the ability to mount an MG 15/17 in the tail.  It would not surprise me if they mounted a 20mm in a few of them as well but it would more than likely be something done to a very few planes.  The MG option would likely have seen the most use.  While not too clear on what variant they started allowing this option, there is no mistaking the tail.  That sexy, sexy tail... :D
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: Rob52240 on February 02, 2012, 01:30:41 AM
Glazed nose was a bomber, 50mm was a bomber destroyer.
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: Devil 505 on February 02, 2012, 07:19:56 AM
According to wiki (I know), the H3 had the ability to mount an MG 15/17 in the tail.  It would not surprise me if they mounted a 20mm in a few of them as well but it would more than likely be something done to a very few planes.

Nothing special about that one. That IS a MG 17 in pic #6. No 20mm cannon there.

MG 17 http://complete109.com/armament/cannons/mg17/

MG ff http://complete109.com/armament/cannons/mgff/

MG 151 http://complete109.com/armament/cannons/mg151/
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: MiloMorai on February 02, 2012, 09:41:40 AM
No 2 is a Heinkel, but can't remember the designation.

No 3 is an Italian a/c.

Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: oakranger on February 02, 2012, 09:43:26 AM
No 2 is a Heinkel, but can't remember the designation.

No 3 is an Italian a/c.



What AC is that?
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: Shuffler on February 02, 2012, 10:16:01 AM
A bomber version?

Hitler had asked if the 262 could carry bombs. He was assured it could. He had visions of mass 262 raids on factories with 262s that could not be intercepted because of their speed.

When he was ready to put his idea into play, he asked how many were available that could carry bombs.... the answer was none. He ordered all 262s to be able to carry bombs and that is one thing that slowed production. He was his own worst enemy.
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: Reschke on February 02, 2012, 11:23:39 AM
The aircraft on the carrier were the ones transported AFTER WW2 by the US back over here for testing and evaluation. Nothing new there but it is an interesting picture to say the least. If I remember correctly the planes were coated with a protective paint/coating to keep them from corrosion from the salt spray and air while in transit.
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: Shuffler on February 02, 2012, 12:10:23 PM

Image in your sig violated image shacks TOS looks like.  :rofl
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: Rino on February 02, 2012, 03:28:38 PM
     In number 3 the canopy looks wrong for a 109, no "razorback".  It reminds me of a Blohm and Voss style design, but I haven't
found anything that looks like the model yet.
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: oakranger on February 02, 2012, 04:55:24 PM
No 2 is a Heinkel, but can't remember the designation.

No 3 is an Italian a/c.



     In number 3 the canopy looks wrong for a 109, no "razorback".  It reminds me of a Blohm and Voss style design, but I haven't
found anything that looks like the model yet.


MiloMorai said it is a Italian AC.  Waiting for him to tell me what it is.

Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: MiloMorai on February 02, 2012, 05:49:17 PM
MiloMorai said it is a Italian AC.  Waiting for him to tell me what it is.

I would if I could remember.  :) Try Google yourself.
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: oakranger on February 02, 2012, 06:11:11 PM
I would if I could remember.  :) Try Google yourself.
Looking, but no luck. There is one thing, all the pics i posted i got from a Luftwaffe site that only posted German AC. Maybe you got it wrong.
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: MK-84 on February 02, 2012, 07:37:00 PM
Maybe he's thinking of a Caproni CA-380 Corsaro, which looks similar
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: Motherland on February 02, 2012, 07:42:11 PM
Looking, but no luck. There is one thing, all the pics i posted i got from a Luftwaffe site that only posted German AC. Maybe you got it wrong.
I don't know what it is, but the lines of the aircraft are really characteristically Italian. From no other country do you find that distinctive roundness to the fuselage, and especially the canopy and rudder shape.
Looks like a pair of Macchis or FIATs thrown together.

The tail gun is indeed from a Heinkel and it's a 7.92mm MG17. An MG151/20 20mm was almost 6' long.

Also the last one is a Bf 110. There was some more extravagant nose art to be found on German aircraft during the Battle of Britain. I have a profile with similar nose art (may be just from the same unit or..) listed as Bf 110C flown by Guenther Specht of I/ZG 26 in 1940.
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: oakranger on February 02, 2012, 07:46:49 PM
Maybe he's thinking of a Caproni CA-380 Corsaro, which looks similar

Nope, just found it.  It is a Savoia-Marchetti SM.92


Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: MK-84 on February 02, 2012, 08:24:46 PM
Nope, just found it.  It is a Savoia-Marchetti SM.92




Arghhh!! you beat me to it! :bhead

I had just finished looking at the german designs (the Arado 530 is interesting) and I finally decided that the canopy HAD to be Italian in design...and you beat me :(
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: oakranger on February 02, 2012, 08:36:38 PM
Arghhh!! you beat me to it! :bhead

I had just finished looking at the german designs (the Arado 530 is interesting) and I finally decided that the canopy HAD to be Italian in design...and you beat me :(

Something new we learn.  "In March 1944 it was mistaken for a P-38 Lightning and attacked by a Macchi C.205. The aircraft survived by performing evasive manoeuvres, but it was so badly damaged that it was grounded for months."  Looks like i almost called it when i said they are trying to look like a P-38.
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: Raphael on February 02, 2012, 08:41:47 PM
so ur saying it saw action?  :noid

maybe a wish
Title: Re: Projects & Prototypes of Luftwaffe
Post by: oakranger on February 02, 2012, 08:45:43 PM
so ur saying it saw action?  :noid

maybe a wish

LOL, there was only one made.  It may have been on test flight when is was attacked.  The Italians have a nack of attacking their own AC rather then Allies.