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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dichotomy on February 08, 2012, 04:09:56 PM
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http://www.bnqt.com/blogs/detail/Paraplegic-Lands-First-Ever-Epic-Backflip-on-a-Sit-Ski/11069
watch the video and tell me I'm wrong
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WOW
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He broke his neck doing a flip, and his life's goal after the accident is to do the same stunt again?
Amazing is the right word, but in the context of "it's amazing how hard some people work to ensure they remove themselves from the gene pool".
Good for him achieving his goal, but that's not exactly what I think I'd dedicate my life to doing after suffering that bad of an injury participating in a high risk sporting activity. It's a bit like if you lose the use of your shooting hand after shooting yourself in the head playing russian roulette, switching the gun to your off-hand and bragging about continuing to play russian roulette. It sure shows dedication but the judgement call is IMHO questionable.
But the world needs crazies to push boundaries so even if he kills himself next time I suppose he'll be serving a purpose in the grand scheme of things.
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Yeah, he could have stayed grounded but good for him he didn't. :aok
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He broke his neck doing a flip, and his life's goal after the accident is to do the same stunt again?
Amazing is the right word, but in the context of "it's amazing how hard some people work to ensure they remove themselves from the gene pool".
Good for him achieving his goal, but that's not exactly what I think I'd dedicate my life to doing after suffering that bad of an injury participating in a high risk sporting activity. It's a bit like if you lose the use of your shooting hand after shooting yourself in the head playing russian roulette, switching the gun to your off-hand and bragging about continuing to play russian roulette. It sure shows dedication but the judgement call is IMHO questionable.
But the world needs crazies to push boundaries so even if he kills himself next time I suppose he'll be serving a purpose in the grand scheme of things.
:huh
Some people don't understand doing what you love and not being held back by anything...
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This guy too
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/6657736-paraplegic-pilot-takes-flight-over-north-texas/
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He broke his neck doing a flip, and his life's goal after the accident is to do the same stunt again?
Amazing is the right word, but in the context of "it's amazing how hard some people work to ensure they remove themselves from the gene pool".
Good for him achieving his goal, but that's not exactly what I think I'd dedicate my life to doing after suffering that bad of an injury participating in a high risk sporting activity. It's a bit like if you lose the use of your shooting hand after shooting yourself in the head playing russian roulette, switching the gun to your off-hand and bragging about continuing to play russian roulette. It sure shows dedication but the judgement call is IMHO questionable.
But the world needs crazies to push boundaries so even if he kills himself next time I suppose he'll be serving a purpose in the grand scheme of things.
You know I like and respect you sir but seriously?
The guy loves what he does and does what he loves. Are you telling me you haven't had a few close calls in your platforms? If something, God forbid, happened to you are you seriously saying if the opportunity to get in and ride that beast one more time wouldn't appeal to you?
I think the guy in question has some serious stones.
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This guy is an inspiration. Nuff said.
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You know I like and respect you sir but seriously?
The guy loves what he does and does what he loves. Are you telling me you haven't had a few close calls in your platforms? If something, God forbid, happened to you are you seriously saying if the opportunity to get in and ride that beast one more time wouldn't appeal to you?
I think the guy in question has some serious stones.
I don't do leisure activities that after a single unavoidable, unpredictable, yet entirely expected accident would make it so I couldn't care for my family. I risk my life daily in the service of my country, doing a job that is pretty unforgiving of mistakes. But it's for a higher cause than simply being fun to do, and I also earn a decent wage doing it so I can support my family. If it wasn't in defense of my country, no way in heck would I accept the risk of military flying no matter what the wages were. I love flying and I love skiing, but some types of flying and some types of skiing are significantly more hazardous than others. I risk my neck flying for my country, and to be honest the pay which supports my family isn't bad either. But I don't fly just for the money or the thrill no matter how much I love it.
I also don't do free rock climbing or any number of other activities where the inevitable error, mistake, or accident leads to an almost certain death or massive injury. If I did, and I was to suffer a massive injury doing so, I certainly wouldn't go back to do it again. I have much more important things to do with my life than to risk my life or risk the welfare of my family for the thrill of a joyride.
If that is what floats their boat, I'm not going to try to stop thrill seekers from getting their adrenaline fix. And I already said that I believe that society needs a handful of lunatics like that to press the boundaries of human abilities. But I'm not going to hold up an example of someone going back to continue a high risk leisure activity that already nearly killed them as something heroic, any more than I'd applaud a heroin junkie who, after getting out of rehab, went through severe hardship to get his next fix.
Would anyone call Richard Pryor a hero if he had to endure severe hardships to continue to do drugs after the richard-on-fire incident that almost killed him? It was a risky activity that he loved to do, and it almost killed him...
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I'd call his actions heroic if after his accident, he founded a company selling skiing equipment and became rich, expecially if some of the stuff he sold enabled other paralyzed people or amputees to keep skiing. Or if he became a civic leader. Or a teacher. Anything but going back to do the same stupid idiotic thing that got him paralyzed in the first place. That's not heroic, it seems kind of dumb actually.
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I don't do leisure activities that after a single unavoidable, unpredictable, yet entirely expected accident would make it so I couldn't care for my family. I risk my life daily in the service of my country, doing a job that is pretty unforgiving of mistakes. But it's for a higher cause than simply being fun to do, and I also earn a decent wage doing it so I can support my family. If it wasn't in defense of my country, no way in heck would I accept the risk of military flying no matter what the wages were. I love flying and I love skiing, but some types of flying and some types of skiing are significantly more hazardous than others. I risk my neck flying for my country, and to be honest the pay which supports my family isn't bad either. But I don't fly just for the money or the thrill no matter how much I love it.
I also don't do free rock climbing or any number of other activities where the inevitable error, mistake, or accident leads to an almost certain death or massive injury. If I did, and I was to suffer a massive injury doing so, I certainly wouldn't go back to do it again. I have much more important things to do with my life than to risk my life or risk the welfare of my family for the thrill of a joyride.
If that is what floats their boat, I'm not going to try to stop thrill seekers from getting their adrenaline fix. And I already said that I believe that society needs a handful of lunatics like that to press the boundaries of human abilities. But I'm not going to hold up an example of someone going back to continue a high risk leisure activity that already nearly killed them as something heroic, any more than I'd applaud a heroin junkie who, after getting out of rehab, went through severe hardship to get his next fix.
Would anyone call Richard Pryor a hero if he had to endure severe hardships to continue to do drugs after the richard-on-fire incident that almost killed him? It was a risky activity that he loved to do, and it almost killed him...
I agree.
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I don't do leisure activities that after a single unavoidable, unpredictable, yet entirely expected accident would make it so I couldn't care for my family. I risk my life daily in the service of my country, doing a job that is pretty unforgiving of mistakes. But it's for a higher cause than simply being fun to do, and I also earn a decent wage doing it so I can support my family. If it wasn't in defense of my country, no way in heck would I accept the risk of military flying no matter what the wages were. I love flying and I love skiing, but some types of flying and some types of skiing are significantly more hazardous than others. I risk my neck flying for my country, and to be honest the pay which supports my family isn't bad either. But I don't fly just for the money or the thrill no matter how much I love it.
even if it was the one thing you live for in this world? you wouldnt try to keep doing it when hindered in such a way? we all have the one thing in our lives that as a hobby or as a love we do not want to live with. why is this different?
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Ya pay your money and ya take your chances. How much are ya willing to lose is the question.
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even if it was the one thing you live for in this world? you wouldnt try to keep doing it when hindered in such a way? we all have the one thing in our lives that as a hobby or as a love we do not want to live with. why is this different?
That makes him a junkie not a hero, in my opinion. I understand that many people have the initial reaction of admiring what he did. Think about it from a slightly different perspective and he's just some guy who had to work extra hard to be able to do a highly dangerous leisure activity that he really enjoys.
The hero to me is some guy who does stuff for other people... Simply overcoming adversity can be inspirational, but in my opinion overcoming great adversity to continue doing a high-risk leisure activity is more dumb than inspirational. Think of what he could have done with that drive if he'd spent the same energy doing something productive instead of trying to finish killing himself.
Again, it's his choice and I wouldn't dream of criticizing him for his choices even if I personally think it's a dumb thing to do. But I'm not going to use him for inspiration, as an example to follow, or hold him up as a hero for others to emulate, for all the reasons I've already stated. If he'd done something worthwhile after breaking his neck, yea he'd be a total hero to me. Going back down the mountain and doing the flip again is a neat trick but that's about it.
Of course, I am not an amputee and I'm not paralyzed. I understand that a lot of people who face severe physical challenges would be more inspired by what he's done, mastering a physical activity in spite of his physical condition. It still seems kind of dumb and frankly I'd be more impressed if he came up with a better way for guys in wheelchairs to wipe their butts. I'm not being sarcastic at all, that's HARD and a terribly demoralizing thing to struggle with. As a guy with a painful and limiting back injury myself, I understand how demoralizing such injuries can be. But going back to do a ski jump... Impress me by putting that effort into something noble and then I'll be inspired. This guy just spent a lot of energy overcoming barriers that were preventing him from trying to kill himself again.
edit: I just finished a painful daily 20 minute session in traction hanging upside down on an inversion table, so I can continue to work to support my family. I'd be a freaking retard if I took the progress I've made through painful daily rehab and therapy, and risked it all for a joyride off of a ski jump. Or started hiring myself out as an advanced aerobatic flight instructor just because it's the most fun thing I can think of doing after I get out of the military. That's just stupid and dangerous. I've already suffered my life changing injury doing the one thing I love to do. Time to grow up, and I made my "final" decision to grow up about 6 months ago when I finally got my back injury treated. I guess I'm not impressed in part because of the choices I've made and continue to make, as an adult with responsibilities.
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he just wouldn't take no for a answer :lol he's got more balls then brains is all i can say. :huh
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That was cool. I can imagine him saying, "I may have a poop bag strapped to me, but I still rock."
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And BTW I think there is a world of difference between this guy, and for example a military veteran missing a leg or two who comes back to run a marathon or something. Oor an oil rig worker who lost an arm on the job who figures out how to play baseball with his kids. Those stories inspire me.
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I don't do leisure activities that after a single unavoidable, unpredictable, yet entirely expected accident would make it so I couldn't care for my family. I risk my life daily in the service of my country, doing a job that is pretty unforgiving of mistakes. But it's for a higher cause than simply being fun to do, and I also earn a decent wage doing it so I can support my family. If it wasn't in defense of my country, no way in heck would I accept the risk of military flying no matter what the wages were. I love flying and I love skiing, but some types of flying and some types of skiing are significantly more hazardous than others. I risk my neck flying for my country, and to be honest the pay which supports my family isn't bad either. But I don't fly just for the money or the thrill no matter how much I love it.
I also don't do free rock climbing or any number of other activities where the inevitable error, mistake, or accident leads to an almost certain death or massive injury. If I did, and I was to suffer a massive injury doing so, I certainly wouldn't go back to do it again. I have much more important things to do with my life than to risk my life or risk the welfare of my family for the thrill of a joyride.
If that is what floats their boat, I'm not going to try to stop thrill seekers from getting their adrenaline fix. And I already said that I believe that society needs a handful of lunatics like that to press the boundaries of human abilities. But I'm not going to hold up an example of someone going back to continue a high risk leisure activity that already nearly killed them as something heroic, any more than I'd applaud a heroin junkie who, after getting out of rehab, went through severe hardship to get his next fix.
Would anyone call Richard Pryor a hero if he had to endure severe hardships to continue to do drugs after the richard-on-fire incident that almost killed him? It was a risky activity that he loved to do, and it almost killed him...
:lol +10
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And BTW I think there is a world of difference between this guy, and for example a military veteran missing a leg or two who comes back to run a marathon or something. Oor an oil rig worker who lost an arm on the job who figures out how to play baseball with his kids. Those stories inspire me.
I saw a picture on facebook of a Soldier who had a promise kept by someone very disliked by almost everyone but the Military...ex-president Gearge W Bush :aok He went running with him as soon as the Soldier could run again after losing a leg.....great inspiration in both people there.
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I saw a picture on facebook of a Soldier who had a promise kept by someone very disliked by almost everyone but the Military...ex-president Gearge W Bush :aok He went running with him as soon as the Soldier could run again after losing a leg.....great inspiration in both people there.
Not a Vet, but along the lines of overcoming some serious loss:
http://www.dontstopliving.org/index.html
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I don't do leisure activities that after a single unavoidable, unpredictable, yet entirely expected accident would make it so I couldn't care for my family.
Thats where your wrong though he did not expect this to happen to him im sure. I enjoy surfing, which is a leisure sport, so then by your logic I should expect to be attacked by a shark when I go surfing?
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Thats where your wrong though he did not expect this to happen to him im sure. I enjoy surfing, which is a leisure sport, so then by your logic I should expect to be attacked by a shark when I go surfing?
It's an invalid comparison, as you describe it. Do you routinely get almost eaten by a shark every time you go out?
Skiiers who do extreme jumps and other extreme skiing routinely wipe out, sometimes from great height. This is a normal consequence of their sporting activities. Skiiers who jump will fall on occasion. Sometimes those falls lead to severe injuries.
The surfing equivalent would be either routinely surfing those massive storm waves off of Australia, or surfing in an area where aggressive sharks are known to frequent, both of which would be considered highly risky activities whether or not you were getting paid for it.
Anyone else have another invalid comparison to offer? I'll offer a real comparison, wingsuit skydiving or wingsuit base jumping with ground skimming (whatever that's officially called). Imagine a guy who somehow manages to live after whacking the ground while flying a wingsuit, but is paralyzed. He then goes back up for another ground skimming wingsuit jump, this time while paralyzed. THAT would be a valid comparison, and I would have the exact same opinion about whether or not such an effort would be admirable or an example of what NOT to do.
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I'm sorry, but knowing what you are doing in parks, going on rails and off kickers isn't as dangerous as people make it out to be. I've seen far worse injuries from just on the regular runs, and I've spent almost every bit of time I can in the last 10-11 seasons on the terrain parks or bombing down runs. It seems like you see it the same way some moms won't let their kids play football, because she heard of this one kid on the news that broke his arm playing it.
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Skiiers who do extreme jumps and other extreme skiing routinely wipe out, sometimes from great height. This is a normal consequence of their sporting activities. Skiiers who jump will fall on occasion. Sometimes those falls lead to severe injuries.
I doubt that Sonny Bono was hanging massive airtime. Accidents happen.
You could get chair-bound walking across the street, or while ejecting from a fighter plane.
Admit it, you don't just do your job because it pays. You enjoy it.
So do skiers. Kudos to them.
:salute
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Eagl
I'm going to respectfully agree to disagree with you on this subject.
'Hero' is going a bit too far for this guy.
Big brass ones... I'll give him that.
Every man has to decide what he will or will not risk in life. He risked a ton to do what he enjoys. Perhaps you and others wouldn't and that's your decision based on where you are in life. Experience is a brutal and sometimes vicious teacher.
Say he's foolish and lives dangerously. I'll give you that. But I still admire the fact that he is pushing his limits despite his limitations.
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Good for him :aok
inspiring
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even if it was the one thing you live for in this world? you wouldnt try to keep doing it when hindered in such a way? we all have the one thing in our lives that as a hobby or as a love we do not want to live with. why is this different?
If that's all one has to live for... Life must be a terrible disappointment.
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If that's all one has to live for... Life must be a terrible disappointment.
That is signature-worthy!
-Penguin
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It's an invalid comparison, as you describe it. Do you routinely get almost eaten by a shark every time you go out?
Skiiers who do extreme jumps and other extreme skiing routinely wipe out, sometimes from great height. This is a normal consequence of their sporting activities. Skiiers who jump will fall on occasion. Sometimes those falls lead to severe injuries.
The surfing equivalent would be either routinely surfing those massive storm waves off of Australia, or surfing in an area where aggressive sharks are known to frequent, both of which would be considered highly risky activities whether or not you were getting paid for it.
Anyone else have another invalid comparison to offer? I'll offer a real comparison, wingsuit skydiving or wingsuit base jumping with ground skimming (whatever that's officially called). Imagine a guy who somehow manages to live after whacking the ground while flying a wingsuit, but is paralyzed. He then goes back up for another ground skimming wingsuit jump, this time while paralyzed. THAT would be a valid comparison, and I would have the exact same opinion about whether or not such an effort would be admirable or an example of what NOT to do.
I can see where your coming from because I too have been injured doing something I love (soccer, broke my leg still dont have full range back but still playing).
But at the same time I think a certain level of faith is required to do these things Im 5'7 110 pounds I do expect to get hurt playing against players that are 5'11-6'3 between 150 to 190 pounds but I never expected to break my leg. Maybe what Im trying to say is that yes you might expect to get hurt you just dont expect it to be as bad as it could be.
So agreeing to disagree as Dicho said.
:salute