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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 1Nicolas on February 05, 2012, 08:10:49 AM
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I think we should have the Tupolev Tu-2. It's slim profile makes it fast and manuverable. So how about it?
Specs:
General characteristics
Crew: 4
Length: 13.80 m (45 ft 3 in)
Wingspan: 18.86 m (61 ft 10 in)
Height: 4.13 m (13 ft 7 in)
Wing area: 48.5 m² (522 ft²)
Empty weight: 7,601 kg (16,757 lb)
Loaded weight: 10,538 kg (23,232 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 11,768 kg (25,944 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Shvetsov ASh-82 radial engine, 1,380 kW (1,850 hp) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 521 km/h (281 kn, 325 mph)
Range: 2,020 km (1,090 nmi, 1,260 mi)
Service ceiling: 9,000 m (29,528 ft)
Rate of climb: 8.2 m/s (1,610 ft/min)
Wing loading: 217 kg/m² (45 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 260 W/kg (0.16 hp/lb)
Armament
Guns:
2 × 20 mm (0.79 in) fixed forward-firing ShVAK cannon in the wings
3 × 7.62 mm (0.30 in) rear-firing ShKAS machine guns (later replaced by 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Berezin UB machine guns) in the canopy, dorsal and ventral hatches.
Bombs: 1,500 kg (3,300 lb) internally and 2,270 kg (5,000 lb) externally
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x347/1Nicolas/tu-2-s.gif)
(http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x347/1Nicolas/300px-Tu-2_at_the_China_Aviation_Museum.jpg)
Here is a link to another post for The Tu-2 by Bruv119: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,328144.msg4298796.html#msg4298796
Here is a post link for Tu-2 by alpini13: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,322093.msg4200854.html#msg4200854
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Armament
Guns:
2 × 20 mm (0.79 in) fixed forward-firing ShVAK cannon in the wings
3 × 7.62 mm (0.30 in) rear-firing ShKAS machine guns (later replaced by 12.7 mm (0.50 in) Berezin UB machine guns) in the canopy, dorsal and ventral hatches.
Bombs: 1,500 kg (3,300 lb) internally and 2,270 kg (5,000 lb) externally
I like the sound of the two twenty mms, not too much but should do good in strafing.
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I like the sound of the two twenty mms, not too much but should do good in strafing.
If u click the link for the post by Bruv; he said it had twin 23mm cannons. Different version probably
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HTC probably considered adding TU-2 roughly 10 years ago: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,26160.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,26160.0.html)
It looks like it didn't make it into the game due to the lack of reference material.
Here's some reference material:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Tu2_Image06.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Tu2_Image07.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Tu2_Image08.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_1.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_2.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_3.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_4.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_6.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_7.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_8.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_9.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_10.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_11.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_12.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_13.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_14.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_15.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_16.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_17.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_18.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_19.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_20.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_21.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_22.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_23.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_24.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_25.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_26.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_27.jpg)
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wow wmaker! that makes up for reference material . :salute
Yes I read somewhere they were 23mm Shvak cannon, but 20mm is just as good.
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I didnt think the 23mm were anything but AP, so if that is the case them the 20mm would serve the Tu-2 better, imo. :)
I ***really*** hope HTC pays attention to this thread and keeps it for reference. There is a lot of very useful information in here, at least in terms of rendering an aircraft model. :aok
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well going by the older thread Pyro sounds all keen to get her done and then 12 years later still no Tu-2!
I wonder what happened :D
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Nice job Wmaker. :aok
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Nice reference mat'l. Translations?
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It would be a wonderful addition. :salute
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+1 excellent research, if added would we have drones?
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The Tu-2 would be one of the best additions left for the MA. Useful in some scenarios too.
matt,
Yes, it would have formations as an option.
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Nice reference mat'l. Translations?
I have the same problem with 80% of my material, most of my books were written in the 50s and 60s. Things like the Tu-2 would either be written in Russian or Polish.
For example I am trying to research the He-111 right now, however every single book is written in German.
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HTC probably considered adding TU-2 roughly 10 years ago: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,26160.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,26160.0.html)
It looks like it didn't make it into the game due to the lack of reference material.
Here's some reference material:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Tu2_Image06.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Tu2_Image07.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/Tu2_Image08.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_1.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_2.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_3.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_4.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_6.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_7.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_8.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_9.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_10.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_11.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_12.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_13.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_14.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_15.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_16.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_17.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_18.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_19.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_20.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_21.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_22.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_23.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_24.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_25.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_26.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_27.jpg)
Wow 2001... I wasnt even born then
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well going by the older thread Pyro sounds all keen to get her done and then 12 years later still no Tu-2!
I wonder what happened :D
what are you impatient????? just wait 2 weeks!!!
that is some cool reference material WMaker!!!
could you find anything on performance?
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Wow 2001... I wasnt even born then
As mature as you have been on the BBS I could hardly tell if you were under 15 or over (that is a good thing).
Kudos to you Nicolas :)
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So your saying im 10 yrs old and I act like im 15 yrs or older?
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he is saying you act older and more mature than your 10 years and that when you are dealing with older people this is a good quality.
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Tu-2 wish =
+1
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could you find anything on performance?
I'll post something more comprehensive later but here are couple figures. A prototype powered with the engines which the serial aircraft were also powered (Ash-82FN/M-82FN) did 328mph on the deck and 352mph at 18000ft. Figures that probably better represent a production aircraft come from flight testing of a No.100716 which was an early production aircraft that was heavily modified to standard which most of the war time production aircraft were built to. No.100716 did 299.5mph on the deck and 339.8mph at altitude. Climb to 16400ft took 9.5 minutes by the same aircraft.
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sounds like it would be a cool addition :aok
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Walk-around pics of the example at Monino: http://scalemodels.ru/modules/photo/viewcat_cid_180.html (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/photo/viewcat_cid_180.html)
Some more material:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_28.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_29.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_30.jpg)
According to this table 500km/h on the deck (311mph) and 550km/h (342mph) at 5700m (18700ft). The latter figure is something which I've seen mentioned several times in literature. These figures would make it quite a performer IMO.
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_31.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_32.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_33.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU_34.jpg)
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Speed curve for the TU-2S:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/TU-2_speedcurve.jpg)
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They were great fun in Fighter Ace back when. It was the primary bomber of the USMC squad.
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If you need Russian translated I can ask my niece if she would do it, she's fluent in Russian.
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If you need Russian translated I can ask my niece if she would do it, she's fluent in Russian.
or just use google translate. http://translate.google.com/
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If Google translate will do scaned documents.
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+1.. i like it
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If Google translate will do scaned documents.
you could just type it in.
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A little more info.
http://en.calameo.com/read/0013529283e3b28de8755
http://en.calameo.com/read/0013529282e1647366c4e
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Tu-2 wish detected...
+1
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+1 Tu-2 we need Russikie bombers lol
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Instant +1 for me
really need to expand the russian plane catalog in game
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Instant +1 for me
really need to expand the russian plane catalog in game
:aok
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From a MA standpoint the Tu-2 would be one of the best additions still to be done. I would certainly use it now and then and I expect it would be a pretty common sight in the LWA.
Pe-2 and Il-4 makes more sense for scenarios, but wouldn't get much MA use due to the Pe-2s small bomb load and the Il-4's vulnerability.
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+1 this needs to be added russian plane set is too small all we have are fighters and one tank killer we need a bomber :x
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+1 this plane was fun and effective in Fighter Ace
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Ive been requesting this airplane for many years.
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+1
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i'll +1 this thread again,
would replace my ju88 / b25c combo for attack runs. Might also give the A20 a run for it's money in the dogfighting department.
A good late war bomber that would see alot of use and not to mention a bomber for the Soviets who are the only major player in WW2 not to have a level bomber in AH2. :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch:
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The Tu-2 is nice, but IMHO I have to say that the Pe-2 really makes more sense as an addition.
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pe-2 is not as uber though!
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Bruv just wants to try to dogfight with the Tu-2
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pe-2 is not as uber though!
Understand that (although the Pe-2 is faster) - but the Russian planeset not having the Pe-2 (11,400 built) is like the Germans not having the Me-110 or the British not having the Mossie.
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pe-2 is not as uber though!
No it isn't but, as mentioned, Pe-2 is much more relevant as far as the real war goes. While Tu-2 would fit right into the LWMA, there really isn't a shortage of well performing MA-bombers as there is of "special events bombers".
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... is like the Germans not having the Me-110 ...
Not meaning to hijack but,
Or the Germans not have the HE-111?
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Not meaning to hijack but,
Or the Germans not have the HE-111?
To a degree, but not entirely as the Ju88A-4 can stand in reasonably well for the He111 whereas there isn't anything Russian to stand in for the Pe-2, Il-4 or Tu-2.
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To a degree, but not entirely as the Ju88A-4 can stand in reasonably well for the He111 whereas there isn't anything Russian to stand in for the Pe-2, Il-4 or Tu-2.
+1
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Thing is the He-111 is so iconic, and was such a work horse for the Luftwaffe that its absence is a crime. Heck, I even have a BoB patch from an AH scenario with He-111s on it! I have a patch with a plane that we don't have? Reason: It is the main German plane that comes to mind when BoB is said!
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Would the tu2 have drones option if added ?
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Would the tu2 have drones option if added ?
Yes.
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I like it, I like it alot.
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Yes.
ty
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+! to new russian and or italian planes...and british tanks
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I like the idea of tu2 alot
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Its nice to see this very necessary Bomber finally getting its due. Some nice looks of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLs2qeDuuC8.
The speed of a Mossie, the bombload of a B26, the agility of the JU. This was a great bomber. I can just picture events with it surrounded by Yaks, IL2s, LAs, lend lease planes. Against the hated LW, With Soviet armor battling the Hun under them. It would be epic.
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+1 for the Tu-2.
Us Luft guys need more diversity in our targets.
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The speed of a Mossie, the bombload of a B26, the agility of the JU. This was a great bomber. I can just picture events with it surrounded by Yaks, IL2s, LAs, lend lease planes. Against the hated LW, With Soviet armor battling the Hun under them. It would be epic.
:aok :aok :aok
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:banana:+1