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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tupac on February 14, 2012, 05:57:45 PM
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I'm seriously considering the army reserve for a few years. I was wondering how they felt about homeschoolers? I just dont want to show up to the recruiter and then have someone tell me to get bent because I didnt go to regular school.
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If you have a diploma or GED and scored well on the ASVAB, I don't see why you would have a problem.
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I dont have an actual diploma, but I'm grade 12 equivalent and should be done in April or May. Since I'm homeschooled I wont have an actual diploma, but I do have all of my completed work in a file cabinet that I can drag along with me if need be. I took a practice ASVAB and got a 71, so I dont think I would have any trouble on the real thing.
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As you sit across from your recruiter, know one thing is certain.
During your first weeks at basic training, you will curse his name and loathe his very existence.
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I was homeschooled and I have a diploma. Since you're from the great state of Texas like me, your homeschooling is considered a private school and your parents can/should issue a diploma. I forget though, but there is something they have to do for it to made "official." It has to be signed by someone but it's been a few years now and I can't remember.
But once you have it, it's generally better than having a diploma from a public school, as public education has gone down the drain. If you ever choose to go to college, a lot of them perfer homschooled kids over kids who attended public school.
Great choice by you and you parents :aok
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chaser I had no idea there was such a thing! My mom said she would investigate and find out what we need to do, thank you so much! Which part of Texas do you live in?
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You should be able to find out the answer to your question by simply calling a recruiter's office and asking.
I had heard that the Army was not accepting GED applicants but have no real info on it. Frankly, calling them is a good idea.
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Just call a recruiter and ask em. They'll be able to tell you. Also, there is a waiver for just about everything, so I bet you'd be good to go. No recruiter will tell you to "get bent" or anything that would make you feel that way. They get paid to be nice and every one of them that I've ever met have been genuinely good guys. :salute to you for thinking about it. You should do it. I promise you won't regret it.
Edit: Maverick beat me to the calling part. ;)
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like they told us on basic training, whatever the recruited told you he lied :D. but like everybody else said, call one, he/she will do anything he can to get you to sign up :salute.
semp
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Keep in mind that a significant number of folks in the 'stan are Guard and Reserves. Some units are on their 4th tour in less than 10 years. Not all of the unit may go at the time but I'd consider that you will get activated and sent overseas as a given. They are drawing down the forces right now but they will always need new recruits.
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I home school all my kids. ( ok that's a lie my wife homeschools the kids ) anyway you just take your last year at the local high school or most just do it online, as long as you pass you get a diploma. That's how we do it in AZ anyway.
Not sure if you can transfer and do just last semester might check that out.
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We were required to take the ASVAB in high school. Apparently I did good and had a damn marine recruiter all but sexually harassing me for all of 4 years. Im not sure but he may still call my moms house every few months or so. :furious
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Apparently I did good and had a damn marine recruiter all but sexually harassing me for all of 4 years.
That would have made a difference? Submit a feedback form :)
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We were required to take the ASVAB in high school. Apparently I did good and had a damn marine recruiter all but sexually harassing me for all of 4 years. Im not sure but he may still call my moms house every few months or so. :furious
not sure about where you live but we when i was in high schoool only seniors and juniors could take the asvab test as freshmen and sophomores would have to retake it anyway.
semp
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Buy an ASVAB study book and study study study it. You can do better then a 71.
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chaser I had no idea there was such a thing! My mom said she would investigate and find out what we need to do, thank you so much! Which part of Texas do you live in?
I'll be seeing my mom tomorrow and I'll get some info from her and PM you what I find out.
And I live in Wichita Falls :banana:
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No recruiter will tell you to "get bent" or anything that would make you feel that way.
I had an Air Force recruiter basically tell me that when he found out I had a GED. Until after I took the ASVAB. Then the love muffin had the nerve to call asking if I was still interested in enlisting in the AF.
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Tupac Do Not go army reserve you will hate life. Join the Texas National Guard and you will not be deployed as much if any. Holler at me if you need the info I still have some contacts in the guard.
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My brother is a recruiter in the Army now, I'll ask him tomorrow.
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I'll be seeing my mom tomorrow and I'll get some info from her and PM you what I find out.
And I live in Wichita Falls :banana:
That would be great!
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Pretty sure that minus HS Diploma, you must also have college (15hr last I checked, that option may have since been removed). TXNG still allows GED only -I'm pretty sure!
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Pretty sure that minus HS Diploma, you must also have college (15hr last I checked, that option may have since been removed). TXNG still allows GED only -I'm pretty sure!
I will have completed HS, just not at a public school.
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Buy an ASVAB study book and study study study it. You can do better then a 71.
Not sure you need a book. Went in half hung over, finished in 45 minutes and scored... well :) you can do it!
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Glad to see people still thinking about joining. Your recruiter gets this thing called an NCOER, if he doesn't get the set amount of new recruits...he gets less then a 11. Now the Army is currently downsizing by 40,000 troops but I'm not sure how that will effect reserve components. Reserve units have started to deploy a bit more recently because of the active divisions going 1 year home 1 in the box the last 10 years.... But Afghanistan ain't that bad so don't worry about that ;). Your 71 doesn't truly matter at this point, the score that actually matters is your GT score, with a 110 GT score you can get most jobs in the Army. Reserve and Nasty Girls are all the same....part time Soldiers even if they work active NG or active reserve. They are currently not giving waivers to get in the Army, recruiters have the shame life when the army downsized. Sorry I'm using my iPod on wifi here in Afghanistan so this paragraph was mainly just hitting points I had read through the thread....oh and any mos is good but if your a real man you will go 11b then get your Ranger on. ;)
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Couple of points.
Under no circumstances do you want to walk into a recruiting office with a 70ish gt score. You will be cannon fodder for the recruiter. Meaning, you will have three or four options and they will include cook. Study study study. If you have a 110 or higher as stated above you are free to pick better jobs.
Secondly, I would look into the reserve units in your area. You have to be able to get to them and sometimes they are not the kinds of units that may interest you.
Thirdly, get the army to train you in a career you can apply in the civilian world.
Who am I, currently sitting at 20 years in. I started as a private in the airborne infantry. I did that because it is the family business as it were. It is tough to say I would go back and do things differently but I am also in a different place in my life. When I was young there was nothin cooler than a 141 mass tac and a live fire. I have been very fortunate to have gone on to being an officer and to further get into the engineering career field so now I actually have some skills that are applicable to the outside world.
What all this means. I know you are young. But, you have to take a brief glimpse of yourself ten years from now. Do you want to have a degree? Do you think you might want a family? Why the reserves vs active vs guard? What would you enjoy doing as a profession? I have always joked that I should have signed up to be an X-ray tech.....
A an rate, thanks for considering the military and remember that it is your butt not the recruiters.
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like they told us on basic training, whatever the recruited told you he lied :D. but like everybody else said, call one, he/she will do anything he can to get you to sign up :salute.
semp
I'd believe that. I know of some young Irish guys visiting the US on a student visa being approached by recruiters. When they finally got a word in edgeways and explained they didn't have a green card. The reply was 'No problem'. I heard of one guy who went through the whole selection process with that promise only to be told that a J1 visa was no good.
That's a pity, with army in this country not recruiting there are a lot of guys here who join the US military if they could. As it is they go and join the Irish regiments of the British army and the Royal Marines.
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Ahhh the hours sitting at green ramp waiting in the rain or the cold, waiting on birds that were late or broken. And haveing to pee while chuted up, Good times!
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The practice test I took only bad 100 questions, so it was impossible for me to get a 110.
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I got me a 98 on my ASVAB. My stupid probation officer wouldn't sign me over to the Military though (they funding if I'm not on their books), so I wasn't able to enlist. Now probation served record expunged, I have no more desire to enlist.
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11b. whatever you do, DO NOT go 19D............ no offense to any scouts on here, the unit that just showed up at my FOB is retarted.. and they are a "HHT" for a scout unit.
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I'm seriously considering the army reserve for a few years. I was wondering how they felt about homeschoolers? I just dont want to show up to the recruiter and then have someone tell me to get bent because I didnt go to regular school.
OK, we are looking you don't worry. What ever you do, do not call them. just ask here :old:
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... retarted..
Awesome.....
bob
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They won't care if you go to Homeschool High.
Neither will most state universities.
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When you want to send the very best 19K
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It has been a few years since I was a recruiter, but as I recall there was a test you could take, provided by the state, at cost to you (of course), which the Army recognizes as a high school deploma. This is not the GED, but something else. TxMom was also right, 15 credit hours of college also qualifies you as a high school grad. In recruiting your "GT" score means nothing, that is important when you pick your job , called MOS, and while you are in the Army. The score which is important in recruiting is your QT. The QT ranges from 1 to 99, 99 being the best. Recruiters has a practice version which will predict, somewhat, what your actual QT will be. Any score over 50 is considered good, anything over that will only open more jobs to you.
The Reserves are a good bet as is the National Guard, I chose the regular Army and it has worked out well for me. It does not matter which you choose, plan on deploying, the chances are you will. Remember, the Army is a job, there will be days you hate it and there will be days you love it. Another thing to keep in mind, the Army's job is national security, every thing it does is geared towards that, even the room inspections / GI parties; national security does not stop because you want to take a break.
I was a recruiter from 03 to 05, so a lot has changed. If you want the most up to date info call a recruiter. If you have more questions ask, I will answer to the best of my ability.
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It has been a few years since I was a recruiter, but as I recall there was a test you could take, provided by the state, at cost to you (of course), which the Army recognizes as a high school deploma. This is not the GED, but something else. TxMom was also right, 15 credit hours of college also qualifies you as a high school grad. In recruiting your "GT" score means nothing, that is important when you pick your job , called MOS, and while you are in the Army. The score which is important in recruiting is your QT. The QT ranges from 1 to 99, 99 being the best. Recruiters has a practice version which will predict, somewhat, what your actual QT will be. Any score over 50 is considered good, anything over that will only open more jobs to you.
The Reserves are a good bet as is the National Guard, I chose the regular Army and it has worked out well for me. It does not matter which you choose, plan on deploying, the chances are you will. Remember, the Army is a job, there will be days you hate it and there will be days you love it. Another thing to keep in mind, the Army's job is national security, every thing it does is geared towards that, even the room inspections / GI parties; national security does not stop because you want to take a break.
I was a recruiter from 03 to 05, so a lot has changed. If you want the most up to date info call a recruiter. If you have more questions ask, I will answer to the best of my ability.
I went down to the recruiter today and took a practice QT, I got a 74. He said usually people score 8 points higher on the real test.
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He was right but only if they score over a fifty. With a QT in the high 70s to low 80s you should qualify for most of the jobs the Army has. I am currious about what he said about home schooling, like I said it has been a long time. Best of luck to you.
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He said as long as I have a homeschool diploma its fine
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Good to go, good luck, look for a job you want and enjoy your time in.
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I'm still trying to convince my dad. He was never in the military but wont let me go in unless I'm an officer.
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Definitely shouldnt have talked to my dad. He's on the warpath now.
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Definitely shouldnt have talked to my dad. He's on the warpath now.
Sounds like he is a smart guy.
Yes, we are still looking at you btw
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Sounds like he is a smart guy.
Yes, we are still looking at you btw
He is smart but he also grew up in the 60s and almost got drafted in Vietnam. He thinks that everyone who goes in enlisted has a death wish, he doestn realize its different.
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Also you can stop looking at me :D
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There are a couple ways to get there:
1. Apply for a ROTC scholarship and then go to school, the full rides are the hardest to get.
2. Enlist in the reserves, get the post 9/11 GI bill, go to school and join ROTC (I do not know much about how this works).
3. Enlist Regular Army, then apply for "Green to Gold". The Army releases you from your contract, sends you to school on a full ride ROTC scholarship, and you can use the post 9/11 GI Bill. This happens only if you are accepted.
4. Enlist, serve some time, build yourself as a Soldier and be recognized by your leadership, you can apply to West Point. It is possible and there are slots every year but challenging to say the least.
5. Enlist reserves, guard or regular, knock out 90(?) credit hours and then apply for Officer Canidate School. This is the most common method for enlisted Soldiers to become officers.
I am sure the guard and reserves have other programs but I am not as familiar with them.
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Officers= middle management up to ceo level.
Enlisted (earn their pay check, hehe sorry DirtDart had to throw that one in, sir) start as workers, build to supervisors and then advisors to the officers (where I am as a First Sergeant). For me, i like working with, teaching, coaching and mentoring young Soldiers and Officers.
I like being where the rubber meets the road, so to speak.
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He is smart but he also grew up in the 60s and almost got drafted in Vietnam. He thinks that everyone who goes in enlisted has a death wish, he doestn realize its different.
How is it different? I think this is a case where you think you know better but you really don't. Bullets still kill the same way if not better.
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If you choose the military path, I would suggest going the route of going to university and having the military help pay for it by being a part of it. Then at least you can be assured that when you get out, you have more career options in civilian life. It is true that military can train you for something that will translate to a civilian job later in life, but don't forget the military could also train you to do something with very limited civilian usefulness.
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Officers= middle management up to ceo level.
Enlisted (earn their pay check, hehe sorry DirtDart had to throw that one in, sir) start as workers, build to supervisors and then advisors to the officers (where I am as a First Sergeant). For me, i like working with, teaching, coaching and mentoring young Soldiers and Officers.
I like being where the rubber meets the road, so to speak.
Don't worry about the good Officers having thin skins there Tom. Some of us had the very good luck to get some good info from senior NCO's while either a cadet and or as a snot nose LT. My last Bn Cmdr (from the yell loud, often and in public school of leadership) got a bit miffed at me when I sent all my Plt Ldrs to school. I could run my Company with my NCO's but not without them. Officers may direct what happens but it's the NCO's that make it happen and can (often do!) fill that Officers slot at the worst possible times.
The best friend a young Plt Ldr has is that E6 or E7 Plt Sgt. He may not know it, but if he cleans the wax outa his ears and stops to listen to that NCO, the snot nosed LT can learn how much he didn't know he didn't leatn in school. I also learned that at times the best friend a Company Cmdr. can have is a nasty, crude, crusty E-8 First Sgt that hates Officers. Today he's a retired CSM and still one of my best buddies. The letter he wrote me when I left command is one of the very few things I kept from that time. Every recognition I got that mattered came from my NCO's, God love 'em.
Officers come and go but the NCO makes the service work.
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Tupac there are advantages to being enlisted and an officer, I retired as a First Sargent and trained many an officer from platoon leader as his gunner and as there platoon Sargent. Some expanded there horizon and learned from me and some (the ring knockers) knew it all because West Point said they were Gods. The one bad side to being an officer is that you have to get great evals and get promoted, if you don't you are kicked out and they never stay in 1 position long enough to really Know the job. Give me a toejam-head officer and I'll show you a 1001 way to ruin his career, give me a officer that wants to learn and he will be the division commanders aid in 2 years (that happened twice). Just let your father calm down you wont change his mind.
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You need either a high school diploma or a GED.
You are not officer material. You are enlisted material. Forget OCS.
