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Title: Intelligent arguments
Post by: TheMercinary60 on February 16, 2012, 07:31:07 PM
it might be a stretch but i would just like to see some constructive criticism here. why do have to have "NO, I DONT WANT IT, ILL NEVER USE IT SO NO ONE ELSE WILL" many of the suggestions on here can be shot down with facts, not simply opinions. IMHO every plane, idea, etc that we can think up should be implemented, granted there is a hierarchy to witch order they should be added, but i feel that there is no need for the people that seem to think they are the final say based on their own opinions. that is all
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: FLS on February 16, 2012, 07:39:06 PM
You needn't worry. Those opinions don't make any difference. Ideas stand or fall on their own merits.
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: Guppy35 on February 16, 2012, 07:43:37 PM
Don't listen to FLS.  He's always been wrong :)
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: TheMercinary60 on February 16, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
You needn't worry. Those opinions don't make any difference. Ideas stand or fall on their own merits.
agreed, i just think that when the internet was envisioned it was for a better way to communicate, and help along intellectual understanding. granted many people troll on here, but there are a few that wish, and get shot down out of lack of understanding. and besides discouraging new posters the type of behavior we see now just feeds those that do troll
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: GNucks on February 16, 2012, 07:52:46 PM
You can't change people. It's like trying to tell a cat what to do, it'll only do what you tell it to do if what you're telling it to do is what it already intended to do.

So this wish is a lot more than a stretch. You should wish for people to keep belittling each other and resort to personal attacks, I'm sure that'll get granted.
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: HighTone on February 16, 2012, 08:08:29 PM
Just like many other boards there are folks on here that contribute and others that detract from an online community like ours. After a while you will just learn to skip reading something on here just based on the avatar of the poster.

There are good folks on here...unfortunately they don't post or reply to as many topics as the trolls do.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: wil3ur on February 16, 2012, 08:10:15 PM
This is the worst wish ever.  Who would want to do that?  I'd rather bring up something completely unlrelated.

I'm tired of runways with trees to close to the end of it.  HiTech needs to make a Jeep with a chainsaw so we can clear these...  GRRR!

 :neener:
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: FLOTSOM on February 16, 2012, 08:12:27 PM
DAVID..........

is that you?????  :pray :pray :pray
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: guncrasher on February 16, 2012, 08:28:58 PM
everybody has a favorite airplane/gv that they want added.  Me I would love to see the a26 added, just to remember the good old days of aw.  I dont care if it doesnt perform/fly like it did back then.  it has great speed, lots of guns and carries lots of ords.  really good all around bomber/attack airplane.

Having said that, i see lots of airplanes have been added since i got here 5 years ago.  but with the exception of couple of versions of the p47, the other airplanes are just hangar queens.  look at the b29, everybody wanted it, but I go weeks without seeing one.  same for planes like the i16, p40's etc. 

Which brings me back to the new requests.  some of the airplanes requested are so slow and w/o purpose really, like the pby, that it really makes you wonder why they should be added.  and most of the other airplanes requested are the same way.  guaranteed to go into the hangar to be seen even less than elvis.


semp
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: Butcher on February 16, 2012, 09:11:09 PM
I look at it as constructive arguments, for example the Paul Defiant thread - sure it was a footnote in World War 2, it also seen combat action.
However I look at it from both sides of the argument, 99% that would vote on it never flew in the back of a Kate Torpedo plane or SBD trying to gun.

I vote personally on what plane served in the most theaters, and had a higher impact overall, for example if Plane A had 3000 built and served in 1 theater vs plane B who had 500 built but served in 4 theaters, I am voting on Plane B because I want something that will show up more then once in snapshots, FSO and the Main Arena.

I do shy away from anything POST Spring of 1944, frankly there is enough late war crap to go around, Midwar and Early War could the attention in my opinion, but I also won't reject something simply because it is beyond 44.

I will always keep it between the lines, some aircraft like the Boomerang in my opinion did not do squat during the war where aircraft like the Ki-43 get ignored time and time again. Both served in multiple theaters, however the Ki-43 scored victories where Boomerang is more of a Paul Defiant footnote.
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: Shuffler on February 17, 2012, 01:14:27 PM
it might be a stretch but i would just like to see some constructive criticism here. why do have to have "NO, I DONT WANT IT, ILL NEVER USE IT SO NO ONE ELSE WILL" many of the suggestions on here can be shot down with facts, not simply opinions. IMHO every plane, idea, etc that we can think up should be implemented, granted there is a hierarchy to witch order they should be added, but i feel that there is no need for the people that seem to think they are the final say based on their own opinions. that is all

Shot down before you even got out of the gate.

You are in fact saying no one elses opinion matter but yours.
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: caldera on February 17, 2012, 01:30:14 PM
Which brings me back to the new requests.  some of the airplanes requested are so slow and w/o purpose really, like the pby, that it really makes you wonder why they should be added.  and most of the other airplanes requested are the same way.  guaranteed to go into the hangar to be seen even less than elvis.


semp

Being that the only plane you fly is the P-51D, every plane in the game is a hangar queen to you.   :ahand


So sayeth the troll.  :)
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: Flench on February 17, 2012, 01:36:06 PM

 granted many people troll on here
You sure got that part right . Makes me think they have no life at all . Makes one wonder if they need some kind of professional help .
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: bustr on February 17, 2012, 04:30:54 PM
Woot! And while pigs fly and sing the halleluja chorus, you want congress to pass a budget this century and the ACLU demand the repeal of all firarms laws in the US? DW speaks through the heart of a yet to be corrupted soul.

If you survive, with time, you will come to value this blog as the "Open Mic" comedy night it truely is 7 days a week. Just remember asbestos long johns are a survival requirement not a fashion statement. Don't worry if you are a littel stiff to start with. We've all been doused with flaming fuel and tossed from the plane numerous times over the years. The more burn scars the less you feel the ground impact.

We should cherish this lamb in the wilderness before we jade and cloud his clairity of reality. For then we will have burned yet another bridge back to the salvation of our credulities.
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: guncrasher on February 17, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
Being that the only plane you fly is the P-51D, every plane in the game is a hangar queen to you.   :ahand


So sayeth the troll.  :)

it's not what I fly.  but what I see what others fly.

and you are lying when you say the only plane i fly is the p51, look at the stats :ahand.


semp
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: caldera on February 17, 2012, 09:03:47 PM
it's not what I fly.  but what I see what others fly.

and you are lying when you say the only plane i fly is the p51, look at the stats :ahand.


semp

Since you have called me a liar, I crunched some numbers in hope that we could have an intelligent argument about it.

For the record, the following statistics were gathered from the AH stats pages and concern the previous twelve months:

Statistics for semp, LW tours 133-144:

Total kills+deaths in fighter aircraft: 5596
Total number of fighter aircraft with recorded kills and/or deaths: 35  (this number is quite surprising and almost supports your argument)
Total number of kills+deaths in P-51D: 4181
Percentage of total kills+deaths in the P-51D: 74.7%

For comparison sake, my kills+deaths from the same period only comprised 13 more fighter planes than yours did.  However, my top killer claimed a relatively small 12.8% of the total kills+deaths in that time.  When I posted that the P-51D was the only plane you fly, it wasn't literally meant that you never use other planes; only that you use them, shall we say - rather sparingly.  If you want to get technical, you did use fighters other than the P-51D 25.3% of the time.  So from a black and white point of view, I was wrong.  From a practical point of view, I wasn't lying at all.   :angel:
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: guncrasher on February 18, 2012, 01:16:26 AM
Since you have called me a liar, I crunched some numbers in hope that we could have an intelligent argument about it.

For the record, the following statistics were gathered from the AH stats pages and concern the previous twelve months:

Statistics for semp, LW tours 133-144:

Total kills+deaths in fighter aircraft: 5596
Total number of fighter aircraft with recorded kills and/or deaths: 35  (this number is quite surprising and almost supports your argument)
Total number of kills+deaths in P-51D: 4181
Percentage of total kills+deaths in the P-51D: 74.7%

For comparison sake, my kills+deaths from the same period only comprised 13 more fighter planes than yours did.  However, my top killer claimed a relatively small 12.8% of the total kills+deaths in that time.  When I posted that the P-51D was the only plane you fly, it wasn't literally meant that you never use other planes; only that you use them, shall we say - rather sparingly.  If you want to get technical, you did use fighters other than the P-51D 25.3% of the time.  So from a black and white point of view, I was wrong.  From a practical point of view, I wasn't lying at all.   :angel:


i was joking when i said lier, i know what you meant  :salute.

anyway, I started using the pony about a year ago, I think.  before then my kills were almost always between spit8 and the il2.  and even then there was a lot of complains about me "flying with training wheels".  and even back then, I really didnt care what people thought about it.  I just fly because they're fun.  i switched to the ponyd because i got tired of all the fast planes getting away from my spit8.  now i target those planes which are picking others first.  then i pick everybody else  :devil.


semp
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: Melvin on February 18, 2012, 02:02:22 AM
I'll bet you can run faster in reverse than I can going forward semp.

 :lol
Title: Re: Intelligent arguments
Post by: wil3ur on February 18, 2012, 02:24:13 AM
I'll bet you can run faster in reverse than I can going forward semp.

 :lol

 :rofl   :rofl   :rofl