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Title: Bat Bombs
Post by: Nathan60 on February 15, 2012, 12:10:04 PM
Bat bombs were bomb-shaped casings with numerous compartments, each containing a Mexican Free-tailed Bat with a small timed incendiary bomb attached. Dropped from a bomber at dawn, the casings would deploy a parachute in mid-flight and open to release the bats which would then roost in eaves and attics. The incendiaries would start fires in inaccessible places in the largely wood and paper construction of the Japanese cities that were the weapon's intended target.

Developed by the United States during World War II, four biological factors gave promise to this plan. First, bats occur in large numbers (four caves in Texas are each occupied by several million bats). Second, bats can carry more than their own weight in flight (females carry their young—sometimes twins). Third, bats hibernate, and while dormant they do not require food or maintenance. Fourth, bats fly in darkness, then find secluded places (often in buildings) to hide during daylight.

The plan was to release bat bombs over Japanese cities having widely-dispersed industrial targets. The bats would spread far from the point of release due to the relatively high altitude of their release, then at dawn they would hide in buildings across the city. Shortly thereafter built-in timers would ignite the bombs, causing widespread fires and chaos. The bat bomb idea was conceived by dental surgeon Lytle S. Adams, who submitted it to the White House in January 1942, where it was subsequently approved by President Roosevelt.[1] Adams was recruited to research and obtain a suitable supply of bats.


DWMW
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: FLOTSOM on February 15, 2012, 12:12:32 PM
All Praise DW!!!!  :pray

your a little late with this one, look up the thread firebombs....good try though, KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Rob52240 on February 15, 2012, 12:14:11 PM
LoL

Look up the USS Habekuk too.  Both were amazing ideas that never got implemented but they were both featured on the weird weapons of the allies documentary.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: MAINER on February 15, 2012, 12:20:13 PM
+1 long live David Wales!
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: caldera on February 15, 2012, 12:23:19 PM
That actually would have worked.  A mock up "Japanese" village was built to test the bat bombs and the whole thing burned to the ground.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Rob52240 on February 15, 2012, 12:27:03 PM
That actually would have worked.  A mock up "Japanese" village was built to test the bat bombs and the whole thing burned to the ground.

Some bats also escaped and burned down a hanger too.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: FLS on February 15, 2012, 12:31:53 PM
Pity they turned out to be homing bats.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: BrockS on February 15, 2012, 12:47:28 PM
When the bats were dropped from an aircraft their wings broke when they hit the airstream and the now flightless creatures plummeted to earth.

Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Nathan60 on February 15, 2012, 01:09:08 PM
When the bats were dropped from an aircraft their wings broke when they hit the airstream and the now flightless creatures plummeted to earth.



they still 'sploded right?
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: FLOTSOM on February 15, 2012, 01:20:31 PM
Pity they turned out to be homing bats.

thats kinda rude!!! who cares if the bats were gay or not, as long as they 'sploded on Q!
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: BrockS on February 15, 2012, 01:23:02 PM
they still 'sploded right?

The origional intent was for them to find a dark place in a structure to roost and then a timed incediary device would ignite the buildings (mostly paper in Japan) on fire. If they just fell straight to earth, there is no reason to go through the trouble of capturing bats and attaching devices.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: caldera on February 15, 2012, 01:31:32 PM
When the bats were dropped from an aircraft their wings broke when they hit the airstream and the now flightless creatures plummeted to earth.




Not quite.  Where did you come up with this?
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: BrockS on February 15, 2012, 01:35:35 PM

Not quite.  Where did you come up with this?

An instructor I had who was a bomber pilot in WWII and involved in the testing in some capacity I can't recall at the moment.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Nathan60 on February 15, 2012, 01:36:45 PM
The origional intent was for them to find a dark place in a structure to roost and then a timed incediary device would ignite the buildings (mostly paper in Japan) on fire. If they just fell straight to earth, there is no reason to go through the trouble of capturing bats and attaching devices.


Why didnt they just drop bombs then? I think they had bombs that did the same thing as a bat with a zippo strapped to its a55.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: BrockS on February 15, 2012, 01:41:59 PM

Why didnt they just drop bombs then? I think they had bombs that did the say thing as a bat with a zippo strapped to its a55.

Because the bats would dispers into a much wider area and reduce calateral human casualties to the civilian population.

And to clarify, after the initial tests just dropping the bats for the planes as/is and encountering the boken wings problem new testing took place dropping them out of the aircraft in canisters and the testing of the new system, while it may have been successful, delayed developement to the extent that it was deemed not worth pursuing any further.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 15, 2012, 01:44:11 PM
When the bats were dropped from an aircraft their wings broke when they hit the airstream and the now flightless creatures plummeted to earth.



Not true.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: FLS on February 15, 2012, 01:46:51 PM
thats kinda rude!!! who cares if the bats were gay or not, as long as they 'sploded on Q!

I think you misunderstood my flaming bats comment.

Somebody should have reconsidered sending squeakers into combat.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Nathan60 on February 15, 2012, 01:49:45 PM
Because the bats would dispers into a much wider area and reduce calateral human casualties to the civilian population.

And to clarify, after the initial tests just dropping the bats for the planes as/is and encountering the boken wings problem new testing took place dropping them out of the aircraft in canisters and the testing of the new system, while it may have been successful, delayed developement to the extent that it was deemed not worth pursuing any further.

How did thye keep the bats out of the caves?  Where they trained or was it like a  speceal breed like the House Sparerow bird?
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: BrockS on February 15, 2012, 01:50:12 PM
Not true.

ack-ack

And to clarify, after the initial tests just dropping the bats for the planes as/is and encountering the boken wings problem new testing took place dropping them out of the aircraft in canisters. The testing of the new system, while it may have been successful, delayed developement to the extent that it was deemed not worth pursuing any further.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Nathan60 on February 15, 2012, 01:51:53 PM
Because the bats would dispers into a much wider area and reduce calateral human casualties to the civilian population.


Dresden and Tokyo would like to speak with you its about collateral human casualties to  the  human civilian poplanceO(the cyborg poulation can fry
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: BrockS on February 15, 2012, 01:57:23 PM
Dresden and Tokyo would like to speak with you its about collateral human casualties to  the  human civilian poplanceO(the cyborg poulation can fry

I'm just stating the military's rational here and the driving force behind the concept. It's not my own determination nor am I judging it. I mean clearly that concept went out the window when we dropped the A-bomb although that did prevent the deaths of untold numbers of allied forces that would have had to participate in an invasion of Japan.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Nathan60 on February 15, 2012, 02:05:12 PM
I'm just stating the military's rational here and the driving force behind the concept. It's not my own determination nor am I judging it. I mean clearly that concept went out the window when we dropped the A-bomb although that did prevent the deaths of untold numbers of allied forces that would have had to participate in an invasion of Japan.
maybe the shoudl have used  house sparerows.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: FLOTSOM on February 15, 2012, 03:19:57 PM
I think you misunderstood my flaming bats comment.

Somebody should have reconsidered sending squeakers into combat.

oh so now they are not just ghey but they have to be flaming as well???????? WOW FLS you are a prejudiced hearted person aint ya?!?!?!?!


 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Nathan60 on February 15, 2012, 03:48:45 PM
Man you can tell when people ge toput of  work/school  these froums  get quiet
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: FLS on February 15, 2012, 03:56:42 PM
oh so now they are not just ghey but they have to be flaming as well???????? WOW FLS you are a prejudiced hearted person aint ya?!?!?!?!


 :rofl :rofl :rofl

I'm not judging you.  ;)

Nothing wrong with megachiroptera.   :D
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: FLOTSOM on February 15, 2012, 04:29:49 PM
I'm not judging you.  ;)

Nothing wrong with megachiroptera.   :D


hahahahaha now thatsheepisfunny!!!!
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Rob52240 on February 16, 2012, 11:06:32 AM
Their wings didn't break.  Here's the segment on them:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcpdtcRLeVY
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Shuffler on February 16, 2012, 01:03:10 PM
aww my long search continues..........  I saw David posted and came to see if he was back.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: GNucks on February 16, 2012, 01:08:10 PM
This idea is batsh** crazy.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Nathan60 on February 16, 2012, 01:43:17 PM
aww my long search continues..........  I saw David posted and came to see if he was back.

gotta admit  the  boards are a little less agnry since DW. Maybe he was  a Messiah. He was banished so we could live in Forumatic harmony?

WWDWWF?
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: GNucks on February 16, 2012, 02:03:45 PM
WWDWWF?

Airspawns and unlimited ammo.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Rob52240 on February 16, 2012, 10:56:32 PM
This idea is batsh** crazy.

So were propellorless airplanes at one time :)
Sometimes a bit of lunacy is just what the doctor ordered.
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: MAINER on February 17, 2012, 11:22:34 AM
So were propellorless airplanes at one time :)
Sometimes a bit of lunacy is just what the doctor ordered.

exactly!
Title: Re: Bat Bombs
Post by: Rob52240 on February 17, 2012, 10:48:38 PM
This is my favorite bit of WW2 Lunacy:   Operation Chariot
It was 321BAR none, the greatest raid of all time, ever.

Here's the Briefing:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIFeqLI9VYs

Here's the documentary presented by Jeremy Clarkson!:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgF0R4dhUqk
ok, I'm not that enthusiastic about Jeremy presenting this, I think James may have done a better job.