I suggest you go to MEPS first and get a wiff of what the military is like. Get the "ok" and then sit on it for awhile. If you are accepted pick a job available that YOU want to do. Don't get roped in to doing something you have no interest in doing.
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Lol tom... hey man, I was a promotable Staff Sergeant when I went to OCS. I also very lucky to have had troop posting for twenty years now as well.
My dad wanted me to be an officer as well. He left the army as a major, my grandfathers were both officers, one a Navy Captain. SO I feel your pain. He presented me with a 1933 model 1911 on commissioning day, a gun I had shot since it could fit in my hands. He just never would give me an award like that until I was a LT.
Here is the bottom line. If you cannot afford college, you cannot be an officer. If you are interested, places like New Mexico Military Institute will commission you under a two year junior college program, if you want it fast. In all seriousness, though, if I could rewind my life I would have enlisted out of high school, gotten the crazy crap out of my system with a three year hitch, then excelled in college.
Here are things the Army has done for me:
Given me a level of self esteem and professional recognition that I cannot imagine an equal in the civilian world.
Given me a chance to do things a handful of people have done in their lives.
Given me something, that no matter what, I can "go to my forefathers and whose mighty company I will feel no shame"
I can understand you fathers troubles. I agree with him. I do not want my son to serve in the military. My family has been doing this job for nearly 100 years. It is time for someone in my family to end up as something other than a pawn.
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He is smart but he also grew up in the 60s and almost got drafted in Vietnam. He thinks that everyone who goes in enlisted has a death wish, he doestn realize its different.
Tup.. give him a little time to get used to the idea. I think the Army would be a great thing for you.
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You need either a high school diploma or a GED.
You are not officer material. You are enlisted material. Forget OCS.
I suggest you go to MEPS first and get a wiff of what the military is like. Get the "ok" and then sit on it for awhile. If you are accepted pick a job available that YOU want to do. Don't get roped in to doing something you have no interest in doing.
Wow, I would have never thought of him as " not officer material." MEPS doesn't give you a wiff of what the military is like. SmokinLoon, indeed.
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Definitely shouldnt have talked to my dad. He's on the warpath now.
Darn, there's that parental advice based on decades of life experience and love for you. That totally sucks having someone urge you to set your sights a bit higher. :old:
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He is smart but he also grew up in the 60s and almost got drafted in Vietnam. He thinks that everyone who goes in enlisted has a death wish, he doestn realize its different.
It isn't different. Except now instead of dying, they come back alive but missing multiple limbs, suffering other disfigurement, or with barely diagnoseable brain trauma that will haunt them for the rest of their life.
Iraq and Afghanistan would have undoubtedly surpassed the Vietnam casualty count for US soldiers, if it wasn't for huge advances in battlefield medicine and PPE. But as the DC beancounters are discovering, that simply means you have tens of thousands of wounded returning to the states requiring a lifetime of care.
Yea, it's different. Now you only buy a piece of the farm instead of the whole thing. The casualty count is still high and with the number of repeat deployments since our all-volunteer force stays in long enough to go back a few times instead of being drafted and serving only one tour, the chances of getting wounded is still pretty darn high. Don't fool yourself... Read up on the stories of the guys who died or even made it back alive but badly wounded, and see how many of them were on their second, third, fourth, or higher repeat tour.
I've been "over there" 4 times in my 17+ year career, and I was in training command for half of that time.
And oh yea, the're looking at dramatically restructuring the entire benefits package for military members because we're too expensive. Giving 24 years of your life and surviving 3 or more wars is apparently not enough to justify a pension and medical care for life, because it's too expensive. Your generation gets to deal with that, and it's going to lead to a smaller military compensation package in the form of lower pay, fewer bonuses, slimmer (or eliminated) pension, and a much more expensive medical benefit even if you suffer injuries on duty.
Yea, it's different than how it was for your Dad...
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Darn, there's that parental advice based on decades of life experience and love for you. That totally sucks having someone urge you to set your sights a bit higher. :old:
I think I'm going to wait until after I get out of college and then decide if I want to go in the reserve or not.
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I dont know if this was mentioned or not but at least in USAF you can have a GED but you also have to have 15 hours college credit to boot. This if you dont have a regular HS diploma. Im sure the army is no different.
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I think I'm going to wait until after I get out of college and then decide if I want to go in the reserve or not.
That's smart. My primary advice about college is in 2 parts.
1. Get a degree in something that will earn you money. Meaning there are jobs looking for that specific are of expertise. This does not guarantee you high pay on graduation, but (for example) a degree in engineering is almost certainly going to get you more real job interviews than a degree in multi-cultural understanding or "artistic communication".
2. Do NOT under ANY circumstances go into debt to pay for a degree that does not have a guaranteed payout. Listening to Dave Ramsey's show today, he had a caller who had $80,000 in student loans for an uncompleted degree in journalism. Oops. Even if she'd completed her degree, any entry level job for a journalism major could take a decade or more to pay off that loan. If you have a company willing to sponsor you through college and you have a job with them already (think internship at a tech firm or something like that), then yea get a student loan. If not, get a part-time job (or more than one), apply for every scholarship and grant program in the country, get your parents to GIVE you money to help (you really don't want a loan from your parents trust me), and work your way through college the old fashion way.
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Don't worry about the good Officers having thin skins there Tom. Some of us had the very good luck to get some good info from senior NCO's while either a cadet and or as a snot nose LT. My last Bn Cmdr (from the yell loud, often and in public school of leadership) got a bit miffed at me when I sent all my Plt Ldrs to school. I could run my Company with my NCO's but not without them. Officers may direct what happens but it's the NCO's that make it happen and can (often do!) fill that Officers slot at the worst possible times.
The best friend a young Plt Ldr has is that E6 or E7 Plt Sgt. He may not know it, but if he cleans the wax outa his ears and stops to listen to that NCO, the snot nosed LT can learn how much he didn't know he didn't leatn in school. I also learned that at times the best friend a Company Cmdr. can have is a nasty, crude, crusty E-8 First Sgt that hates Officers. Today he's a retired CSM and still one of my best buddies. The letter he wrote me when I left command is one of the very few things I kept from that time. Every recognition I got that mattered came from my NCO's, God love 'em.
Officers come and go but the NCO makes the service work.
I knew DirtDart is an officer, he was the only one I knew for sure. I threw it in there as a friendly barb knowing he was prior service. I too have had my share of bone head Lieutenants as well as the ones who wanted to learn. I love the enlisted side of the Army. I came from a long line of officers but decided to put a little mud in the blood (so to speak) and serve out my career as enlisted. It has been rewarding teaching and guiding Soldiers and Officers to where they need to be.
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Awesome.....
bob
that's exactly what i was going for... lol
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Well eagl, I think your stats are a bit off, seeing as how in 10 years in Vietnam 59,000 ish men and women were killed. Ten years in Afghanistan, the numbers of wounded and killed are no where near that.
Yes, advances in PPE have made some events survivable, which certainly in the past would not have been survivable. I reckon the guy with no legs, who volunteered to serve by the way, would be happy to see a kid get married rather than be pushing up daisies. I agree that the cost of lifetime care is staggering. I also agree that nothing about a pension or benefits is secure. I talked to my wife the other day about the prospect of working until the day I die because my pension from the military may not happen if we keep pitching budgets that are 1/3 greater than GDP. I also dislike volunteering to fight and win my nations wars, then end up coddling cultures that are barely out of medieval times. It used to drive me nuts to have to work with XXXXX country army, watch them do things that we find morally disagreeable, and watch them squander the gift of security and treasure. Especially when I drive over interstate bridges in the US that are on the verge of falling apart. I was very lucky as a Company Commander years back in XXXXX, XXXXXX in that roughly 30% of my company was awarded purple hearts and I did not have to write any letters home. I talked to a lot of fathers and mothers at the CASH, but thankfully not from the morgue.
SO what does all of this mean. Well, I have come to terms with being a chess piece. One of the reasons I went to OCS was to take care of Soldiers. I was on staff duty one evening and the CSM came up to me and asked if I was going to drop another packet. I had already been turned down twice because I did not have a four year degree. I made SSG wicked fast, was the 82ND ABN DIV NCO of the Quarter, and was my Brigade Nominee for the Audie Murphy. I said, well CSM, F them, I am going to be the SMA. He laughed and said, I want you to think about this, the Colonel still has to sign my leave form, and off he went. So all night, I puzzle on this cryptic BS message this 33 year, hamburger hill vet dumped on me. I reckoned he meant, that no matter what as an NCO you are never dad. He was right. I do regret the decision to go to OCS is many ways. Two of the guys that were PVTs when I was a young SGT are 1SGs right now. I often wonder where I would have ended up.
I am bummed it did not work out linking up with Tom when I was out at NTC.
Well, "Tupac" you have pages full of advice and discussion. When I entered the military I was an immature drunk. My parents had provided with me everything I needed as a kid, I just was too busy being pissed off at the world to understand it. Being a Private in the Infantry sort of cured all of that. Going to some of the schools I have been to has made me understand who I am to a degree most Americans will never understand about themselves. If you take away the notion of service to your country and look at the job as a profession that is a challenge, see if it is what you want. Not many are inclined to do it. I wake up every weekday at 0420. I do PT from 0530 to 0630. I get home at 1700-1800. When I was an OC I worked three weeks straight, then four days off, then three weeks straight again and again for two years. The job is not for everyone.
eagl is spot on when it comes to degrees. Suck it up and get a technical degree. I have a Masters in Geological Engineering, I am certain I can find a job in that field when I leave the Army. My undergrad is in History, no way in hell I am doing anything with that degree than being good at trivial pursuit or impressing you Captains with my command of random historical knowledge.....
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Wow, I would have never thought of him as " not officer material." MEPS doesn't give you a wiff of what the military is like. SmokinLoon, indeed.
MEPS is a lot of shuffling around, waiting in lines, walking through assembly lines where the tenders don't care and don't want to know but only to do their job, listening to someone bark orders, etc. It isn't a "true" feeling, you're correct. But there is a feeling of "I'm not in Kansas anymore." It does give the absolute "never been away from home" types a small whiff of what the military is going to bring on a macro level.
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I think I'm going to wait until after I get out of college and then decide if I want to go in the reserve or not.
;) See what I mean? You never intended to join anything did you. :lol
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MEPS is a lot of shuffling around, waiting in lines, walking through assembly lines where the tenders don't care and don't want to know but only to do their job, listening to someone bark orders, etc. It isn't a "true" feeling, you're correct. But there is a feeling of "I'm not in Kansas anymore." It does give the absolute "never been away from home" types a small whiff of what the military is going to bring on a macro level.
Yeah, I had a full understanding of MEPS before I made the remark.
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Dirtdart,
I don't have exact numbers... I was thinking along the lines of the same order of magnitude, being tens of thousands of wounded and "merely" a couple thousand dead between Iraqistan and Afghaniland, despite it being a different sort of war fought with different tactics and weapons, against an enemy that does not have a peer sponsor like N. Vietnam had. Even with no modern sponsor opposing the US, the human cost has been staggering on both sides.
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I went down to the recruiter today and took a practice QT, I got a 74. He said usually people score 8 points higher on the real test.
They already talked you down and into the office, eh? :D
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A 71 on your asvab can get you a good job in the Air Force. I scored about a 70 on my asvab and now I manage networks in the Air Force which is a pretty chill job. FYI not knocking the Army or anything but you can have a real relaxing time in the Air Force while still serving your country.