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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Widewing on February 01, 2012, 11:20:43 PM
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Walt Boyne sent me this link.... Enjoy!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787@N07/sets/72157605269786717/show/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787@N07/sets/72157605269786717/show/)
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Great stuff, thanks for posting.
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awesome. :aok
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Thanks for the link, great stuff.
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Thanks for posting
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Lots of great pictures, many planes I did not know even existed.
Some questions. How many UK units flew the P-38, where and what models? I saw a couple pictures of P-51Bs, one of which included what appeared to be a 4x20mm gun package. If so...this needs to be in the game! And where those Hispanos? I saw one picture of a P-47 though not certain what model. Was this a "captured, Yank" bird or did the Brits fly this in unit strength? Did they have any units flying the PonyD?
I searched a bit on this and didn't find answers. I am guessing some might know right off the top of their heads. Thanks in advance, and maybe we focus on that 4x20mm gun package for starters! Skuzzy?!
Boo
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What a great collection - thanks for sharing.
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Wow!!! :aok
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Thank you for posting Widewing. That's a nice collection, with a fair few I hadn't seen before.
The UK never flew the P-38 in anger. They ordered a version without turbochargers, but later cancelled them.
The P-51 with cannons was a Mk Ia. There were IIRC about 150 made with the RAF getting about 120. They were used for low level recon and "Rhubarb" missions over France, shooting up trains etc. This version had the Allison engine, so it would lack the high alt performance of the P-51s we have now. Might see it as a perk plane if and when HTC model the P-51A.
The RAF was a major user of the P-47 in the Far East, not in the ETO and MTO though.
The RAF used a lot of P-51s in Europe from the A version right through to the K.
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Thanks Greebo!
Lots of good information with only a couple follow-ups. First, were the P-51A and P-51K British designations? I understood there to be a prepoduction P-51A but that lead to the production model B. Also, the K model? Any good sources on the 47s flown by our British brethren? Had no idea. I always thought the Brits let us fly the fatboys while they tooled around in fancy Spits and fast Typs/Temps...mistaken again!
Boo
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Nice pics. :aok
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Very nice... Thanks Widewing!
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The P-51K was basically just a D with a different propeller. The RAF called their aircraft Mustang Mk I, II, III and IV.
Early Mustangs with the single stage Allison engine had a number of different variants. The RAF called them Mustang Mk I, IA (the rare Hispano variant) or Mk II, the main differences being in armament layout. In US service they were P-51, P-51A or A-36, the last was a dive bomber variant with air brakes. A few of the RAF's Hispano Mustangs were used by the USAAF as camera equipped recon fighters, can't recall the designation offhand. The Packard Merlin equipped Mk III and IV were equivalents of the B/C and D/K.
The RAF's P-47s were all Ds and only varied from the US versions in minor equipment, radios and bomb racks etc. They replaced Hurricanes in the SEAC theater and were used for ground attack mostly. Can't think of a good source on SEAC Thunderbolts right now, but I'll let you know if I do.
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What on earth is that Jet engined flying boat? :O
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Awesome sight. :aok
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look twice at the photo labeled ""Tempest"" right after the lancaster factory. It is , in fact a fw 190 copy known as the Sea Fury
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:aok thanks :D
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look twice at the photo labeled ""Tempest"" right after the lancaster factory. It is , in fact a fw 190 copy known as the Sea Fury
You are, in fact, incorrect....
Did you read the photo's notes? I'd wager not....
This is a Sea Fury:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/Seafury_1.jpg)
This a a Tempest fitted with an experimental annular radiator:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5070/5674825997_6c4f6de516_b.jpg)
Read this: http://www.hawkertempest.se/AnnularRadiator.htm (http://www.hawkertempest.se/AnnularRadiator.htm)
Finally, the Tempest was a development of the Typhoon, whose origins had absolutely nothing to do with the Fw 190.
Below is the prototype Typhoon, which first flew in May of 1941, and was specifically designed to an Air Ministry specification released in 1937, before the Focke Wulf was anything more than a concept.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Typhoon_prototype1.jpg)
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look twice at the photo labeled ""Tempest"" right after the lancaster factory. It is , in fact a fw 190 copy known as the Sea Fury
Seafury was not a copy of the Fw190. It was an evolution of the Typhoon/Tempest line. Where did you get the idea it was a copy of the Fw190?
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Would I be correct in assuming that that hump raising the cockpit on the sea fury is specifically to see over the nose for carrier landings?
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Read this: http://www.hawkertempest.se/AnnularRadiator.htm (http://www.hawkertempest.se/AnnularRadiator.htm)
Finally, the Tempest was a development of the Typhoon, whose origins had absolutely nothing to do with the Fw 190.
Below is the prototype Typhoon, which first flew in May of 1941, and was specifically designed to an Air Ministry specification released in 1937, before the Focke Wulf was anything more than a concept.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Typhoon_prototype1.jpg)
I think he meant Tempest Mk II and the way radial Bristol Centaurus engine was mounted, including annular oil cooler, which indeed was copied from captured fw190.
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Would I be correct in assuming that that hump raising the cockpit on the sea fury is specifically to see over the nose for carrier landings?
You would be correct.
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I think he meant Tempest Mk II and the way radial Bristol Centaurus engine was mounted, including annular oil cooler, which indeed was copied from captured fw190.
I think you're being very generous.... :)
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Great link!!
MH
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Fantastic link. The first two Mossie pics are I believe of an FB.VI used in the recce role by 60 SAAF, will check. If so, they are very rare images indeed.
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Walt Boyne sent me this link.... Enjoy!
Must be nice to have such great friends!
I enjoy reading his books and he seems like a nice guy the little I know of him.
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Must be nice to have such great friends!
I enjoy reading his books and he seems like a nice guy the little I know of him.
I've known Walt for quite some time, a legacy of working with Warren Bodie for a number of years. Walt is a very kind and generous guy, always finding time for fans and aviation/history buffs.
BTW, Walt celebrated his 83rd birthday yesterday. To give you an example of Walt's character, he answered each and every birthday wish posted to his Facebook page individually.
You can easily find Walt on Facebook, just do a search for Walter J. Boyne.
Walt and his wife Teri... Courtesy of his grandson.
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/307919_10150337782801633_571856632_8296663_562082599_n.jpg)
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You are, in fact, incorrect....
Did you read the photo's notes? I'd wager not....
This is a Sea Fury:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/Seafury_1.jpg)
This a a Tempest fitted with an experimental annular radiator:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5070/5674825997_6c4f6de516_b.jpg)
Read this: http://www.hawkertempest.se/AnnularRadiator.htm (http://www.hawkertempest.se/AnnularRadiator.htm)
Finally, the Tempest was a development of the Typhoon, whose origins had absolutely nothing to do with the Fw 190.
Below is the prototype Typhoon, which first flew in May of 1941, and was specifically designed to an Air Ministry specification released in 1937, before the Focke Wulf was anything more than a concept.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Typhoon_prototype1.jpg)
Not that pic, the one right after the Lanc factory pic, ,on the ground confused me since the first 6 feet of the airframe is identical to the Fury, but the tail is all Tempest
http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/seafury.html
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Not that pic, the one right after the Lanc factory pic, ,on the ground confused me since the first 6 feet of the airframe is identical to the Fury, but the tail is all Tempest
http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/aircraft/seafury.html
You mean this photo, right? It's a Tempest II, from which the Fury and Sea Fury evolved....
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5176/5481381292_b69af5f65f_b.jpg)
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Nice pics, thanks for sharing Widewing.
Anyone have an idea on how to save some of those photos for reference use?
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Nice pics, thanks for sharing Widewing.
Anyone have an idea on how to save some of those photos for reference use?
With the slide show running, click on the link to the photo folder in the upper left. This will take you to the folder where you can select each image individually. When you select an image, click on the Action pull down menu, and select View All Sizes. From there, you can pick any size and save the photo to your hard drive.
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Thanks, comments confirm the first Mossie is a SAAF machine, HP968. Would make a good skin.
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I cant get enough of this site. Brit WW2 warplanes are Sooooooo beautiful. :D
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With the slide show running, click on the link to the photo folder in the upper left. This will take you to the folder where you can select each image individually. When you select an image, click on the Action pull down menu, and select View All Sizes. From there, you can pick any size and save the photo to your hard drive.
Thanks WW.