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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Wolfala on March 06, 2012, 10:44:55 PM
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Never used them before. Whats out on the market?
Have TM Warthog but have been using X52 for years.
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My favorite are the CH Products pedals. They have excellent feel, and are very sturdy and long-lasting.
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CH only way to go. They'll take a week or so to get used to but after that you'll kick yourself in the butt for not getting them sooner. I believe they run about 150.00/175.00 or so. Ebay may have a deal or two also. Worth checking out. :salute
my advice is stay away from the Saitek pedals. They look nice but just don't hold up like the CH
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I've heard good things about Saitek pedals. I had one of the first production sets from several years back and I had issues with them coming off track but Saitek sent me a reinforcement kit that fixed them. Also later production runs had this issue corrected and they hold up very nice.
Not that the CH pedals are bad either. There have been some reports of wiring issues with them but no matter what manufacturer you choose a lemon is going to get through from time to time.
Price wise they are about the same. From what I understand the CH pedals are a bit smoother but the Saitek pedals have a wider stance to them.
You can get either set for about $100 (including shipping) through amazon HERE (http://astore.amazon.com/youremyperser-20)
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CH only way to go. They'll take a week or so to get used to but after that you'll kick yourself in the butt for not getting them sooner. I believe they run about 150.00/175.00 or so. Ebay may have a deal or two also. Worth checking out. :salute
my advice is stay away from the Saitek pedals. They look nice but just don't hold up like the CH
I have had mine for over 3 years no issues yet...unlike anything else from Saitek
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I used my CH pro pedals for years they are great pedals. The stance is a little narrow, but nothing that would keep me from buying them again.
I'm using Simpeds now they are really nice pedals, but pricey.
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I used my CH pro pedals for years they are great pedals. The stance is a little narrow, but nothing that would keep me from buying them again.
I'm using Simpeds now they are really nice pedals, but pricey.
Yes Simpeds. Gaboon sent me a link to those one time I believe. Damn they looked sweet. Too rich for my blood but definitely made for the serious simulator pilot from the looks of them. Here's the link on those. http://www.dhs-electronic.de/index2.php?id=100&lng=en
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ch pedals are of crude construction and way overpriced. Saitek pro pedals all the way.
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ch pedals are of crude construction and way overpriced. Saitek pro pedals all the way.
indeed.
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I used CH rudder pedals a few times. Hated them. They were extremely light, it required more force to move a computer mouse than those pedals. Pedals should provide some resistance as most of the time when you use your rudder you don't want to apply maximum deflection.
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Love my saitek combat PRO peddles.
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I have CH pedals, you'll hear no complaints from me.
Just a little pricey.
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I'm
Using these for A-10 And KA50. X52 will still be for AH
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I've had both of the CH pedal types, the narrow, and the REALLY narrow, as well as the older Saiteks.
http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/compedals.html
These are the newer Saitek's I bought with my Warthog setup (yes, I'm one of 'those' guys who bought those peds with that HOTAS).
I've never had the chance to try the SIMpeds, in fact I've never seen a set, and I'm going to get a hold of some asap for comparison, I've ordered a set of the F16USB pedals. That said, the new Saitek combat peds are a huge leap forward from the older saitek pedals and the CH ones in terms of materials and workmanship that they are worth the extra 100 dollars and then some. They do have a larger footprint then the other types of pedals, so be warned if you have a small desk or space you are working in.
IF you don't feel like the wait time or ordering overseas for the SIMPEDS, which are around 400$ Canadian for the ones I have on the way, make sure you buy the Saitek Combat Pedals, as they are the by far the best of the 3 or 4 types that are available in North America easily from say amazon or whatever. Ch Pedals, Saitek Pro, the pedals with the Logitech Hotas....NONE of them are even close to half as good as the Combat pedals, at least to me. The are about 75 dollars more on average than the CH/Saitek Pedals, but for that small sum of cash you get a LOT better product. Try them out at best buy or whatever first, and you'll agree with me.
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CH Pedals are around $103 shipped on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/CH-PRODUCTS-Pedals-Discover-300111DIS/dp/B005ILK092/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1331131972&sr=1-1
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I use CH pedals, and am surprised when you guys say that they have "excellent feel".
There appears to be some sort of clunky mechanical detent (for self-centering?) in the neutral position, which as one passes through it produces a significant discontinuity in the rate-of-change of the rudder position signal, as indicated on the Aces High client "map controllers -> advanced" calibration screen. It can be partially compensated for by adding a large damping delay to the rudder axis, but this makes the rudder less responsive.
Maybe other pedals are worse?
MH
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And the Saitek Combat Pedals, which are far FAR superior in terms of workmanship and materials, are 75$ more, like I just said.
http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Flight-Combat-Rudder-Pedals/dp/B004ING996/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1331132515&sr=1-2
It just comes down to personal preference. I have 3 types of pedals myself set up between 2 different gaming rigs at the moment, and I'll soon have the SIMPED F16USB's in my hands. I'll likely put the CH USB pedals back in their box and keep the saitek's and simped's out. Nothing wrong with the CH pedals, don't get me wrong, I've had the same non - USB set since CH sent me a free set when I was editor back at www.combatsim.com which is 11 years now I think, and I've never had any trouble from them right up until the USB ones came out and I boxed them. But for a little more money you can get a far better set that are wider, smoother, and made from a lot more metal parts (saitek combats).
Choose any, and I think you'll be happy.
I did notice one thing the OP said, maybe I misunderstood, but you said the pedals were for DCS offline type stuff, and your x52 was for Aces High. Did you mean to say you aren't going to use the pedals in Aces? If so, you should at least give it a whirl, you'll find that once you get used to them the are far more precise than a twisty or finger rocker type of rudder control. To each their own I say, but if you get the saitek combat's, at least try it in Aces, I bet the cost of the pedals you'll be using them in Aces instead of the x52 twisty.
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I use CH pedals, and am surprised when you guys say that they have "excellent feel".
There appears to be some sort of clunky mechanical detent (for self-centering?) in the neutral position, which as one passes through it produces a significant discontinuity in the rate-of-change of the rudder position signal, as indicated on the Aces High client "map controllers -> advanced" calibration screen. It can be partially compensated for by adding a large damping delay to the rudder axis, but this makes the rudder less responsive.
Maybe other pedals are worse?
MH
My Saitek pro pedals have such a smooth input that I always wondered if they used hall sensors, and they are 5+ years old now
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I used CH rudder pedals a few times. Hated them. They were extremely light, it required more force to move a computer mouse than those pedals. Pedals should provide some resistance as most of the time when you use your rudder you don't want to apply maximum deflection.
That's odd. My CH pedals require enough force that they slide around on a floor a bit -- I had to put some non-skid under the base to keep them in place.
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I use CH pedals, and am surprised when you guys say that they have "excellent feel".
There appears to be some sort of clunky mechanical detent (for self-centering?) in the neutral position, which as one passes through it produces a significant discontinuity in the rate-of-change of the rudder position signal, as indicated on the Aces High client "map controllers -> advanced" calibration screen. It can be partially compensated for by adding a large damping delay to the rudder axis, but this makes the rudder less responsive.
Maybe other pedals are worse?
MH
Mine have the same issue of clunkiness. It feels like something got into the pedals and makes them 'notch' at that point. However, I don't have the second issue you mentioned. They are linear when I've looked in the calibration screen.
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I Have CH pedals.
Likes:
Sturdy
Reliable
Have independent toe control (for braking in AH)
Have pivotting slider control (for rudder in AH)
Dislikes:
Ergonomics:
Foot pedals are angled too flat, and are end pivot (hinged at the heel). Full depression means rotating your foot all the way flat. This forces them to be closer than I want because if you have then far enoguh away to get your legs out in front of you, it's hard to get your Foot flat to the floor. So they work better when you legs are bent and they are closer to you, but this fores my thighs up off the chair which can get uncomfortable after longer sessions.
The pedals are too close together. This causes your private parts to get in a knock fairly quickly. Very unfavorable. Alternative is to spread your knees apart, with causes you to rest the sides of your feet in the pedals. Also not very comfortable.
So while they have worked flawlessly for almost 3 years now. I'm looking to move to a set that has better egonomics (pedals set wider, and oriented more vertical.)
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I've had my current set of Saitek pedals since mid '07 and wouldn't change to another brand at all. Every now and then tho, these Saitek pedals will have the problem of jumping the track, but that is an easy fix. Infact, I've probably taken them apart 3-4 times. Takes 5 minutes and could be avoided if I didn't put full force on the pedals from stretching after a long night of getting shot down.
CH pedals might be nice, tho I've never tried them, but I'd stick with my Saitek pedals (other items I'd think hard about).
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I've had both the CH and Saitek pedals. I think I'd love the simpeds but they're a bit pricey IMO. The Ch pedals worked fine but I really didn't like the pedals being so close together. If you like your junk in a bunch then use them. I didn't so I bought some Saiteks and so far I'm liking them a lot more.
I just wish there was some sort of Hall sensor mod for the yaw axis that is easily installed for them. As with any controller that uses pots they get a little jerky over time and that requires a little maintenance to take out. Not the end of the world but you know how it is. It gets worse and worse until you can't live with it anymore and it's a minor tear down. That generally wouldn't happen with Halls.
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I've had my current set of Saitek pedals since mid '07 and wouldn't change to another brand at all. Every now and then tho, these Saitek pedals will have the problem of jumping the track, but that is an easy fix. Infact, I've probably taken them apart 3-4 times. Takes 5 minutes and could be avoided if I didn't put full force on the pedals from stretching after a long night of getting shot down.
CH pedals might be nice, tho I've never tried them, but I'd stick with my Saitek pedals (other items I'd think hard about).
If you get a hold of saitek they will send you a free reinforcement kit (and instructions) that will prevent this from happening.
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All Ch here. No issues at all.
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send caldera a pm he may still ahve an almost new set of saitek pedals that he hardly used.
semp
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send caldera a pm he may still ahve an almost new set of saitek pedals that he hardly used.
semp
Too late. Already ordered saitek combat pros
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I've been very happy with my SimPed pedals. I've had them for about 10 years now and they have worked flawlessly the entire time.
http://www.dhs-electronic.de/index2.php?id=200&lng=en (http://www.dhs-electronic.de/index2.php?id=200&lng=en)
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CH only way to go. They'll take a week or so to get used to but after that you'll kick yourself in the butt for not getting them sooner. I believe they run about 150.00/175.00 or so. Ebay may have a deal or two also. Worth checking out. :salute
my advice is stay away from the Saitek pedals. They look nice but just don't hold up like the CH
It takes a helluva lot longer than a week to transition from twisty to pedals...Im in the middle of it right now and I'm three weeks and no where close to getting used to the muscle memory I had with the twisty. Just sayin...I was never a great stick but this transition is merciless! llmao!
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It takes a helluva lot longer than a week to transition from twisty to pedals...Im in the middle of it right now and I'm three weeks and no where close to getting used to the muscle memory I had with the twisty. Just sayin...I was never a great stick but this transition is merciless! llmao!
Tried both CH and Saitek and never got used to either one. Hand-eye coordination with a twisty is quicker and easier. I never got used to having the stall limiter off, either. This game is tough for slow learners. :bhead
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It takes a helluva lot longer than a week to transition from twisty to pedals...Im in the middle of it right now and I'm three weeks and no where close to getting used to the muscle memory I had with the twisty. Just sayin...I was never a great stick but this transition is merciless! llmao!
took me a good month before it was second nature, I did use a twisty for 4 years, before I switched over...I will never go back to a twisty.
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I could never get used to the twisty stick. I have some real life flying experience, so it has always felt more natural to use my feet. When I finally bought my pedals (saiteks) it was much better for me.
As for Saitek quality, I've never had a problem with my pedals (older style), but I'm really tempted to upgrade to the Saitek Combat Pro pedals. They look really nice.
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It takes a helluva lot longer than a week to transition from twisty to pedals...Im in the middle of it right now and I'm three weeks and no where close to getting used to the muscle memory I had with the twisty. Just sayin...I was never a great stick but this transition is merciless! llmao!
I can certainly understand it taking a while to get used to the transition, especially if you're used to a twisty stick for any long amount of time. I used a 290 pro for only a few months before I ordered some pedals. So the twisty action habit wasn't too ingrained yet.
I think alot of guys make the mistake of trying to use the pedals too much when they start out. I basically just use them for fine adjustments when lining up at target. About the only time I really lay into them hard is when I'm trying to slow down real fast or hold my wings in a certain position while in a stall fight/stalled in the vertical or something like that.
Have you tried reversing the pedals? In other words when you push the left pedal in, you turn right and vice versa. Sometimes is just feels like a more correct action for what the twisty sticks guys are used to. I believe Grizz mentioned one time that he had his set up that way as the other way seemed backwards to him. That would totally screw me up, but I guess with some guys it has more of a natural feel to it.
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Had the Saitek peddles they lasted about 6 years not bad for a plastic toy I would say. :aok
I now have the CH peddles I think the CH is a better product but I do like the separation of the Saitek for us wider stance guys. :uhoh ?? :huh No I have not been hanging out at airport bathrooms.
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All Ch here. No issues at all.
Shuffler doen't have any junk to get in a bunch, his wife took it away years ago. :D
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I've been very happy with my SimPed pedals. I've had them for about 10 years now and they have worked flawlessly the entire time.
http://www.dhs-electronic.de/index2.php?id=200&lng=en (http://www.dhs-electronic.de/index2.php?id=200&lng=en)
$275.00 Euros is like 275.00 * 1.4 = $385.00 plus shipping!
too much for me.
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I thought once I needed rudder pedals, I got them, and realised I didn't need them :eek:
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I thought once I needed rudder pedals, I got them, and realised I didn't need them :eek:
Need? It's not about need, it's about fun and cool. Feels more like flying a real plane with pedals. Besides it's good traing for when your 747 it hit by a small plane, sucking the pilots out, and you have to take the controls and land it. :lol
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Need? It's not about need, it's about fun and cool. Feels more like flying a real plane with pedals. Besides it's good traing for when your 747 it hit by a small plane, sucking the pilots out, and you have to take the controls and land it. :lol
Oh yes!! :rofl
This gives me an idea about another thread..... :D
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Need? It's not about need, it's about fun and cool. Feels more like flying a real plane with pedals. Besides it's good traing for when your 747 it hit by a small plane, sucking the pilots out, and you have to take the controls and land it. :lol
:aok
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You'll be happy you chose the Saitek Combat Pedals OP, until the Simpeds get here, they are the best of the 3 types I have right now. They are also nearly 1/2 the price of the Simpeds, and if they break, you don't have to worry about sending them overseas. I AM very excited to see these Simpeds though truth be told.
Good luck with your conversion from twisty to pedals!
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That's odd. My CH pedals require enough force that they slide around on a floor a bit -- I had to put some non-skid under the base to keep them in place.
Do they look like these?
(http://www.asa2fly.com/images/Prod/Ptr/Cbt/Ctl/CH-USB-PEDALS_Std.jpg)
Want to make sure were talking about the same thing.
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I can certainly understand it taking a while to get used to the transition, especially if you're used to a twisty stick for any long amount of time. I used a 290 pro for only a few months before I ordered some pedals. So the twisty action habit wasn't too ingrained yet.
I think alot of guys make the mistake of trying to use the pedals too much when they start out. I basically just use them for fine adjustments when lining up at target. About the only time I really lay into them hard is when I'm trying to slow down real fast or hold my wings in a certain position while in a stall fight/stalled in the vertical or something like that.
Have you tried reversing the pedals? In other words when you push the left pedal in, you turn right and vice versa. Sometimes is just feels like a more correct action for what the twisty sticks guys are used to. I believe Grizz mentioned one time that he had his set up that way as the other way seemed backwards to him. That would totally screw me up, but I guess with some guys it has more of a natural feel to it.
The more I think about it, the more I think your correct. My feet want to move the same way my hand moved the twisty and which would mean a coordinated, left hand turn is twisting left, but that twist is coming from the right side of the handle (which would correspond with my right foot instead of my left foot). It's going to take a lot longer for me, lol
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The more I think about it, the more I think your correct. My feet want to move the same way my hand moved the twisty and which would mean a coordinated, left hand turn is twisting left, but that twist is coming from the right side of the handle (which would correspond with my right foot instead of my left foot). It's going to take a lot longer for me, lol
This is due to your "flexible Flyer" and bicycle training. The pivot steering of almost everyone is derived from the sleds and bicycles which rotate in the direction they are turning. In my brain, I've retrained myself to picture the cable that pulls the rudder to the left, when I step left, to turn the plane left. So now it is intuitive. :salute
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This is due to your "flexible Flyer" and bicycle training. The pivot steering of almost everyone is derived from the sleds and bicycles which rotate in the direction they are turning. In my brain, I've retrained myself to picture the cable that pulls the rudder to the left, when I step left, to turn the plane left. So now it is intuitive. :salute
Its just going to take a while...not to mention I haven't been flying much and that doesn't help.