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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ABDCWOT on March 03, 2012, 05:42:10 AM
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=54c_1330621949
Sickening.
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hang on a sec aren't they the same truckers that the RAF assisted in deposing Gaddafi?
:furious
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The twittlers :furious
It's a declaration of war! :mad:
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It's a declaration of war!
Uncle Sugar ain't gonna do your heavy lifting for you this time.
Although, if ever there was good reason for a butt whooping, this is one of them.
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Shocking.
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There is no hope for that part of the world. The things people do to each other in the name of religion is just sickening.
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Sad, truely sad.
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I still have no idea why the west has been supporting the Islamist Spring, makes no sense at all to me.
can anyone explain to me why my hard earned taxes are being used to fight islamic fundamentalists in afghan, but travel a few hundred miles west of there and my hard earned taxes are being used to support islamic fundamentalists. wtf? :headscratch:
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animals....they need a good shoeing fo sho :furious :furious :furious :bhead :bhead
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I still have no idea why the west has been supporting the Islamist Spring, makes no sense at all to me.
can anyone explain to me why my hard earned taxes are being used to fight islamic fundamentalists in afghan, but travel a few hundred miles west of there and my hard earned taxes are being used to support islamic fundamentalists. wtf? :headscratch:
You have to continue to create the threat or eventually it will go away. :noid
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How many billions did we spend on those little sh#ts? Somehow Gadaffi managed to control those animals?
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Loweest form of subhumans on earth.
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Wow... That is horrible. Interesting that this hasnt sparked worldwide outrage yet.
Typical behavior for that type of people though.
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Wrong is so many ways....
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Uncle Sugar ain't gonna do your heavy lifting for you this time.
What an ASSinine thing to say. :bhead
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What an ASSinine thing to say. :bhead
:lol Yeah O.K.
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Yeah "O.K." America did the "heavy lifting" in Africa. Riiight... What's next? We won the Battle of Britain too?
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How many billions did we spend on those little sh#ts? Somehow Gadaffi managed to control those animals?
Atrocious
WWII hero's
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106230/Insult-WWII-heroes-Graves-British-soldiers-smashed-desecrated-Libyan-Islamists-protest-U-S-soldiers-Koran-burning.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106230/Insult-WWII-heroes-Graves-British-soldiers-smashed-desecrated-Libyan-Islamists-protest-U-S-soldiers-Koran-burning.html)
Vermen,
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Yeah "O.K." America did the "heavy lifting" in Africa. Riiight... What's next?
You might wish to educate yourself. You can start here...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/22/nato-libya-data-journalism-operations-country
We won the Battle of Britain too?
Everybody knows that Ben Affleck was responsible fro winning that. Sheesh...
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Holy multiple post Batman...
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Yikes...
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Yeah "O.K." America did the "heavy lifting" in Africa. Riiight... What's next? We won the Battle of Britain too?
Obvious troll is obvious.
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Yes shocking and no doubt Fundementalism has a part in it. But also be reminded that in the minds of the kickers the gravesights are those of colonial powers who fought a war for their lands and resources. Not for them. Europe has a long history of exploitation and human rights violations all across the African continent. Tho Italy was the biggest historical offender in Libya its hard to find graves for men who threw rifles away never fired once. Im not saying its right, Im just saying thats what they are thinking.
Europe didnt intervene in Libya cause it was concerned with its people. They intervened to protect their huge commercial interests and the fact that Libya has the largest untapped reserves of sweet crude in Africa. You think they dont know that? We went along with it just because were dumb.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/libya-oil-map.jpg)
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To be fair, the Brits stood by us rather steadfastly in regards to Iraq and A'stan. Militarily I guess we owed them a favor.
However, this is the Frankenstein our leaders have created. Unfortunately it will be our children that have to clean up the mess.
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To be fair, the Brits stood by us rather steadfastly in regards to Iraq and A'stan. Militarily I guess we owed them a favor.
However, this is the Frankenstein our leaders have created. Unfortunately it will be our children that have to clean up the mess.
We didnt "owe the Brits" anything in Libya cause they didnt owe mainland Europe anything to begin with. The Brits get very little oil from Libya too. But like us, and unlike the rest of NATO, they have the Tomohawk system that was crucial in taking out the Libyan air defense grid. Without the Yanks and Brits the rest of Europe would have been screwed. Of course their screwed anyway, who knows whats going to fill the vacuum left in Libya? All we and the Brits got out of it was another bill for the taxpayers.
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We didnt "owe the Brits" anything in Libya cause they didnt owe mainland Europe anything to begin with. The Brits get very little oil from Libya too. But like us, and unlike the rest of NATO, they have the Tomohawk system that was crucial in taking out the Libyan air defense grid. Without the Yanks and Brits the rest of Europe would have been screwed. Of course their screwed anyway, who knows whats going to fill the vacuum left in Libya? All we and the Brits got out of it was another bill for the taxpayers.
What I was saying is, as Britain's ally, if they chose to jump in the fire we'll be right at their side. They have a good track record of doing the same for us.
