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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FLOTSOM on March 14, 2012, 08:19:11 AM
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You're a 19 year old kid.
You're critically wounded and dying in the jungle somewhere in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam ..
It's November 11, 1967.
LZ (landing zone) X-ray.
Your unit is outnumbered 8-1 and the enemy fire is so intense from 100 yards away, that your CO (commanding officer) has ordered the helicopters to stop coming in.
You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns and you know you're not getting out.
Your family is half way around the world, 12,000 miles away, and you'll never see them again.
As the world starts to fade in and out, you know this is the day.
Then - over the machine gun noise - you faintly hear that sound of a helicopter.
You look up to see a Huey coming in. But.. It doesn't seem real because no MedEvac markings are on it.
Captain Ed Freeman is coming in for you.
He's not MedEvac so it's not his job, but he heard the radio call and decided he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire anyway.
Even after the MedEvacs were ordered not to come. He's coming anyway.
And he drops it in and sits there in the machine gun fire, as they load 3 of you at a time on board.
Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire to the doctors and nurses and safety.
And, he kept coming back!! 13 more times!! Until all the wounded were out. No one knew until the mission was over that the Captain had been hit 4 times in the legs and left arm.
He took 29 of you and your buddies out that day. Some would not have made it without the Captain and his Huey.
Medal of Honor Recipient, Captain Ed Freeman, United States Air Force, died last Wednesday at the age of 70, in Boise , Idaho
May God Bless and Rest His Soul.
I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we've sure heard a whole bunch about WhitneyHouston, Lindsay Lohan, Dr. Murray, that sicko Sandusky, and a 72- day sham marriage.
Shame on the media !!!
Medal of Honor Winner Captain Ed Freeman
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And like his Medal of Honor, it would be years before anyone would know. He died in 2008.
These things are all very awsome and heroic, and I agree that more needs to be done for these type of people, but at least note the fact that it would not have been "last Wednesday" that he died but actually Augut of 2008. Not that Wikipedia is anythingg more than truth by consensus, of course.
Freeman died on August 20, 2008 due to complications from Parkinson's disease.[2] He was buried with full military honors at the Idaho State Veterans Cemetery in Boise.[4]
In the 2002 film We Were Soldiers, which depicted the Battle of Ia Drang, Freeman was portrayed by Mark McCracken.[2] The post office in Freeman's hometown of McLain, Mississippi, was renamed the "Major Ed W. Freeman Post Office" in March 2009.[4]
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And like his Medal of Honor, it would be years before anyone would know. He died in 2008.
These things are all very awsome and heroic, and I agree that more needs to be done for these type of people, but at least note the fact that it would not have been "last Wednesday" that he died but actually Augut of 2008. Not that Wikipedia is anythingg more than truth by consensus, of course.
Freeman died on August 20, 2008 due to complications from Parkinson's disease.[2] He was buried with full military honors at the Idaho State Veterans Cemetery in Boise.[4]
In the 2002 film We Were Soldiers, which depicted the Battle of Ia Drang, Freeman was portrayed by Mark McCracken.[2] The post office in Freeman's hometown of McLain, Mississippi, was renamed the "Major Ed W. Freeman Post Office" in March 2009.[4]
hahaha you caught it too soon!!!!!
i figured that a conversation would start out first and then i would mention that oh by the way he passed away 2 years ago..... hahahaha
wanted to poke the bear a bit by harrasing the younger people here but also to take a moment to remind people, after all the talk and media noise of witless houston, of who the truly news worthy people in life are...
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Boo
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What about the 369th Harlem Hellfighters?????
One story about this unit has stuck with me for a long time.
The most celebrated man in the 369th was Pvt. Henry Lincoln Johnson, a former Albany, New York, rail station porter, who earned the nickname "Black Death" for his actions in combat in France. In May 1918 Johnson and Pvt. Needham Roberts fought off a 24-man German patrol, though both were severely wounded. After they expended their ammunition, Roberts used his rifle as a club and Johnson battled with a bolo knife. Johnson was the first American to receive the Croix de Guerre awarded by the French government. By the end of the war, 171 members of the 369th were awarded the Legion of Honor.[1]
Photographs show that the 369th carried the New York Regimental flag overseas. The French government awarded the regiment the Croix de Guerre with silver star for the taking of Séchault. It was pinned to the colors by General Lebouc at a ceremony in Germany, December 13, 1918.
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Hollywood should do a movie about these guys.
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Never forget!
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Hello,
Been telling you for ever in these boards. Don;t shame the media though. They only show us what we want to see. So, shame on us for making a performer more important than people that save lives.
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Hello,
Been telling you for ever in these boards. Don;t shame the media though. They only show us what we want to see. So, shame on us for making a performer more important than people that save lives.
:aok
This is true, the fault lies with us. Most hide their heads in their TV's (or Monitors) and don't get involved. The Tyrants in Power love to coddle their sheep and feed them little bits just enough to keep the subservient.
Evil triumph's when Good People do nothing.
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,245546.0.html
http://www.military.com/news/article/moh-recipient-ed-freeman-dies.html?ESRC=army-a.nl
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/freeman.asp
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,245546.0.html
http://www.military.com/news/article/moh-recipient-ed-freeman-dies.html?ESRC=army-a.nl
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/freeman.asp
my reference was to the local and leading type of news not military specific type of news. witless houston tied up news papers magazines tv ect for how long? and what was her greatest unselfish and selfless accomplishment? and now without doubt for the rest of our lives every year someone will make it a point to mark the day of her drug induced passing as so great loss to all mankind that it must be memorialized and we the sheeple must be reminded of it.....but yet a true hero's passing goes unnoticed and unremembered by the masses...just wanted to poke some fun at those to young to realize what is and what isnt really important these days.
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That military.com article was copyrighted by the Idaho Statesman. Ed Freeman was an Idaho resident. So at least local/state media took notice.
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He shouldn't have been in the helo, just one nut alone would put it over capacity. Though I usually cast a dark pall over any actions in war, this is an exception to the rule. He saved dozens of lives and fully deserved that medal. It's just a shame that we got embroiled in that meat grinder in the first place.
-Penguin
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He shouldn't have been in the helo, just one nut alone would put it over capacity. Though I usually cast a dark pall over any actions in war, this is an exception to the rule. He saved dozens of lives and fully deserved that medal. It's just a shame that we got embroiled in that meat grinder in the first place.
-Penguin
pen......HUSH child, the adults are speaking.
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I did not come to this forum to be hush. :cool:
-Penguin
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I did not come to this forum to be hush. :cool:
-Penguin
well you obviously didn't come to this forum to learn from your elders or to intelligently enter into a discussion either.
I'm not really caring that those who are around you pay your intelligence no mind, forcing you by want for attention to seek out others who are for all intents and purposes a captive audience. I'm just asking that either you find another captive audience to harass with your irrational insights, or you quietly observe what others have to say and then slowly and methodically compile a rational and reasonable responce with which to enter the conversation with. this spouting off at the mouth in every thread in an argumentative and contradictory fashion just to provoke the adults, because in your mind you believe yourself to be of superior intelligence to all us old fools, is actually getting to be just plain annoying.
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well you obviously didn't come to this forum to learn from your elders or to intelligently enter into a discussion either.
I'm not really caring that those who are around you pay your intelligence no mind, forcing you by want for attention to seek out others who are for all intents and purposes a captive audience. I'm just asking that either you find another captive audience to harass with your irrational insights, or you quietly observe what others have to say and then slowly and methodically compile a rational and reasonable responce with which to enter the conversation with. this spouting off at the mouth in every thread in an argumentative and contradictory fashion just to provoke the adults, because in your mind you believe yourself to be of superior intelligence to all us old fools, is actually getting to be just plain annoying.
QFT
thx floaty,been wanting to say something like this for quite some time now but........
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PS: couldnt have said it as nice as you!
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pen......HUSH child, the adults are speaking.
:rofl
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well you obviously didn't come to this forum to learn from your elders or to intelligently enter into a discussion either.
I'm not really caring that those who are around you pay your intelligence no mind, forcing you by want for attention to seek out others who are for all intents and purposes a captive audience. I'm just asking that either you find another captive audience to harass with your irrational insights, or you quietly observe what others have to say and then slowly and methodically compile a rational and reasonable responce with which to enter the conversation with. this spouting off at the mouth in every thread in an argumentative and contradictory fashion just to provoke the adults, because in your mind you believe yourself to be of superior intelligence to all us old fools, is actually getting to be just plain annoying.
Well said and spot on.
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He shouldn't have been in the helo, just one nut alone would put it over capacity. Though I usually cast a dark pall over any actions in war, this is an exception to the rule. He saved dozens of lives and fully deserved that medal. It's just a shame that we got embroiled in that meat grinder in the first place.
-Penguin
Again... you associate "war" with an automatic "dark pall" enigma, stop being so absolute. There are many things within a war that can be positive. Stop being so grandeur in your statements, you're not impressing anyone. Your knee jerking is getting the best of you.
People like Mr. Freeman are all that is right with this country. God Bless him and may he be resting in peace.
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well you obviously didn't come to this forum to learn from your elders or to intelligently enter into a discussion either.
I'm not really caring that those who are around you pay your intelligence no mind, forcing you by want for attention to seek out others who are for all intents and purposes a captive audience. I'm just asking that either you find another captive audience to harass with your irrational insights, or you quietly observe what others have to say and then slowly and methodically compile a rational and reasonable responce with which to enter the conversation with. this spouting off at the mouth in every thread in an argumentative and contradictory fashion just to provoke the adults, because in your mind you believe yourself to be of superior intelligence to all us old fools, is actually getting to be just plain annoying.
Occam's razor says otherwise. It's more likely that I disagree with most people here on most things than that I go out and try to figure out what really gets you all going while secretly agreeing with you. What's most likely is that I will debate if I disagree and feel confident in my idea, then I continue until the other poster and I come to an agreement. Obnoxious though it seems, consider the alternatives:
Leave the BBS (I've been here for years, so it's not like I'm pulling a prank)
Come here and lurk (For what other reason do we come here than to speak?)
Come here and voice my opinions until someone says "be quiet, child" and then give up like I'm Swiper from Dora the Explora.
Hang up my keyboard and stick to the joke threads (amusing, but not fulfilling)
Would you want to come here and do that? I do my best to stay within the rules and what I've come to call the code duello of discussion and debate with regard to tone and thesis statements. My discussions with mthrockor on economics are proof that I can respectfully disagree while maintaining my point and listening to the other person. Dissent is the fabric of discussion, and though I may jump the gun I genuinely like hearing what you guys have to say. Debating is like football, it's a contact sport, but you're not out for blood when you step on the field. Even then, I try to keep it no more aggressive than a properly played game of soccer.
Again... you associate "war" with an automatic "dark pall" enigma, stop being so absolute. There are many things within a war that can be positive. Stop being so grandeur in your statements, you're not impressing anyone. Your knee jerking is getting the best of you.
People like Mr. Freeman are all that is right with this country. God Bless him and may he be resting in peace.
I thought I made it clear that he was a brave man who acted with courage in the face of adversity, and that this contrasted to the overall dark nature of war. The very first thing that I said was an (albeit poor) attempt to copy the local joke that underscores bravery by illustrating how the large cojones of the person in question make otherwise mundane tasks difficult. While not all of war is napalm covered orphans, nothing good happens often, either, and even that little bit is so small that it must be neglected as random noise in order in order to evaluate the period without allowing our more current, refined ideas to color our evaluation of the past. That's what I was trying to say since the beginning. I should have been more clear. :o
-Penguin
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you do not discuss, you argue by parroting the views of others whom you have read, without personal rational ground or support while ever so unsubtly throwing $5.00 words around thinking you are all super-uber cool and clever.
well ill tell you something, the big words do nothing when spoken from a small intellect, and the only person you are impressing is yourself. to the majority of the adults, who post and read the posts of others, you are simply an annoying wanna-be know it all child.
i disagree, you should not have been more clear.......no you should have just been more quiet........
so here is some unsought advice.......dump the dictionary throw away the thesaurus step away from the wiki and go get yourself a life. your only young once, dont waste it trying to b.s. people, whom you have met only in a intardnet game and who you are likely never going to know in person, into believing you are so educated and so intellectual, cause honestly who, besides you, really cares how brilliant you think you are????
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I don't know how to put this any other way, so: When I go to the AH2 BBS, I do not come to act out a fantasy, troll, nor is any other part of what I do contrived. Penguin is only an alias that exists solely to protect my identity- it is not a separate persona. Neither do I purposefully use longer words in order to sound more intelligent; rather, it is the slow pace of the careful editing that I perform upon posts such as these that causes me to use them.
-Penguin
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I don't know how to put this any other way, so: When I go to the AH2 BBS, I do not come to act out a fantasy, troll, nor is any other part of what I do contrived. Penguin is only an alias that exists solely to protect my identity- it is not a separate persona. Neither do I purposefully use longer words in order to sound more intelligent; rather, it is the slow pace of the careful editing that I perform upon posts such as these that causes me to use them.
-Penguin
I see you've stumbled onto the wrong thread and hit your head. Let me escort you out. There you go, click the X.
Thanks,
FYB
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not laughing at the story....but damn Peng makes me laugh
Flots.....how long we known each other?
about 30 years if my memory serves correctly......we both know most people will never "get it" they are so full of themselves that they just cant look beyond, that is peng......
and ya....this society we happen to be thrust into is extremely messed up, and this is just one good/sad example.
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Occam's razor says otherwise. blah blah blah...
-Penguin
Really? Does it?
I have grown up with and served with ignorant turds like you. I can spot the overly grandiose wording and the shallow ramblings of fools like you a mile away. Your biggest problem is that you don't know the meaning of "I don't know." You have built a facade of intellect and wisdom that only fools the dupes around you. Anyone who has actually lived the things that you can only read about can see right through you. You have no real understanding of the world, just a wikiesque, academic glimpse of life and the world. You are probably brighter than most of your peers and I have no doubt that you wear it on your sleeve.
I take great pleasure in exposing fools like yourself for the frauds they are. Some day your mouth will get you into real trouble and you'll get a hard lesson in reality and hopefully humility.
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You're a 19 year old kid.
You're critically wounded and dying in the jungle somewhere in the Central Highlands of Viet Nam ..
It's November 11, 1967.
LZ (landing zone) X-ray.
Your unit is outnumbered 8-1 and the enemy fire is so intense from 100 yards away, that your CO (commanding officer) has ordered the helicopters to stop coming in.
You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns and you know you're not getting out.
Your family is half way around the world, 12,000 miles away, and you'll never see them again.
As the world starts to fade in and out, you know this is the day.
Then - over the machine gun noise - you faintly hear that sound of a helicopter.
You look up to see a Huey coming in. But.. It doesn't seem real because no MedEvac markings are on it.
Captain Ed Freeman is coming in for you.
He's not MedEvac so it's not his job, but he heard the radio call and decided he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire anyway.
Even after the MedEvacs were ordered not to come. He's coming anyway.
And he drops it in and sits there in the machine gun fire, as they load 3 of you at a time on board.
Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire to the doctors and nurses and safety.
And, he kept coming back!! 13 more times!! Until all the wounded were out. No one knew until the mission was over that the Captain had been hit 4 times in the legs and left arm.
He took 29 of you and your buddies out that day. Some would not have made it without the Captain and his Huey.
Medal of Honor Recipient, Captain Ed Freeman, United States Air Force, died last Wednesday at the age of 70, in Boise , Idaho
May God Bless and Rest His Soul.
I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we've sure heard a whole bunch about WhitneyHouston, Lindsay Lohan, Dr. Murray, that sicko Sandusky, and a 72- day sham marriage.
Shame on the media !!!
Medal of Honor Winner Captain Ed Freeman
what really pisses me off is how some "patriotic people" are so fast on post news that are misleading such as the passing of this true hero. that email you got has been around for a long time. and hero's like him deserve to be recognized for what they did not for some other stupid reason such as this posting.
I consider some people worst than crap for using a hero's passing for some grandstanding bs.
floatsome I am disappointing you didnt check the "facts" before you posted that letter. and the above comments are not directed at you they are directed to those who pass on such bs chain emails.
semp
edit: didnt read the whole thread but perhaps some checking should be done on the number of times he flew back and forth and the number of wounded he took out.
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oh here's more hero's that were ignored by the media.
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-van-barfoot-20120310,0,3456235.story
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-passings-20120104,0,2712314.story
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-charles-murray-20110818,0,2712351.story
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-paul-wiedorfer-20110531,0,3962119.story
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-barney-hajiro-20110128,0,2353666.story
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-passings-20101223,0,2712315.story
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-john-finn-20100528,0,5720051.story
and that is just a few months, I covered.
semp
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Really? Does it?
I have grown up with and served with ignorant turds like you. I can spot the overly grandiose wording and the shallow ramblings of fools like you a mile away. Your biggest problem is that you don't know the meaning of "I don't know." You have built a facade of intellect and wisdom that only fools the dupes around you. Anyone who has actually lived the things that you can only read about can see right through you. You have no real understanding of the world, just a wikiesque, academic glimpse of life and the world. You are probably brighter than most of your peers and I have no doubt that you wear it on your sleeve.
I take great pleasure in exposing fools like yourself for the frauds they are. Some day your mouth will get you into real trouble and you'll get a hard lesson in reality and hopefully humility.
Occam's razor supports me because it takes fewer assumptions to prove that I do not agree with everyone than it does to prove that I am a troll who secretly agrees with everything posted here but annoys for his own amusement. Not know the meaning of I don't know? Ridiculous- I'm an agnostic, my whole world view is based on not knowing. Do you hear me talking about physics here? No. A Walter Mitty character would do things like that, but I do not. Think of all the questions that I ask, many of them simply entertaining (favorite book) or about things that I don't understand (e.g., why Masherbrum thinks I'm old). I have no facade built for anyone, and if I did it sure fooled me, too.
What would you consider humble? Clearly, admitting mistakes, recognizing altruist heroes, and being shocked by how much raw brainpower certain posters have is not enough.
-Penguin
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Really? Does it?
I have grown up with and served with ignorant turds like you. I can spot the overly grandiose wording and the shallow ramblings of fools like you a mile away. Your biggest problem is that you don't know the meaning of "I don't know." You have built a facade of intellect and wisdom that only fools the dupes around you. Anyone who has actually lived the things that you can only read about can see right through you. You have no real understanding of the world, just a wikiesque, academic glimpse of life and the world. You are probably brighter than most of your peers and I have no doubt that you wear it on your sleeve.
I take great pleasure in exposing fools like yourself for the frauds they are. Some day your mouth will get you into real trouble and you'll get a hard lesson in reality and hopefully humility.
Occam's razor supports me because it takes fewer assumptions to prove that I do not agree with everyone than it does to prove that I am a troll who secretly agrees with everything posted here but annoys for his own amusement. Not know the meaning of I don't know? Ridiculous- I'm an agnostic, my whole world view is based on not knowing. Do you hear me talking about physics here? No. A Walter Mitty character would do things like that, but I do not. Think of all the questions that I ask, many of them simply entertaining (favorite book) or about things that I don't understand (e.g., why Masherbrum thinks I'm old). I have no facade built for anyone, and if I did it sure fooled me, too.
What would you consider humble? Clearly, admitting mistakes, recognizing altruist heroes, and being shocked by how much raw brainpower certain posters have is not enough.
-Penguin
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floatsome I am disappointing you didnt check the "facts" before you posted that letter. and the above comments are not directed at you they are directed to those who pass on such bs chain emails.
semp
i did know and acknowledge that this was old news, as i stated earlier. my point to the posting was to show how much we hear about people who, in the real matters of life, have done nothing. we call junkies and druggies, like witless houston, a hero and cover her with accolades and honors that a man who risked life and limb, not just once but repeatedly to save the lives of those he did not know, was not deemed worthy of.
i am not patriotic, but i admire any one who will throw his life to the wolves to save and protect others, be they soldier police fireman ems ect ect..hell even joe nobody off the street who runs into the burning building to look for those in need of services....their names should be known, their names should be honored, not entertainers or athletes or any other superficial type of employment that never puts their life or safety at risk.
its like the british fashion of knighting entertainers and such......how exactly did they win a warriors glory when they sang a song or pretended to be a soldier for a camera?
we live in a very pathetic world
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Occam's razor BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
-Penguin
actually anyone who read your continuous drivel reaches the conclusion that you are an attention hungry self back patting wanna be know it all child with no real life experience with the fewest assumptions. you take it out of t world of assumption and make it real world fact by your repeated postings.
you are ignorant in the real life applications of the issues in which you speak, you parrot what others have said and attempt to claim these thoughts as your own, you throw big words and theories around cause you think it will impress the unwashed masses.........grow up.
you are an intelligent person, but you have very little knowledge and definitely no wisdom.......you must seek out and learn all that you can, set forth upon your personal journey applying what you learn to the living of life, all while unlearning every lesson once taught, forgetting all that you thought you knew, to obtain understanding of how life works......only then you will begin to glimpse life for what it is and what it could be.
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actually anyone who read your continuous drivel reaches the conclusion that you are an attention hungry self back patting wanna be know it all child with no real life experience with the fewest assumptions. you take it out of t world of assumption and make it real world fact by your repeated postings.
you are ignorant in the real life applications of the issues in which you speak, you parrot what others have said and attempt to claim these thoughts as your own, you throw big words and theories around cause you think it will impress the unwashed masses.........grow up.
you are an intelligent person, but you have very little knowledge and definitely no wisdom.......you must seek out and learn all that you can, set forth upon your personal journey applying what you learn to the living of life, all while unlearning every lesson once taught, forgetting all that you thought you knew, to obtain understanding of how life works......only then you will begin to glimpse life for what it is and what it could be.
Self back-patting? No, I have quite the opposite problem. Attention hungry? Relative to what? A hermit? That's rather tough to define without a frame of reference. I love how you complain about my postings when you're going out of your way to attack me. I never do that, but yet you seem intent on it. Anyway, I don't just talk to other people about this stuff, I even talk to myself about it out loud (bad habit, I know :o ) on the way home from school daily. This is what I do.
:aok
-Penguin
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I don't know how to put this any other way, so: When I go to the AH2 BBS, I do not come to act out a fantasy, troll, nor is any other part of what I do contrived. Penguin is only an alias that exists solely to protect my identity- it is not a separate persona. Neither do I purposefully use longer words in order to sound more intelligent; rather, it is the slow pace of the careful editing that I perform upon posts such as these that causes me to use them.
-Penguin
The point being Penguin. Every thread isn't about you. Part of growing up is learning when to be quiet too. That' what folks are trying to get across to you. At this point no one really cares about your latest wall of text. It contributes nothing to the discussion.
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I can make fewer threads, sure.
-Penguin
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I can make fewer threads, sure.
-Penguin
You've missed the entire point. Which is, ironically, our point.