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Offline Tom5572

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Re: Any recruiters here?
« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2012, 02:16:06 PM »
Officers= middle management up to ceo level.

Enlisted (earn their pay check, hehe sorry DirtDart had to throw that one in, sir) start as workers, build to supervisors and then advisors to the officers (where I am as a First Sergeant). For me, i like working with, teaching, coaching and mentoring young Soldiers and Officers.

I like being where the rubber meets the road, so to speak.
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Re: Any recruiters here?
« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2012, 02:17:29 PM »
He is smart but he also grew up in the 60s and almost got drafted in Vietnam. He thinks that everyone who goes in enlisted has a death wish, he doestn realize its different.

How is it different?  I think this is a case where you think you know better but you really don't.  Bullets still kill the same way if not better.

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« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2012, 02:26:28 PM »
If you choose the military path, I would suggest going the route of going to university and having the military help pay for it by being a part of it. Then at least you can be assured that when you get out, you have more career options in civilian life. It is true that military can train you for something that will translate to a civilian job later in life, but don't forget the military could also train you to do something with very limited civilian usefulness.
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Re: Any recruiters here?
« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2012, 03:44:35 PM »
Officers= middle management up to ceo level.

Enlisted (earn their pay check, hehe sorry DirtDart had to throw that one in, sir) start as workers, build to supervisors and then advisors to the officers (where I am as a First Sergeant). For me, i like working with, teaching, coaching and mentoring young Soldiers and Officers.

I like being where the rubber meets the road, so to speak.

Don't worry about the good Officers having thin skins there Tom. Some of us had the very good luck to get some good info from senior NCO's while either a cadet and or as a snot nose LT. My last Bn Cmdr (from the yell loud, often and in public school of leadership) got a bit miffed at me when I sent all my Plt Ldrs to school. I could run my Company with my NCO's but not without them. Officers may direct what happens but it's the NCO's that make it happen and can (often do!) fill that Officers slot at the worst possible times.

The best friend a young Plt Ldr has is that E6 or E7 Plt Sgt. He may not know it, but if he cleans the wax outa his ears and stops to listen to that NCO, the snot nosed LT can learn how much he didn't know he didn't leatn in school. I also learned that at times the best friend a Company Cmdr. can have is a nasty, crude, crusty E-8 First Sgt that hates Officers. Today he's a retired CSM and still one of my best buddies. The letter he wrote me when I left command is one of the very few things I kept from that time. Every recognition I got that mattered came from my NCO's, God love 'em.

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Re: Any recruiters here?
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2012, 04:34:28 PM »
Tupac there are advantages to being enlisted and an officer, I retired as a First Sargent and trained many an officer from platoon leader as his gunner and as there platoon Sargent. Some expanded there horizon and learned from me and some (the ring knockers) knew it all because West Point said they were Gods. The one bad side to being an officer is that you have to get great evals and get promoted, if you don't you are kicked out and they never stay in 1 position long enough to really Know the job. Give me a toejam-head officer and I'll show you a 1001 way to ruin his career, give me a officer that wants to learn and he will be the division commanders aid in 2 years (that happened twice). Just let your father calm down you wont change his mind.
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« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2012, 05:09:03 PM »
You need either a high school diploma or a GED. 

You are not officer material.  You are enlisted material.  Forget OCS. 

I suggest you go to MEPS first and get a wiff of what the military is like.  Get the "ok" and then sit on it for awhile.  If you are accepted pick a job available that YOU want to do.  Don't get roped in to doing something you have no interest in doing. 
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« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2012, 05:47:01 PM »
Lol tom... hey man, I was a promotable Staff Sergeant when I went to OCS.  I also very lucky to have had troop posting for twenty years now as well.

My dad wanted me to be an officer as well.  He left the army as a major, my grandfathers were both officers, one a Navy Captain.  SO I feel your pain.  He presented me with a 1933 model 1911 on commissioning day, a gun I had shot since it could fit in my hands.  He just never would give me an award like that until I was a LT. 

Here is the bottom line.  If you cannot afford college, you cannot be an officer.  If you are interested, places like New Mexico Military Institute will commission you under a two year junior college program, if you want it fast.  In all seriousness, though, if I could rewind my life I would have enlisted out of high school, gotten the crazy crap out of my system with a three year hitch, then excelled in college. 

Here are things the Army has done for me:

Given me a level of self esteem and professional recognition that I cannot imagine an equal in the civilian world. 
Given me a chance to do things a handful of people have done in their lives.
Given me something, that no matter what, I can "go to my forefathers and whose mighty company I will feel no shame"

I can understand you fathers troubles.  I agree with him.  I do not want my son to serve in the military.  My family has been doing this job for nearly 100 years.  It is time for someone in my family to end up as something other than a pawn. 
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Re: Any recruiters here?
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2012, 05:55:34 PM »
He is smart but he also grew up in the 60s and almost got drafted in Vietnam. He thinks that everyone who goes in enlisted has a death wish, he doestn realize its different.

Tup.. give him a little time to get used to the idea.  I think the Army would be a great thing for you.
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« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2012, 06:41:31 PM »
You need either a high school diploma or a GED.  

You are not officer material.  You are enlisted material.  Forget OCS.  

I suggest you go to MEPS first and get a wiff of what the military is like.  Get the "ok" and then sit on it for awhile.  If you are accepted pick a job available that YOU want to do.  Don't get roped in to doing something you have no interest in doing.  

Wow, I would have never thought of him as " not officer material."  MEPS doesn't give you a  wiff of what the military is like.  SmokinLoon, indeed.
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« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2012, 09:06:47 PM »
Definitely shouldnt have talked to my dad. He's on the warpath now.

Darn, there's that parental advice based on decades of life experience and love for you.  That totally sucks having someone urge you to set your sights a bit higher.   :old: 
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« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2012, 09:14:51 PM »
He is smart but he also grew up in the 60s and almost got drafted in Vietnam. He thinks that everyone who goes in enlisted has a death wish, he doestn realize its different.

It isn't different.  Except now instead of dying, they come back alive but missing multiple limbs, suffering other disfigurement, or with barely diagnoseable brain trauma that will haunt them for the rest of their life.

Iraq and Afghanistan would have undoubtedly surpassed the Vietnam casualty count for US soldiers, if it wasn't for huge advances in battlefield medicine and PPE.  But as the DC beancounters are discovering, that simply means you have tens of thousands of wounded returning to the states requiring a lifetime of care.

Yea, it's different.  Now you only buy a piece of the farm instead of the whole thing.  The casualty count is still high and with the number of repeat deployments since our all-volunteer force stays in long enough to go back a few times instead of being drafted and serving only one tour, the chances of getting wounded is still pretty darn high.  Don't fool yourself...  Read up on the stories of the guys who died or even made it back alive but badly wounded, and see how many of them were on their second, third, fourth, or higher repeat tour. 

I've been "over there" 4 times in my 17+ year career, and I was in training command for half of that time.

And oh yea, the're looking at dramatically restructuring the entire benefits package for military members because we're too expensive.  Giving 24 years of your life and surviving 3 or more wars is apparently not enough to justify a pension and medical care for life, because it's too expensive.  Your generation gets to deal with that, and it's going to lead to a smaller military compensation package in the form of lower pay, fewer bonuses, slimmer (or eliminated) pension, and a much more expensive medical benefit even if you suffer injuries on duty. 

Yea, it's different than how it was for your Dad...
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« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2012, 09:15:28 PM »
Darn, there's that parental advice based on decades of life experience and love for you.  That totally sucks having someone urge you to set your sights a bit higher.   :old: 

I think I'm going to wait until after I get out of college and then decide if I want to go in the reserve or not.
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« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2012, 09:23:24 PM »
I dont know if this was mentioned or not but at least in USAF you can have a GED but you also have to have 15 hours college credit to boot. This if you dont have a regular HS diploma. Im sure the army is no different.
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« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2012, 09:25:11 PM »
I think I'm going to wait until after I get out of college and then decide if I want to go in the reserve or not.

That's smart.  My primary advice about college is in 2 parts.

1.  Get a degree in something that will earn you money.  Meaning there are jobs looking for that specific are of expertise.  This does not guarantee you high pay on graduation, but (for example) a degree in engineering is almost certainly going to get you more real job interviews than a degree in multi-cultural understanding or "artistic communication".

2.  Do NOT under ANY circumstances go into debt to pay for a degree that does not have a guaranteed payout.  Listening to Dave Ramsey's show today, he had a caller who had $80,000 in student loans for an uncompleted degree in journalism.  Oops.  Even if she'd completed her degree, any entry level job for a journalism major could take a decade or more to pay off that loan.  If you have a company willing to sponsor you through college and you have a job with them already (think internship at a tech firm or something like that), then yea get a student loan.  If not, get a part-time job (or more than one), apply for every scholarship and grant program in the country, get your parents to GIVE you money to help (you really don't want a loan from your parents trust me), and work your way through college the old fashion way.
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« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2012, 09:57:11 PM »
Don't worry about the good Officers having thin skins there Tom. Some of us had the very good luck to get some good info from senior NCO's while either a cadet and or as a snot nose LT. My last Bn Cmdr (from the yell loud, often and in public school of leadership) got a bit miffed at me when I sent all my Plt Ldrs to school. I could run my Company with my NCO's but not without them. Officers may direct what happens but it's the NCO's that make it happen and can (often do!) fill that Officers slot at the worst possible times.

The best friend a young Plt Ldr has is that E6 or E7 Plt Sgt. He may not know it, but if he cleans the wax outa his ears and stops to listen to that NCO, the snot nosed LT can learn how much he didn't know he didn't leatn in school. I also learned that at times the best friend a Company Cmdr. can have is a nasty, crude, crusty E-8 First Sgt that hates Officers. Today he's a retired CSM and still one of my best buddies. The letter he wrote me when I left command is one of the very few things I kept from that time. Every recognition I got that mattered came from my NCO's, God love 'em.

Officers come and go but the NCO makes the service work.

I knew DirtDart is an officer, he was the only one I knew for sure.  I threw it in there as a friendly barb knowing he was prior service.  I too have had my share of bone head Lieutenants as well as the ones who wanted to learn.  I love the enlisted side of the Army.  I came from a long line of officers but decided to put a little mud in the blood (so to speak) and serve out my career as enlisted.  It has been rewarding teaching and guiding Soldiers and Officers to where they need to be. 

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