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Title: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: _RaVeN_ on March 31, 2012, 09:22:33 PM
I know i know 2 weeks right. well I'd like to hear what HiTech or skuzzy has to say about them. They in testing? Model still being layed out/designed? Or is the whole thing being scrapped?

Would be nice for the community to have a monthly or quarterly status of what HiTech HQ is doing to improve gameplay / add things to the game behind the scenes.. Just a quick update gives many old and new players a like something extra to stick around for

just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: JOACH1M on March 31, 2012, 09:29:57 PM
Yak3? When's once when?
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: The Fugitive on March 31, 2012, 10:14:30 PM
I know i know 2 weeks right. well I'd like to hear what HiTech or skuzzy has to say about them. They in testing? Model still being layed out/designed? Or is the whole thing being scrapped?

Would be nice for the community to have a monthly or quarterly status of what HiTech HQ is doing to improve gameplay / add things to the game behind the scenes.. Just a quick update gives many old and new players a like something extra to stick around for

just my 2 cents

Then why ask?

You'll know they are close when they release screen shots. Until then you just wait.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Mitsu. on March 31, 2012, 11:17:11 PM





Please report Ki-43 status too!

 :D
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: GNucks on March 31, 2012, 11:29:47 PM
You guys missed the screenshots on the homepage?
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: fuzeman on March 31, 2012, 11:38:58 PM
If they ever did give something like that out to us, imagine the complaints and whines when they don't do what they say to the letter and release it to the exact second they said they would.
And, you want them working on the game or wasting time updating us?
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Karnak on April 01, 2012, 08:23:05 AM
Screen shots will come when they come.  Probably soonish.

That is for the Me410 though.

How does the Yak-3 factor in?  It lost the vote.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: icepac on April 01, 2012, 08:48:09 AM
We already have the yak3.........it's called the yak9.

Just throttle back when you reach 340mph.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: _RaVeN_ on April 01, 2012, 04:03:47 PM
We already have the yak3.........it's called the yak9.

Just throttle back when you reach 340mph.

Ice u mistake what the yak3 is. The yak3 was a later version of the yak than the 9 was dont let the numbers confuse you. The yak3 had a larger engin with a higher top speed below 5000meters and was more agile.

 and to the person that said the yak3 lost the vote... i realize this but it was second and they have added first and second place votes before in the past so just hoping they do the same thing again this time.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Karnak on April 01, 2012, 04:11:58 PM
Ice u mistake what the yak3 is. The yak3 was a later version of the yak than the 9 was dont let the numbers confuse you. The yak3 had a larger engin with a higher top speed below 5000meters and was more agile.

 and to the person that said the yak3 lost the vote... i realize this but it was second and they have added first and second place votes before in the past so just hoping they do the same thing again this time.
Partly correct, partly false.

The Yak-9U has a more powerful engine and the Yak-3 is not a later version.  It was a different line.

               -> Yak-7 -> Yak-9
Yak-1 <
               -> Yak-3

The Yak 9 is a development of the Yak-7, which was a development of the Yak-1.  The Yak-3 was a development of the Yak-1 that was lightened to get the most out of its engine.  The Yak-9U has a ~1500hp VK107 engine, the wartime Yak-3 has a ~1300hp VK105 engine, a version of the engine in the Yak-9T.  Due to better streamlining and lower weight it is much faster than the Yak-9T and it climbs better than even the Yak-9U, but it is slower than the Yak-9U as well.  The post way Yak-3 with the VK107 engine had much better performance, but it missed the war.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Tank-Ace on April 01, 2012, 04:20:31 PM
The B-29 took about 6 months for them to make. Assuming they started from about the same place on each, I expect we'll be seeing the Me 410 in a couple of months at most, unless they hit a major snag.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Karnak on April 01, 2012, 04:50:04 PM
I recall the B-29 taking 3-4 months and it was a larger airplane.  It seemed there was less in the queue ahead of it though.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: _RaVeN_ on April 01, 2012, 04:57:05 PM
Partly correct, partly false.

The Yak-9U has a more powerful engine and the Yak-3 is not a later version.  It was a different line.

               -> Yak-7 -> Yak-9
Yak-1 <
               -> Yak-3

The Yak 9 is a development of the Yak-7, which was a development of the Yak-1.  The Yak-3 was a development of the Yak-1 that was lightened to get the most out of its engine.  The Yak-9U has a ~1500hp VK107 engine, the wartime Yak-3 has a ~1300hp VK105 engine, a version of the engine in the Yak-9T.  Due to better streamlining and lower weight it is much faster than the Yak-9T and it climbs better than even the Yak-9U, but it is slower than the Yak-9U as well.  The post way Yak-3 with the VK107 engine had much better performance, but it missed the war.

Correct, I was talkin with squadies and they brought that to my attention as well but it still is a fact that the yak3 had a better turn rate than the 9 did at low alt due to the lighter and smaller airframe however it was 20-40knots slower than the yak9... a good comparision is really the spit5 vs spit 8 or 9
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: ozrocker on April 01, 2012, 05:02:05 PM
Do I really have to say it?
Ok........ 2 weeks of course :aok




                                                                                                                                    :cheers: Oz
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Butcher on April 01, 2012, 05:12:22 PM
Correct, I was talkin with squadies and they brought that to my attention as well but it still is a fact that the yak3 had a better turn rate than the 9 did at low alt due to the lighter and smaller airframe however it was 20-40knots slower than the yak9... a good comparision is really the spit5 vs spit 8 or 9

So basically nothing to far differ then the Yak-9 overall except throttle back a tab and since its the same gun package you basically have a Yak-3.






Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Karnak on April 01, 2012, 05:54:43 PM
So basically nothing to far differ then the Yak-9 overall except throttle back a tab and since its the same gun package you basically have a Yak-3.
Yak-3 would be more agile than the Yak-9 and it would have a far, far higher acceleration than a throttled back Yak-9U.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Tank-Ace on April 01, 2012, 06:07:05 PM
Basicly it would be just a slightly peppier yak-9. Probably something on the order of the 190A-8 (Yak-9) compared to the A5 (Yak-3).

Infact, thats actually a pretty good comparison, since the A5 is faster at low alt as well.


And Karnak, they announced the B-29 in mid-late January(?), and it was released sometime around june. Thats around 5-6 months.

Granted the B-29 probably had less things infront of it on the list, but they also made it sound as if they were starting almost from scratch ("we are starting work on the B-29"). It was also larger, as you said. But with the Me-410, they just asked us what we wanted next. This could mean they had no work on it done, a decent start, or nothing at all. However its smaller, and closer to the Bf-110. However (if they want to do it right), they'll have to also develop the new Mk 103 30mm.

Probably about the same time, I would guess.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Daddkev on April 01, 2012, 06:30:21 PM
 :mad: :mad: :mad: 2 weeks!  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Butcher on April 01, 2012, 06:43:38 PM
Yak-3 would be more agile than the Yak-9 and it would have a far, far higher acceleration than a throttled back Yak-9U.

Exactly how much acceleration are getting? and less turn radius? I voted on the Yak-3 but I have a keen mind to vote for Ki-43
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Plazus on April 01, 2012, 07:24:11 PM
AH community voted Me410 and HTC delivers the Storch. You all got trolled. Deal with it.

 :D
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Karnak on April 01, 2012, 07:37:34 PM
And Karnak, they announced the B-29 in mid-late January(?), and it was released sometime around june. Thats around 5-6 months.
The B-29 was announced as the winner of the poll on 11/10/2010 and version 2.23 with the B-29 was released on 2/22/2011, per the front page.  Three months, twelve days.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: titanic3 on April 01, 2012, 10:21:16 PM
MK103, MK103, MK103, MK103!!!! :pray

Must...make...planes...eat... taters...at...D800... :x :banana:
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Slash27 on April 02, 2012, 05:04:32 AM
Exactly how much acceleration are getting? and less turn radius? I voted on the Yak-3 but I have a keen mind to vote for Ki-43
Why not have both? I don't get down playing the Yak-3 as just another variant. Should we just have a 109K and throttle back when we feel like flying a F?
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Wmaker on April 02, 2012, 10:14:29 AM
Basicly it would be just a slightly peppier yak-9. Probably something on the order of the 190A-8 (Yak-9) compared to the A5 (Yak-3).

Infact, thats actually a pretty good comparison, since the A5 is faster at low alt as well.

A-8 is faster than A-5 on the deck, as is the Yak-9U compared to the wartime Yak-3.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Tank-Ace on April 02, 2012, 09:44:41 PM
A-8 is faster than A-5 on the deck, as is the Yak-9U compared to the wartime Yak-3.


I said low alt, not on the deck. At only 5K, the 190A-5 starts pushing 375mph, which puts it among the fastest aircraft at that altitude. IIRC, the A8 is pushing 357mph at 5k (too lazy to check the charts).
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Wmaker on April 03, 2012, 12:05:21 AM

I said low alt, not on the deck.

Heh, low alt doesn't get much lower than sea level...
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Tank-Ace on April 03, 2012, 12:09:21 AM
No, but I can reach 5k in a matter of seconds, and I'll retain more energy after reaching 5k than the A8 has. Asside from that little band of altitude thats not even fully 4000ft high, the A5 is faster than the A8 at low altitude.


Sorry, but A5 = Yak-3, A8 = Yak-9.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Noir on April 03, 2012, 05:37:23 AM
The Yak3 and 9 are more different than you may think, they did not evolve from a common branch. The Yak1/3 are the lightweight series, the Yak7/9 the heavyweight series.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: _RaVeN_ on April 03, 2012, 06:08:15 AM
The Yak3 and 9 are more different than you may think, they did not evolve from a common branch. The Yak1/3 are the lightweight series, the Yak7/9 the heavyweight series.

this is correct also the yak1/3 were designed as short range interceptors / air superiority fighters the yak9 was implimented because of Stalins desire for a more long range fighter that could fill many roles. This is why there were many different versions of the yak9 some are fighter bombers some pure fighters, night fighters, recon, and I believe they even attempted a full bomber version that carried internal bombs.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: R 105 on April 03, 2012, 08:10:28 AM
 I only started flying the Yak9U a few weeks ago. I find it will  accelerate very fast and turns pretty good. It has too speeds fast and real fast but the gun package ain't much and you need to be very close to hit stuff with it. Any 109 has better guns than the Yak9U but I by far like flying the yak better and I an looking forward to the Yak3 in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Butcher on April 03, 2012, 08:28:09 AM
The Yak3 and 9 are more different than you may think, they did not evolve from a common branch. The Yak1/3 are the lightweight series, the Yak7/9 the heavyweight series.

blah I would love to fly the Yak more, just the gun package I am lucky to get 2-3 kills plus a Ju87 here and there.

Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: _RaVeN_ on April 03, 2012, 11:52:55 PM
BUMP because this thread is more fun an interesting than the "Look at the Vtards" post. To each their own if Vtards wanna fight 30 vs 2 get 2 kills and cap a base.. its their choice however poor it is.

So back to the Yak3 another great addition would be a Ki-44-ia Tojo 4 20mms never hurt anyone (much)
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Butcher on April 04, 2012, 08:28:45 AM
BUMP because this thread is more fun an interesting than the "Look at the Vtards" post. To each their own if Vtards wanna fight 30 vs 2 get 2 kills and cap a base.. its their choice however poor it is.

So back to the Yak3 another great addition would be a Ki-44-ia Tojo 4 20mms never hurt anyone (much)

The only Ki-44 that carried 4x 20mm cannons was the Ki-44-IIIa and only 3 were created.

Another prototype had 4x 40mm for B-29 intercepting, only 2 created.

However the Ki-44-IIc had 2x 12.7mm and 2x 20mm and over 400 created.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Noir on April 16, 2012, 11:50:36 AM
when ???  :O :noid :D
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Karnak on April 16, 2012, 12:26:21 PM
The only Ki-44 that carried 4x 20mm cannons was the Ki-44-IIIa and only 3 were created.

Another prototype had 4x 40mm for B-29 intercepting, only 2 created.

However the Ki-44-IIc had 2x 12.7mm and 2x 20mm and over 400 created.

The Ki-44-IIa and IIb both had four 12.7mm guns, and that is quite usable.  One version of the Ki-44-II had two 40mm recoilless rifles, but the muzzle velocity on them was very low.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Alky on April 16, 2012, 12:26:47 PM
when ???  :O :noid :D
Two more weeks   :noid
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Peyton on April 16, 2012, 02:01:15 PM
The B-29 was announced as the winner of the poll on 11/10/2010 and version 2.23 with the B-29 was released on 2/22/2011, per the front page.  Three months, twelve days.



If this is the case and using the plane length philosophy on page 1 then we can identify a feet per day production number (ft. / # of days = ft. per day) and put that into a basic equation to determine the due date of the 410.

Here goes:
The B-29 is 99ft long and was completed by AH in 3 months and twelve days. (Using Karnack’s beginning and completion date above)
So take 99 feet / 3 months and 12 days (104 days) = .95 feet per day or 11.4 inches per day
So now we know that AH can make a plane at .95 ft. per day.

Now let's apply this theory to the 410 production.
The Me410 is 41.2 ft. in length.  So take 41.2 ft. / .95 ft. per day = 43.36 days or 1 month and 12.4 days.

Someone here knows when the poll ended and the 410 was announced that it would go into production. So take the beginning date and add or count off 43 days. That is when the 410 will be finished.....unless 30 more patches for trackir get in the way.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Spikes on April 16, 2012, 02:10:17 PM
No, but I can reach 5k in a matter of seconds, and I'll retain more energy after reaching 5k than the A8 has. Asside from that little band of altitude thats not even fully 4000ft high, the A5 is faster than the A8 at low altitude.


Sorry, but A5 = Yak-3, A8 = Yak-9.
Equal? No. Maybe directly proportional.
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: Daddkev on April 16, 2012, 05:00:13 PM
 :noid :noid :noid :huh :huh :huh This thread again?  :noid :noid :noid +1
Title: Re: Me410 / Yak-3 status?
Post by: SWkiljoy on April 16, 2012, 06:42:44 PM
Ships are changing course it seems  :eek: