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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: W7LPNRICK on March 24, 2012, 06:50:07 PM
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Over the years I've upgraded RAM, replaced Hard Drives, upgraded Video Cards, and other easy stuff like that. Now I'm gonna try a build. I went to Newegg.com and ordered the following. My Son-In-Law is a $60,000/year programmer etc., he and a few others I spoke with in game all agree Heat is the enemy. So, I got a tower with 1 200mm fan & 2x 120mm fans. It all will arrive next week. Intend on having fun! wish me luck. :old:
ENERMAX FULMO Advance ECA892AG-BL Black SGCC 0.7mm ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Item #: N82E16811124144 Standard Return Policy MSI P67A-G45 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard Item #: N82E16813130582 Standard Return Policy EVGA 01G-P3-1556-KR GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Fermi) FPB 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card Item #: N82E16814130625 VGA Standard Return Policy Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-650 650W Continuous @ 50°C, 80 PLUS GOLD Certified, Single +12V Rail, ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V ... Item #: N82E16817182071 Standard Return Policy Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.4GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 ... Item #: N82E16819115074 CPU Replacement Only Return Policy G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM Item #: N82E16820231445 Memory
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looks like a nice rig you will have there. :aok
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My only concern is the Rosewill power supply. I've had too many issues with power supplies to buy anything that wasn't made by Seasonic. I've used Seasonic built power supplies in about 15 systems I've used or built for other people and have never once had a problem with them. I've also fixed several systems that were behaving "flaky" by installing a Seasonic power supply. My G/F's system would randomly crash and give her a BSOD. I replaced her 650 Watt generic power supply with a 620 Watt Corsair (made by Seasonic) and it's been trouble free ever since!
Spend a few bucks more as this is the lifeline of your system.
Keep in mind that many power supplies of different brands are made by Seasonic.. it doesn't necessarily have to be a Seasonic branded power supply.
There's a nice article linked below that describes the different brands and who really makes their different models:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html)
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Over the years I've upgraded RAM, replaced Hard Drives, upgraded Video Cards, and other easy stuff like that. Now I'm gonna try a build. I went to Newegg.com and ordered the following. My Son-In-Law is a $60,000/year programmer etc., he and a few others I spoke with in game all agree Heat is the enemy. So, I got a tower with 1 200mm fan & 2x 120mm fans. It all will arrive next week. Intend on having fun! wish me luck. :old:
ENERMAX FULMO Advance ECA892AG-BL Black SGCC 0.7mm ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Item #: N82E16811124144 Standard Return Policy MSI P67A-G45 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard Item #: N82E16813130582 Standard Return Policy EVGA 01G-P3-1556-KR GeForce GTX 550 Ti (Fermi) FPB 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card Item #: N82E16814130625 VGA Standard Return Policy Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-650 650W Continuous @ 50°C, 80 PLUS GOLD Certified, Single +12V Rail, ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V ... Item #: N82E16817182071 Standard Return Policy Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.4GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 ... Item #: N82E16819115074 CPU Replacement Only Return Policy G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM Item #: N82E16820231445 Memory
Forgo the chincy PSU and get...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010).
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Forgo the chincy PSU and get...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010).
That Corsair HX750 is made by "Channel Well". My g/f's computer had a TX650 (also made by Channel Well) and it had a very annoying piezo kind of noise that would repeat every second while the computer was off. A very high pitched noise that you could barely hear but was extremely annoying! Also her computer had random BSOD and locking up issues. I replaced that with an Antec "Neo Eco 620" which is made by Seasonic and it has performed flawlessly ever since.
Instead I'd recommend the Corsair AX750 - It's only $10 more and it's made by Seasonic. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139016 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139016)
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My only concern is the Rosewill power supply. I've had too many issues with power supplies to buy anything that wasn't made by Seasonic. I've used Seasonic built power supplies in about 15 systems I've used or built for other people and have never once had a problem with them. I've also fixed several systems that were behaving "flaky" by installing a Seasonic power supply. My G/F's system would randomly crash and give her a BSOD. I replaced her 650 Watt generic power supply with a 620 Watt Corsair (made by Seasonic) and it's been trouble free ever since!
Spend a few bucks more as this is the lifeline of your system.
Keep in mind that many power supplies of different brands are made by Seasonic.. it doesn't necessarily have to be a Seasonic branded power supply.
There's a nice article linked below that describes the different brands and who really makes their different models:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html)
Actually the seasonic was my first choice, then I thought too much about it and reviews on NewEgg were all favorable for this one, so I decided to try it. The 80+ Gold sticker is suposed to be an upgrade from this manufacturer. It's bought now so...?
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Actually the seasonic was my first choice, then I thought too much about it and reviews on NewEgg were all favorable for this one, so I decided to try it. The 80+ Gold sticker is suposed to be an upgrade from this manufacturer. It's bought now so...?
It might work just fine for you. Just because it's a "house brand" doesn't necessarily mean it's junk.
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Actually the seasonic was my first choice, then I thought too much about it and reviews on NewEgg were all favorable for this one, so I decided to try it. The 80+ Gold sticker is suposed to be an upgrade from this manufacturer. It's bought now so...?
Rosewill isn't good. There I said it. Best of luck though.
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with the money you are spending get the 2500k sandy bridge just a few bucks more but you can oc like crazy. all others you wont be able to. the "k" are the only ones that are unlocked.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
it's 30 bucks more but you get more than our money's worth. if you dont know how to over clock, that mobo that you are buying all you have to do is push one button and it will oc to 4.2 for you. learn a little more and you can do 4.8 easily w/o breaking into a sweat.
also i may just upgrade the mobo from the p67 to another one from msi. and it will only add about another 40 bucks. but you get a mobo than maybe a little better than what you have. I have the msi p67-gd-65 and I love it and when i bought it it was one of the best mobo's even better than some that cost 100 bucks more but now I wish i had an upgraded mobo. as the p67 is "last year's model" :).
semp
semp
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With that Fermi NVidia card, you really need to pump that power supply up to 750W, or so. Also consider a better quality supply. Why risk a nice system to a cheap power supply? Rosewill is not hit and miss. If it does not give you grief instantly, it will in about 3 to 6 months. When (not if) it goes, it will take out most of your computer components.
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With that Fermi NVidia card, you really need to pump that power supply up to 750W, or so. Also consider a better quality supply. Why risk a nice system to a cheap power supply? Rosewill is not hit and miss. If it does not give you grief instantly, it will in about 3 to 6 months. When (not if) it goes, it will take out most of your computer components.
Oh Crap! Next time I'll come on here and ask for opinions before I push "Buy". :rolleyes: Wish me luck! :salute
PS what about these reviews...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182071 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182071) :frown:
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Return the power supply, even if it costs you a 15% restocking fee, it is still cheaper than replacing other components later.
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my next build will be submerged.
you should look into it.
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Oh Crap! Next time I'll come on here and ask for opinions before I push "Buy". :rolleyes: Wish me luck! :salute
PS what about these reviews...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182071 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182071) :frown:
Again........................ .................STAY AWAY FROM ROSEWILL FROM POWER SUPPLIES.
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PS what about these reviews...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182071 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182071) :frown:
There are only nine reviews. And even though all of them are five stars, the first review was posted late January which means this power supply has only been selling for a couple of months. There is no possibly way any of those reviews can reflect the longevity of the product. Sure it may work just fine at first but it's very common for lesser quality power supplies to fail just several months into their life.
I'm especially concerned about the one review that gave it five stars despite having to use only two screws to hold in in place due to two of the screw holes not being properly threaded. If they can't even get the housing right then what can be said about the internals?
But...as I said before.. who knows? This may actually be a very good product. Given the Rosewill reputation I really doubt it but anything is possible. The simple fact is there is just not enough data to make the determination as to the longevity of this product so it really is hit or miss.
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No, it is not a good product. Rosewill uses the cheapest capacitors they can. They even use old analog square wave filters for the switching duty, which drift with the temperature of the supply.
It has been a while since I have seen power that dirty, coming from a switching power supply.
You get what you pay for in power supplies.
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Done & running. Great performance 10 years warranty on the PSU...I know, I hear you... :salute
(https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2779717696394&set=a.1012687641747.2001945.1361703883&type=1)
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No, it is not a good product. Rosewill uses the cheapest capacitors they can. They even use old analog square wave filters for the switching duty, which drift with the temperature of the supply.
It has been a while since I have seen power that dirty, coming from a switching power supply.
You get what you pay for in power supplies.
With ham radios if the switching power supply is having issues, it's obvious w/ noise and power fluctuations and transmitting problems, I suppose by the time I see anything going wrong...POOF! :uhoh
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Is PC Power & Cooling still making good power supplies? I know they shut down operations a few years ago and then they seemed to resurface.
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Is PC Power & Cooling still making good power supplies? I know they shut down operations a few years ago and then they seemed to resurface.
OCZ bought them, but they ARE NOT the same quality.
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Bummer! Got one of the last few made by the original company. Great power supply.
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Original PC Power & Cooling supplies were probably the best power supplies ever produced for the PC. OCZ bought them and then killed them.
High end Seasonic supplies are good supplies. Well made with excellent components.
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what about thermaltake? that is what i use right now, dont know much about PSUs
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what about thermaltake? that is what i use right now, dont know much about PSUs
High end Thermaltake supplies are made by Seasonic. It is funny. If you scrape the paint off of Corsair and Thermaltake supplies you cannot tell the difference. Even the PCB has the same nomenclature. Seasonic makes both.
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Here's an article over at Tom's Hardware that includes a chart where you can find out who OEM'd your PSU:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html)
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My only concern is the Rosewill power supply. I've had too many issues with power supplies to buy anything that wasn't made by Seasonic. I've used Seasonic built power supplies in about 15 systems I've used or built for other people and have never once had a problem with them. I've also fixed several systems that were behaving "flaky" by installing a Seasonic power supply. My G/F's system would randomly crash and give her a BSOD. I replaced her 650 Watt generic power supply with a 620 Watt Corsair (made by Seasonic) and it's been trouble free ever since!
Spend a few bucks more as this is the lifeline of your system.
Keep in mind that many power supplies of different brands are made by Seasonic.. it doesn't necessarily have to be a Seasonic branded power supply.
There's a nice article linked below that describes the different brands and who really makes their different models:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html)
You mean the same article I linked to above? ;)
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Here's an article over at Tom's Hardware that includes a chart where you can find out who OEM'd your PSU:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supply-oem-manufacturer,2913.html)
Careful. That article is over a year old and in the world of power supplies that can be a lifetime. OEM suppliers can change monthly. The low end companies, such as Rosewill, will bid out the power supply build once a quarter. Whoever is cheaper, wins.
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Careful. That article is over a year old and in the world of power supplies that can be a lifetime. OEM suppliers can change monthly. The low end companies, such as Rosewill, will bid out the power supply build once a quarter. Whoever is cheaper, wins.
That may be true but usually this comes in the form of a different model number (or designation). That article also explains how to look things up by their UL number.
Yes it may not be perfect and because of its age it may not be 100% accurate but it's in my opinion one of the best articles to refer to for researching this sort of thing. The only other option is really to take the unit apart and compare components yourself.
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Yes it may not be perfect and because of its age it may not be 100% accurate but it's in my opinion one of the best articles to refer to for researching this sort of thing. The only other option is really to take the unit apart and compare components yourself.
When I get a new supply out of the box, I rip it open to check the quality. I could care less about the warranty. When most things in a computre fail they seldom take the entire computer with it. Power supplies, on the other hand, usually take some other major component with them.
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Careful. That article is over a year old and in the world of power supplies that can be a lifetime. OEM suppliers can change monthly. The low end companies, such as Rosewill, will bid out the power supply build once a quarter. Whoever is cheaper, wins.
Who makes the best power supplies today?
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Who makes the best power supplies today?
In my opinion, Seasonic's high end supplies are about as good as they get. The are not many companies which make power supplies anymore.
Seasonic is the only company, I am aware of, that makes its own retail supplies.
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In my opinion, Seasonic's high end supplies are about as good as they get. The are not many companies which make power supplies anymore.
Seasonic is the only company, I am aware of, that makes its own retail supplies.
Thank you.
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:furious You said it Skuzzy POOF! 1 week, back on the celeron compaq for now. :rolleyes: It was already bought or I would have bought a seasonic. The power supply won't even come on, no fan nadda zilch/
SeaSonic X-1250 1250W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply on it's way...good thing I had the scratch. :old: :(
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:furious You said it Skuzzy POOF! 1 week, back on the celeron compaq for now. :rolleyes: It was already bought or I would have bought a seasonic. The power supply won't even come on, no fan nadda zilch/
SeaSonic X-1250 1250W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply on it's way...good thing I had the scratch. :old: :(
I hope it did not take out anything else with it. They usually do.
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tough learning curve :cry
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Whats the skinny on the Silverstone strider ST1500 ? Good, bad ,overhyped??
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=226
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1500W and just an 80+ silver certification?
For these Super High End PSUs I expect at least a gold certificate. What do you need such a monster for - quad CPU and quad VGA system ?
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1500W and just an 80+ silver certification?
For these Super High End PSUs I expect at least a gold certificate. What do you need such a monster for - quad CPU and quad VGA system ?
I am getting a funny feeling and two names come to mind immediately.
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1500W and just an 80+ silver certification?
For these Super High End PSUs I expect at least a gold certificate. What do you need such a monster for - quad CPU and quad VGA system ?
More power.. :D Just wondering how it compared to the Seasonic's high end supplies as Skuzzy recommended.
to what you asked about,I'm going to use:
Intel® Core™ i7-3960X Processor Extreme Edition
Processor Number
i7-3960X
# of Cores
6
# of Threads
12
Clock Speed
3.3 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency
3.9 GHz
Intel® Smart Cache
15 MB
Bus/Core Ratio
57
DMI
5 GT/s
Instruction Set
64-bit
Instruction Set Extensions
SSE4.2, AVX
Embedded Options Available
No
Lithography
32nm
Max TDP
130 W
VID Voltage Range
0.6V-1.35V
Grfx cards will be,
Two- EVGA 02G-P4-2680-KR GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
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More power.. :D Just wondering how it compared to the Seasonic's high end supplies as Skuzzy recommended.
to what you asked about,I'm going to use:
Intel® Core™ i7-3960X Processor Extreme Edition
Processor Number
i7-3960X
# of Cores
6
# of Threads
12
Clock Speed
3.3 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency
3.9 GHz
Intel® Smart Cache
15 MB
Bus/Core Ratio
57
DMI
5 GT/s
Instruction Set
64-bit
Instruction Set Extensions
SSE4.2, AVX
Embedded Options Available
No
Lithography
32nm
Max TDP
130 W
VID Voltage Range
0.6V-1.35V
Grfx cards will be,
Two- EVGA 02G-P4-2680-KR GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
So that PSU is a clear overkill.
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Typical power consumption of the GTX 680 under 3D-load is ~180W, with synthetic programs it may be 200W or slightly above but that's nothing achievable during standard gaming.
Even a 750/800W PSU would be some Overkill but should have enough reserves if you want to overclock a lot.
Just get a good brand PSU with minimum 80% silver although gold should be more common in this wattage region.
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More power.. :D Just wondering how it compared to the Seasonic's high end supplies as Skuzzy recommended.
to what you asked about,I'm going to use:
Intel® Core™ i7-3960X Processor Extreme Edition
Grfx cards will be,
Two- EVGA 02G-P4-2680-KR GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Nice budget build :aok
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Typical power consumption of the GTX 680 under 3D-load is ~180W, with synthetic programs it may be 200W or slightly above but that's nothing achievable during standard gaming.
Even a 750/800W PSU would be some Overkill but should have enough reserves if you want to overclock a lot.
Just get a good brand PSU with minimum 80% silver although gold should be more common in this wattage region.
Its not to much more $ for the 1500watt so I'd rather have the reserve of a 1200 or 1500 PSU and be set for down the road when I add more cards . Just need to decide what brand..
I read this also.... http://www.silverstonetek.com/techtalk_cont.php?tid=wh10_005&area=usa
Considering the source (Silverstone) Ill need to cross reference the info they are providing in the sales pitch.
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cant think straight right now, flu is killing me, but google why having too big a power supply for what you need is bad for your system. you should be surprised.
semp
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Get better soon.
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Seasonic 1250Watt PSU and nothing else gone. :aok Some critical files were missing...? maybe the crash did it? Anyway....back on & fast!!! :salute :banana:
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Seasonic 1250Watt PSU and nothing else gone. :aok Some critical files were missing...? maybe the crash did it? Anyway....back on & fast!!! :salute :banana:
holy overkill on the PSU. :lol Glad it didn't take out any components with it :aok
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holy overkill on the PSU. :lol Glad it didn't take out any components with it :aok
Yes, but now no where to go but up! Talk about expandable. 3 more optic drive bays, 5 more hard drive bays, room for 3 more fans on top of 6 running now, water cooling, or....& I'm sure I'm not hurting that PSU any....hehehe. :banana: