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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JunkyII on March 23, 2012, 07:42:29 AM
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Lets keep this non political.
I wasn't home for the rise in gas prices as some of you know so it was a complete shock when I first went to the pump. I was just wondering, since we have people around the world here...
What were you paying for gas a year ago for a fuel tank? What are you paying now? What type of vechicle? And where at?
In Maryland I was paying $50 for a fuel tank now its $60 for my Jeep....In New York(Where I'm stationed) it went from $55 to $70.
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Filled the Wrangler (19 gallons) this morning for ~ $65.
$3.87/gallon
I stuck the nozzle into my gas tank, bent over and cried "RAPE" :furious
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Honestly I don't know. When my gas tank gets low I fill it up. The price is always different and I don't get anything out of trying to find the cheapest gas.
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Currently I'm paying $4.01/gal for 91 Octane in AZ. I don't remember what it was last year but two years ago it was about the same. In the time between it dropped to $3.85ish (I think) and now went back up to $4. Refueled a few days ago, I believe the total price was $56, but my tank was not completely empty.
Thankfully Jet A is not really rising, $5.75/gal.
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Every station around here was at $3.95 on Wednesday and my 2003 Jaguar X-Type was almost on "E". While on the way to my usual place I saw a Marathon at $3.65. Filled up with 93 octane for $42.
That'll normally get me about 2 weeks since I live 5 miles from work. Average 22 miles per gallon.
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Just paid $4.20 U.S./gallon for 93 octane. A tank full (13 gallons) usually lasts between 475 and 500 miles.
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Just paid $4.20 U.S./gallon for 93 octane. A tank full (13 gallons) usually lasts between 475 and 500 miles.
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What kind of moped do you own?
I'm hard-pressed to get 200 city/300 hwy
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Filled the Wrangler (19 gallons) this morning for ~ $65.
$3.87/gallon
I stuck the nozzle into my gas tank, bent over and cried "RAPE" :furious
Just filled my Wrangler last night. $3.79/gallon. No idea the total cost, I rarely look. 14.7 gallons though. Mid grade is $3.94, and what I usually put in when it gets warmer. Yuo know the 4.0 penchant for knocking due to that uber lean condition they run in. Never in my life have I read an owners manual that said "knocking is normal" until this one. :bhead
The badd part of my fuel is I drive 5 miles each way to work. I get about 12-13 miles per gallon, 16 if I travel. But I run offroad quite frequently in the summer, so back down to 11 mpg.
Bob
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What kind of moped do you own?
I'm hard-pressed to get 200 city/300 hwy
He's got a Mini Cooper.
LOL, size does matter! :rofl
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West coast of Canada here. Yesterday I paid $1.35/L. Sounds good till you multiply by US gallons, (3.78). That comes to $ 5.10/gallon. Not so good. :cry Thats for Regular.
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Just paid $4.20 U.S./gallon for 93 octane. A tank full (13 gallons) usually lasts between 475 and 500 miles.
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I thought you were in Texas where not only do you have your own refineries, but oil fields to supply them as well.
Here in Jersey near me it ranges from $3.59- $3.65. But more as you near the turnpike. The highest I've seen it here was $3.83. And that was about a month ago.
We have our own refineries. But not much in the way of fields.
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We're up to $3.89/gal here. Last year this time it was about $3.50 or so. It's been well above $3 for a long long time now!
I drive an '89 Festiva. It's my dad's old car and the front is all busted up from him hitting a deer but she runs well, the hood works and the lights work so that's good enough for me! I haven't cracked the 50MPG mark just yet but I came close averaging 48.8MPG on one tank.
It's hard to give a figure on how far I can get to a tank as I never wait until it's empty before filling it up (less of a sticker shock that way). That's a moot point anyway considering every car has a different size tank. 500 miles to a tank sure sound nice but what if you have a 50 gallon tank? Then not so much...
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Just paid $4.20 U.S./gallon for 93 octane. A tank full (13 gallons) usually lasts between 475 and 500 miles.
Is that for the Cobra?
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Is that for the Cobra?
LOL! No. I am still building the Cobra. Been playing with some intake designs and various other intake/exhaust tidbits. Still have a lot of work to do. Hope to have it on the road in a year, or so.
If the Cobra gets over 15 miles to the gallon, I will be happy.
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Just filled my Wrangler last night. $3.79/gallon. No idea the total cost, I rarely look. 14.7 gallons though. Mid grade is $3.94, and what I usually put in when it gets warmer. Yuo know the 4.0 penchant for knocking due to that uber lean condition they run in. Never in my life have I read an owners manual that said "knocking is normal" until this one. :bhead
The badd part of my fuel is I drive 5 miles each way to work. I get about 12-13 miles per gallon, 16 if I travel. But I run offroad quite frequently in the summer, so back down to 11 mpg.
Bob
Yeah, I'm getting ready to start with the mid-grade again :furious
I'm about 8 miles each way to work with a lot of stop-n-go traffic, sometimes. I'm seriously considering a moped :noid
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LOL! No. I am still building the Cobra. Been playing with some intake designs and various other intake/exhaust tidbits. Still have a lot of work to do. Hope to have it on the road in a year, or so.
Oh for some reason I thought that you said that you were done in one of the threads, I must be mixing it up with something else then.
If the Cobra gets over 15 miles to the gallon, I will be happy.
LMAO
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LOL! No. I am still building the Cobra. Been playing with some intake designs and various other intake/exhaust tidbits. Still have a lot of work to do. Hope to have it on the road in a year, or so.
If the Cobra gets over 15 miles to the gallon, I will be happy.
That's still better than my brick on wheels...
On the other hand, my stepfather has a '69 GTO with a 400 Ram-Air IV with rochester trips on it (manual linkage) and when you open the secondary's, you can almost watch the gas gauge go down...
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Yeah, I'm getting ready to start with the mid-grade again :furious
I'm about 8 miles each way to work with a lot of stop-n-go traffic, sometimes. I'm seriously considering a moped :noid
Gotta get a Vespa. Too much fun to say. :lol So you must get about the same mileage as me. Or, more the the Jeep world, footage. :D
My next purchase will be a Honda dual sport for commuting. I used to have a 1983 XL600, I want another one, I think next year. Greeat for the commute, great for trail scouting, good 7-9 months of use up here.
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Oh for some reason I thought that you said that you were done in one of the threads, I must be mixing it up with something else then.
LMAO
Most of the Cobra owners I know are getting between 8 and 10 MPG. I figure I can up the efficiency of the engine. Lots of room for improvement in the old overhead valve V8 design.
We decided to build a new home, so I could get a proper man cave to work in. Once I got a 4 axis CNC mill, CNC lathe, 20 ton hydraulic press, 24" metal brake, and a 48" vacuum former I was stumbling about trying to work.
The Cobra has been put aside (in storage) while that is happening. I am diddling on the engine design in my computer.
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3.97 a gallon, 26 gallon tank...over 100 to fill the truck.
2011 Silverado 1500...luckily it has flex fuel...saves me a little bit.
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I drive a 2500 HD Diesel Crew Cab.... I just fill it up when needed and go.
I think it was 4.09 gal last fill up.
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~3.80/gal here (Mountains of VA), with a 32 gallon tank (2003 F-250 @ ~10-18MPG) you all can do the math. :P
Much as it was old and not in great shape...do miss the old '95 Civic (flipped it). Thing could putt around at 40MPG all day long and only took about $35 to fill.
Prices are about the same as they have been for the past year for me, but I buy it too often to want to pay attention.
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£1.47/l for super unleaded here - thats about $8.80/US Gall ... which explains why we dont all drive around in 7l V8s ...
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3.59 for the 87 octane here.......and i just paid 3.79 to put 93 in my gt.
what has to happen to get the price back to normal, is to remove oil from day traders....or futures traders......get it back to the normal supply/demand like it used to be.
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Phoenix AZ here also, ~4$ per gallon for 91 Octane (would love to have access to 93 octane or better)
Vette fillups run tween 50-60$ ..usually at the 1/4 mark because I hate runnin outta gas.
I fill it up about once a month - month and and a half.
She gets about 24mpg around town, just over 30mpg on the freeway at ~70mph.
Stock LS-1 with a decent exhaust .. ~300+hp at the rear wheels.
Being 'retired' I do not drive it every day
.. about twice a week average, with a monthly Club cruise now and then.
April 17th is Cruise Central Avenue night ..oohh yaa .. gotta do *that* ..burnouts an all :)
Skuzzy, sounds like yer gettin a very nice toy shop setup :)
Would be fun to play there for a fact :)
-Frank aka GE
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Most of the Cobra owners I know are getting between 8 and 10 MPG. I figure I can up the efficiency of the engine. Lots of room for improvement in the old overhead valve V8 design.
We decided to build a new home, so I could get a proper man cave to work in. Once I got a 4 axis CNC mill, CNC lathe, 20 ton hydraulic press, 24" metal brake, and a 48" vacuum former I was stumbling about trying to work.
The Cobra has been put aside (in storage) while that is happening. I am diddling on the engine design in my computer.
Sounds nice.
Just out of curiosity will you be able to make it to work on a single tank? Not that you'd want to use it for that every day but still.
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Regular = US$6.85 per gallon
Hi Octane = US$7.50 per gallon
That's up about 20% from a year ago.
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(would love to have access to 93 octane or better)
Yeah I never understood that. On the east coast you can get 93 at any gas station, in the SW if you want something higher than 91 you have to go to the track and even there you'll have 100 and no 93.
So any idea why they don't sell 93 in the SW?
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Been taking the bus or walking to the store(s) in the winter (3 blks), car's been in garage.
Weather's been really nice lately, so I drive to Lake County, Illinois to get cigs and/or gasoline to save $$$... on my Yamaha 4.5 US Gals - 45-50 MPG
Speedway Gas, Lake County, Illinois - Unl:4.369 - Plus:4.469 - Prem:4.569
Sign of the times here in the City of Chicago, Cook County...
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(http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq288/Xtrepid/chicago2.jpg)
NEXT WEEK...
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X :salute
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Regular = US$6.85 per gallon
Hi Octane = US$7.50 per gallon
That's up about 20% from a year ago.
What's regular?
Based on those prices I'd say it's 100 octane but people don't normally call it "regular".
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Been taking the bus or walking to the store(s) in the winter (3 blks), car's been in garage.
Weather's been really nice lately, so I drive to Lake County, Illinois to get cigs and/or gasoline to save $$$... on my Yamaha 4.5 US Gals - 45-50 MPG
Speedway Gas, Lake County, Illinois - Unl:4.369 - Plus:4.469 - Prem:4.569
Sign of the times here in the City of Chicago, Cook County...
(http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq288/Xtrepid/CHICAGO.jpg)
(http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq288/Xtrepid/chicago2.jpg)
NEXT WEEK...
(http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq288/Xtrepid/lol.jpg)
X :salute
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Skuzzy, sounds like yer gettin a very nice toy shop setup :)
Would be fun to play there for a fact :)
-Frank aka GE
Oh yeah. Going to be nice.
It is about the size of a 2 1/2 car (width) and 2 car deep car (depth) garage with a swing down divider so I can have a paint booth. The other side will have a 4 post lift and a 12 foot ceiling. Along the back will be the machine shop tools. Small bead blaster cabinet (4'x4'x3') being added to the mix.
I would also like to add a powder coat booth. It will have to be later.
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What's regular?
Based on those prices I'd say it's 100 octane but people don't normally call it "regular".
I'm in Japan, that's why it's so expensive. Regular is 87 octane.
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I'm in Japan, that's why it's so expensive. Regular is 87 octane.
WOW that is very expensive.
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160 bucks a week for me to fill up. :cry I'm considering buying a Amish buggy and team of mules :frown:
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Welp, I'm going to stop whining about high gas prices....some of you are paying a lot more :D
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2.33$ / L
8.82$ / US Gallon
Up 0.85$ / Gallon since new year.
:cry
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Usually about $50 to fill up. I normally just drive around town though and fill up once every couple of weeks.
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Paid $ 9.85 per gal. here 256.10 (26 Gal) to fill up in the Netherlands :mad:
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3.89 here in bellows falls vt. was watching the prices at a gas station a couple weeks ago, there was a .31 cent change in 2 weeks. went fron 3.71 to 3.83 and everywhere in between. seemed like it changed everyday. the wife drives my truck 03 2500 hd, 8 gpm in town (lol mpg) and maybe 16 on highway over 100 a week. I drive a 96 jimmy never fill it I only drive it to work which is about 4 miles away, just put 20 or so a week. I wish it would just go up to 6 and get it over stick it in my touchhole ONCE and get it all over instead of teasing it lol.
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39 gallons at $3.66 into the excursion, I never seem to get close to the 44 gallon capacity.
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And this is why I'm going to suck it up and get a wimpy electric car :confused:
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And this is why I'm going to suck it up and get a wimpy electric car :confused:
You better rethink that. I read a report the other day about the Chevy Volt, and it claimed that the cost per mile to operate was quite a bit higher then the gas models we already have in the marketplace. Buy a Harley instead.
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You better rethink that. I read a report the other day about the Chevy Volt, and it claimed that the cost per mile to operate was quite a bit higher then the gas models we already have in the marketplace. Buy a Harley instead.
Was leaning more towards Fords new electric or maybe the Nissan Leaf, although I have been looking at quite a few Honda bikes lately, I finally get my license this year since I'm finally employed but ironically its the year gas gets to 5 bucks :cry
Also i'm not the biggest fan of Chevy, Flame me all you want I can't have an honest opinion i've never EVER ridden in anything except a Ford, Honda and a Dodge my grandparents own
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---looks like ill be buying a chevy volt in the future... someone in MA got it to 140 MPG by extending something or whatever and its supposed to be 91mpg? i dont remember...
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Since insurance gave me a nice amount of money for sinking my truck, I bought a 04 f150 and gas is 3.99 cost me like 100$ to fill the tanks. :(
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49.5 gallon tank @ 4.35 for super = $215.32 which is just little over 1,025 miles on a full tank
That will be one arm and one leg :mad:
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Is getting the higher octane gas really worth it? It burns better or whatever, but does the better mileage outweigh the price?
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---looks like ill be buying a chevy volt in the future... someone in MA got it to 140 MPG by extending something or whatever and its supposed to be 91mpg? i dont remember...
Its over priced and really isn't all that useful, there are pure electric cars that leave the volt in the dust without a drop of gas
From what I recall reading a month ago (To lazy to look up) you get between 30-40 miles on the battery then its back to a gas engine. With the Nissan Leaf for example you get a 100 miles range, and a minimum of 60 miles if you abuse the heck out of it
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works out to around $4.23/gallon
its only a 11 mile drive to work though.
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Is getting the higher octane gas really worth it? It burns better or whatever, but does the better mileage outweigh the price?
it is ONLY of bennefit in forced induction or high compression or engines tuned for it. Higher octane fuel doesn't burn better, it is just more resistant to combustion to prevent predetonation.
People who put it in cars tuned for lower octane are throwing $$$ dwn the drain and if they claim their car runs better then there is probably some other issue.
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Its over priced and really isn't all that useful, there are pure electric cars that leave the volt in the dust without a drop of gas
From what I recall reading a month ago (To lazy to look up) you get between 30-40 miles on the battery then its back to a gas engine. With the Nissan Leaf for example you get a 100 miles range, and a minimum of 60 miles if you abuse the heck out of it
i also read a month back that this man had his nail 140MPG... so haha... i have no idea
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why don't we have those Hydrogen cars mass marketed already?
surely it is time the people of the world Unite and take down the big oil companies :old:
would cost me £60 ($90) to fill my tank which would get me 400 miles. :cry
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i also read a month back that this man had his nail 140MPG... so haha... i have no idea
when you look at the extra cost of the vehicle and compare to what you might save in gas it doesn't save you anything compared to a reasonably efficient sedan.
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65 bucks for a large bag of dogsled fuel,last about a month! Not sure what the MPB is{miles per bag},they use fuel wheter you run them or not! :devil
Roy,the powdercoat booth sound great,but isnt the oven part abit expensive to run on a small scale? I have a buddy who powdercoats small parts and uses an old stove to "bake" them!
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why don't we have those Hydrogen cars mass marketed already?
surely it is time the people of the world Unite and take down the big oil companies :old:
would cost me £60 ($90) to fill my tank which would get me 400 miles. :cry
Consumers wouldn't want to pay for expense of H2 cars. Forcing emerging technologies to market before they are ready is a foolish idea.
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I dont know how the rest of yall feel but, I cant haul my sled in a car, cant get lumber in a car, cant haul dirt or stone in a car, so I guess I wont be purchasing a car anytime soon, Ill just keep on sucking the fuel down. :mad: :(
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It sell for 1.41$/L (or 5.34$/USG) up here.
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---looks like ill be buying a chevy volt in the future... someone in MA got it to 140 MPG by extending something or whatever and its supposed to be 91mpg? i dont remember...
not 91mpg. more like 40.
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Its over priced and really isn't all that useful, there are pure electric cars that leave the volt in the dust without a drop of gas
From what I recall reading a month ago (To lazy to look up) you get between 30-40 miles on the battery then its back to a gas engine. With the Nissan Leaf for example you get a 100 miles range, and a minimum of 60 miles if you abuse the heck out of it
where does the electricity come from?
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Its over priced and really isn't all that useful, there are pure electric cars that leave the volt in the dust without a drop of gas
From what I recall reading a month ago (To lazy to look up) you get between 30-40 miles on the battery then its back to a gas engine. With the Nissan Leaf for example you get a 100 miles range, and a minimum of 60 miles if you abuse the heck out of it
the battery goes about 35 miles. then the gas engine kicks in to start running the electrics, and/or recharging the battery.
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when you look at the extra cost of the vehicle and compare to what you might save in gas it doesn't save you anything compared to a reasonably efficient sedan.
THIS.
this also holds true for just about any of the hybrids.
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Filled the Wrangler (19 gallons) this morning for ~ $65.
$3.87/gallon
I stuck the nozzle into my gas tank, bent over and cried "RAPE" :furious
87 Oct.? If you call that RAPE you might want to keep your children locked inside when I roll into town - eager for my serving at your local station for only $3.87, man that's nice!
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Just paid $4.20 U.S./gallon for 93 octane. A tank full (13 gallons) usually lasts between 475 and 500 miles.
I paid $4.219 per gallon of 87 last night. That's pretty high for Texas...
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Welp, I'm going to stop whining about high gas prices....some of you are paying a lot more :D
Wait, what?... but I've only started bi!@#n'!
OK, but seriously, I'm actually happier walking out of this thread than I came walking in, and that's rare. Seems compared to the nation, CAs aren't overly-inflated.
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You paid 4.21... It must have gone down, I got it for 4.19 a gallon. Norcal slightly cheaper maybe?
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3.97 a gallon, 26 gallon tank...over 100 to fill the truck.
2011 Silverado 1500...luckily it has flex fuel...saves me a little bit.
I feel your pain 2005 4dr 2500 Silverado and a 2010 4dr 2500 Silverado $100 to fill each one
Thank god my company gives me a car.....and a gas card :D
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To bad here in US, the people can't buy the diesel variety of cars like the ford focus which is sold in United Kingdom and Europe. 3.79 gallon in Wis. I have not filled my 92 honda accord latley.
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To bad here in US, the people can't buy the diesel variety of cars like the ford focus which is sold in United Kingdom and Europe. 3.79 gallon in Wis.
^^^ This. I'd love a diesel wagon for work. 50mpg in a car that actually is functional.
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To bad here in US, the people can't buy the diesel variety of cars like the ford focus which is sold in United Kingdom and Europe. 3.79 gallon in Wis. I have not filled my 92 honda accord latley.
diesel is over $4/gallon here in nj
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I just siphon the gas from my neighbors gas tank
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^^^ This. I'd love a diesel wagon for work. 50mpg in a car that actually is functional.
i almost got an old mercedes diesel for cheap....like under 500 bucks cheap. the mechanic across the street beat me to it. :cry
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I just siphon the gas from my neighbors gas tank
you say that jokingly......but the last time gas hit 4/gallon, people were punching holes in gas tanks, and draining them. one of my friends runs a napa....they got 3 of his trucks.
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i almost got an old mercedes diesel for cheap....like under 500 bucks cheap. the mechanic across the street beat me to it. :cry
I'm desperately trying to find an inexpensive diesel Jetta wagon for work.
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Filled the Wrangler (19 gallons) this morning for ~ $65.
$3.87/gallon
I stuck the nozzle into my gas tank, bent over and cried "RAPE" :furious
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sad but true with me too. I have a 16 gallon tank in my Subaru Impreza, but still none the less, $3.87 is rape. I remember a year ago it was around $3.00......
I'm desperately trying to find an inexpensive diesel Jetta wagon for work.
no offense, good luck. unless you strike lucky like CAP did, anything good on fuel that will last forever if maintained will cost you an arm and a leg.
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No offense, good luck. unless you strike lucky like CAP did, anything good on fuel that will last forever if maintained will cost you an arm and a leg.
yep! But I'm a patient shopper with connections. I picked up a pristine Ford Excursion Limited for $5900, heck of a deal.
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yep! But I'm a patient shopper with connections. I picked up a pristine Ford Excursion Limited for $5900, heck of a deal.
connections are always good. long as you arent pressured for a vehicle you have no reason to not be patient for a good deal.
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I thought you were in Texas where not only do you have your own refineries, but oil fields to supply them as well.
Here in Jersey near me it ranges from $3.59- $3.65. But more as you near the turnpike. The highest I've seen it here was $3.83. And that was about a month ago.
We have our own refineries. But not much in the way of fields.
Jersey is weird, most of the gas stations use the Bayway refinery. I would have to pay about an extra dime a gallon every ten miles closer
to the refinery I got. :D
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where does the electricity come from?
The sky...1.21 Gigawatts Marty McFly! :lol
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it is ONLY of bennefit in forced induction or high compression or engines tuned for it. Higher octane fuel doesn't burn better, it is just more resistant to combustion to prevent predetonation.
People who put it in cars tuned for lower octane are throwing $$$ dwn the drain and if they claim their car runs better then there is probably some other issue.
Used to crack me up when guys would come in trying to buy 100 Low Lead Avgas for their cars. "It runs better!"
Bet they never noticed the nice grey residue in the exhaust pipe...100LL has 8X more lead than leaded autogas did.
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you say that jokingly......but the last time gas hit 4/gallon, people were punching holes in gas tanks, and draining them. one of my friends runs a napa....they got 3 of his trucks.
yeah I know. now idiots are trying to cut power lines so they can recycle the copper to pay for their meth. 2 of those idiots caused me a power outage but at least they died
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Dang Skuzzy,
I'm figuring about 4,000 sq ft minimal for your man cave without future expansions, 480 volt wiring, expensive lighting. You left out your welding and finishing areas, and a massive air compressor and air lines in your posts. With a Vacuum former, you will need either a WaterJet or Laser to pre-cut your material, add another 1,000 sq ft. and machinery costs.
God bless you Skuzzy for keeping our economy rocking! This man deserves a Tax break.(The 1% I depend on for employment) where would we be if the government took all of their money? forced to work at Gunpoint.
Skuzzy has my utmost respect, After babysitting us, he goes home and produces products.(I always thought he was just the "Hitman" for High Tech) my bad.
GL on your endeavors, I'm still trying to crunch the numbers, I'm amazed! This is only part of his garage.
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I not sure what my post has to do with the price of gas, here in Utah,reg 3.59...plus 3.71...Pre.....3.82
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It cost me the equivalent of $33.65 to fill my old car up the tank is roughly 26gallons.These prices are in Oman ,the UK cost would be $221.62 , i am very glad i no longer live in the UK.
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I have an Expedition, which has a 30 gallon tank. Last year it would cost me $50-60 to fill up.
Now $60 is only three quarters of a tank. So now it's about 90 bucks for me to fill up.
Anyone want to buy an Expedition? Tons of space.
Good highway mpg, but short trips are a killer.
Of course mine are mainly short trips.
The folks in Europe (Germany) are paying more per litre than we are for a gallon.
:cheers: Oz
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It sell for 1.41$/L (or 5.34$/USG) up here.
I filled last evening here,Windsor,Ontario 1.30CAD/L ,4.90 USD/gal.I know you guys always pay more in Quebec. Hmm, Canada is the largest oil exporter to United States, and we are paying 20-25% more, well we have "free" health care. :rock
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Jersey is weird, most of the gas stations use the Bayway refinery. I would have to pay about an extra dime a gallon every ten miles closer
to the refinery I got. :D
i believe the sunoco refiniery down by west deptford closed.....
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That one too? I know the one over in Marcus Hook stopped ops and looking for a buyer.
:cheers: Oz
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That one too? I know the one over in Marcus Hook stopped ops and looking for a buyer.
:cheers: Oz
yea. i think one in pa closed too. i read it somewhere, because between them, they accounted for about 20% of the gas in the northeast.
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Wow. Prices keep climbing, maybe time to start riding a Horse :rofl
I bet the Amish over in Pa. are laughing and saying I told you so.
Kind of ironic since Oil was first discovered in Pa.
:cheers: Oz
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Last week, I saw $4.19 for 93 premium.
I just finished a replacement engine for my car that has dished instead of flattop pistons so I can run 87 octane at 6 pounds of boost and bring it up to 15 pounds with 93 and 25 pounds with C16.
The price difference between grades has increased greatly and it makes sense at this price point.
The other contigency I have is a turbodiesel inline six in storage I might install into a 240sx in a quest for 40mpg with the same performance (or better) as in stock configuration.
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It's £1.359 per litre down the road from me. That's £6.1155 per gallon, tap in the exchange rate - and that's that's $9.705 a gallon.
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yeah I know. now idiots are trying to cut power lines so they can recycle the copper to pay for their meth. 2 of those idiots caused me a power outage but at least they died
they've been stealing copper, brass, and other metals from construction sites around here. a good friend of mine lives across the street from a closed down loony bin. she said that there were police over there at least 2x a week due to people breaking in, and stealing anything made of metal.
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Last week, I saw $4.19 for 93 premium.
I just finished a replacement engine for my car that has dished instead of flattop pistons so I can run 87 octane at 6 pounds of boost and bring it up to 15 pounds with 93 and 25 pounds with C16.
The price difference between grades has increased greatly and it makes sense at this price point.
The other contigency I have is a turbodiesel inline six in storage I might install into a 240sx in a quest for 40mpg with the same performance (or better) as in stock configuration.
none of this gas pricing makes sense. 6 years ago, oil was $105/barrel. gas was $1.75/gallon. right now, oil is $105(i think)/barrel. gas is $3.61.
THANKS DAY/FUTURES TRADERS, AND FRIGGIN GLOBAL MARKET!!!
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Gas prices finally caught up to inflation.
They have been artificially low as compared to other products through the last 30 years.
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they've been stealing copper, brass, and other metals from construction sites around here. a good friend of mine lives across the street from a closed down loony bin. she said that there were police over there at least 2x a week due to people breaking in, and stealing anything made of metal.
In Philly and the surrounding communitys they are breaking into homes and stealing the copper pipes, wire and wrought iron........Ive had 50% more claims for this this past year. Just read an artical whereas in Willow Grove, someone is going around and stealing manhole covers. I had a house over in Bucks Co where they stole the aluminum siding :lol Just nuts!
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In Philly and the surrounding communitys they are breaking into homes and stealing the copper pipes, wire and wrought iron........Ive had 50% more claims for this this past year. Just read an artical whereas in Willow Grove, someone is going around and stealing manhole covers. I had a house over in Bucks Co where they stole the aluminum siding :lol Just nuts!
i'll have to let my friend know....she's just off of kelly driver lane.
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Still less than 4 years ago
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We're just shy of $4/gallon for regular here in south Georgia.
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Well i just paid 1.72 a gallon here in PA, granted I used my gas points from Giant, grand total I paid was 21.98 to fill my tank.. :bolt:
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$3.87 a gallon frizzle frazzle. :bhead
Bay bridge toll 4 bucks going up to 6 frizzle frazzle. :bhead
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back in the 80's they made cars that would get over 60 mpg. 30 years later the car companies are beatching about having to make cars that do 30 mpg. something is really wrong here.
not to get political here. but the price of gas has nothing to do with supply and demand or conditions in the middle east. it has to do with people speculating in the market. even since they let people bet on oil futures price of gas went up. that along with oil companies spending billions of dollars to buy refineries just to shut them down a few months later.
semp
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back in the 80's they made cars that would get over 60 mpg. 30 years later the car companies are beatching about having to make cars that do 30 mpg. something is really wrong here.
not to get political here. but the price of gas has nothing to do with supply and demand or conditions in the middle east. it has to do with people speculating in the market. even since they let people bet on oil futures price of gas went up. that along with oil companies spending billions of dollars to buy refineries just to shut them down a few months later.
semp
yup. I think it was the Shelby Cobra that was supposed to get a ton of MPG but some oil company paid him millions not to use the technology
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don't use gas. diesel fuel in Amarillo, TX was 4.059 x 200 gal =811.80usd. last year same day only (lol) 3.259 x 200 gal = 651.80. the average run to Buffalo, NY and back to Phoenix, AZ is 1100 gal. im a nice guy you can ask skuzzy but i have to pass these price increases on to the receivers. since i haul produce east and meat west i hope your all ready to pay more just to eat. except the crew at hi tech. the blue bell is still free. at least until i get my parafrags
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the price of gas has nothing to do with supply and demand or conditions in the middle east. it has to do with people speculating in the market. even since they let people bet on oil futures price of gas went up.
the oil markets, and hence the price, reflect global supply and demand.
whatever the pump price, as a resident of a net oil exporter higher oil prices are a good thing overall. I assume the US is a net exporter too? Imagine what its like to see the increase when your country imports oil ...
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back in the 80's they made cars that would get over 60 mpg. 30 years later the car companies are beatching about having to make cars that do 30 mpg. something is really wrong here.
not to get political here. but the price of gas has nothing to do with supply and demand or conditions in the middle east. it has to do with people speculating in the market. even since they let people bet on oil futures price of gas went up. that along with oil companies spending billions of dollars to buy refineries just to shut them down a few months later.
semp
bolded.
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Semp,
I'm curious to what car in the 80's got 60 mpg? I dont think even the VW diesels got 40 mpg back then.
:salute
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Chevy citation, if i remember got close to 50mpg.
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As much as I hated being strong armed into taking a motorcycle course, I am overjoyed I have my license to ride. I went from spending $50 a week in gas to spending $5 a week in fuel.
I don't have a huge bike, it is just big enough so it doesn't feel like a palm sander on the highway but small enough that the gas savings are profound.
(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff14/DeliriumP38/vp2000727_3_large.jpg)
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Chevy citation, if i remember got close to 50mpg.
i do't remember a citation thaT ACTUALLY RAN.......
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Filled the Wrangler (19 gallons) this morning for ~ $65.
$3.87/gallon
I stuck the nozzle into my gas tank, bent over and cried "RAPE" :furious
If you lived in uk that would have cost you $160 still feel hard done by?
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back in the 80's they made cars that would get over 60 mpg. 30 years later the car companies are beatching about having to make cars that do 30 mpg. something is really wrong here.
not to get political here. but the price of gas has nothing to do with supply and demand or conditions in the middle east. it has to do with people speculating in the market. even since they let people bet on oil futures price of gas went up. that along with oil companies spending billions of dollars to buy refineries just to shut them down a few months later.
semp
so much wrong here Semp. First of all even most motorcycles were strugleing to get that kind of mileage. The reason MPG has dropped is two fold. First, you have consumer demand for larger, thus heavier cars. Second you have government safety regulations that have forced cars to beef up. I had an Audi 4000, a midsized car from the 80's. It was smaller than a Ford Focus, a compact car, and weighed about 450 pounds less. For a modern example,look at the Fiat 500 it weighs almost 300 pounds more in the US than in the UK.
As for the speculators, I've had very cheap gas and expensive gas. It's a global market and demand is up!
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Chevy citation, if i remember got close to 50mpg.
GM's first front driver,hardly it might have got 30 on a good day! I had a 1980 750cc bike,it would barely get 45 mpg on the highway,25 to 30 if you fooled around in town.
I was building cars in the early 80's late 70's and the VW rabbit diesel got the best mileage and it was hard pressed to get 40mpg. Cars are far more efficient today than they have ever been,you can get a 2 liter engine that gets over 40mpg and thats gas powered.
I get better milage from my honda SUV than I got from my accord and there's only 10 years difference from their build dates! BTW they both have same displacement engines but the SUV has AWD.
:salute
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so much wrong here Semp. First of all even most motorcycles were strugleing to get that kind of mileage. The reason MPG has dropped is two fold. First, you have consumer demand for larger, thus heavier cars. Second you have government safety regulations that have forced cars to beef up. I had an Audi 4000, a midsized car from the 80's. It was smaller than a Ford Focus, a compact car, and weighed about 450 pounds less. For a modern example,look at the Fiat 500 it weighs almost 300 pounds more in the US than in the UK.
As for the speculators, I've had very cheap gas and expensive gas. It's a global market and demand is up!
THE thing with the "global market" excuse for gas prices.......it wasn't so till the govt started allowing it to be traded on the market. it was priced according to supply and demand here in the us.
now that we've joined the global market, it can go up if the wrong person flicks a booger on another wrong person, and the traders panic. i mean...c'mon......iran threatens to close the straight of hormuz(i think that's the one), and gas jumps? c'on people!! they're about the size of texas......and one cv group can totally wipe out their entire military......sorry skuzzy.........
if gas were removed from trading on the market, we would be back down to below 2/gallon in less than a year here in the us. my apologies to you guys in other countries.....but screw the global market. it's dragging us down.
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Citation is a mid size car
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Chevrolet_Citation_II_front.jpg/250px-Chevrolet_Citation_II_front.jpg)
Sure you are not thinking of the 4 cyl, 1.6 L Chevette?
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THE thing with the "global market" excuse for gas prices.......it wasn't so till the govt started allowing it to be traded on the market. it was priced according to supply and demand here in the us.
now that we've joined the global market, it can go up if the wrong person flicks a booger on another wrong person, and the traders panic. i mean...c'mon......iran threatens to close the straight of hormuz(i think that's the one), and gas jumps? c'on people!! they're about the size of texas......and one cv group can totally wipe out their entire military......sorry skuzzy.........
if gas were removed from trading on the market, we would be back down to below 2/gallon in less than a year here in the us. my apologies to you guys in other countries.....but screw the global market. it's dragging us down.
I don't totally disagree. What people are forgetting is that China is starting to consume fuel at an insane rate and will continue to do so. Don't forget to factorfor inflation, and in some areas, $2+ per gallon taxes and you have a big part of it too. So demand IS up and supply is relatively stagnant.
As for te straights of Hormuz, a full 25% of all oil goes through there. Most of it to Europe. If Iran makes good on its threat we'll be exporting more oi to them.
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Citation is a mid size car
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Chevrolet_Citation_II_front.jpg/250px-Chevrolet_Citation_II_front.jpg)
Sure you are not thinking of the 4 cyl, 1.6 L Chevette?
I made a mistake the citation wasnt GM's first front wheel drive,that would be the toranado!
:salute
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If you lived in uk that would have cost you $160 still feel hard done by?
Yea but Americans like to whine about nothing.....
:P
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Semp,
I'm curious to what car in the 80's got 60 mpg? I dont think even the VW diesels got 40 mpg back then.
:salute
Izusu pickup(2 wheel drive) with 5 speed and diesel got about 40 or little better as a friend told me.(he had one) I had a Izusu diesel 4x4 with 4 speed, the milage wasn't the best.
60mph?
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---looks like ill be buying a chevy volt in the future... someone in MA got it to 140 MPG by extending something or whatever and its supposed to be 91mpg? i dont remember...
Volt is like $42k...the Fusion (gas-powered version of same car) is about $25k.....how long does it take to save $17k in gas, and what is the lifetime of the battery?
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Lets keep this non political.
I wasn't home for the rise in gas prices as some of you know so it was a complete shock when I first went to the pump. I was just wondering, since we have people around the world here...
What were you paying for gas a year ago for a fuel tank? What are you paying now? What type of vechicle? And where at?
In Maryland I was paying $50 for a fuel tank now its $60 for my Jeep....In New York(Where I'm stationed) it went from $55 to $70.
4.50 sdiego ca
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That's still better than my brick on wheels...
On the other hand, my stepfather has a '69 GTO with a 400 Ram-Air IV with rochester trips on it (manual linkage) and when you open the secondary's, you can almost watch the gas gauge go down...
Man... I wish I still had my Goat. It was a '71. Same engine... 400. I put a Holley 750, Edelbrock intake, BlackJack headers on it. The tranny had a B&M shift kit in it... darn thing would pull the wheels off the ground going into 2nd... and it was an automatic. Same deal too... you step on it, and the gas gauge would just go down before your eyes.
I never finished it... It was a mess when I got it. Gold... lots of surface rust, mangled right rear quarterpanel and a twisted bumper. By the time I sold it, I had all the bodywork done, and it was primered all flat black. Had the original ram air on it too.
If I knew then what I know now...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_47lJjJ4A-g
would be a kickarse ride. I watched the making of one of these on discovery channel. If I remeber right the battery is good for about 150000 miles before needing replacement, and the battery charge is good for about 400 miles depending on how its driven, and the charge time is like 8 hours 120 volts or 4 hours 240 volts. Like I said I am trying to remember been a while since I watched it on tv.
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I didn't read all of this thread...just skimmed it and saw 'Global market" .... what a crock hahaha... over here the price of gas moves up and down at the hint that it is going up ... at present the prices are $2-19 for 91 ..... $2-28 for 96 ..... $2-36 for 98 ..... $1-54 for Diesel ......These prices are per liter..... It does not matter what tank price they paid these days it just changes yes it can go down also but it only comes down in 1-2c increments and jumps 2-5c ..... every day it seems we have a different price..... I have an old Landrover which costs on average from empty $180-00 per fill and I get a whopping 400Kms for that :rofl :rofl :rofl ... the kicker is this voucher system... many use shopping voucher to give you up to 6c..sometimes even 20c (have to spend $200 shopping to get this on special weeks)...but there are some that petrol station who do it in store all you have to do is spend $4-00 to receive an instant 4cperL discount hahahaha...the discount on average is $1-50
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You guys must all be driving hi performance vehicles.... The higher the octane the harder it is for your engine to ignite the gasses. Unless you all drive a BMW, Mercedes or something like that you are uselessly wasting your money. Some cars with low compression ratios will actually suffer in performance with hi octane fuels. Some, but not all suv type vehicles may suggest that you use high octane but most dont require it. Unless you are creating high engine temps like towing heavy loads its not even necessary. Hi octane will not benifit you in any way unless you have the compression required to offset the fuels "inertness" so to speak. When I see people putting it in a moped I have to chuckle. If you want your roto-tiller or lawn mower to lose power just fill up with a higher octane fuel. The same applies to a moped or any other small engine with the exception of some snowmobiles and the like. Mixing oils with fuels as in two stroke engines can have a dampening effect on fuel ignition also, so making the fuel more stable is not always a good idea because thats what higher octanes do.
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skuzzy drives a prius :noid :noid
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I had a 1980 750cc bike,it would barely get 45 mpg on the highway,25 to 30 if you fooled around in town.
My Honda Shadow (650cc) gets 55 mpg on the highway and about 47 on the city streets. My wife's motorcycle (250cc) gets 71 mpg and even more than that on the highway but it rides like a palm sander at high speed.
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I'm beginning to wonder how Deli knows what riding a palm sander feels like :D
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Citation is a mid size car
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Chevrolet_Citation_II_front.jpg/250px-Chevrolet_Citation_II_front.jpg)
Sure you are not thinking of the 4 cyl, 1.6 L Chevette?
chevettes were only cool if ya dropped a big block in em.
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I don't totally disagree. What people are forgetting is that China is starting to consume fuel at an insane rate and will continue to do so. Don't forget to factorfor inflation, and in some areas, $2+ per gallon taxes and you have a big part of it too. So demand IS up and supply is relatively stagnant.
As for te straights of Hormuz, a full 25% of all oil goes through there. Most of it to Europe. If Iran makes good on its threat we'll be exporting more oi to them.
ya know? i could agree with inflation bringing us to the 2.50 or so range. even with china expanding, i can only agree with that high though. if we had never allowed it to be traded as a commodity, then it would be no higher than 2.50....most probably slightly lower.
i don't know about elsewhere, but here in nj, the last i checked, taxes, both state and federal accounted for .75/gallon.
the supply isn't stagnant, oil isn't limited.....or at least not completely. and oil isn't dead animals, and dead trees.
as for iran? c;mon. i've seen your posts. you know full well(as do most on here) that they are not even in the realm of being capable of closing the straight. on the outside(by outside, i mean in the twilight zone) chance that they do, do you really think they'll keep it that way for more than about 6 hours?
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Volt is like $42k...the Fusion (gas-powered version of same car) is about $25k.....how long does it take to save $17k in gas, and what is the lifetime of the battery?
the fusion is not a gas powered version of the volt.
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Volt is like $42k...the Fusion (gas-powered version of same car) is about $25k.....how long does it take to save $17k in gas, and what is the lifetime of the battery?
lol not even the same company!
The Dolt is a completely unique car from the ground up... Hmmmm ground up Volt, sounds like the right idea.
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lol not even the same company!
The Dolt is a completely unique car from the ground up... Hmmmm ground up Volt, sounds like the right idea.
Lol, oops you're right, I meant to say Chevy Cruze :uhoh
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skuzzy drives a prius :noid :noid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3UWq_T7vtM :rofl
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... if we had never allowed it to be traded as a commodity ...
well oil is a commodity that people buy and sell, and the markets are the most liquid and transparent way of determining the price. whats the alternative? surely you dont want the state to set a completely artificial price?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3UWq_T7vtM :rofl
:rofl :rofl
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Lol, oops you're right, I meant to say Chevy Cruze :uhoh
the only thing that the Volt has in common with any other chevrolet is a bow tie badge and questionable styling.
The Cruze is more Daewoo Lacetti then Volt.
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Yea but Americans like to whine about nothing.....
:P
:bolt:
At least we have Chicken :neener: :neener: :banana: :bolt:
Oz
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the only thing that the Volt has in common with any other chevrolet is a bow tie badge and questionable styling.
The Cruze is more Daewoo Lacetti then Volt.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2011-chevrolet-volt-vs-2011-chevrolet-cruze-eco-comparison-test
Interesting stuff. The Volt is nice if your trek is 20 miles away or less, when you get into long trips, the mileage between the two is similar...around town the Volt is a miser. Not sure how long the gas mileage saving takes to get your $20k back. If you just appreciate nice gadgets, go for it
In EPA city and highway MPGe calculations, each 33.7 kWh of electricity consumed equals one gallon of gas.
The energy used to produce the fuel (the so-called well-to-tank content) is not included.
No mixed-mode testing: The EPA runs Volt city and highway tests twice—once on battery power, then a second time with the engine running. The combined figure is the usual blend of 55 percent city and 45 percent highway.
Where I live....it's about 10 cents per kilowatt.
(http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/51/2011-chevrolet-volt-and-cruze-eco-marathon-429-photo-426874-s-original.jpg)
(http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/51/2011-chevrolet-volt-and-cruze-eco-graph-429-photo-426875-s-original.jpg)
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2011/03/25/autos/chevy_volt_vs_cruze_eco/chevy_cruzevolt.top.jpg)
How much cheaper is it to run on electricity? I complained earlier that the Volt’s display doesn’t include a report for miles-per-kWh analogous to the trip computer’s miles-per-gallon report while running on gas. I’ll repeat that complaint. Consequently, I had to do a little math, the upshot of which is that the Volt covers about four miles on each kilowatt-hour (when not running the air conditioning). Conservatively figure three miles per kWh to allow for charging losses and some AC use. In Michigan each kWh costs about 12 cents, so this works out to about four cents per mile. In the Cruze ECO I observed a bit over 35 MPG. With gas at $3.80, that’s about 11 cents per mile. Over the course of a 12,000-mile year, the difference would add up to about $800. In other words, it’ll be a while before that $10,000+ is recouped
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/09/review-2012-chevrolet-volt/
Volt has a catch-22 thing: Gets AWESOME mileage on short trips, but with only short trips, you're REALLY not saving much money in gas (as you weren't spending much to START with) Drive the thing a LOT....(longer trips) it's mileage goes downhill proportionately. Buy the Cruze, put that extra $15-$20k in an interest bearing account, use it to buy gas
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See Rule #14
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-Oilcompanies pay Carbuilder to Build Gasoline cars cause its more complicate and expensive those days to Build a Gasoline car than a E-car.
-Where they get the Money?: from Country's who give money to explore Cars,51% of the E-car exploring is from Oilcompanies.
-Why they Start Build Hummer and SUVs: Oilcompanies told Carbuilders to makes this Gasoline Eaters and show faked safety and high status of life.
-Did GM ever had a good E-car? ask Denni Devito,Mel Gibson ore Aces high player John Travolta they had one in end 90s.
tasos E-car exploring VW Germany
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjHQ3u3bwGs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjHQ3u3bwGs)
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Who Killed The Electric Car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsJAlrYjGz8
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http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2011-chevrolet-volt-vs-2011-chevrolet-cruze-eco-comparison-test
Interesting stuff. The Volt is nice if your trek is 20 miles away or less, when you get into long trips, the mileage between the two is similar...around town the Volt is a miser. Not sure how long the gas mileage saving takes to get your $20k back. If you just appreciate nice gadgets, go for itWhere I live....it's about 10 cents per kilowatt.
(http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/51/2011-chevrolet-volt-and-cruze-eco-marathon-429-photo-426874-s-original.jpg)
(http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/51/2011-chevrolet-volt-and-cruze-eco-graph-429-photo-426875-s-original.jpg)
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2011/03/25/autos/chevy_volt_vs_cruze_eco/chevy_cruzevolt.top.jpg)
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/09/review-2012-chevrolet-volt/
Volt has a catch-22 thing: Gets AWESOME mileage on short trips, but with only short trips, you're REALLY not saving much money in gas (as you weren't spending much to START with) Drive the thing a LOT....(longer trips) it's mileage goes downhill proportionately. Buy the Cruze, put that extra $15-$20k in an interest bearing account, use it to buy gas
GM Volt is a Shame for every American,
The Nazis used same Technology to cross the Atlantic with Submarines to Kill Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpYdHUxdMTI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpYdHUxdMTI&feature=related)
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the notion that oil companies "told" the auto makers to do anything is absurd! They make SUV's and trucks because they sell, and mor importantly they make $$$, unlike small cars.
GM made a stupid decision by bowing to government pressure to build the Volt. They lose money on each one and so far it's been a nightmare for them and their owners.
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the notion that oil companies "told" the auto makers to do anything is absurd! They make SUV's and trucks because they sell, and mor importantly they make $$$, unlike small cars.
GM made a stupid decision by bowing to government pressure to build the Volt. They lose money on each one and so far it's been a nightmare for them and their owners.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AU3_2IT8k8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AU3_2IT8k8&feature=related)
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GM Volt is a Shame for every American,
The Nazis used same Technology to cross the Atlantic with Submarines to Kill Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpYdHUxdMTI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpYdHUxdMTI&feature=related)
did you know that the Civil Air Patrol(i think they were the Coastal Patrol back then) sank at least 2 u-boats off the coast of of the us? and that they were actually civilians, flying civilian aircraft when they did that?
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the notion that oil companies "told" the auto makers to do anything is absurd! They make SUV's and trucks because they sell, and mor importantly they make $$$, unlike small cars.
GM made a stupid decision by bowing to government pressure to build the Volt. They lose money on each one and so far it's been a nightmare for them and their owners.
this.......free market works wonders.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AU3_2IT8k8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AU3_2IT8k8&feature=related)
UGH! The amount of crap in that makes me want to send you a bill for my time.
There is NO profitable market for a $30k+ car that goes 100 miles at best and takes a significant part of day to recharge. Is there any market for it? Absolutely, but lets not pretend that it makes sense for the vast majority of drivers. If you could produce a car that went as far, was as easy and quick to refuel, had the longevity and, more importantly, cost the same as its petroleum based cousin without sacrificing ANY comfort or usefulness, you'd sell tons of them! But ONLY if you could do it for a profit. As it stands electric cars aren't any of that.
Cars like the EV1 were a miserable, horrible, foolish idea. They were conceived and built to capitalize on the emotions of the greenies the same way a supercharged 'vette is made to capitalize on the emotions of the petrol heads. They were and are image builders, the same as the hybrids are today.
You cannot and will not convince the consumer to buy something that is so far out of range of desire/need.
I have nothing against the idea or the technology of alternate fuel vehicles. I have issues with those that think that they are a panacea for all of the world's ills. I will buy one when I am ready, and more importantly, the technology is ready.
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4-corners 3.92 for 88 oct we have oilfields and refineries right here
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fuel trucked from 4-corners refineries to Albuquerque 180 miles away
is in 3.60 range, no oilfield or refinery there.
go figure :x
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Semp,
I'm curious to what car in the 80's got 60 mpg? I dont think even the VW diesels got 40 mpg back then.
:salute
cant remember the name but here's some
http://www.mpgomatic.com/2007/10/08/super-cheap-high-mpg-cars-1978-1981/
watch this too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr57nwiOXLg
semp
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cant remember the name but here's some
semp
What's interesting to me is that there are mid-sized sedans today that can rival those numbers while producing real, usable power. Technology has come a long way and the automakers are doing a great job despite the goofy regulations placed on them.
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cant remember the name but here's some
http://www.mpgomatic.com/2007/10/08/super-cheap-high-mpg-cars-1978-1981/
watch this too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr57nwiOXLg
semp
ui never saw a dodge de tomosa.....but i worked on some chevy luvs. they were crap. they rusted worse than old fords. and they didn't get any better then 30mpg.....if they got that.
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What's interesting to me is that there are mid-sized sedans today that can rival those numbers while producing real, usable power. Technology has come a long way and the automakers are doing a great job despite the goofy regulations placed on them.
know whagt made me laugh? a certain mythical person was pushing their mythical agenda(i was test driving a customers car that had talk radio on). this mythical person was gushing about how in 20 years or less, cars would be averaging 55mpg, thanks to his policies(most of which were another mythical persons i think), and save the average motorist $8k over the life of the car.
i found that funny, because it seems to me that people keep cars for around 20 years. at that, that means they'll save $400/year. if this really happens. that 400/year will be more than eaten up in the extra cost of the car, which will be higher, thanks to these mythical policies.
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65 bucks for a large bag of dogsled fuel,last about a month! Not sure what the MPB is{miles per bag},they use fuel wheter you run them or not! :devil
Roy,the powdercoat booth sound great,but isnt the oven part abit expensive to run on a small scale? I have a buddy who powdercoats small parts and uses an old stove to "bake" them!
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That is exactly what you do for small parts, except it is an old oven, not a stove. :)
it is ONLY of bennefit in forced induction or high compression or engines tuned for it. Higher octane fuel doesn't burn better, it is just more resistant to combustion to prevent predetonation.
People who put it in cars tuned for lower octane are throwing $$$ dwn the drain and if they claim their car runs better then there is probably some other issue.
Quite true. However, if the ambient temperatures are really high, going one step up in octane may allow the engine (if it is configured to determine the fuel octane) to run at a better configuration which could possibly provide slightly (<1%) better fuel mileage. 99% of the time, this would probably not be true.
you say that jokingly......but the last time gas hit 4/gallon, people were punching holes in gas tanks, and draining them. one of my friends runs a napa....they got 3 of his trucks.
Another good reason to own a Mini. Not worth the effort to punch a hole in the tank to drain the 2 or 3 gallons left in it. :)
Dang Skuzzy,
I'm figuring about 4,000 sq ft minimal for your man cave without future expansions, 480 volt wiring, expensive lighting. You left out your welding and finishing areas, and a massive air compressor and air lines in your posts. With a Vacuum former, you will need either a WaterJet or Laser to pre-cut your material, add another 1,000 sq ft. and machinery costs.
God bless you Skuzzy for keeping our economy rocking! This man deserves a Tax break.(The 1% I depend on for employment) where would we be if the government took all of their money? forced to work at Gunpoint.
Skuzzy has my utmost respect, After babysitting us, he goes home and produces products.(I always thought he was just the "Hitman" for High Tech) my bad.
GL on your endeavors, I'm still trying to crunch the numbers, I'm amazed! This is only part of his garage.
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I not sure what my post has to do with the price of gas, here in Utah,reg 3.59...plus 3.71...Pre.....3.82
I did not list everything. There is Mig welding unit, upright 50 gallon compressor. I am looking at a CNC plasma cutting table, but until that happens I will hand cut using a scroll saw. Until I get a plasma table I will not be able to work with large parts.
The real garage is a two car affair for the Wife's Lexus and my Mini. Trying to figure out how to get a covered area for a truck and trailer (to haul the Cobra to far away events).
All of this is actually for my retirement. When I retire, I have no intention of just sitting around growing old and watching the grass grow.
You guys must all be driving hi performance vehicles.... The higher the octane the harder it is for your engine to ignite the gasses. Unless you all drive a BMW, Mercedes or something like that you are uselessly wasting your money. ....<snip>
My Mini has 11.5:1 compression ratio. The Wife's Lexus has 12:1 compression ratio. Both cars will run on regular fuel, at much reduced power levels. But, with unblended 93 octane fuel, my Mini gets 47MPG on the freeway @ 70MPH. With 91 octane blended fuel, it struggles to get 41MPG @ 70MPH.
Check out Mazda's new engines. 13:1 compression ratio.
Right now, I am paying about $0.03 to $0.05 cents a gallon more for the unblended 93 octane. You figure it out.
skuzzy drives a prius :noid :noid
Nope, just a Mini Cooper for me (for right now) and a Lexus IS250 for the Wife.
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know whagt made me laugh? a certain mythical person was pushing their mythical agenda(i was test driving a customers car that had talk radio on). this mythical person was gushing about how in 20 years or less, cars would be averaging 55mpg, thanks to his policies(most of which were another mythical persons i think), and save the average motorist $8k over the life of the car.
i found that funny, because it seems to me that people keep cars for around 20 years. at that, that means they'll save $400/year. if this really happens. that 400/year will be more than eaten up in the extra cost of the car, which will be higher, thanks to these mythical policies.
Here in Europe gas already costs 9,5 dollars per gallon and the most popular models of euro cars average 30-50mpg. Only in the US and Russia people still drive low mpg V8's due to your dirt cheap gas.
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it is ONLY of bennefit in forced induction or high compression or engines tuned for it. Higher octane fuel doesn't burn better, it is just more resistant to combustion to prevent predetonation.
People who put it in cars tuned for lower octane are throwing $$$ dwn the drain and if they claim their car runs better then there is probably some other issue.
With computers controlling the engines today you can actually get better power with higher octane. That is if you run higher octane regularly. You can get even better mileage if you find a station that sells fuel that does not have.... 10% corn lol. :lol
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my car gets ~10% better mileage (and better performance) from using super unleaded (97-99) and it costs ~5% more ... you can guess what I fill up with :aok
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With computers controlling the engines today you can actually get better power with higher octane. That is if you run higher octane regularly. You can get even better mileage if you find a station that sells fuel that does not have.... 10% corn lol. :lol
Computers are still only mapped for a certain maximum octane. You can't take a Ford Focus and have it recognize 91 octane and adjust accordingly, without an aftermarket map of course. The engineers program the ECU to run certain parameters (timing, spark, injector pulse et.c.) based on what octane they think the car needs. So if they decide 87 is enough, then,as long as all the sensors give the OK, the car will run at the optimum values, based on the assumption it's 87 octane. Putting 91 won't provide any bennefit in this case.
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Here in Europe gas already costs 9,5 dollars per gallon and the most popular models of euro cars average 30-50mpg. Only in the US and Russia people still drive low mpg V8's due to your dirt cheap gas.
we drive low mileage v8's due to the mythical agency called the epa. they have so dam many mythical rules that we can't get decent cars here. i'd love to be able to buy a 300hp focus to have fun in...........even though it's not a v8.
that being said, my last highway trip on the gt, i averaged 27-28mpg, which is slightly higher than she's rated at. pretty dam good for a 400hp+ car over here.
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we drive low mileage v8's due to the mythical agency called the epa. they have so dam many mythical rules that we can't get decent cars here. i'd love to be able to buy a 300hp focus to have fun in...........even though it's not a v8.
that being said, my last highway trip on the gt, i averaged 27-28mpg, which is slightly higher than she's rated at. pretty dam good for a 400hp+ car over here.
me too dern it! Though we are getting the Fiat 500 Abarth.
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Computers are still only mapped for a certain maximum octane. You can't take a Ford Focus and have it recognize 91 octane and adjust accordingly, without an aftermarket map of course. The engineers program the ECU to run certain parameters (timing, spark, injector pulse et.c.) based on what octane they think the car needs. So if they decide 87 is enough, then,as long as all the sensors give the OK, the car will run at the optimum values, based on the assumption it's 87 octane. Putting 91 won't provide any bennefit in this case.
The ECU will advance spark until it runs into knock and retard it to near the threshold.
You will get more aggressive spark timing with higher octane.
Icepac....ecu engineer.
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me too dern it! Though we are getting the Fiat 500 Abarth.
i would only buy one of them, if they came with the women in the commercials. :devil
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You paid 4.21... It must have gone down, I got it for 4.19 a gallon. Norcal slightly cheaper maybe?
Depending how close you are to Highway 5, and North of Stockton, yup, it's always a bt cheaper than LA (durring the summer, usually by ~ a quarter). Between Frisco and LA on the 5, ppphhhhht, forget aobut it. Generaly I top off my tank here and try to make it to Stockton before next filling up on every single trip up north I make, trying my best to avoid the price-gouging that most stations partake in along the 5 between here and Frisco.
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I'm desperately trying to find an inexpensive diesel Jetta wagon for work.
There's your problem, clearly you're not truly desperate since like 99% of people you're still set on a Jetta.
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And about my faith in "All-American" (ie: Chevy) electric - I really don't know about how much to trust it... I've been drueling at Teslas speeding around my office for about half a decade now, and now Detroit after a few months expects me to believe what they got is going to be the latest and greatest forever and ever...
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And about my faith in "All-American" (ie: Chevy) electric - I really don't know about how much to trust it... I've been drueling at Teslas speeding around my office for about half a decade now, and now Detroit after a few months expects me to believe what they got is going to be the latest and greatest forever and ever...
Electric cars do have very nice acceleration due to the different power curve they have compared to combustion engines. That being said the challenge is still how to charge them up quickly. I believe Tesla's have 300 mile range before they need an all night charge.
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Electric cars do have very nice acceleration due to the different power curve they have compared to combustion engines. That being said the challenge is still how to charge them up quickly. I believe Tesla's have 300 mile range before they need an all night charge.
The "all night" charge isn't a wall socket either if I recall correctly, you need to get your meter and garage's electrical circuits upped from 120 to 240 iirc.
My comment was more directed at the fact that chevy has been investing and deleoping the volt and electric cars for how many years now?.... I don't see them leading the electric car industry or strongly establishing themselves as a leader within it today or tomorrow (maybe in a couple more years... but that's a good chunk of time).
Case in point with your comment - I'm pretty sure Tesla has been developing/working on the getting around the fast recharge problem, slowly, for at least as long as Chevy has decided to launch the entire Volt series (a couple to few years). I hope Chevy succeeds, but my money is on Tesla at this point, they knew of this problem and started developing solutions for it while Chevy was asking the government for a bailout because "something" went wrong.
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Electric cars do have very nice acceleration due to the different power curve they have compared to combustion engines. That being said the challenge is still how to charge them up quickly. I believe Tesla's have 300 mile range before they need an all night charge.
there are ways to "fast charge" batteries. the problem that you run into, is the same as when you discharge them quickly. they build up heat. heat kills them slowly over time. the more often you would fast charge the batteries, the shorter you would make its lifespan.
do a lot of hard driving on any of the electrics, including the tesla, and you're gonna heat up the packs, and shorten their lifespan. i think the teslas have dedicated cooling systems for these to help, but you're still gonna hurt them. on top of all that, if you're a hard driver, you're not gonna get the range from the batteries, just like you won't get the mileage from a gas car. then go turning on the a/c, windshield wipers, headlights.....well....you get the picture.
it's good that people are trying......but it's not there yet. probably won't be viable for a looooonnnggggg time.
and finally...despite what people are saying.....do you truly think that charging these things every night isn't gonna hurt your electric bill?
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Roy, forgive me I'm a canuk we call them stoves up here but your right he only uses the oven part! :rofl :rofl :rofl
Semp, I checked out that site, :rofl :rofl :rofl I'm not sure where they got their figures from but those are rather generous! I and my family owned or drove most those cars on the list and I cantell you from real world experience that there were few if any cars that got 40 mpg never mind 60mpg.
Most those cars used a carb and only afew had any type of computer controlled ignition. Try any NA built car made in 74 and shut the engine down! See how long it runs on because of preignition!
My wife had a 74 nova and you had to turn the key off and let the clutch out ingear to stop the engine from running on. they got better about 76 when they figured out how to stop this issue but it wasnt until the added fuel injection and comp. controlled ignition that the really fixed the problem. They ran the cars too lean to pass emmisions,pump exhaust gases back through the system to reburn the mixture and this cause carbon buildup and thats what caused the run on issue.
I'm sure the more technical guys can chime in and explain it better or even add their own real life experiences with 70's(mid to late} and 80's cars! 1974 was the year they stopped building anything with power,check the hp on even the vet that year!!!! :rolleyes:
Oh and find me a car from then that gets 50mpg and I'll pull a klinger and eat it!
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My Honda Shadow (650cc) gets 55 mpg on the highway and about 47 on the city streets. My wife's motorcycle (250cc) gets 71 mpg and even more than that on the highway but it rides like a palm sander at high speed.
I dont doubt it Del, I had a 750 GPZ kawi with 4 carbs and 4 cylinders that was more of a sport bike that a touring machine like yours. Also I`m not sure of your bikes age but it`s got to be 10 or 15 years newer and they even use FI on bikes these days!
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PS: ride safe,reconsider your helmet choice! :aok
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Roy, forgive me I'm a canuk we call them stoves up here but your right he only uses the oven part! :rofl :rofl :rofl
Semp, I checked out that site, :rofl :rofl :rofl I'm not sure where they got their figures from but those are rather generous! I and my family owned or drove most those cars on the list and I cantell you from real world experience that there were few if any cars that got 40 mpg never mind 60mpg.
Most those cars used a carb and only afew had any type of computer controlled ignition. Try any NA built car made in 74 and shut the engine down! See how long it runs on because of preignition!
My wife had a 74 nova and you had to turn the key off and let the clutch out ingear to stop the engine from running on. they got better about 76 when they figured out how to stop this issue but it wasnt until the added fuel injection and comp. controlled ignition that the really fixed the problem. They ran the cars too lean to pass emmisions,pump exhaust gases back through the system to reburn the mixture and this cause carbon buildup and thats what caused the run on issue.
I'm sure the more technical guys can chime in and explain it better or even add their own real life experiences with 70's(mid to late} and 80's cars! 1974 was the year they stopped building anything with power,check the hp on even the vet that year!!!! :rolleyes:
Oh and find me a car from then that gets 50mpg and I'll pull a klinger and eat it!
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c'mon dood.....you're a car guy. why didn't ya fix the idle stop solenoid?
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c'mon dood.....you're a car guy. why didn't ya fix the idle stop solenoid?
:rofl :rofl Cap it wasnt an idle stop solenoid it was the 20 pounds of carbon on the valves,pistons and cyl.heads. Remember this was a carbed car and it ran on because the carbon was still hot enough to ignite the fuel left in the intake,she'd diesel on for a good 5 mins if you didnt stall it out!
Point of it all is that a 60 mpg car from that time period just didnt exist,there's no conspiracy to make cars get worse gas milage,big oil doesnt care about that. Cars have gotten better in every way since then and will continue to get better as the years pass.
Here's a question for the electric car doubters,what percentage of trucks on the road in 1910 were electric? Look up the stats for NYC in that time period,you may be shocked!
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:rofl :rofl Cap it wasnt an idle stop solenoid it was the 20 pounds of carbon on the valves,pistons and cyl.heads. Remember this was a carbed car and it ran on because the carbon was still hot enough to ignite the fuel left in the intake,she'd diesel on for a good 5 mins if you didnt stall it out!
Point of it all is that a 60 mpg car from that time period just didnt exist,there's no conspiracy to make cars get worse gas milage,big oil doesnt care about that. Cars have gotten better in every way since then and will continue to get better as the years pass.
Here's a question for the electric car doubters,what percentage of trucks on the road in 1910 were electric? Look up the stats for NYC in that time period,you may be shocked!
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It's like the myth of the 100mpg carburetor. If Ford or GM had all these miracle devices they'd run them to market ASAP and clean house. It's like any other quantum leap, the first to market sets the price and people are willing to pay above retail for it. Look at the Iproducts as an example. It's not like Apple would sit on a quantum computing iPad just because they are in league with "Big Whatever."
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:rofl :rofl Cap it wasnt an idle stop solenoid it was the 20 pounds of carbon on the valves,pistons and cyl.heads. Remember this was a carbed car and it ran on because the carbon was still hot enough to ignite the fuel left in the intake,she'd diesel on for a good 5 mins if you didnt stall it out!
Point of it all is that a 60 mpg car from that time period just didnt exist,there's no conspiracy to make cars get worse gas milage,big oil doesnt care about that. Cars have gotten better in every way since then and will continue to get better as the years pass.
Here's a question for the electric car doubters,what percentage of trucks on the road in 1910 were electric? Look up the stats for NYC in that time period,you may be shocked!
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bolded....i see what you did there. :devil
yea, i remember the way those old pos's used to get carboned up. i used to use water to clean them out. dribble it VEEERRRYYYYYY slowly down the carb, as you maintain the engine around 2k rpm. it tended to "cook" the carbon off of the valves, piston tops, and the combustion chambers.
the idle stop solenoids would still stop the car though, if they were working properly....remember....they allowed the throttle blades to close all the way, cutting off the air. fuel, and ignition source still equals nothing, without the air.
i do remember a lot of that crap though.
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Ha ha,
I didnt even realize the pun until you pointed it out! :lol
Yup steam cleaning the engine,been there done that,also tranny fluid,brake cleaner and some other things but those fixes only lasted for a few weeks and she was carboned up again. Short of a teardown and a real cleaning nothing would solve the issue.
Come to think of it are you sure they even had a solenoid on the carb? I recall an electric choke but I didnt mess with carbs much. The EGR system caused most the problems and if you had any blowby it just got worse.
I'm sure Roy could get into this in more detail,sry Cap I just dont think your quite old enough to have the experience with those old junkers! I'm barely old enough,maybe Hajo or GE would have something to add.
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Ha ha,
I didnt even realize the pun until you pointed it out! :lol
Yup steam cleaning the engine,been there done that,also tranny fluid,brake cleaner and some other things but those fixes only lasted for a few weeks and she was carboned up again. Short of a teardown and a real cleaning nothing would solve the issue.
Come to think of it are you sure they even had a solenoid on the carb? I recall an electric choke but I didnt mess with carbs much. The EGR system caused most the problems and if you had any blowby it just got worse.
I'm sure Roy could get into this in more detail,sry Cap I just dont think your quite old enough to have the experience with those old junkers! I'm barely old enough,maybe Hajo or GE would have something to add.
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you're right. i'm only 50....and only been wrenching since about82 or 83. i came in as that crap was trailing off. i got to work on some of it, but not much. my very first engine rebuild was a 74 pinto-stang 2.3 liter with points. then several 60's 289/302's. did pretty much on mid 70's big block cadis.
now that you mention it though, i think the idle solenoids didn't come into being till very late 70's into the 80's. those 80's carbs? friggin HATED them. ford managed to take a holley carb...just about the best carb for performance.....and totally screw it up. gm had those damed bogjets. chrysler had leanburn. they ALL sucked. well.......kinda. the leanburn didn't make much power, but it did seem to run the best of the three.
and who remembers the variable venturi carbs that ford tried? GGAAHH!!!!! :bhead
egr systems in their infancy truly did create more problems than they solved. i'm absolutely sure that in the perfect world in which engineers live that those early egr systems worked fine. then reality struck, and it was shown that in the reality of the average joe driving these cars, those systems didn't last long before lack of maintenance created havoc with them.
it seemed as if we went from good(60's technology) to crap(70's technology) to almost kinda sorta good(80's technology) back to good(90's technology) to friggin fabulous(2000 to present technology).
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Ya Cap I wasnt sure myself. :aok
I had a 79 LTD,year before they changed the name to crown vic,anyways it had a variable venturi carb. If you even saw 1 you'd know this was the worse thing ever place on a car!
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Ya Cap I wasnt sure myself. :aok
I had a 79 LTD,year before they changed the name to crown vic,anyways it had a variable venturi carb. If you even saw 1 you'd know this was the worse thing ever place on a car!
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i converted at least a dozen of those pos setups to holly carbs. there used to be a kit for it. i used to think very very mean and unfriendly thoughts towards the schmuck that put those dam things on those engines.
remember the first throttlebody injected mustangs? the ones with the choke? on friggin FUEL INJECTION?
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Payed $3.99 for Regular three days ago.
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Offroad diesel for my tractors, 300 gallons @ 3.83/gal I burn 7.5 gallons/hour when things go into full swing in about a month.
87 octane, 4.11 gallon average
North of Bellingham Wa with 3 refineries with 15 miles. Not to mention one just half burned to the ground.
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It's like the myth of the 100mpg carburetor. If Ford or GM had all these miracle devices they'd run them to market ASAP and clean house.
But if Exxon or BP owned those miracle devices they would bury them.
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But if Exxon or BP owned those miracle devices they would bury them.
I doubt that since they would be big $$$$
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See Rule #14
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But if Exxon or BP owned those miracle devices they would bury them.
Along with the creator. Like they did with the car that ran on water. :noid
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See Rule #14
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same question you avoided before CAP, if the oil markets arent allowed to determine the barrel price, who should? :headscratch:
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same question you avoided before CAP, if the oil markets arent allowed to determine the barrel price, who should? :headscratch:
free market.
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so you dont want oil traded in the markets, you want oil traded in the markets ... :headscratch:
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so you dont want oil traded in the markets, you want oil traded in the markets ... :headscratch:
free market is supply/demand.
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The car guyz no longer are interested in low cost fuel because they now have products that sell when fuel prices climb.
I'd go into detail but this board lacks the capability to put across a coherent thought even when it does not violate the rules.
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free market is supply/demand.
thats exactly what our oil markets (and all the other markets come to that) are - a bunch of people selling oil and a bunch of people buying oil. the oil price is the price that people are buying/selling the oil at.
what you want is what we already have. boiiing! wish granted :D
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thats exactly what our oil markets (and all the other markets come to that) are - a bunch of people selling oil and a bunch of people buying oil. the oil price is the price that people are buying/selling the oil at.
what you want is what we already have. boiiing! wish granted :D
NO, IT's not. sorry bout caps lock....
what we have now, is people trading it on the market, never taking possession of it. that is what drives the prices up.
if it were simply a case of rtholmes refinery company needs to purchase a half million barrels from cap's oil fields, the price would be driven down, due to the fact that if you didn't like my price, you'd go buy it from dichotomy's oil field for a lower price. with oil being traded on the markets, that can't happen.
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<snip> boiiing! wish granted :D
Dang it. I knew I should have trademarked that. :D
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Dang it. I knew I should have trademarked that. :D
knock yourself out. :aok
(http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr355/swatpeace/skuzzywish1.jpg)
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NO etc.
you seem confused about the difference between commodities markets and derivatives, wikipedia explains this stuff pretty well.
when you've read and understood this, consider that all oil contracts are really forward contracts (because you cant walk into a market with a suitcase of cash and physically carry out a million barrels of oil), and that almost all oil demand is ongoing (rather than a one-off purchase like a wedding ring) and you'll understand why a futures market is entirely appropriate for oil. a major reason why the pump price doesnt fluctuate as wildly as the barrel price is because of the hedging that oil derivatives allow.
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you seem confused about the difference between commodities markets and derivatives, wikipedia explains this stuff pretty well.
when you've read and understood this, consider that all oil contracts are really forward contracts (because you cant walk into a market with a suitcase of cash and physically carry out a million barrels of oil), and that almost all oil demand is ongoing (rather than a one-off purchase like a wedding ring) and you'll understand why a futures market is entirely appropriate for oil. a major reason why the pump price doesnt fluctuate as wildly as the barrel price is because of the hedging that oil derivatives allow.
possibly i am. i'll read up tonight. i keep typing these up when i come up front.
the barrel price though, has seemed pretty steady. at least here in the us. it's the pump price that fluctuates wildly. and rather coincidentally, the price of gas started going up when they allowed it on the markets. before that, iran could've bombed the poop out of saudi arabia, and it may have changed the prices here by a couple cents.
but tonight at home, i'll read up on it, then post again.
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Dang it. I knew I should have trademarked that. :D
Then we'll be forced to go to some foreign country for our wishes and we'll wind up with something like "Schwing!!! You have been given your desires!"
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(http://66.70.86.64/ChartServer/ch.gaschart?Country=Canada&Crude=t&Period=96&Areas=USA%20Average,,&Unit=US%20$/G)
this is good, it shows how cheap the pump price is compared to 8 yrs ago. if the pump price accurately reflected the crude price, it should be about $5.70/gall now ...
luckily oil companies can use all the tools that the international financial markets provide (yes, those evil things like futures) to buffer the consumer from the overall real rise in the cost of oil, and its short-term fluctuations.
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As in all cases, Wall Street heard the word "bet" and flocked to futures, taking the market to strange new places on the fringe of legality. In the 19th and early 20th centuries it bet on grain. In the 21st century it was oil. Despite U.S. petroleum reserves being at an eight-year high, the price of oil rose dramatically beginning in 2006. While demand rose, supply kept pace. Yet, prices still skyrocketed. This means that the laws of supply and demand no longer applied in the oil markets. Instead, an artificial market developed.
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(http://66.70.86.64/ChartServer/ch.gaschart?Country=Canada&Crude=t&Period=96&Areas=USA%20Average,,&Unit=US%20$/G)
this is good, it shows how cheap the pump price is compared to 8 yrs ago. if the pump price accurately reflected the crude price, it should be about $5.70/gall now ...
luckily oil companies can use all the tools that the international financial markets provide (yes, those evil things like futures) to buffer the consumer from the overall real rise in the cost of oil, and its short-term fluctuations.
do you have a chart on world oil consumption vs world oil output?
EDIT: Cap1, and everyone else...
you are all part of the problem and part of the solution. Don't you realize, diving that muscle car or that monster truck, wastes gas, increasing demand, rising prices, ultimately hurting our economy?
You can blame 'others' but the problem starts with you and your actions. Take responsibility or don't complain.
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oil supply is relatively easy to determine - the oil companies publish their production and reserves, but how do you know what demand was? you can get a rough estimate from a very complex (and therefore error-prone) calculation involving national growth rates, energy requirements, exchange rates etc. but the simplest way is to just look at the price relative to the supply ...
lets approach this from a different angle. you're saying that trading in the futures markets influences the spot price. what is the mechanism for this?
edit: consumption and demand are not the same thing.
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but the simplest way is to just look at the price relative to the supply ...
Not true, because oil supply is partially managed by a cartel which can artificially restrict supply. This makes using the price as a poor measure as artificial restricted supply alters the point at which the supply and demand curves intersect.
EDIT: you do hear of numbers such as "The US consumed x number of barrels of oil last year". Granted, as the price changes the "substitution effect" kicks in, making it hard to guess what the demand will be.
Maybe use the 'barrels of oil per person' ratio from a time when oil prices were lower to attempt to 'plot' the intersection points of the demand/supply curve intersections?
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oil supply is relatively easy to determine - the oil companies publish their production and reserves, but how do you know what demand was? you can get a rough estimate from a very complex (and therefore error-prone) calculation involving national growth rates, energy requirements, exchange rates etc. but the simplest way is to just look at the price relative to the supply ...
lets approach this from a different angle. you're saying that trading in the futures markets influences the spot price. what is the mechanism for this?
edit: consumption and demand are not the same thing.
By betting on the price outcome with only a single futures contract, a speculator has no effect on a market. It's simply a bet. But a speculator with the capital to purchase a sizeable number of futures derivatives at one price can actually sway the market. As energy researcher F. William Engdahl put it, "peculators trade on rumor, not fact" [source: Engdahl]. A speculator purchasing vast futures at higher than the current market price can cause oil producers to horde their commodity in the hopes they'll be able to sell it later on at the future price. This drives prices up in reality -- both future and present prices -- due to the decreased amount of oil currently available on the market.
Investment firms that can influence the oil futures market stand to make a lot; oil companies that both produce the commodity and drive prices up of their product up through oil futures derivatives stand to make even more. Investigations into the unregulated oil futures exchanges turned up major financial institutions like Goldman Sachs and Citigroup. But it also revealed energy producers like Vitol, a Swiss company that owned 11 percent of the oil futures contracts on the New York Mercantile Exchange alone [source: Washington Post].
As a result of speculation among these and other major players, an estimated 60 percent of the price of oil per barrel was added; a $100 barrel of oil, in reality, should cost $40 [source: Engdahl]. And despite having an agency created to prevent just such speculative price inflation, by the time oil prices skyrocketed, the government had made a paper tiger out of it.
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equally an oil producer could short on the very same contracts the vast speculator is going long on, dump oil onto the market just before the settlement and take all their money :D
markets can be manipulated to some degree, but long term these manipulations cannot overwhem the influence of real supply and demand. hence bubbles, which always burst. suggesting that 60% of the spot barrel price is due to manipulation of derivatives is just preposterous, which made me check out Mr. Engdahl ... who appears to be a bit of a conspiracy nutter, and rather unqualified to write books on this stuff with any authority.
“The popular fear of [speculation] may be compared to the popular terrors and suspicions of witchcraft." Adam Smith.
edit: to be clear, I'm arguing that theres nothing intrinsically wrong with derivatives markets, that they are infact a good thing. but only with appropriate regulation.
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I take the bus and bike. Costs only $40 a month. :neener:
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equally an oil producer could short on the very same contracts the vast speculator is going long on, dump oil onto the market just before the settlement and take all their money :D
markets can be manipulated to some degree, but long term these manipulations cannot overwhem the influence of real supply and demand. hence bubbles, which always burst. suggesting that 60% of the spot barrel price is due to manipulation of derivatives is just preposterous, which made me check out Mr. Engdahl ... who appears to be a bit of a conspiracy nutter, and rather unqualified to write books on this stuff with any authority.
“The popular fear of [speculation] may be compared to the popular terrors and suspicions of witchcraft." Adam Smith.
edit: to be clear, I'm arguing that theres nothing intrinsically wrong with derivatives markets, that they are infact a good thing. but only with appropriate regulation.
bolded......wigh that, i could/would agree. the funny thing is that the regulators lost their power to regulate.........around 2006.
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I take the bus and bike. Costs only $40 a month. :neener:
as long as i can avoid using public transportation i will.
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I take the bus and bike. Costs only $40 a month. :neener:
you have fallen for the lie of public transportation. You only see $40 but the fact is very very few systems could survive unsubsidized. The LR system here in MN costs far more per passenger mile than a rider pays. If they had to bare the full cost of ridership it would be empty.
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damn those evil socialist public bus services!
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you have fallen for the lie of public transportation. Y
Lie??? :headscratch: :headscratch:
If you realize that some of your tax money is subsidizing it and your community voted on it, where is the lie?
damn those evil socialist public bus services!
not to mention that 'commie' fire dept. That's why they always use the color RED! :rolleyes:
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I bent over and waited to take me beating today..... 4.16 a gallon. :(
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Lie??? :headscratch: :headscratch:
If you realize that some of your tax money is subsidizing it and your community voted on it, where is the lie?
we didn't vote on it and the money used to build it was taken from the funds meant to keep the roads in safe condition. So now, on top of paying more for public transportation, that I don't and can't use, then I do a car. I have to deal with a tax increase so they can fix the roads that were meant to be cared for with the original tax they pilfered for the stupid train to nowhere.
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we didn't vote on it and the money used to build it was taken from the funds meant to keep the roads in safe condition. So now, on top of paying more for public transportation, that I don't and can't use, then I do a car. I have to deal with a tax increase so they can fix the roads that were meant to be cared for with the original tax they pilfered for the stupid train to nowhere.
I'd love to take you on, but this is headed down a path of scuzzification... so I'll let it die.
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Ardy, you could say it's headed on
the stupid train to nowhere.
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Ardy, you could say it's headed on
nothing about a 3/4 Billion dollar train that barely goes 12 miles seems wise to me.
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nothing about a 3/4 Billion dollar train that barely goes 12 miles seems wise to me.
Comparing all mass transit systems across the country (or the world for that matter) to one case of wast is idiotic at best. Roads are build to no where all the time, just to create jobs too.
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See Rule #14
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Comparing all mass transit systems across the country (or the world for that matter) to one case of wast is idiotic at best.
Welcome to Minnesota.
I don't have a problem with mass transit, just the subsidy of it. I believe things should stand or fall on their own merit. As it is, I don't know of any transit system, especially rail, that does so.
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do you have a chart on world oil consumption vs world oil output?
EDIT: Cap1, and everyone else...
you are all part of the problem and part of the solution. Don't you realize, diving that muscle car or that monster truck, wastes gas, increasing demand, rising prices, ultimately hurting our economy?
You can blame 'others' but the problem starts with you and your actions. Take responsibility or don't complain.
I drive a 2001 F-150, gets about 24 miles to the gallon, I'll never own a sports car in my life, simply because it isn't my character, i'm more of the hatchback/truck kinda person. And I save on fuel as much as I can
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See Rule #14
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I drive a 2001 F-150, gets about 24 miles to the gallon, I'll never own a sports car in my life, simply because it isn't my character, i'm more of the hatchback/truck kinda person. And I save on fuel as much as I can
i drive a sports car that's getting better mileage than your truck.
and when there's a higher supply than demand(as there appears to be now) prices used to drop. that can't happen with futures traders. also, you may be interested in googling oil as a renewable resource.
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i drive a sports car that's getting better mileage than your truck.
and when there's a higher supply than demand(as there appears to be now) prices used to drop. that can't happen with futures traders. also, you may be interested in googling oil as a renewable resource.
I recall talking about that with some class mates today about how most sports cars use less fuel than other cars, considering its a 11 year old truck thats not actually to bad in my opinion.
Won't the prices get jacked up when people start buying a lot again?
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I recall talking about that with some class mates today about how most sports cars use less fuel than other cars, considering its a 11 year old truck thats not actually to bad in my opinion.
Won't the prices get jacked up when people start buying a lot again?
yes, i wasn't meaning to "down" your truck. the ford trucks are among the best most reliable on the road since about the mid/late 90's. before that timeframe, i think gm had ford licked hands down.
part of how some sports cars will actually use less, is simply the basics of producing power. in order to produce power, you need to use...or burn...the fuel/air mixture that's available to the engine more efficiently. that's a lot of how these guys are getting so much power out of such small engines, and doing so good with the fuel mileage. of course the technology, and excellent powertrain management systems help that along too.
yes, they prices will rise if/when people started buying again. but think of this......gas was still below $1/gallon in the so-called oil crisis in 79. back in 06 it was still below $2/gallon. futures traders hadn't had much effect by then. in 79, supply/demand was running the show. it went up. we had rationing. we sat in 1/4 mile long lines. we used odd/even license plate system. here in nj, the attendant would look at your gauge, and if you had a half tank or more, they wouldn't give you any gas.
that "shortage" was artificial. i forget exactly who pissed off whom.......but it was basically bs, and we all paid for it.
it's like i keep saying......right now, if a gnat lands on an iranian colonol's nose, and a civilian slaps it off, the traders will panic, and buy buy buy. that'll drive the prices up. we will pay for it nearly immediately.
nothing has changed, concerning who/where we get our oil from. it should. we have enough here to last a lifetime or two at least. we should be putting our people to work, getting that stuff outta the ground, refined, delivered, and sold. that alone would create a ton of jobs. it should bring the prices down(if it weren't for those futures traders and lack of oversight). that in turn would bring the prices of nearly everything else down. this would all go a loooonnnngggg way towards putting the economy back on the fast track to recovery.
here's another thought. diesel is(or it used to be) a byproduct of refining gasoline. it used to be waste. diesel engines weren't originally designed or built to run on diesel fuel. google that one too. you may be surprised.
since diesel fuel is a byproduct of the refining process, that is why it used to be about half the price of gas. yet now in most places, it's more expensive. why would that be? also....diesel=kerosene=home heating oil=jet a, and a few other things. the biggest difference(although i may be wrong here) is how much it's cleaned up.
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I drive a 2001 F-150, gets about 24 miles to the gallon, I'll never own a sports car in my life, simply because it isn't my character, i'm more of the hatchback/truck kinda person. And I save on fuel as much as I can
thats a load of BS, my 04 gets 15 at best!
edit: you probably have a 4.6 liter....i have a 5.4
my cop car has a tuned 4.6, but doesnt get 20mpg :huh
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thats a load of BS, my 04 gets 15 at best!
edit: you probably have a 4.6 liter....i have a 5.4
my cop car has a tuned 4.6, but doesnt get 20mpg :huh
My 6.8 gets 15, and it's in an 8500 lb truck. maybe you have a heavy foot?
All Crown Vics were rated in the high teens around town and mid 20's highway. The "interceptor" is the same motor the civilians had, just had added coolers for tranny and brakes and some suspension tweaks.
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My 6.8 gets 15, and it's in an 8500 lb truck. maybe you have a heavy foot?
All Crown Vics were rated in the high teens around town and mid 20's highway. The "interceptor" is the same motor the civilians had, just had added coolers for tranny and brakes and some suspension tweaks.
i dont drive fast 55-60 at most, maybe leveling kit, cold air intake, and exhaust don't help. Interceptors have higher shift points and the trannys don't slip into gear, they ram into the next gear. :lol
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i dont drive fast 55-60 at most, maybe leveling kit, cold air intake, and exhaust don't help. Interceptors have higher shift points and the trannys don't slip into gear, they ram into the next gear. :lol
Speed is a factor, but how you accelerate is what matters most times. Limit the amount you have sto accelerate by thinking ahead. I can make a 2mpg difference by limiting my revs to 2000RPM versus 2600... Forget about it when I rip it up to 6000 :D
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Speed is a factor, but how you accelerate is what matters most times. Limit the amount you have sto accelerate by thinking ahead. I can make a 2mpg difference by limiting my revs to 2000RPM versus 2600... Forget about it when I rip it up to 6000 :D
Ya, 6.8 sounds like a diesel...powerstroke!!! :)
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Ya, 6.8 sounds like a diesel...powerstroke!!! :)
Nope! It's a gasser. The PS was 7.4 (?) and would get 20mpg
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Nope! It's a gasser. The PS was 7.4 (?) and would get 20mpg
Who makes a gas engine that goes on a 8500 pound truck!?
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thats a load of BS, my 04 gets 15 at best!
edit: you probably have a 4.6 liter....i have a 5.4
my cop car has a tuned 4.6, but doesnt get 20mpg :huh
you should be able to manage over 20 in that. those crown vics aren't all that heavy......and the 4.6 liter is a pretty good engine.
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My 6.8 gets 15, and it's in an 8500 lb truck. maybe you have a heavy foot?
All Crown Vics were rated in the high teens around town and mid 20's highway. The "interceptor" is the same motor the civilians had, just had added coolers for tranny and brakes and some suspension tweaks.
i think they had different powertrain control system tuning too.
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i dont drive fast 55-60 at most, maybe leveling kit, cold air intake, and exhaust don't help. Interceptors have higher shift points and the trannys don't slip into gear, they ram into the next gear. :lol
well here's a fun bit of info.
my dakota gets a super high 21mpg at 75mph. if i slow to 70, iy gets 22. if i slow to 55, it gets 19.
my gt gets 27-28 at 70. at 75 that drops to 25-26. at 55, she only gets around 24 or so.
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Nope! It's a gasser. The PS was 7.4 (?) and would get 20mpg
7.3
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Who makes a gas engine that goes on a 8500 pound truck!?
ford baby!!
i think the 8500# he was referencing though, was GVRW, not curb weight.
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thats a load of BS, my 04 gets 15 at best!
edit: you probably have a 4.6 liter....i have a 5.4
my cop car has a tuned 4.6, but doesnt get 20mpg :huh
Forgot the technical specs at the moment, and I can't get into the garage since the house alarm is activated, all I know its its under 2 tons and has a 6 cylinder, Drive it to the store every other day and sometimes to school to jog or run my rc car on the track, while ago I had to travel 30 miles to get a tread mill and more nitro fuel, Didn't have to put gas in it for a while, I usually fill up to around a quarter to half a tank to save on cash, Haven't filled up completely in a while
Also before I bought it from my dad, he owned it for 10 years, took extremely good care of it, never been in the shop for anything besides tires and oil and other liquids. Its always ready to be driven regardless of the weather.
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(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/F35_LightningBravo/324683_228363410552585_100001367835388_585273_1301128969_o.jpg) Need a better picture of the whole thing
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ford baby!!
i think the 8500# he was referencing though, was GVRW, not curb weight.
Correct, curb weight is 7300 or so.
Averaged 10mpg towing 19,000 pounds (overloaded).
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Correct, curb weight is 7300 or so.
Averaged 10mpg towing 19,000 pounds (overloaded).
jeeeeze!!!!! just A LEETLE over loaded./ :devil
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jeeeeze!!!!! just A LEETLE over loaded./ :devil
In all honesty, it handled it like a champ. I started the trip on a fairly steep grade for a mile or so and it just took it in stride.
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We've got a 6.8 gasser in a shop truck.
Not a fan of it's mileage but it has 310hp and 425 ft/pounds of torque.
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In all honesty, it handled it like a champ. I started the trip on a fairly steep grade for a mile or so and it just took it in stride.
i had seen some of the testing ford does to their trucks. they seem to really beat the ever lovin poop out of them....like they test it to a spec much higher than it should see usage for on the streets.
also.......i wouldn't mind being the guy that gets to keep doing tests on the raptor. :devil
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We've got a 6.8 gasser in a shop truck.
Not a fan of it's mileage but it has 310hp and 425 ft/pounds of torque.
I actually think that Ford did a great job getting the mieage they did from it. I average 15 hwy and 11 cty in a 3.5 ton truck. I have a driver with a Durango and a Dakota that get the same,and they are much smaller trucks.
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i had seen some of the testing ford does to their trucks. they seem to really beat the ever lovin poop out of them....like they test it to a spec much higher than it should see usage for on the streets.
also.......i wouldn't mind being the guy that gets to keep doing tests on the raptor. :devil
the tests they did to promote the F150's ecoboost was pretty brutal. And I'd loooooove me Some Raptor too
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It's a V10 with a utility bed so mileage is not it's forte.
It is a lot faster than I expected.
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It's a V10 with a utility bed so mileage is not it's forte.
It is a lot faster than I expected.
The V10 Tritons have a nice broad torque curve. There is a kid with a stock V8 Fox body Mustang in my neighborhood, and my Excursion will give him a run at the lights. It's almost too bad Ford didn't stick with the V10 to power the GT.
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Here in Sydney, Australia, I filled the Skyline up the other morning at $1.50 a liter for 98 octane, I think that works out at $6.75 a gallon (I may have stuffed that calculation up however)
Adding in the exchange rate, that would be $7.01 in USD.
Steely
PS: It requires 98 octane, says so in the manual :)
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The V10 doesn't have near the power potential of the 5.4 GT engine.
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The V10 doesn't have near the power potential of the 5.4 GT engine.
It absolutely does, especially when you consider it's the same engine with 2 more cylinders.
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The V10 wasn't made for performance and sports an iron block with a split pin crankshaft that weighs a billion pounds.
It was made for torque which is why you won't be seeing any with 4 valve heads.
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Here in Sydney, Australia, I filled the Skyline up the other morning at $1.50 a liter for 98 octane, I think that works out at $6.75 a gallon (I may have stuffed that calculation up however)
Adding in the exchange rate, that would be $7.01 in USD.
Steely
PS: It requires 98 octane, says so in the manual :)
The octane rating is calculated differently in the U.S. than the rest of the world. Our 91 (or 93) is equivalent to your 98.
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I just wish the fuel companies would stop dosing the mix with oxygenators and alcohol.
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The V10 wasn't made for performance and sports an iron block with a split pin crankshaft that weighs a billion pounds.
It was made for torque which is why you won't be seeing any with 4 valve heads.
The 5.4 is identical architecture to the 6.8, minus two cylinders of course and the 5.4 in the GT is quite different than the 5.4 in the Excursion too. The 5.4s in the truck line have iron blocks. It wasn't until the "Terminator" Cobra's came about that they had an all aluminum engine, IIRC. There is no reason they couldn't do the same with a V10
The current V10s actually have 3 valves so going to 4 shouldn't be an issue.
I knew I'd find it. Aluminum V10 (based on 4.6l) in a mustang test mule. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92qNG6syZkI&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92qNG6syZkI&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
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I just wish the fuel companies would stop dosing the mix with oxygenators and alcohol.
That is actually done at the distributor. The station buyer has the option to buy blended or non-blended fuel. There are stations in Texas selling non-blended 93 octane. Makes a huge performance difference.
They have to blend at the distribution point as the ethanol does not mix with gasoline and will separate over time.
With the cost of ethanol rising, many station owners are cutting back on the blend.
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That is actually done at the distributor. The station buyer has the option to buy blended or non-blended fuel. There are stations in Texas selling non-blended 93 octane. Makes a huge performance difference.
They have to blend at the distribution point as the ethanol does not mix with gasoline and will separate over time.
With the cost of ethanol rising, many station owners are cutting back on the blend.
Unless you live in a state that requires, by law, that you have 10% ethanol. Only Premium is allowed to be corn free, which is why all my small engines run on 91.
I'd run ethanol if I had a need for high octane :D
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I know many folks in states that force ethanol blends. Some of them go to the trouble of buying it, then draining it from the tank, then freezing it. The ethanol will freeze at a higher temperature than the fuel and it clumps up in the process. Remove the clumps, put the gas back in the tank.
I am glad I live where it is not a state law.
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Ethanol blending is one of those things that sounds like a good idea, but really isn't.
Takes quite a bit more ethanol to make the same hp gasoline does.
Ethanol destroys rubber products fairly quickly (like ohhh . . fuel lines, needle valves, gaskets ..the usual suspects)
Good news is, a 10% blend burns 10% cleaner
Has 10% higher octane
Keeps the motor 10% cleaner inside (valves an such)
I'd rather just burn higher octane gasoline mk thx.
-Frank aka GE
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I know many folks in states that force ethanol blends. Some of them go to the trouble of buying it, then draining it from the tank, then freezing it. The ethanol will freeze at a higher temperature than the fuel and it clumps up in the process. Remove the clumps, put the gas back in the tank.
I am glad I live where it is not a state law.
We just add water which combines with the alcohol which then falls to the bottom.
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We just add water which combines with the alcohol which then falls to the bottom.
What type of octane booster do you use?
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I learned it from when we used to test fuel for legality purposes.
Adding water to a fuel mix is one of many ways to find certain performance boosters put into fuel by the cheaters.
Our octane booster is varying levels of C16.
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The octane rating is calculated differently in the U.S. than the rest of the world. Our 91 (or 93) is equivalent to your 98.
I didn't know that, thank you Skuzzy!
Had been wondering why the octane levels were so low in this thread :)
Salute
Steely
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I didn't know that, thank you Skuzzy!
Had been wondering why the octane levels were so low in this thread :)
Salute
Steely
where i live in nj, most gas stations have/had 87, 89, and 93. all unleaded. i think it was the mid/late 80's when i stopped being able to get 89 octane leaded.
there used to be 2 sunoco stations near me that carried 104 octane gas. it was leaded, and street legal. it was also somewhat expensive, and to be honest, there wasn't enough difference in my cars running on that compared to 93 octane, to warrant the extra expense.
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Gas has been steady at around $3.47 for low octane blend.
A few years ago at the lake, they sold the the 104 stuff for around $5-7 per gallon, when pump gas was around $2.00 at the lake.
Mercury Marine sells a 1,350 hp engine, with a one year warranty that runs on 91 octane. Don't know the price, but I bet it's way north of $100,000. 552 cid and around 6,500 rpm.
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Gas has been steady at around $3.47 for low octane blend.
A few years ago at the lake, they sold the the 104 stuff for around $5-7 per gallon, when pump gas was around $2.00 at the lake.
Mercury Marine sells a 1,350 hp engine, with a one year warranty that runs on 91 octane. Don't know the price, but I bet it's way north of $100,000. 552 cid and around 6,500 rpm.
dam......i wouldn't doubt it'd be expensive. one of my customers(an HVAC guy) has a boat....i forget the type/size.....but he's got a pair of 454s in it. the gas is killing him in it.
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I got a pair of 454's and at max cruse, I get close to 2 mph.
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So with 2-1oo gallon tanks, I can go how far?
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I got a pair of 454's and at max cruse, I get close to 2 mph.
MPH or GPH or MPG?
I would think MPG so about 100 miles??
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I have a chart. I can go about 400 miles at max cr on a tank of gas. above 3,500 and the gas consumption goes down. 45 mph and above and it goes to crap. near 65 mph, you can watch the gauge go down.
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Ok I dont quite understand,you mean at max cruise your boat does 2 mph? And at max cruise you can go 400 miles.
I always thought fuel burn was rate at gallons per hour on a boat because both speed and distance can be affected by wind and current.
However I'll take your word on it as you have the boat I dont! :D
:salute
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I'm just on an Oklahoma lake. Think the Max cruise is getting the most distance out of your fuel. My boat is 24 years old, but it has a nifty graph. It's better than a wag.....wild bellybutton guess.
Besides rpm, the angle my drives are at affect my mph/mpg the most. I extend them out, till they suck in air, then back them a notch. I try and limit the air suck. I can usually tell by sound and feel, without looking.
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So with 2-1oo gallon tanks, I can go how far?
uumm.....i think you have to cut that in half, then multilply it by how fast you can swim that distance with your eyes closed, then divide by .2342.
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That is actually done at the distributor. The station buyer has the option to buy blended or non-blended fuel. There are stations in Texas selling non-blended 93 octane. Makes a huge performance difference.
They have to blend at the distribution point as the ethanol does not mix with gasoline and will separate over time.
With the cost of ethanol rising, many station owners are cutting back on the blend.
It is not an "option". If you are in a reformulated zone you get gas reformulated for that zone. You can find border stations that can sell non-reformulated gas, but that is hit and miss due to delivery screwups. I ran a station in Jack County and we were always (2 out of 5 deliveries) getting reformulated regular even tho we were outside the attainment zone.
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It is not an "option". If you are in a reformulated zone you get gas reformulated for that zone. You can find border stations that can sell non-reformulated gas, but that is hit and miss due to delivery screwups. I ran a station in Jack County and we were always (2 out of 5 deliveries) getting reformulated regular even tho we were outside the attainment zone.
In this context, "option" means it is not a requirement, by state law, for any gas station to sell blended fuel in Texas. Now, the EPA has required areas of Texas to sell only blended fuels as they have been tagged under pollution control.
It also depends on the distributor. There is a local distributor in Grapevine who will take an order for unblended fuel and deliver it.
But you are correct. There are times when a station will get unblended and other times they get blended. Then there are times when they get a low blend (< 10%).
I have hit tanks which were full of unblended, when they were not supposed to be unblended. Easy to tell in the Mini as it loves that unblended fuel. Gas mileage shoots up 15 to 20%, almost instantly. I keep going back to that tank, until it is back to blended, then it is off to a station outside of D/FW to fill. I got a buddy at the distributor who lets me know which stations are taking unblended fuel. That certainly helps.
Of course, you have to know that the "bubba factor" does apply.
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Most of fuel around here is blended, but a few stations advertise 100% gasoline.
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$3.32 a gallon
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It's worse then I remembered, and this graph and info is for the standard 454's.
(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/cooked2008/Scan0001.jpg)