As far as the vacuum goes, I think we are seeing what's in store by watching this video.
I find it appalling that the western nations will attack a nation due to some perceived "humanitarian crisis", yet will stand idly by as many thousands are slaughtered in places like Darfur, Syria, Tibet, etc.
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Looks like the SAS needs to do a midnight visit & plant some AP mines in front of the graves. Worthless Libyan salamanders. Right or wrong, I despise the Arab segment of the human population.
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You might wish to educate yourself. You can start here...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/22/nato-libya-data-journalism-operations-country
You just looked at the pictures didn't you? The pictures that showed the U.S. having the most forces in the area.
You obviosly didn't read this part:
"...the weight of the conflict has fallen on the British, Italians, French and Canadians. The British have flown around 1,300 sorties, some 25% of the total, followed by the French with 1,200 and the Italians with 600."
That's ~60% of the total sorties flown, and there were 10 more euro-countries involved. Having the most stuff in the region does not equal "doing the heavy lifting", unless you count partying in southern Europe...
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You just looked at the pictures didn't you? The pictures that showed the U.S. having the most forces in the area.
You obviosly didn't read this part:
"...the weight of the conflict has fallen on the British, Italians, French and Canadians. The British have flown around 1,300 sorties, some 25% of the total, followed by the French with 1,200 and the Italians with 600."
That's ~60% of the total sorties flown, and there were 10 more euro-countries involved. Having the most stuff in the region does not equal "doing the heavy lifting", unless you count partying in southern Europe...
Aww, how cute. You totally took that quote out of context.
Here's the full quote:
"What it shows is that, besides the US - which dominates operations with over 8,000 personnel in the area in several ships and aircraft at the peak of the first weeks of the war - the weight of the conflict has fallen on the British, Italians, French and Canadians."
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The euros flew most of the sorties (by far), i.e. did most of the "heavy lifting". Oh yeah the U.S. "dominated" by having a lot of stuff, but the euros did more with their stuff. The U.S. had 153 aircraft and flew 2000 sorties. Italy had 12 planes and flew 600...
All in all the U.S. did less than 35% of the "heavy lifting" despite having the most toys.
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Blah... blah... blah... nonsensical gibberish...
The U.S. lead by a healthy margin in all categories.
It is cut and dry.
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[cough] Bullcrap [/cough]
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Is is absolutely disgusting to desecrate any graves. That these animals choose to do so over religion is even more abhorrent.
Turning this thread into a pissant argument over who did more in Libya is almost as disgusting. You guys need to stop crapping in this thread with your childish nonsense.
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Is is absolutely disgusting to desecrate any graves.
Turning this thread into a pissant argument over who did more in Libya is almost as disgusting.
You've got some whacky priorities.
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Is is absolutely disgusting to desecrate any graves. That these animals choose to do so over religion is even more abhorrent.
Turning this thread into a pissant argument over who did more in Libya is almost as disgusting. You guys need to stop crapping in this thread with your childish nonsense.
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calm down, this are just a few idiots,
remember the us. piss videos? its a vice versa nothing more.
calm down!!
..back to work.
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There is no hope for that part of the world. The things people do to each other in the name of religion is just sickening.
I believe the same is true for the western world but it seems to be toned down a bit for us.
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The euros flew most of the sorties (by far), i.e. did most of the "heavy lifting". Oh yeah the U.S. "dominated" by having a lot of stuff, but the euros did more with their stuff. The U.S. had 153 aircraft and flew 2000 sorties. Italy had 12 planes and flew 600...
All in all the U.S. did less than 35% of the "heavy lifting" despite having the most toys.
Like I said. We and the Brits took out the Libyan air defense mechanism. After that it was like flying training missions.
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Sometimes, I think you guys are idiots.
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It's sad that those graves were destroyed, but it would be an even greater sacrilege to go to war over their destruction. Arabs aren't evil, either. They're people just like us, with thoughts, feelings, and a culture all their own. They're nice people, just like South Americans and Europeans and Asians. It's not like the sand never hits the fan I the US, either. The Revolution had plenty of British tax collectors tarred and feathered (which, by the way, kills the victim by suffocation and excruciatingly painful burns) for just doing their jobs, and Waco showed that their are religious extremes in America, too. Let us not cast simplistic moral judgements on entire races and start wars over an act of vandalism- it's wrong and ridiculous.
-Penguin
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Animals like these should be shot on the spot
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I wonder what happened to the remains of 'Lady Be Good'.
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calm down, this are just a few idiots,
remember the us. piss videos? its a vice versa nothing more.
calm down!!
..back to work.
Yeah? you try watching some mutah diddlyer kick down the grave stone of YOUR family member while chanting "god is great" and see how it burns you inside.
diddly off.
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My reactions to videos like that is why the good lord keeps nuclear weapons out of my reach. If I had my way, the middle east would be a sheet of glass in about 45 minutes.
Why on earth would the British military leave their dead behind in a foreign land anyway? This is what happens when you don't bring your boys home. Did the brits really think the camel jockeys would shower their graves with flowers?
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The only appropriate response is to send a few priests there to start a WWII zombie outbreak.
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Why on earth would the British military leave their dead behind in a foreign land anyway? This is what happens when you don't bring your boys home. Did the brits really think the camel jockeys would shower their graves with flowers?
I think its because we have hundreds and hundreds of years of tradition of fighting in foreign lands that would have made it impossible to return the dead to British soil so we do what we do...and always have
The Soilder
If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,
A body of England's, breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.
And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.
:salute
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Why on earth would the British military leave their dead behind in a foreign land anyway? This is what happens when you don't bring your boys home.
You have to realize that America has several overseas cemeteries for servicemen all over the globe.
The decision whether to repatriate the corpses or leave them buried with their brothers-in-arms was left to the next of kin.
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This is how civilized people honor the war graves of their liberators.
(http://www.gti-ireland.com/images/us-memorial-normandy.jpg)
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I say we go in, in force, and take the fallen British service members home where they belong.
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There's no need for force, just nonchalantly send an 18-wheeler and a couple of SUV's full of security guards and shovels. Dig the bodies up, put them in the trailer, and drive them to the nearest airbase that will have a plane with sufficient cargo capacity. There, no bloodshed, no violence, just solving the problem like civilized people. The families get their bodies, and we don't spend oodles of cash fighting another war that ironically creates more war graves.
As for that huge cemetery, such decoration misrepresents how soldiers often die. They don't die thinking about how much they're giving to their country, they die screaming (on the inside or the outside) for mom and dad and to go back home. Ask any vet (at least those that I know) and they'll all say the same thing: "Those men weren't heroes, they were just doing their jobs". That's not a sweet nothing, that's the truth. If we make them out to be heroes, then we'll forget just how terrible that job is for the soldiers and those whom they fight around (their families, civilians, etc.,). A more appropriate burial ground would be something like Arlington, but with the cause of death printed right below the name. Then, we might get it through our heads that war is bad, and that we should only do it if we'd be even more screwed if we don't.
Fighting a war is not a matter of national pride, it's a matter of survival. Not only survival for the country you inhabit, but for the whole world. For instance, WWI was a classic example of huge, antagonistic alliances creating a World War out of a tiny provincial battle. If Germany, Russia, Britain, and France had kept their heads and ignored their alliances, we'd all be better off today. WWII on the other hand, was a matter of survival. Yes, the thought of losing power in Europe certainly frightened every government, but there was also the matter of a dictator achieving world domination that certainly made it a much more important, but nonetheless costly, war to fight. Indeed, war is a means to an end, not an end in itself.
-Penguin
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I realize that the US @ UK both have fallen soldiers and marines buried in foreign lands, but in those were in battles where we've won concise victories and liberated countries that we knew where were on our side. In cases like Iwo Jima we flat out took over and have kept a military presence every since. Peace treaties were also signed. Those past wars were over political or economic issues where the enemy (for the most part) wore a uniform and followed a code of military conduct. Vietnam was an exception as we all know, but my point being that the combatants from both sides had a certain amount of respect for each other in the eye of public opinion. Sure there were exceptions, there always will be.
But this war on terror and middle east dictators is far different from a war against political or economic ideologies. It's a war against the values and beliefs of the western world. A religious war that's been going on since the crusades. Western governments and it's citizens should not expect to go to an Islamic country and be honored or respected in the same way as other conflicts we've been in before.
I'm quite certain that the intelligence services of the US and UK knew that Islamic extremists would move right in after the bombing stopped. It's quite naive at best to think that you can go in somewhere, fight and not leave a presence there to keep order after the fighting has stopped. Especially in 3rd world Islamic countries where the wars are far from over.
I'm sorry but I'm of the opinion that all soldiers, marines and airmen be brought home to be put to rest. Leave a monument if you must, but don't leave ours boys over there to be subjected to this kind of thing. If we can afford 10s of billions of dollars to fight wars, why can't we come up with the money to bring our dead home to be buried. It only seems proper to me. :salute
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I realize that the US @ UK both have fallen soldiers and marines buried in foreign lands, but in those were in battles where we've won concise victories and liberated countries that we knew where were on our side. In cases like Iwo Jima we flat out took over and have kept a military presence every since. Peace treaties were also signed. Those past wars were over political or economic issues where the enemy (for the most part) wore a uniform and followed a code of military conduct. Vietnam was an exception as we all know, but my point being that the combatants from both sides had a certain amount of respect for each other in the eye of public opinion. Sure there were exceptions, there always will be.
But this war on terror and middle east dictators is far different from a war against political or economic ideologies. It's a war against the values and beliefs of the western world. A religious war that's been going on since the crusades. Western governments and it's citizens should not expect to go to an Islamic country and be honored or respected in the same way as other conflicts we've been in before.
I'm quite certain that the intelligence services of the US and UK knew that Islamic extremists would move right in after the bombing stopped. It's quite naive at best to think that you can go in somewhere, fight and not leave a presence there to keep order after the fighting has stopped. Especially in 3rd world Islamic countries where the wars are far from over.
I'm sorry but I'm of the opinion that all soldiers, marines and airmen be brought home to be put to rest. Leave a monument if you must, but don't leave ours boys over there to be subjected to this kind of thing. If we can afford 10s of billions of dollars to fight wars, why can't we come up with the money to bring our dead home to be buried. It only seems proper to me. :salute
With having sons in both the British Army and US Army I agree.
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I need to rephrase this. Standby.
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There's no need for force, just nonchalantly send an 18-wheeler and a couple of SUV's full of security guards and shovels. Dig the bodies up, put them in the trailer, and drive them to the nearest airbase that will have a plane with sufficient cargo capacity. There, no bloodshed, no violence, just solving the problem like civilized people. The families get their bodies, and we don't spend oodles of cash fighting another war that ironically creates more war graves.
As for that huge cemetery, such decoration misrepresents how soldiers often die. They don't die thinking about how much they're giving to their country, they die screaming (on the inside or the outside) for mom and dad and to go back home. Ask any vet (at least those that I know) and they'll all say the same thing: "Those men weren't heroes, they were just doing their jobs". That's not a sweet nothing, that's the truth. If we make them out to be heroes, then we'll forget just how terrible that job is for the soldiers and those whom they fight around (their families, civilians, etc.,). A more appropriate burial ground would be something like Arlington, but with the cause of death printed right below the name. Then, we might get it through our heads that war is bad, and that we should only do it if we'd be even more screwed if we don't.
Fighting a war is not a matter of national pride, it's a matter of survival. Not only survival for the country you inhabit, but for the whole world. For instance, WWI was a classic example of huge, antagonistic alliances creating a World War out of a tiny provincial battle. If Germany, Russia, Britain, and France had kept their heads and ignored their alliances, we'd all be better off today. WWII on the other hand, was a matter of survival. Yes, the thought of losing power in Europe certainly frightened every government, but there was also the matter of a dictator achieving world domination that certainly made it a much more important, but nonetheless costly, war to fight. Indeed, war is a means to an end, not an end in itself.
-Penguin
I know you are serious, and that scares me. I have lived among folks who thought Peace and Love was the way to go. They were called hippies and were found all over the country in the 1960's, although they seemed most prevalant in the "country" of California, City of San Francisco, intersection of Haight and Ashbury Streets.
These upstanding folks felt that war was wrong, and punished the members of the U.S. Military who were sent to South East Asia to fight a war that was never declared. Why try to force their beliefs on those kids who were drafted by their government? Why spit on them when they came home, if they came home. Where was their Peace and Love then?
It's about your "no need for force" comment that invalidates most of the rest of your post.
Salute to the Veterans of America and their families, and thank you for a job well done.
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what this planet needs is a world leader, to be run as a giant country. change the name from earth to planet america
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Am I spitting on people? No. Am I shoving my beliefs down others' throats? No. Do I think that our military is incapable? Not at all. I think that it does stuff that should be replied to with, "man, I'm glad that's over" because "good job" implies that what they did was intrinsically positive (building a bridge or a school). Soldiers prevent a negative consequence or consequences with controlled, destructive actions, but they do not usually directly create positive consequences. The difference is subtle but important, as it is the difference between militarism (the idea that war itself is good) and Just War Theory (the idea that war should be fought only as a last resort in order to avoid disaster, but not to achieve a goal). That's my point about this whole matter. If we remember veterans as "heroes" and give them vast and glorious cemeteries, then we indirectly argue that what they did was intrinsically positive. I believe that we can all agree that actions such as one scared nineteen-year-old maiming another scared nineteen-year-old with a hand grenade are not positive, but rather a very inefficient and costly means to the end of peace and prosperity for all. Unfortunately, sometimes there is no other means to that end save for war and we must fight; however, that does not make the individual deaths, injuries, and damages good. It does not even make the war on the whole good because the war is just a whole bunch of those actions put together. No, the only "good" is that which comes after the war, and the war itself is only justifiable if it averted a greater tragedy. Therefore, we should remember each and every war was negative because that's what war is: Negative.
If so, then the idea of such a grave is ridiculous. It goes against the very idea of a Just War because it paints the war in a falsely positive light. The idea of a war cemetery is to remind people just how horrible and costly war is. Now, the cemetery shouldn't be a grotesque freak show, but neither should it gloss over the pain and suffering that those human beings went through fighting it. Just saying "sacrifice" really doesn't cut it because it'll get lumped in with "loving your country" and "patriotism" as the national anthem plays. However, saying "death by dismemberment due to hand grenade" really gets the point across. We need to remember just how awful war is so that when stuff happens like war-graves getting destroyed, we don't start clamoring for it but make every effort to solve our problems with a minimum of violence.
Furthermore, even if we neglect how horrible war is, have we proven that we need to spend our hard-earned cash shipping an entire brigade over there? The need for force isn't there in both the moral and the tactical sense. It's like bringing the SWAT team to a traffic stop- it's overkill.
what this planet needs is a world leader, to be run as a giant country. change the name from earth to planet america
Your humor is too sophisticated and I must unfortunately ask for explanation. :(
-Penguin
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america....wheres this fit in on this topic...hijack to the flag wavers..
wtf
play the long game...if this is how the lybians want to conduct them selves then we will conduct ourselves differently...keep the moral high ground I say with an open mind
there are avacados everywhere in the world, dont forget that
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I know you are serious, and that scares me. I have lived among folks who thought Peace and Love was the way to go. They were called hippies and were found all over the country in the 1960's, although they seemed most prevalant in the "country" of California, City of San Francisco, intersection of Haight and Ashbury Streets.
These upstanding folks felt that war was wrong, and punished the members of the U.S. Military who were sent to South East Asia to fight a war that was never declared. Why try to force their beliefs on those kids who were drafted by their government? Why spit on them when they came home, if they came home. Where was their Peace and Love then?
It's about your "no need for force" comment that invalidates most of the rest of your post.
Salute to the Veterans of America and their families, and thank you for a job well done.
You are wasting your time with him and his shades account HB. He is claiming to be 14 years old on top of it.
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what this planet needs is a world leader, to be run as a giant country. change the name from earth to planet america
That's where we seem headed. When we get there, post again about how well it works for you.
Penguin,
Again you have made good points, but you misunderstand the American Military when they say, "I was just doing my job".
I urge you to investigate an ROTC program. That is, at it's most basic, a military introduction to high school people. There is no chance you will be shot at by an enemy of the U.S., you will never be talking to one of your class mates one second and having whats left of him splattered all over you the next,you will not have to kill another human, but you will learn some basic information being kept from you by your school and those being paid to give you a well rounded education and you will understand why places like Arlington are not only right, but necessary. A field trip to Arlington for the day may help you understand more.
To not be able to see what I am saying, proves to me that you have not been taught all that I was when I was your age, and even at that, the curriculum was somewhat weak in many areas even back then. That is where the life experience I spoke of comes from. Living here and there, and having this and that experience has taught us things we could never find in books because there are just some things "they" do not want us to know. "They" being some educators, boards of education, and members of our government. Live and form your own opinions. Build upon what you are taught, but never take what you are taught as the only truth. Best to you,
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You are wasting your time with him and his shades account HB. He is claiming to be 14 years old on top of it.
Mash,
I have a hard time giving up on anyone.
You may be right, however, and I am through with this thread.
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There's no need for force, just nonchalantly send an 18-wheeler and a couple of SUV's full of security guards and shovels. Dig the bodies up, put them in the trailer, and drive them to the nearest airbase that will have a plane with sufficient cargo capacity. There, no bloodshed, no violence, just solving the problem like civilized people.
"Civilized people"? Well I guess that makes me "un" civilized cause when I see a video of armed Jihadists defacing burial sights of westerners I'd pretty much expect a gunfight when you pull up in the 18 wheeler.
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That's what the security guards are for. The "force" in question was hostile military force, as opposed to a quiet entry.
-Penguin
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bunch of scum bags
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...if this is how the lybians want to conduct them selves then we will conduct ourselves differently...keep the moral high ground I say with an open mind
there are avacados everywhere in the world, dont forget that
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I'm proud that you guys across the pond are our allies in arms because of statements like that. The British have always had honor and respected her enemies. But I'm to the point that when I see these kind of things that were in the OP video, I just scream inside. It's time to take the gloves off and get midevil on these clowns if ya ask me. That's the only thing they understand. I feel that if we don't we'll be fighting this war for another 1000 years. The USMC has a saying: kill em' all and then let god sort them out. That's been my feelings towards them since Oct. of 82 when they blew up the Marine barracks in Lebanon.
Total all out in your face war is what is needed. Not these "beating around the bush, afraid to hurt anybody's feelings" wars we've been fighting since Vietnam. Just my angry 2 cents :salute
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That saying actually came from the genocide committed by the French Crown against the Hugeonots. Total all-out in your face war against what? The Arab people, who have been largely powerless as their countries have been torn apart by ethnic violence, revolutions, and despotic dictators? The only way to wage war against a people is to kill them, so genocide, cold, calculated murder against tens of millions of people is what you think will solve the problem. Think about what that means. That's not killing a person, or a town, or a country or even a region. That's killing an entire race. You know the last guy who tried to do that? That's right. Now his countenance resides almost daily on the History channel, and he will forever be remembered as the most evil man to walk the earth. That man. Ethics and posterity aside, to think that the world will stand idly by as the US exacts its revolting revenge on an entire race for the actions of a few is madness. By your logic, it would be total war against them as well. Not just any war, though, nuclear war. It would be the end of the world, the end of mankind. Then there would be nothing, nothing but cold, gray ash and the shadows of the innocent, etched by atomic fire into the concrete of the cities.
-Penguin
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That saying actually came from the genocide committed by the French Crown against the Hugeonots. Total all-out in your face war against what? The Arab people, who have been largely powerless as their countries have been torn apart by ethnic violence, revolutions, and despotic dictators? The only way to wage war against a people is to kill them, so genocide, cold, calculated murder against tens of millions of people is what you think will solve the problem. Think about what that means. That's not killing a person, or a town, or a country or even a region. That's killing an entire race. You know the last guy who tried to do that? That's right. Now his countenance resides almost daily on the History channel, and he will forever be remembered as the most evil man to walk the earth. That man. Ethics and posterity aside, to think that the world will stand idly by as the US exacts its revolting revenge on an entire race for the actions of a few is madness. By your logic, it would be total war against them as well. Not just any war, though, nuclear war. It would be the end of the world, the end of mankind. Then there would be nothing, nothing but cold, gray ash and the shadows of the innocent, etched by atomic fire into the concrete of the cities.
-Penguin
He said nothing about genocide.
Libyans are not Arabs,
but...
Your candy-arse rhetoric made me :rofl
It was a good, solid belly laugh, too and not just a tiny chuckle.
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It would be the end of the world, the end of mankind. Then there would be nothing, nothing but cold, gray ash and the shadows of the innocent, etched by atomic fire into the concrete of the cities.
:lol Wow, some melodramatic prose right there.
Quick Penguin, you might wish to grab your binky and hide under your bed. That man is coming for you.
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He said nothing about genocide.
Libyans are not Arabs,
but...
Your candy-arse rhetoric made me :rofl
It was a good, solid belly laugh, too and not just a tiny chuckle.
He did not mention the Libyans in his argument. I assumed that he referred to Arabs as well, since we are fighting a war in the Middle East, too. Nuclear war on the world? Pretty much. There are a lot of warheads lying around, and itchy trigger fingers would quickly find relief on those little brass keys.
:lol Wow, some melodramatic prose right there.
Quick Penguin, you might wish to grab your binky and hide under your bed. That man is coming for you.
Color me wet behind the ears but I don't know what a binky is.
-Penguin
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He did not mention the Libyans in his argument. I assumed that he referred to Arabs as well, since we are fighting a war in the Middle East, too. Nuclear war on the world? Pretty much. There are a lot of warheads lying around, and itchy trigger fingers would quickly find relief on those little brass keys.
Color me wet behind the ears but I don't know what a binky is.
-Penguin
You must have missed the title and subject matter of the thread for all of your genius insight.
The object you put in your mouth and sucked on as an infant, not to be confused with the one you put in your mouth, now
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Penquin, I have no problems with the Arab people or the Islamic faith. But the extremists are a whole different ball of wax. That is who I direct my anger towards. I'd have no problem hunting them down one by one until they're wiped off the face of the earth. Every single last one. You know why I feel that way? Because that is what they feel about me AND you....and our parents, grandparents, children etc. etc.
Do you really want these people and their twisted ideas to multiply? I don't. It'd be akin to letting the KKK run amouk here in the states imo. Luckily we as a people had the good sense to put the klan in check before their thinking got too embedded in our society. If we keep giving the extremists a pass on their actions they'll spread like roaches across the globe. God help us all if that happens.
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Penquin, I have no problems with the Arab people or the Islamic faith. But the extremists are a whole different ball of wax. That is who I direct my anger towards. I'd have no problem hunting them down one by one until they're wiped off the face of the earth. Every single last one. You know why I feel that way? Because that is what they feel about me AND you....and our parents, grandparents, children etc. etc.
Do you really want these people and their twisted ideas to multiply? I don't. It'd be akin to letting the KKK run amouk here in the states imo. Luckily we as a people had the good sense to put the klan in check before their thinking got too embedded in our society. If we keep giving the extremists a pass on their actions they'll spread like roaches across the globe. God help us all if that happens.
Christian Extremism has been just as barbaric throughout history. Takes two to tango. I would say 99.9 % of the moslem world are good people just Like you and I and you want to kill innocent women and children?
Religion isn't always the root cause of trouble some people are idiots and people are everywhere. The NTC have come on record saying that they are just as disgusted with that group of indivaduals and IF caught will punish them under Islamic law so I guess one of them will be losing a hand or foot. :aok
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Your humor is too sophisticated and I must unfortunately ask for explanation. :(
-Penguin
If that were here or another similar country they would have probably been tazed, arrested and the armed would be shot before getting to do anything to the 2nd tombstone.
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ddoouubbllee ppoosstt
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Christian Extremism has been just as barbaric throughout history. Takes two to tango. I would say 99.9 % of the moslem world are good people just Like you and I and you want to kill innocent women and children?
Not even close. But for the record at least Christianity evolved into a humane religion since the 1500's. Were still waiting on Islam.
Religion isn't always the root cause of trouble some people are idiots and people are everywhere. The NTC have come on record saying that they are just as disgusted with that group of indivaduals and IF caught will punish them under Islamic law so I guess one of them will be losing a hand or foot.
You cant possibly think whatever bunch is running that zoo now is going to try and catch their "brothers"? Or that they can?
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/16/rights-group-says-libyas-militias-are-out-of-control/?ref=libya
As my colleague Anthony Shadid reported from Tripoli last week, the powerlessness of the government is such that the national army is treated like just another armed group. As a result, Libya’s leaders have been unable to rein in the large number of lawless militias with regional or tribal allegiances who fight one another with disturbing frequency. Human Rights Watch has estimated that there are 250 separate militias in the coastal city of Misurata alone.
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In all fairness Rich we shouldn't base our perception of a particular faith based on the actions of a few. I'd venture to say that 95% of the followers of Islam are peace loving folks that just want to live their lives the best they know how, without harming anyone. :salute
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=54c_1330621949
Sickening.
-ab
burn a few more korans then drop abomb on their azz
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In all fairness Rich we shouldn't base our perception of a particular faith based on the actions of a few. I'd venture to say that 95% of the followers of Islam are peace loving folks that just want to live their lives the best they know how, without harming anyone. :salute
Unfortunatly that "few" is in the millions and millions. Either actively participating in extremism, paying the bill for it, or simply giving it "extremism" moral support.
Why is it always "95%" whenever I hear the same silly statement westerners keep repeating to make themselves feel better after another attack by terrorists? No doubt the Dodo birds said the same thing about Humanity while they were heading to the big black.
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The dodo bird? So you're saying that non-muslims face an existential risk due to muslims. No. The amount of ordinance required to even wipe out a tiny country like Lithuania (no disrespect, but it is tiny) is more than any terrorist group can muster. Muslim extremists aren't the whole story, either, there are also right-wing extremist (neo-nazi, white supremacist, etc.,) groups roaming the Deep South. I'm not talking about the odd redneck that forgot that the Civil War ended; these are fully armed militias that are not affiliated with Al-Qaeda. A good example is the scores-strong group that planned to kill hundreds or even thousands of U.S. government employees with ricin gas in an effort to "save the country". Luckily for those employees, the cell was caught before the plan could be put into action. Regarding the KKK in particular, besides normal police work and smear campaigns, there wasn't much done about them. Racists lost faith in them and the group petered out on its own. There was no assassination campaign needed. The same applies to groups like Al-Qaeda; they are not so much self-sustaining movements as the manifestation of fear and frustration.
That is to say that being part of Al-Qaeda in, say, modern Afghanistan, is akin to being part of the KKK in 60s Alabama. Though in each case the existence of the native culture gave it ammunition (more so for the KKK) the culture itself did not spawn the group. For instance, if I took a bunch of Wall Street investors and showed them that a stock was undervalued and expected to skyrocket, then they would likely buy the stock. However, until I came down and showed them the stock, they probably wouldn't have bought it. The same applies in regions like Afghanistan: If you take a bunch of villagers who hear rockets, bombs, and screaming going on daily and you scare the pants off them and tell them that it's all somebody's fault, they're likely to believe you if you are at least somewhat good at persuasion. However, those villagers would have likely just sat it out until the fighting ended and made some nice rugs or pottery or built a house if you hadn't come by. Therefore, the villagers shouldn't be punished, they need to be educated about how this mess got started in terms that they can understand. Likewise, the terrorist cells need to lose credibility more than their members need to be killed. As long as Al-Qaeda can recruit new members, killing one of them only puts things off for a bit because a new member will join. The job is so risky that even severe casualties won't deter them. It's a war of hearts and minds, not guns and ammo. That's a good thing, too, because fighting the latter kind of war means a lot more people on both sides don't come home to their families- no matter who you are or what you believe, and barring imminent threats to others' lives, you have the right to see tomorrow.
-Penguin
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The dodo bird? So you're saying that non-muslims face an existential risk due to muslims. No. The amount of ordinance required to even wipe out a tiny country like Lithuania (no disrespect, but it is tiny) is more than any terrorist group can muster. Muslim extremists aren't the whole story, either, there are also right-wing extremist (neo-nazi, white supremacist, etc.,) groups roaming the Deep South. I'm not talking about the odd redneck that forgot that the Civil War ended; these are fully armed militias that are not affiliated with Al-Qaeda. A good example is the scores-strong group that planned to kill hundreds or even thousands of U.S. government employees with ricin gas in an effort to "save the country". Luckily for those employees, the cell was caught before the plan could be put into action. Regarding the KKK in particular, besides normal police work and smear campaigns, there wasn't much done about them. Racists lost faith in them and the group petered out on its own. There was no assassination campaign needed. The same applies to groups like Al-Qaeda; they are not so much self-sustaining movements as the manifestation of fear and frustration.
That is to say that being part of Al-Qaeda in, say, modern Afghanistan, is akin to being part of the KKK in 60s Alabama. Though in each case the existence of the native culture gave it ammunition (more so for the KKK) the culture itself did not spawn the group. For instance, if I took a bunch of Wall Street investors and showed them that a stock was undervalued and expected to skyrocket, then they would likely buy the stock. However, until I came down and showed them the stock, they probably wouldn't have bought it. The same applies in regions like Afghanistan: If you take a bunch of villagers who hear rockets, bombs, and screaming going on daily and you scare the pants off them and tell them that it's all somebody's fault, they're likely to believe you if you are at least somewhat good at persuasion. However, those villagers would have likely just sat it out until the fighting ended and made some nice rugs or pottery or built a house if you hadn't come by. Therefore, the villagers shouldn't be punished, they need to be educated about how this mess got started in terms that they can understand. Likewise, the terrorist cells need to lose credibility more than their members need to be killed. As long as Al-Qaeda can recruit new members, killing one of them only puts things off for a bit because a new member will join. The job is so risky that even severe casualties won't deter them. It's a war of hearts and minds, not guns and ammo. That's a good thing, too, because fighting the latter kind of war means a lot more people on both sides don't come home to their families- no matter who you are or what you believe, and barring imminent threats to others' lives, you have the right to see tomorrow.
-Penguin
Stop pretending to be a teenager.
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Stop pretending to be a teenager.
^----- This.
Actually having him just stop posting all together would be nice.
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If anyone can reach Masherbrum, can they ask him if there were any way that I could prove to him that I'm just a kid, and not a grown man pretending to be one? I've got plenty of pictures, heck even a video. I can answer AH2 and BBS trivia in a Skype conversation, whatever it is, I just want to clear this issue up. I don't know where he got the idea. I never claimed to be grown up, it's just that I didn't say it the first day that I came here.
-Penguin
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No one can reach Karaya. They've been trying for years.............. :old: :uhoh
and FYI I also don't buy that you're a youngster either. And don't be posting any little boy pictures. It'll creep me out dude. :confused:
and this ---> I'm not talking about the odd redneck that forgot that the Civil War ended; these are fully armed militias that are not affiliated with Al-Qaeda. we mustn't speak of this again...k....k :aok :noid
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Penguin your not broadcasting from the moon are you?
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there are also right-wing extremist (neo-nazi, white supremacist, etc.,) groups roaming the Deep South. I'm not talking about the odd redneck that forgot that the Civil War ended; these are fully armed militias..................... .......
I take issue with that! :furious The ones I know...errrr heard of... :noid, live in the upper north west! Washington, Oregon, Utah....those places. You no not of what u speak.
and before that gets out of hand,I'm joking. I know no neo-nazi, white supremacists, nor am I affiliated with any other coocoo groups out there.....except for this nutty crowd around here that is. That's as silly as I care to be. ;)
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I don't have too many of those since I'm usually the one behind the lens, not in front of it. Here's one that a friend took of me while I was at a FIRST competition:
(http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/Photo_Penguin/Me.jpg)
I was there to take photographs for my team, and this is our robot:
(http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd384/Photo_Penguin/OurRobot.jpg)
We're the Robo-Rebels, and this is our website: http://www.walpolerobotics.com/ (http://www.walpolerobotics.com/) We just renovated it- the old one looked like it was from 1995!
uptown, there are certainly Nazi's in Idaho, but they seem more of a political organization than something to worry about seriously, like those Deep South militias. I'm certain that there are terrorists up in Northwest, too, though.
Rich52 :lol Good one! Iron Sky was a good movie, but I'm no Nazi.
-Penguin
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Cool robo thingajiggy ! :aok Looks like fun
P.S. don't BS us. You're that bald dude in the background aren't ya?!......... aren't ya! We all know that the 1st picture is your daughter and not you. Jeeezzz how dumb do u think we are! :devil
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It's good to hear that you understand. If only Masherbrum could see this. Would you mind PM'ing him about how I haven't been lying for the past three years?
-Penguin
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Loweest form of subhumans on earth.
Completely agreed. I wouldn't mind seeing the entire middle east turn into a huge crater. Actually, it would be quite the view. :cheers:
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Completely agreed. I wouldn't mind seeing the entire middle east turn into a huge crater. Actually, it would be quite the view. :cheers:
So while one must be subhuman to destroy a grave, genocide is totally fine. You realize that most of the Middle East detests terrorism just as much as we do? They cry when their relatives die by IED's too.
-Penguin
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It's good to hear that you understand. If only Masherbrum could see this. Would you mind PM'ing him about how I haven't been lying for the past three years?
-Penguin
:huh I ain't going to do that. I make enough trouble for myself around here without getting in the middle of someone else's arguments. Besides, a picture or two proves nothing. I can post a pic of Mr.Bean and tell everyone it's me if I wanted to. But that don't make it so. And besides that, the last time I seen Kayara he shot at me .......with cannons! I don't think he would appreciate a PM from me on your behalf.
this is me -----> (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/mr-bean.jpg)
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I'd PM him myself but I'm on his ignore list. It's alright if you don't want to, though; it's just that he keeps bringing it up.
-Penguin
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:huh I ain't going to do that. I make enough trouble for myself around here without getting in the middle of someone else's arguments. Besides, a picture or two proves nothing. I can post a pic of Mr.Bean and tell everyone it's me if I wanted to. But that don't make it so. And besides that, the last time I seen Kayara he shot at me .......with cannons! I don't think he would appreciate a PM from me on your behalf.
this is me -----> (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/mr-bean.jpg)
lol
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=54c_1330621949
Sickening.
-ab
They are all supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood. :mad: